First Pics - Prototype Intake

[Jus-10]

Well after some more/final testing today I can bring to you the first pic of the intake Adrian has been painstakingly working on......

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=518/1083Intake_Testing.jpg

This is still the prototype and the propper one still needs to be finished off.

We did a back-to-back run against the OEM box (the car remained strapped to the dyno the whole time to get figures as comparable as possible) and we saw an increase of a bit over 5% at the wheels. OK so it was only about 4kw or thereabouts, but it's not half bad for what will be a simple bolt-on mod.

A fair amount of dno time went in to getting the length spot-on. It's amazing how much difference 1" in length made.

For all those worried about pods making you lose your low-end...fear not. This setup does not lose out anywhere in the rev range.....

I will post up dyno readings once the final product is ready.....

J

[Philip Lee]

umm looks good.

does it make a different sound as well??

it looks like a pain in the axx to service the filter tho.

[Jus-10]

Sound is good...probably a bit louder than the A'pexi...

It's not that hard to get at the filter...the front bar pops off in like 2 minutes! Plus how often do you need to get at the filter? We went for maximum gains and because the filter is enclosed you shouldn't get hassled by the cops and you get a nice cold air feed.

[JazzR]

looks really good.
decent power gains aswell.

[TypeG]

look good and good power this time
what brand is the filter? TODA?
however, is there any other position can feel more cold air?

[Jus-10]

That filter was just something being used for the dyno testing. The actual filter used will be different, though it hasn't been confirmed what type yet. It all comes down to cost so that the overall kit can be viable and competitive....

Gasper, not sure what you mean by "is there any other position can feel more cold air?" It's not going to get much colder than in the wheel well as it is virtually cut off from the engine bay, and it receives cold air via the factory duct in the front bar.....

I had previously looked at getting an enclosure made for in the engine bay, but the size of the engine bay is very restrictive and unless you go something like the ultra expensive carbon fiber Gruppe M I can't see much else working in there (I'm talking fully enclosed options)...

It all comes down to the length of the pipe too. It wasn't just a "make the pipe to go into the wheel well and see how it goes" type effort. With an extra inch in length, that setup makes virtually the same power as the factory box!

[GD1 Jazz]

Thats great stuff Jus. :thumbsup: Btw, whats the diameter of the pipe? 2 1/2 ?? Sure feels great with the Apexi pod!

[Zimp13]

buy buy buy!!!!!!! gagagagag

[JazzR]

Sorry for being off topic but does anyone know what power gains the Gruppe M can make??

[^CarBoy^]

Jus-10: is that your Jazz outside RUF Performance? I just work at the building next to RUF.... I was wondering what that white Jazz is getting done.. hehhehehehe :)

[wynode]

Interesting.......and 4kW atw is quite a gain IMO just for an intake mod

[muli]

how long is that pipe? it would cost a fair bit for whole kit? $450?

[Jus-10]

CarBoy - Yep that was me!

JazzR - Haven't seen any specific details on the Gruppe M. One thing is for sure though, it will leave you with a very light wallet - they are about $800-900! On DC5Rs the Injen intake (similar concept to that used on my car) makes more power than the Gruppe M.

Muli - I'm not 100% sure on the final length as there was still some cutting and trimming being done today to get the length spot-on - the production model still has to be made up. As for price, that hasn't been confirmed yet as there is still some decisions to be made regarding the filter to be used. As far as I am aware, all attempts are being made to make the kit competitive with the A'pexi unit (price wise).

This will be a 100% bolt-on kit though.

[TypeG]

$450?
errrrrrrrr not for a custom kit.
but 4kw is a good result

My meaning is are there any space which can felt more cold air for more better result.
but overall it is good work after many dyno and pipes in different lengh done.

[Jus-10]

This won't be/isn't a "custom kit". It will be a buy it off the shelf kit. It is only "custom" at this stage because the kit is being developed as all off the shelf kits would start out.

I don't think there is any place cooler....as mentioned, the filter is shielded outside the engine bay and receives direct air flow from outside the car. You can't get any cooler than that. Did you have any any other thoughts on it? You need to be creative with the limted space we have!

Here are a couple more pics from today:

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=518/1083Intake_Testing2.jpg

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=518/1083Intake_Testing2_001.jpg

[Vti-S JAZZ]

great work, as i am in the market for a filter and pipe i will be interested.....

i have been waiting some time to see this

ohhh and if you "want" to send one to me to "try" and report back in ohhh lets say a yr :) i will be glad to help you out hehehe... i'll even pay the freight :) lol

[TypeG]

i have a question tho
air direct into the filter...
so will water get into it?

[GD1 Jazz]

This won't be/isn't a "custom kit". It will be a buy it off the shelf kit. It is only "custom" at this stage because the kit is being developed as all off the shelf kits would start out.

I don't think there is any place cooler....as mentioned, the filter is shielded outside the engine bay and receives direct air flow from outside the car. You can't get any cooler than that. Did you have any any other thoughts on it? You need to be creative with the limted space we have!

Here are a couple more pics from today:

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=518/1083Intake_Testing2.jpg

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=518/1083Intake_Testing2_001.jpg

Hey Jus,

Are u selling these things? They looked perfect and damm good. I`ve just got myself an Apexi cone with a customised rubber big belly elbow, but the engine bay heat is too much for it for local temperature, think that your solution is most convincing and neat for its space constrain, and best using by Apexi pod. Issit possible to shipped it to Singapore without the filters( Apexi ) after U finished R&D it?? Hehehe.... :D :D :D

[Andys]

Looks great. I just would like to know about water intake, I doubt any water would get into the engine but is there a way to stop any water or condensation pooling at the lowest point of the pipe?

- Andrew

[TypeG]

not the engine bay but water into the filter

[GD1 Jazz]

Just my $0.02 cents,

If you carefully sealed up the intake area from bottom to sides and front with somekind of sponge material, and then DIY a ram air flex piping into the area for feeding some cool air from outside, think thats should be safe enough, thou not 100%. If in case encounter floods, definately have to turn back lah.. :D

[asiansquad]

Just my $0.02 cents,

If you carefully sealed up the intake area from bottom to sides and front with somekind of sponge material, and then DIY a ram air flex piping into the area for feeding some cool air from outside, think thats should be safe enough, thou not 100%. If in case encounter floods, definately have to turn back lah.. :D

Make a button in the car so when u press it, the pod moves to a different position so water can't get to it :D

[Zimp13]

Make a button in the car so when u press it, the pod moves to a different position so water can't get to it :D

yeah only for asiansquad man... heheh.. pop up the pod through ur head man.... hahahahah :D

[egSi]

justin mate,

1st thing, love ur jazz its so damn cool. :D

also

well done to you/adrian for the whole concept of a custom intake built here in oz, i hope it makes it to the aussie market, mad props y0!!

this jazz forum > civic forum

lol nice work, and awesome pics :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[TypeG]

Just my $0.02 cents,

If you carefully sealed up the intake area from bottom to sides and front with somekind of sponge material, and then DIY a ram air flex piping into the area for feeding some cool air from outside, think thats should be safe enough, thou not 100%. If in case encounter floods, definately have to turn back lah.. :D

good idea mate
coz my front bar is not OEM so it may not be as seal as the stock one. So seal the pod with a plastic box and have CAI pipe link to it will be good for long term maintainance

[GD1 Jazz]

justin mate,

1st thing, love ur jazz its so damn cool. :D

also

well done to you/adrian for the whole concept of a custom intake built here in oz, i hope it makes it to the aussie market, mad props y0!!

this jazz forum > civic forum

lol nice work, and awesome pics :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Hopefully in the southeast asia market where theres alot of jazzies too. Wish u a big SUCCESS!!!

[Jus-10]

Adrian is the one who deserves the credit. He (and Ruf) arer the ones that have been putting in the time to get things right.

GD1 Jazz - I don't see any reason why the intake couldn't be sent over to Asia. Obviously there is a much bigger market over there so I am assuming that would be something Adrian would be looking at.

As for the whole water in the filter thing, On a stock car it shouldn't present any problems. On a car like TypeG's that has a different front bar and the filter is overly exposed, it may be slightly different. Adrian would need to be the one to give a more correct answer in regards to that. On a car with a stock bumper, the filter is essentially sealed within the wheel well and has the cold air feed from the factory pickup in the front bar. The only way water will become a problem is if you are driving through a foot of water!

[Zimp13]

where is the factory pick up in the front bar anyway??? i have taken out the front bar before... is there any??? can u take the pic of ur car jus10.... i am just curious.... ur bar is out anyway.... thanx

[FIT]

first thing i wanna know is the price include installation :P after test is completed

[Jus-10]

zimp - here is a pic to show you where the factory air intake is (the red circle). Sorry I don't have any other pics of the setup as I have had it off my car for about a year now. Just have a look at your car next time and you should see it:

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=518/1083Pix2_053.JPG

FIT - price hasn't even been confimed yet, but I am guessing it WON'T include instalation. I don't know of any brands selling intakes with a "fully installed" price, though no doubt it can be arranged if you wish (it's not an overly difficult job - 30 minutes).

[Zimp13]

thanx jus10... i will check it out one day... heheheh

[egSi]

well in that case justin, congrats adiran and RUF but ur jazz is still mighty cool

and FIT wtf is ur av?? brings back scary memories LOL :D

[ZBob]

Looks good man! :cool:

[GD1 Jazz]

Hey Jus, hows the progress?? :wave:

[FB008]

some beautiful work taking place there jus-10... ur jazz sure looks sweet :) so jealous~

[GD1 Jazz]

some beautiful work taking place there jus-10... ur jazz sure looks sweet :) so jealous~

Yah loh...tho this kinda setup are common in the market, but this the first and only ones i`ve seen in a Jazzie manz :thumbsup: . In Singapore, some workshops done that also in the Jazzies & City`s, but uses flexible heat resistance hoses( cloth type mat`l with metal ring coils around it ) as a substitute for the alu pipe, some kinda freak innovations! :thumbdwn:

[muli]

Interesting.......and 4kW atw is quite a gain IMO just for an intake mod

i got same gains for my car, dyno gains were between 4-5kw

[Zimp13]

i got same gains for my car, dyno gains were between 4-5kw

BMC Air Filter with custom piping???? thats pretty good as well.... :thumbsup:

[Tony]

yep, Muli's setup is better than the Apexi power intake kit.


BMC Air Filter with custom piping???? thats pretty good as well.... :thumbsup:

[Zimp13]

but Muli's set up is just an ordinary set up rite???? pipe and pod filter... in wat way is this set up better than the Apex's power intake one????

[TODA AU]

This product will become a production item in approx 1 week...
If you have an opinion on the final finnish of this intake, please post your opinions in the Jazz intake poll.
Cheers

Adrian

Btw:
I'll give an indication of price closer to it's release date.
This product will be also available to customers outside Australia.

[Tony]

I have tried both and I rate muli's pod intake setup higher than my Apexi pod intake. I don't know what makes the difference as I only know very little about intake pipe design.


but Muli's set up is just an ordinary set up rite???? pipe and pod filter... in wat way is this set up better than the Apex's power intake one????

[bagaichiban]

Do u make the intake for Auto transmission Jazz too? Coz there are some small difference layout/position difference between Auto/Manual Jazz....

[TODA AU]

Do u make the intake for Auto transmission Jazz too? Coz there are some small difference layout/position difference between Auto/Manual Jazz....

We tried the intake on an auto Jazz, but it doesn't fit. (It fouls on the gearbox as you guessed)
Rather than attempt to make a universal intake, we'll make a dedicated auto version soon after the manual is released.

[TODA AU]

The 1st production run of the new Jazz CAI intake is now completed..
The production model will be available later this week. (Wednesday)
Hopefully Justin will post some pics when his is fitted. (Justin... Call me 0401869524)
They'll be available in the OZHonda Trader's section.
Once the 1st production model is fitted to Justin's car,
We can then finalise our desision on filter choice & tell everyone the finished price.

Components to be included in the kit:
1 x silicone hose / 2 x hose clamp / 1 x breather hose / 1 x bracket / 1 x bracket bolt / 1 x mandrel bent aluminium cold air intake pipe / 1 x K&N air filter / 1 x Fitting instructions.

[asiansquad]

how much would it cost roughly?

[TODA AU]

Ok, this is what you've been waiting for.
The price is $375.

Trade enquires welcome

[GD1 Jazz]

Any pics?? :D

[Jus-10]

I will get some pics tomorrow when I go out there

[GD1 Jazz]

Great! Thanks manz!! :wave:

[Zimp13]

$375?????????????? wow.... thats steep...........

[Jus-10]

Not compared with ARC or Gruppe M.

[Andys]

Not compared with ARC or Gruppe M.

That price, for 4kW at the wheel (in a car not endowed with huge power to begin with)... I say its worth it. Bring on the auto version please :) (need a donor car?)

- Andrew

[Tony]

I think the price is reasonable for 4kw gain on the wheel, too bad I've already got a Apexi Kit.

With regards to resale value, it's really hard to judge an aftermarket performance part that way. You buy the intake and you use it and get the enjoyment out of it.. To me, the value is in the enjoyment not in the intake itself.

[tonmasi]

Ok, this is what you've been waiting for.
The price is $375.

Trade enquires welcome

$375 shipped to anywhere in AU?

[Philip Lee]

err 4kw atw sounds not bad on a jazz but can we really feel the difference on the road...????

[muli]

I paid bit over $300, $100 for filter i think and bit over $200 for pipe work, steel would of been alot cheaper.on mine a bit over 4kw gain i think its well worth it for the money, plus it does make the engine sound so much better, actually dont think i could hear it before.


i dont think toda au's kits expensive

[bagaichiban]

Why K&N filter why.........:( i prefer apexi...

Also, i saw some magazine advertisment said, some brand called "SS Induction Big Mouth (http://www.ssinductions.com.au/about.htm)" they claim they have better airflow than K&N and BMC....at that point, i am hardly able to convinced though....

[Jus-10]

And you prefer A'pexi why exactly?

Are you after Jap brand names or dyno-proven performance gains? Oh you can't even see the filter once it is installed so no one will ever know what you have anyway. Bottom line is, the K&N works. To use an A'pexi filter will probably add atleast another $60-$80 to the price of the kit.....

[GD1 Jazz]

Why K&N filter why.........:( i prefer apexi...

Also, i saw some magazine advertisment said, some brand called "SS Induction Big Mouth (http://www.ssinductions.com.au/about.htm)" they claim they have better airflow than K&N and BMC....at that point, i am hardly able to convinced though....

K&N is not in my top list of filters also not due to performancegains issue but it`s dust filtration capabilities compared to the Apexi paper based filter, & my bottom line is you get a dirty engine very quickly, & that also means an unhealty engine, providing oil changed at intervals shortened by few thousands in KM.

I do also agree with Jus that u need to fork out additional $$ cos the Apexi needs an additional adaptor to couple it to the pipe line, which also means that u pay $4XX for it definately! Maybe should have options of filters for this genius induction kit so that customers will have various choices of filters for their needs.

BTW, how come still no product pictures yet, then how to buy??? :rolleyes:

[bagaichiban]

i would like to see the performance diff b/t K&N and Apexi on the same air intake though...heh.....even just minor, personally think its interesting to find out.

plus, really no why, just not really a fan of K&N~
Jap product is not just all about "brand name"~i think they are better in some aspects. Not all people are stupid just buying the brand. Well, of course, value wise, K&N might be really the one to pick. but i think Apexi is relatively cheap compare to rest of good Jap filter. (Don't even talk think brand like ARC~:P)

i agree with GD1 Jazz, since it's not a manufacturing product (i meant, not like Blitz or Apexi kit), it might make it more possible and add value to customers to have various choices.

i am not bitching this CAI here, in fact i really like it a lot, but just have some suggestions~:)

[TODA AU]

We chose the K&N air filter because it is the best air filter for this application.
In case you were not aware, a K&N air filter offers the following:

Washable and Reusable
Will NOT Void Vehicle Warranty
Lasts up to 80,000km before cleaning is required depending on driving conditions
10 Year / Million Mile Limited Warranty
High Air Flow with Excellent Filtration.
SAE J726 pass
Further, the filtration provided by a K&N air filter is nothing short of excellent.
K&N air filters are tested to deliver 97~98% efficiency - SAE J726
This is a testing procedure developed by the Society of Automotive Engineers identified as the SAE J726 procedure.
This test demonstrates the ability of an air filter to protect your engine.
In this test, the air filter is subjected to particles ranging in size from less than 5.5 microns to 176 microns.
Studies have shown most engine wear is caused by particles 10 to 20 microns in size.
K&N air filters, like most quality disposable air filters, provide excellent filtration of these particles.
The result of the above test procedure is a specific air filtration efficiency number.
This efficiency number represents the percentage of test dust retained by the filter and thereby kept out of an engine.
K&N air filters achieve maximum airflow while achieving an overall filtration efficiency of 97~ 98%.

Regarding the Jazz CAI
We have developed an intake system that is tested & proven to work.
Further it is priced fairly too.
An alternative to the K&N air filter selected will not be offered or discussed.

If you think filter comparison testing etc would be interesting...
You're welcome to purchase an intake and go for your life.
Or if you or your mate, think you know better...
By all means, develop your own CAI.

[Chris_F]

thats a fair post... these guys know what their talking about, trust em.

[Jazzle]

so is it that the kit includes everything u need for the CAI mode?? so nothing else needed??

and can i just get Toda to install the parts for me if i want one?? and how much would it be in total??

[wynode]

Why K&N filter why.........:( i prefer apexi...

Also, i saw some magazine advertisment said, some brand called "SS Induction Big Mouth (http://www.ssinductions.com.au/about.htm)" they claim they have better airflow than K&N and BMC....at that point, i am hardly able to convinced though....
So much speculation.

Wheras here you have a product designed from scratch and proven to work. Beats me why you would want to spend your money on something else that hasn't been proven.

[OptionEngineering]

k&N will be good enough for street use
all pods work the same

[TODA AU]

so is it that the kit includes everything u need for the CAI mode?? so nothing else needed??

and can i just get Toda to install the parts for me if i want one?? and how much would it be in total??

That is correct. All parts required are included except for tools.
We'd be more than happy to fit the intake for you.
Fitting time should take the average punter no more than 2 hours.*

* I have not yet officially released this product as, currently we have only have only produced a text draft of the fitting instructions.
I still need to produce step by step photos to be included in these fitting instructions.
The intent is to produce fitting instructions that are very clear and easy to follow for home handymen & mechanics alike.

Price of Jazz CAI kit is $375.
(TNT road express freight is additional <$25 within Aust)
Fitting price estimate - $120
(Of course this depends on the hourly rate charged at your local workshop)

Limited offer:
We will waive the installation fee until we have enough photographs to produce our fitting instructions. This offer will only be open to 1, possibly 2 cars.
Once we have produced our instructions, the product will be available outside the Sydney area.
I appologise for any inconvenience this delay causes.

[pornstar]

nice work age, now send me my bearings :)

[bluevti]

For a proper kit $375 sounds good. I'm really interested to see some photos of this kit, where the filter ends up sitting if you have any ...

Also the 4kw, is that @ the wheels and is the power better throughout the rev range?

Cheers,

Andy

[Andys]

For a proper kit $375 sounds good. I'm really interested to see some photos of this kit, where the filter ends up sitting if you have any ...

Also the 4kw, is that @ the wheels and is the power better throughout the rev range?

Dude, did you read the very first post? The one that started this thread??

It answers every question you just asked :confused:

- Andrew

ps. furthermore, dyno graphs are available elsewhere in this forum

[bluevti]

Ah duh! Sorry. I was reading this at work, and really quicky skim read it & didnt notice the filter in bottom rhs of the pic. Sorry. I'll look for the graphs.

[bluevti]

Thanks found the dyno graph...

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19972&goto=nextnewest

[Jus-10]

Buy one before they become obsolete!