Advance cam timing = rough idle?

[Qwooootz]

ive done a search already on advance cam timing, cant really understand what people were talking about on the thread, but anyways simple question has anyone got a Civic VTIR advance cam timing by robert from hannys performance, and experience that their car idles quite weird now? ive done mine a year ago, and ive heard it b4 but thought it was normal as some people said, yet recently talked to someone else and said it shouldnt idle like that, hrmm how do i know if anythings wrong or not, car still runs fine,! but hrmm maby i should just take it to hannys?

[bennjamin]

so you DID get Robert to do that DIY trick ( advance inlet cam 3 degrees , exhust 3 degrees + add alittle fuel pressure) ??? If you did, then its normal for the mod done for the idle to be alittle bit lumpier. IF you are ever worried just take it back - i knwo a of coupel of cars with this mod and no problems so far ( just a tiny bit more fuel used really) .

[.::F[L]Y::.]

when i had my civic coupe (EM1) i was told that it had the advanced cam timing done by hanny's. The car seemed to idle fine though i dunno what the fusss was all about. Although when some ppl came to inspect the car when they wanted to buy it some complained they wernt happy with the way it idled? Also in light of what Bennjamin said being it uses more fuel all i noticed is that the car runs richer?

[wynode]

You need to adjust the idle air bypass to allow a bit more air on idle. This is a common thing that has to be done after the 'hanny's treatment.

Its a little screw on the IM near the throttle body.

[Astro]

apart from the idle...anyone that have done a "Hanny Special" camgear adjustment notice any power gains???

also what is the cost?

[bennjamin]

ask Joneblaze or Luzinit on this forum....a GSI/b18b and a ek4 vtir owner have had it done with mixed results.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

apart from the idle...anyone that have done a "Hanny Special" camgear adjustment notice any power gains???

also what is the cost?

i duno if i would actually call it a gain in power but was told that there is more power throughout the rev range? as the b16a engine is pretty poor below 5k rpm the adjustments jus make power more even throughout....but then again i could be told wrong.

[Astro]

so did u do this to your car John??? maybe my car as been done by the way it goes now!!!

[Qwooootz]

Y::.']i duno if i would actually call it a gain in power but was told that there is more power throughout the rev range? as the b16a engine is pretty poor below 5k rpm the adjustments jus make power more even throughout....but then again i could be told wrong.

THANKS heaps guys,, few* :rolleyes:

anyways i havent dynoed the car yet so im not sure if there was any power gain but as fly said about the extra power thru the rev range.. i did noticed that, espeically comming out of the toll gates on the M4 hee hee..!
and not sure how much he charges people now but it cost me 170 i thinks i cant really remember it was 1 year and half ago! soemwhere between 150-170 but if your close to him or do services with him i heard soemtimes hed do it way cheaper and even for free

[alphabeatsco]

is this advanced timing thing suppose to gain power?
i heard from a professiona before...many civic owners advance their timing...
by turning that spark plug thing...and changing the spark plugs to a higher rate..then it'll give yu a little extra power, but i dunno how it's done...

[sivic]

they are talking about cam timing, not ignition timing.

[ah8118]

hehehe.. ooppsss.. looks like someone got lost somewhere along the way...

[alphabeatsco]

hm..sorry ...
so how to do ignition timing?
is it possible to do by myself?

[sivic]

you CAN do it yourself but its better to get someone with experience to do it. then learn from them. its just you dont want to advance the timing too much or you will get detonation (pinging):(

to adjust ignition - rotate the distributer towards (i think:confused: ) the firewall to advance and the other way to retard. the more you advance the timing the higher the revs will be on idle. however, its not recommended to advance anymore than 4 degrees. thats why you really want someone with a timing light and experience. you also want to take the car for a drive to put it under load to make sure its not pinging

[bennjamin]

hm..sorry ...
so how to do ignition timing?
is it possible to do by myself?

yes. Loosen the 3 bolts that hold your dizzy onto the cam guide...and advance or retard to suit....you should do this inconjunction with a timing light too.

[alphabeatsco]

is there an online guide somewhere...how to do it...

[bennjamin]

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=2/79DIZZY-med.jpg

[edw-R]

Good job!! I think i will try adv my timing 2+ degree.

[alphabeatsco]

so wat exactly needs to be adjusted? just the distributor?
wat about tuning? or changing spark plugs?
is there a more detailed DIY guide?
thanks

[sivic]

thats all that needs to be done. its a very basic level of tuning. plugs dont need to be changed unless they are fouled etc.

prob a good idea to use only 98 octane fuel when advancing timing beyond stock parameters to help ward off detonation

[alphabeatsco]

abnyone had any experiences on da EK?

[tegstar83]

and how do they do cam timing advances?/
do they also advance the ignition as well at the same time when they do this?

[wynode]

Guys this thread is to do with Cam Timing.......NOT ignition timing.

As for the cam timing gaining your power.......it's more to do with a shift in the power band than actually gaining power.

I don't recommend doing it yourself if you dont' even know the difference between cam/ignition timing.

[tegstar83]

Read the question as I was mearly asking how they do it and if they do one do they do the other. Sheesz

[wynode]

Read the question as I was mearly asking how they do it and if they do one do they do the other. Sheesz
My comment was directed at the first person who started talking about ignition timing by adjusting the dizzy..........not you!......sheesh! :p

[tegstar83]

HAHA yeah just no quote so I didnt know :o

[BlitZ]

its moves your power band...
robert loves drivability therefore he lowers your peak power..
you loose top end gain mid range..

i feel that butt wise anyways... and the concept seems right