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Breeze
15-05-2005, 12:16 PM
Considering a new Euro in NZ but drove a 20000km old Euro R import as a comparison.

Here is a quick rundown

Differences
- Red dash lights
- 180km/hr speedo
- Momo wheel
- S2000/ITR type alloy pedals
- Alloy gearknob (cold)
- Recaro seats (wide ass version)
- HID lights
- Carbon dash trim
- No cruise
- No radio buttons on s/wheel
- 2.0L 220hp
- Factory LSD
- Stiffer ride
- 3200rpm at 100km/hr in 6th

To drive I expected this to be well down on torque compared to the 2.4L domestic version, thing is it wasn't. The thing had a noticable power gain on vtec rather than the smooth transition offered by the 2.4.

One thing I noted when test driving the 2.4 is that on gear changes it seemed to drop power to avoid drivetrain shunt, there was no wheelspin there. The euro R is a different animal, give it a hard gearchange and you know it. It seems less dumbed down.

Now to see if NZ lease companies will go for a financial lease.

Price comparison
JDM Euro R (2003, 20000kms)- $38000
NZDM Euro (2005, del kms)- $37000 + ORC

Final outcome, very hard choice, I think I want the Euro R, something different (looks stock), still very quiet and comfortable but lots of fun. Hope it is for sale long enough to organise my stuff.
Slugoid
15-05-2005, 02:46 PM
NZ is like just across the ocean, but we miss out on so many good cars. Not fair!!

If I had the chance to get the Euro-R, I would get it for sure without 2nd thoughts. Good luck with the purchase.
|N|
15-05-2005, 02:59 PM
NZ is like just across the ocean, but we miss out on so many good cars. Not fair!!

If I had the chance to get the Euro-R, I would get it for sure without 2nd thoughts. Good luck with the purchase.


cant agree more
aaronng
15-05-2005, 03:20 PM
Great writeup! It would be interesting to see the difference in fuel economy that 3200rpm at 100km/h will make compared to the 2.4L's 2400rpm in 100km/h. Will it be enough to make the fuel consumption for both cars equal? Let us know!
Breeze
16-05-2005, 04:44 AM
Apparently the Euro R is thirstier by a bit.

On http://english.auto.vl.ru/ they quote fuel consumption at 8.4l/100 km average consumption compared to 8.3l/100kms for an auto 2.4l.
aaronng
16-05-2005, 10:22 AM
Cool, thanks for the link! So the fuel consumption does become similar, with 2.4L getting the edge. Watched the Best Motoring test of the 2.4L Euro, and they said it is at a similar performance level to the EuroR, but for family orientated use.
Matell
16-05-2005, 11:49 AM
Cool, thanks for the link! So the fuel consumption does become similar, with 2.4L getting the edge. Watched the Best Motoring test of the 2.4L Euro, and they said it is at a similar performance level to the EuroR, but for family orientated use.

What Best Motoring dvd is the CL9 (Euro)test on? The two I have only test the CL7 (EuroR)....ie VTEC Club (std EuroR, Phase EuroR, Spirt EuroR), and Super Battle DVD(Phase EuroR) :confused: . I believe they mention the CL9 in VTEC Club but they don't test it. If there's one with a test of the CL9 I want to buy it! :D
aaronng
16-05-2005, 12:31 PM
The Best Motoring with CL9 has not been brought to us by Best Motoring International. Hence, there are no english subs. It's the issue where they first test the original RX-8, on Laguna Seca. The Euros tested with the sedan and wagon. Both were autos, unfortunately. It's the March 2003 issue. Here's a link to some images.
http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/bmj_pages/123/bmj_123.htm
baboo
16-05-2005, 01:59 PM
I will choose the EURO R in a click like that.
aaronng
16-05-2005, 02:04 PM
I will choose the EURO R in a click like that.
Except for the price. A 2nd hand 2 year old EuroR costing so similarly to a brand new Euro! Ouch!
baboo
16-05-2005, 02:08 PM
u pay for exclusivity eh! LOL
coladuna
16-05-2005, 05:22 PM
One thing I noted when test driving the 2.4 is that on gear changes it seemed to drop power to avoid drivetrain shunt, there was no wheelspin there. The euro R is a different animal, give it a hard gearchange and you know it. It seems less dumbed down.


Disagree on this point. Maybe you didn't give it enough.
I've had my wheel screeching during gear change when i gave it a bootful with VSA turned off.
Matell
16-05-2005, 05:36 PM
The Best Motoring with CL9 has not been brought to us by Best Motoring International. Hence, there are no english subs. It's the issue where they first test the original RX-8, on Laguna Seca. The Euros tested with the sedan and wagon. Both were autos, unfortunately. It's the March 2003 issue. Here's a link to some images.
http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/bmj_pages/123/bmj_123.htm

SWEET!. Thanks I'll hunt a copy down :D :thumbsup:
kam
16-05-2005, 06:52 PM
NZ is like just across the ocean, but we miss out on so many good cars. Not fair!!.

i think its because NZ dont make their own locally produced cars (like australia makes ford and holden), so they have no choice but to import from japan and australia...

when i was there a few years ago, i saw so many early 90's jap turbo cars, it wasnt funny
LOC888
16-05-2005, 08:43 PM
Im soooo jealous, why cant we get the CL7 in Aust.. Anyway, good luck on the purchase.
btw, can we import the CL7 to Aust from NZ?
Pum[Z]
16-05-2005, 10:12 PM
Except for the price. A 2nd hand 2 year old EuroR costing so similarly to a brand new Euro! Ouch!

Yeah but thats a standard Euro and not a Euro Luxury...

Definetly would pick the Euro R (CL7) over the Aus Euro (CL9) Anyday...
EuroAccord13
16-05-2005, 10:22 PM
My friend just bought one CL7 back home :( I wanna drive it....
SSML
16-05-2005, 10:38 PM
[QUOTE=aaronng] It would be interesting to see the difference in fuel economy that 3200rpm at 100km/h will make compared to the 2.4L's 2400rpm in 100km/h. ![QUOTE]

typical close ratio box for Euro R.
similar rev to S2000 in 6th.
I prefer the 6th gear to be an overdrive like CL9 6MT or BMW's 6th.
I mean, do we need 6th gear to be so short? we down shift if we going to overtake in single lane HWY anyway.... maybe I am wrong, correct me please
my 6MT Is200 is doing 3000rpm @100km/h... a bit annoying. 4AT only doing ~2600rpm @ 100km/h
jl88rl
16-05-2005, 10:49 PM
Thats true, you wouldnt need 6th to be that short.

I just tested my 5spd auto: in 5th, 2100rpm cruises at 100km/hr.
Pum[Z]
16-05-2005, 11:06 PM
I got a buddy of mine that has a close ratio gearbox on his S2000 and on six gear doing 100km/hr his sitting on 5000 rpm... But then S2k has cutoff of 9000 rpm so still a lot of play left... Actually its the S2k next to my car in the avator...

Thats why he only gets 400km out of a full tank...

Now thats ridicolous uhehehehe...
^^v
16-05-2005, 11:17 PM
']I got a buddy of mine that has a close ratio gearbox on his S2000 and on six gear doing 100km/hr his sitting on 5000 rpm... But then S2k has cutoff of 9000 rpm so still a lot of play left... Actually its the S2k next to my car in the avator...

Thats why he only gets 400km out of a full tank...

Now thats ridicolous uhehehehe...

omg .. that is ridiculous....
wots the top speed on that thing?
Pum[Z]
16-05-2005, 11:45 PM
omg .. that is ridiculous....
wots the top speed on that thing?

Have no idea.. He hasn't even tried topspeed with the close ratio gearbox.. S2k standard does a top speed of 230km/hr if i aint mistaken... So it would be shorter then that...
aaronng
17-05-2005, 10:26 AM
My friend just bought one CL7 back home :( I wanna drive it....
So your friend is the one with the EuroR running about KL? My friend has spotted your friend a few times.
EuroAccord13
17-05-2005, 02:27 PM
If I remember from the DVD Yfin lent me, you can swap the CL7 GearBox over to the CL9... Mmmm... Closer ratio = Faster Pick-up :D






So your friend is the one with the EuroR running about KL? My friend has spotted your friend a few times.

No... My friend is from the land of "Lahs".. Singapore :p

But there are a fair bit of CL7s running amock in Malaysia!
baboo
17-05-2005, 02:40 PM
better yet, get DC5R gearbox complete with LSD & 4.767 finaldrive.
EURO R has 4.5 final drive I think.
aaronng
17-05-2005, 03:15 PM
better yet, get DC5R gearbox complete with LSD & 4.767 finaldrive.
EURO R has 4.5 final drive I think.
The EuroR has the same ratios as the DC5R, but only with a different final drive ratio.
baboo
17-05-2005, 03:18 PM
yeah, so dc5r final drive is better