What sucks about this forum. [Archive]

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 09:30 PM

The only thing that sucks about this forum is the whole, "everyone is required to contribute a little more to the forums to be able to post in the For Sale section"
This is a bit of a bitch for new users and isnt really effective becuase all you'll get is a whole bunch of noobs (i.e. myself) going from thread to thread trying to reply to practically everything that has been posted. I even think once i posted "nice kit" in a thread because i was desperate to increase my post.
The contribution thing is stopping some new people trying to sell their great cars, which in turn is:
1. making us poor students pay big dollers to advertie our cars.
2. limiting the amount of cars available to other members.
3. slowing down the amount of people joining this forum.
So if there is a way to get these points through to the admins i would really like to know because it is of great disadvantage to this forus and its members.

mojo the flashy monkey

03-05-2005, 09:34 PM

lol u just wana sell ur car dont u :P jks nar its a good thing or all well end up with is randoms that dont care about the forums and y join if all u wana do is sell something hehe go call trading post or carsales :P

bennjamin

03-05-2005, 09:36 PM

simple . DONT JOIN UP JUST TO SELL.

IF you are here to make profit off our hard work i can see where you are coming from...*shrugs*
Otherwise Grin and bear it mate.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 09:38 PM

I do want to sell my car and it is already in carsales AND trading post. but i do contribute to the forums.. i just think the minimum contribution is too high.

jackosimm

03-05-2005, 09:41 PM

I see your point, but looking at what dramas it would cause if it was changed, it would become much the same as tradingpost.com lol just a sales site in time. Sorts out the genuine people from time waisters I think

wynode

03-05-2005, 09:41 PM

The conditions for the for sale forum are there to stop people coming on here just to SELL things and then runing off without contributing anything.

1. making us poor students pay big dollers to advertie our cars
The site is free to join......and so is earning your right to sell items. Nothing in life is free......but in this case the forum is......so why complain?

2. limiting the amount of cars available to other members.
This is a forum........not the trading post/ a car market.

3. slowing down the amount of people joining this forum.
Not everyone joins this forum to merely sell things, but if this condition we have stops people from joining up just to sell things. Then I think we've achieved our goal.

So if there is a way to get these points through to the admins i would really like to know because it is of great disadvantage to this forus and its members.
How's about we start on some of the 'advantages' ?

I hope i've addressed all your points.

-Win

toE

03-05-2005, 09:42 PM

1. You can join other forums that don't need any contribution to sell your items. We'd rather you do that.

2. We're not limiting anything. Cars can be browsed elsewhere online.

3. We don't mind.

wynode

03-05-2005, 09:44 PM

LOL@3 mods replies within 12 mins of posting!

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 09:48 PM

the points you've adressed are all valid, and ofcorse you're going to see them from your point of view. but its hard for the genuine newbies when we do contribute and still cant post. im a member of alot of forums, but ive only just come across ozhonda a few months ago and my cars been for sale for 2 weeks.
its just something that i think needs to be adressed. what are the contribution limits anyway?

bennjamin

03-05-2005, 09:51 PM

LOL@3 mods replies within 12 mins of posting!

Big brother with white glove is watching :)

Just to add - IF we as mods/ admin were paid to look after you bunch and cater for sellers like yoursels/ recieve a CUT out of each sale - maybe things would be different. But since you signed up knowing the terms and conditions- why complain at all ?

This is a site by the people for the people :)

yfin

03-05-2005, 09:52 PM

What are you selling your Honda to buy?

If it is not another Honda it reaffirms the logic behind the rule that you become a member once you have contributed.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 09:54 PM

this isnt a dictatorship. if someone has a suggestion then they'll post it.
dont question why i posted this becuase most noobs are thinking it.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 09:56 PM

well ive just got the thumbs up from my old man.. he wants to go halvies in an s2000 becuase i originally did want an r32 but didnt want me driving anything older than a 2000. a turbo s2000 would be sweet anyway.

mojo the flashy monkey

03-05-2005, 10:01 PM

lol im geting the feling the only reson u posted this is so u can spam it so ur posts go up lol maby ever noob shd do this *not*

djgarv

03-05-2005, 10:03 PM

u're all right...and i think the forums are great...but i can't help thinking where is the argument that even joining to sell/buy stuff can be a good thing. is the OH server capped in some way to only allow a set number of people to register? and someone coming on to sell something is good for all the active members who want to buy their stuff...regardless of whether or not they actively contribute to the forums

maybe there are bargains/exclusive items we're all missing out on simply because that special someone out there with the haunted fully sick jdm nsx-r for sale for $20K doesn't have the time to put up 30 posts

extreme example of course...but i think 70 posts IS a bit high. what if i owned an eg, and i want to sell to by an ek. i join OH and find i gotta post 60 msgs before i can sell it, despite the fact that i still want to be part of the OH community? maybe u guys can just delete inactive accounts after 2 warning emails or something. i dunno. i went through something similar when i joined OH after getting my new car

i wanted to sell some rims from my old car when i first joined OH and found my posts deleted every time i put them up until i learnt about the 150 posts thing. my rims got sold thru firesport before i even got close to 80 posts...but what i'm saying is...there are, i'm sure, many people who don't join the forums JUST to sell stuff

*ECU-MAN EDIT* lets not give away any secrets now

mojo the flashy monkey

03-05-2005, 10:03 PM

mojo has a cry

toE

03-05-2005, 10:04 PM

what are the contribution limits anyway?

That's for us to know and you to find out. :)

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 10:05 PM

haha.. nah.. but its a good idea huh?
start a fight with someone in a thread and it will go back and forth for hours.

Ill kick your dog alright!!

NO! ill kick YOUR dog!!!

it would be a smart thing to do anyway.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 10:07 PM

lol djgarv gave it away

toE

03-05-2005, 10:11 PM

Are you certain? ;)

wynode

03-05-2005, 10:11 PM

u're all right...and i think the forums are great...but i can't help thinking where is the argument that even joining to sell/buy stuff can be a good thing. is the OH server capped in some way to only allow a set number of people to register? and someone coming on to sell something is good for all the active members who want to buy their stuff...regardless of whether or not they actively contribute to the forums

It's nothing to do with the server/bandwidth/new registrations. Previously we had a lot of problems with people signing up just to post things for sale, leaving an email address and never logging on again. Or they had less than 5 posts with all of them being in the For Sale thread they created. So one reason for having the condition is to make this more of a community where people can share information.

The other reason if so that members have to stick around and don't try and scam other users (i've seen it happen on other forums) by trying to sell questionable items (heck its free to signup and nobody really knows who you are). I know forums where you have to be a member for 3 months before you can sell anything so this isn't that bad.

SECUR1TY: I hope you're not using this to (a) increase your post count (b) try and advertise your car

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 10:16 PM

wynode

03-05-2005, 10:19 PM

no im not. i genuinally want to know the reason behind the limit thing. i understand that now but it should be made clearer in the for sales section with the information that states that there is a limit.

It's there......right at the top of the For Sale forum as a sticky (yet people STILL pm me! lol)

Due to problems we have been having with people taking advantage of the marketplace on ozhonda, in order to post items for sale the rank under your username must display 'Member'.

In order for you to get the rank of Member, you are required to contribute a little more to the forums, such as replying to forum threads and making an effort to contribute to the site. Once you have contributed to the site to an acceptable standard, you will then get the rank of 'Member', and you can then post up something for sale.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 10:22 PM

ive read that alot of times though if you want this to be more of a community based forum, give actual reasons as newbies may not know why or how people take advantage.. or refer to this LEGITIMATE thread :)

bennjamin

03-05-2005, 10:33 PM

a few more posts from SECUR1TY - and I am betting there is never a peep from him again on this site.:rolleyes:

*j/k*

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 10:43 PM

haha.. you should see how active i am on preludes australia. i dont really care about being able to post on the for sale site anymore since ive put it in the trading post. but i want to make sure the mods have taken it into consideration

djgarv

03-05-2005, 10:56 PM

u made it man! go nuts!

EK9

03-05-2005, 11:00 PM

here's my take on it... i wont repeat everything the mods have said, but i agree... not cos i'm a mod but also cos i'm a member. seriously, if sumone is complaining, it looks like they're SOLEY RELYING on this 'free' forum to sell their car. however there are a load of other sites and forums where ppl can sell literally anything for a small fee or free as well. but if u've noticed, those forums no longer have that quality and community feel... they've basically become a sellers/buyers site, and that's not our intention here. remember, the car sales section is very new... we never even had a car sales section, because we know (especially being such a new site, only 1 1/2 yrs old) that ppl will use and abuse.

this site wasn't created and isn't intented as a sales market, so the amount of contributing required to give u the rites to the marketplace is nothing imo... i gues Win u mite as well bump up the posts to 500 before members can place a sale ad ;) j/k hehe.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 11:05 PM

lol thanks man..
im really looking for a mods input here. i've really made an effort on this forum in the little time ive been here. i dont post bullshit, its all legitimate info. im just asking that you guys think about it and maybe post up something thats a bit more detailed for the newer members.

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 11:12 PM

djgarv

03-05-2005, 11:26 PM

that sale of cars thing made me think about something...that's related to what i said earlier

i understand why u don't want this to become a marketplace...but like i said before markets benefit both sellers AND buyers

when i bought my dc2...it took months of searching for one that was (a) not thrashed (b) in good condition. i saw about 6 of them before i finally found one in good nick. what made it so good was that the previous owner was just some family man looking to buy a bigger sedan because of the new baby. it was fully serviced by honda and well looked after. all of us, if we buy a performance car second hand, would want one that was driven by someone like that...or a granny for that matter.

No offence to those who DO look after their cars...but for me, i would be a bit hesitant in buying a car from a 19y-old P-plater from ozhonda...esp if i didn't know much about cars. we all love our cars here so of course, many of usl drive them hard (sometimes). so if say, the guy i bought the car from, wanted to sell his car here - u'd be denying him of that chance....but perhaps even worse...denying an original OH member from finding a good example of a car they might have been searching for for a long time?

modding forums suck. cos u gotta deal with questions like this hahahaha. i guess i don't really care that there are minimum requirements to sell stuff...but just thinking out aloud

Duesta

03-05-2005, 11:31 PM

you guys should also have a glossary full of the meanings for all the various car-related abbreviations used in here for dumb ****s like me who dont know what some of em mean :P lol

no but seriously.. it'd help out some of the newbies out there

SECUR1TY

03-05-2005, 11:36 PM

im a member now.. WOOHOO
off to spam in the for sales section i goooooooooo....
jk :P
djgarv thats a completely valid point. i bought my lude 2 years ago off the skylines australia forums believe it or not.. when i went down to see it, it was a 30yr old dude, the car had 110,000k's on it, and it was sitting in the far corner of this really huge garage. the car looked like it had'nt been touched for a few weeks and was in prestine condition. the guy's first post was to advertise that car... but then again, he was advertising a honda in a skylines forum. but hey! i found a perfect 3rd gen.

ECU-MAN

03-05-2005, 11:54 PM

when ever I join a forum its to read the content inside or to ask a question for help on something to get answers, No forum is perfect but some are better than others, I find it really anoying when searching for an answer and have to filter throught 200 crap threads to find the 5 thraeds that actually help me. at the end of the day a tightly netted forum is easyer to access information, a forum that has been "let go" is almost imposible or juts not worth looking through. I can only imagine the mayhem that would happen here if it was just opened up and let go of.

EK9

03-05-2005, 11:57 PM

you agree NOW, that your on 530 posts. its different for us newbies.. i probably wont even put my car up for sale here since i wont get my kit back till 2morrow anyway.. and the post should help with the sale. BUT this is still an issue for newcomers.
LOL i didn't even know i was on that many posts :D i've always agreed... believe it or not, i became a mod on 100+ posts only a few months ago. i've been here from the beginning, but didn't post alot, just read... but i've always seen it that way, completely understood y the admins did this cos i've seen other forums whored out only for the marketpalce and i completely hated it.

panda[cRx]

04-05-2005, 12:59 AM

i agree with the mods, if u wanna sell something car related for free try something like www.firesport.com.au

sure i'm another one with a gazillion posts but yeah i agree 100%
some people dont believe what the mods say about this being for their own good but it is. i think its great how it is atm, most people know who each other are that are selling and it has the whole 'community vibe' that the mods are after :p

like ecuman says "I can only imagine the mayhem that would happen here if it was just opened up and let go of"

EK9

04-05-2005, 01:14 AM

panda summed it up nicely ;) once ppl start contributing, everyone starts to know everyone, so that extra bit of trust is there wen those ppl start selling and buying. i've bought and sold off this site a few times, and honestly i wouldn't have if i didn't know them thru the forums... they're just another name/nick on the net like ebay, but that community feel and knowing these guys makes all the difference. i don't trust ebay alot...

same goes wif firesport... however it is a good place to buy/sell car related stuff.

huytek

04-05-2005, 01:28 AM

im no0b
well pretty much
and i agree with all the mods that allowing anyone to sell cars straight away would be unbeneficial to the forum due to all the reasons above
However, it must be understood that posting for noobs could be difficult as no0bs are no0bs!...simple as that....
The knowledge base of some no0bs regarding cars is not as big as those who are already members.....

huytek

04-05-2005, 01:35 AM

btw does this count as post??
hehehehe.......

its either this or useless post like "...that looks mad..." or "...i agree with him..."
understand wat i mean?

EK9

04-05-2005, 01:51 AM

yeah we know wot u mean, but then there's a downside to everything in life, so nothing is perfect just like this site. ppl can certainly post their opinions like "that's sick!" but we do tend to notice wen sumone is spamming or just trying to up their post count intentionally... we are watching ;) not only us, but there are MANY loyal and dedicated members who also take notice and don't like this forum being abused... trust me, one just became a mod :D

yes noobs r noobs... i was a noob wen i joined too, didn't know much about cars, took me 1 yr to get 100 posts. but if they're noobs, duno anything about cars, they can read thru the forums (heaps better and lots more now then 1 yr ago), learn alot then contribute wot they can and imo by that time, that's wen they've become apart of this community and earn every rite to sell wotever they please.

SECUR1TY

04-05-2005, 09:51 AM

i just think theres got to be a better way. i joined because i had a problem with my car, and saw everyone else on preludes australia mentioning this place, so i joined. its just a bummer u need to post whatever amount of posts to become a member and sell stuff, i dont think get rid of it completely, just maybe minamise it.

SECUR1TY

04-05-2005, 09:53 AM

by the way... HOW COOL AM I?
my first thread in here and in less than 24hrs it spread to 4 pages

dc2dc2dc2

04-05-2005, 09:55 AM

keep in mind...60% of the posts were by u. =P

IRI

04-05-2005, 10:57 AM

IF you are here to make profit off our hard work

He just wants to sell is own car... He's prolly losing money...

But yeah I reckon it's fine the way it is... (misc for sale section would be nice though:D :wave: ;) )

z3lda

04-05-2005, 11:59 AM