Serious opinions / help needed guys...

[iceman_vti]

kk... heres the current situation

i own a 97 EK1 VTi sedan, everything stock, except for intake.. D16Y8 i think, its the SOHC VTEC

recently have run into some moneys, $600, and i will have $450 comin in every fortnight from now on (Youth Allowance :D :D :D ) and i am seriously thinkin of some modifications to my car... What do you guys think?

i so far thought rims, ehaust, or turbo, or SOMETHING to get me some power, as SOHC VTEC is fast, but i know it can be faster without a engine conversion... the engine only has just over 80xxx on the clock, so its realtively good.

thanks in advance

Hully

[Waggy]

Depends what you want mate.

My opinion on the best first thing to do would be to get a full exhuast system (headers, b-pipe & axle-back), CAI inc. Pod filter (Apexi, K&N etc) and some springs (my choice will soon be Eibach Pros) to give it a better stance and handling.

Start with a few things first, but you see, if you wanna stick a wizzer (turbo) in it, prolly best to save your money and buy the exhaust and everything all together as an exhaust for a turbo will have to be bigger than one for an NA engine.

Have a think about what you want to do with it first. Then make your decisions and spend your money accordingly.

[iceman_vti]

Well in the end i want a turbo, and i know that a 3 " exhaust is what i'll need if i go turbo, and yeah, thinkin maybe saving is the best option... in your honest opinion guys, would it be easier to go a bolt on kit or get a custom turbo setup... i want a bit of power in the end, lookin maybe 200 kw

[Waggy]

I can't help you much with turbos mate sorry, I'm more of an NA freak.

Anyone else wanna pitch in for iceman?

[Paul1985]

youth allowance payments arent gonna get u a turbo kit in a hurry.. better to do your intake as waggy said

if i were u id prefer to drop a better engine in and keep it as n/a and a long way down the track if u still have this car.. turbo it, just my opinion, each to there own..

good luck with the mods

btw im from geelong too champ :)

[turtleEK1]

keep in mind if you go putting money into power... money will have to be spent on handling like brakes, suspension, tyres and chassis strength otherwise your car will be all over the shop to drive... so may want to focus funds on that first? just my thoughts! :p

[Waggy]

Yeah mate. Paul is right too, I was all "I'm gunna buy all the expensive sh!t" when I was young and reckless (not that I'm saying you are mate, but you know). Then I realised how much everything costs.

A decent turbo kit is going to cost you around 5-6k at least. That's without labour too, unless you can do the install yourself...

[saxman]

do it once and do it right

http://www.glausers.com/matt/newturbo/manifoldleft.jpg


decide what you want to do and go from there... it's silly to spend lots of money on intake/header/exhaust etc if ultimately you want to turbo the car. The sohcs with a turbo are wonderful engines. Way way way better than any engine you could swap in imo.

[Cvik_ryda]

save up and do a swap i reckon. SOHC turbo doesnt sound like it gonna last long unless u have enough dollas to beef up th internal which i think gonna cost u as much as the turbo kit. Swap to a twin cam B or H series then u can turbo it later when u have better access to the dolla bills. but like every one else said its only my opinion.

[iceman_vti]

well say i was to go all out NA SOHC styles.. any opinions? i've heard people say that u can get a bit of power out of the SOHC with it NA

Hully

[saxman]

save up and do a swap i reckon. SOHC turbo doesnt sound like it gonna last long unless u have enough dollas to beef up th internal which i think gonna cost u as much as the turbo kit. Swap to a twin cam B or H series then u can turbo it later when u have better access to the dolla bills. but like every one else said its only my opinion.
a properly tuned sohc turbo will last quite a while, even on a stock internalled engine. There are tons of people out that have been runnign them for years without a problem. There are several making 230+ whp(170+ kW at the wheels) on stock internals without a problem. It's all about the tune. There's no reason why a b or an h would be more reliable turboed than a d

[saxman]

well say i was to go all out NA SOHC styles.. any opinions? i've heard people say that u can get a bit of power out of the SOHC with it NA

Hully
if you want to stay NA, I would definetely suggest swapping the engine. You'll end up spending tons of money only to get out maybe as much hp as a stock b16.

[iceman_vti]

but a h22a conversion ur lookin at at least 5k arent u?

Hully

[J-MuN]

$450 comin in every fortnight from now on (Youth Allowance :D :D :D )
so we're practically paying for ur new mods via TAX!!.. i hate ppl like you :p

save up for an engine swap man... if u want power that is... :D

[iceman_vti]

hey man i saved up like $14000 last year so i could get this much, and the $14 k payed for my civic, so its all in due cause :p lol plus the government wants to give me free money i wont be complaining, and i pay taxes too :p i'm not a freeloader lol.

engine swap to what? b or h? and how much would that cost me?

Hully

[saxman]

just keep in mind that there isn't a stock honda engine that's easily swapped in that will make more power than a turbo d16 can easily achieve

[J-MuN]

just keep in mind that there isn't a stock honda engine that's easily swapped in that will make more power than a turbo d16 can easily achieve
thats if u wanna go turbo... or keep NA!!... LoL :p

if u wanna do engine swap just get urself the TEG VTi-R engine... the B18C... that will be heaps

for ur EK... :thumbsup: but if u want, get bolt on turbo kit...

[saxman]

honestly now... who DOESN'T want to go turbo ;)


except those crazy n/a guys that insist on spending more money to make less power... I think they just have something to prove.



Anyway, so this isn't completely off topic, what do you want from the car besides just "more power"

[J-MuN]

honestly now... who DOESN'T want to go turbo
me :rolleyes: hahaha.. in aus, not every tom dick and harry wanna go turbo.. seems to be the

'thing' going in the US...

[saxman]

I think a lot of that has to do with the price. The first turbo set up I did on my car cost me under AU$1000, and a lot of people have done cheaper ones. The kinds of prices it costs for simple turbo set ups out there seem to make it much harder to come by.

[Waggy]

Yeah I don't wanna go turbo, I'm an NA freak. I like my car NA and the scream of an NA Honda engine just can't be beaten, in my opinion. But hey, I love turbo Hondas too and for power/money ratio they can't be overlooked.

Seriously, I think engine swaps are A LOT of trouble. I reckon sticking with what you have is the easiet way. Turbo D series engines pull like beasts, even with stock internals. The yanks run pretty high boost in them too.

[saxman]

Turbo D series engines pull like beasts, even with stock internals. The yanks run pretty high boost in them too.
certainly can't argue with the 200+whp that is consistently repeated time and time again by different people on the stock internalled d's

[J-MuN]

Yeah I don't wanna go turbo, I'm an NA freak. I like my car NA and the scream of an NA Honda engine just can't be beaten, in my opinion. But hey, I love turbo Hondas too and for power/money ratio they can't be overlooked.

werd!!... and plus, working ur car N/A and beating a turbo?... priceless :D:D:D

[nEUROtic]

recently have run into some moneys, $600, and i will have $450 comin in every fortnight from now on (Youth Allowance :D :D :D )



How about you get a job and stop wasting tax payers money?

[type one]

Well in the end i want a turbo, and i know that a 3 " exhaust is what i'll need if i go turbo, and yeah, thinkin maybe saving is the best option... in your honest opinion guys, would it be easier to go a bolt on kit or get a custom turbo setup... i want a bit of power in the end, lookin maybe 200 kw

200kw = a bit of power?? wowsers

Are we talking 200kw atfw? How do you think your civic is going to hold this power to the ground? I think your best bet is to save your cash and do some more homework.

Go a Custom turbo on your d16y and hope that it does what a turbo should do - make boost. Don't concentrate on numbers, cos you will be chasing dyno figures around all day long.

[type one]

but a h22a conversion ur lookin at at least 5k arent u?

Hully

sorry had to quote this one as well. A turbo setup for your d (in Australia saxman - cos of our parts availability/expertise) will cost you approximately 5k with an a better than average ecu.

[CONAN]

450 a fortnight? wow you must be rorting it hard to be getting that much.
and if it was Lergit, then you should be using that 450 elsewhere other than a turbo.

but anyway, mr. living off the government, get a stage 1 turbo kit. run low boost, that should be fun for a while. And then get the usual stuff like exhaust, air filter etc. That should set you back around 3k depending on where u go for it.

But for now, I say you save up the money first, then see what it will allow you to do.

:thumbsup:

[iceman_vti]

How about you get a job and stop wasting tax payers money?

I have a job ^_^ as said before, i pay tax, so stop ya crying :D :cool: ... saxman how the F$%K did you do a turbo for under $1000!!! i find that almost impssible unless you have a turbo no bigger than a 5 cent piece

Hully

[saxman]

that was running a td05h 15g... the turbo that comes in the greddy kit. Happened to get a good deal on it through a friend. There are tons of people that pick up used turbos and run really cheap set ups. My new set up, with the T3 60 trim, custom equal length manifold, etc will be a bit closer to 1800-2kish

things are quite a bit cheaper here in the states. Just need to order your parts from here, and find someone to do the install and tune that isn't going to charge rediculous shop prices

[Waggy]

Saxman is from the US, so I'm guessing he is speaking in US Dollars.

1,000.00 USD = 1,322.88 AUD
2,000.00 USD = 2,645.76 AUD

1 USD = 1.32288 AUD 1 AUD = 0.755927 USD

^ Figures from Xe.com (current)

And keep in mind (and I'm not having a dig at you Saxman), a lot of American fellas get "ebay turbos", which are SUPER cheap but errr...haven't really got the greatest reputation. A decent turbo + installation + tuning from a GOOD TRUSTWORTHY dealer is probably going to cost 4-5k (like type one said).

[saxman]

Saxman is from the US, so I'm guessing he is speaking in US Dollars.

1,000.00 USD = 1,322.88 AUD
2,000.00 USD = 2,645.76 AUD

1 USD = 1.32288 AUD 1 AUD = 0.755927 USD

^ Figures from Xe.com (current)

And keep in mind (and I'm not having a dig at you Saxman), a lot of American fellas get "ebay turbos", which are SUPER cheap but errr...haven't really got the greatest reputation. A decent turbo + installation + tuning from a GOOD TRUSTWORTHY dealer is probably going to cost 4-5k (like type one said).
nope, xe.com is my friend to, I've been converting everything to AUD

and yah, a lot of people use the ebay turbo(or should I say SSAC/xs power/stone mountain), but most of the worth mentioning cheap turbo set ups are using genuine garrett turbos...

personally, I use a garrett T3 60 trim... everyone I've personally installed other than my old td05 has been a garrett T3 or one trim or another, no cheap knock offs here

[type one]

funnily enough there was a d turbo kit for sale on thiS FORUM one week ago... greddy kit with the turbo saxman mentioned tdo5 a la wrx... $1500.

by the way i much prefer oanda.

[saxman]

the td05h 15g in the greddy kit is actually a different turbo than the wrx... probably quite similar in size though. The greddy turbos are a bit different than the other ones sharing their type/trim just different housings/flanges for the most part

[type one]

hmmm, sounds like a technicality hehehe.

can it be replaced one for one if say for example, the greddy turbo goes kerplunk?

[saxman]

hmmm, sounds like a technicality hehehe.

can it be replaced one for one if say for example, the greddy turbo goes kerplunk?
nope, won't bolt up

you can, however, use the greddy 19t found in the kit for the b16 powered civics with some minor mods...

[Waggy]

Alright ok! I'm not that clued in on turbos.

[Terry]

i think handling is more important than speed...........if just let the engine power own you......outcome could be dangerous:( ....i'd rather to get the car handling well.......turbo civic is fast in straight but may not be so when it comes to turn.....honestly if speed does matter....SOHC is not the choice for you.....turbo it will be a magnet for cops and problems with insurance......if u decide to go for it....make sure you also upgrade your brake and sussy......hope that helps:D

PS:Is good that u have money to work for your car......but becareful....there may be some OH member a work as tax man.........:p

[raff]

get rid of the standard engine (d16y...) i recken since its not that powerful. b18c i recken then work from there! turbo na whatever but first things first i think you need a better base engine to work on. thats just my thoughts!!

if you go turbo on ur sohc vtec i find it hard to believe you will get 200kw without spending $$$$ on internals, even with that done i dun think 200kw is possible full stop.

so save ur cash as long as it takes ad just do it properly in one hit!

-RaF-

[saxman]

get rid of the standard engine (d16y...) i recken since its not that powerful. b18c i recken then work from there! turbo na whatever but first things first i think you need a better base engine to work on. thats just my thoughts!!

if you go turbo on ur sohc vtec i find it hard to believe you will get 200kw without spending $$$$ on internals, even with that done i dun think 200kw is possible full stop.

so save ur cash as long as it takes ad just do it properly in one hit!

-RaF-
you are seriously underestimating the capabilities of the d series engines. there are tons of them running around making over 170 kw at the wheels here on bone stock engines inside, and a handful of them running over 220kw on stock internals... a relatively inexpensive build(certainly only a fraction of the cost of a b series engine swap) makes 300kw not all that difficult to achieve.

[raff]

maybe im being biased but i used to have an eg5 d16y1\(sohc vtec) and now i got eg2 b16a2 , and the d16y compared to the b16 i really cant compare in all aspects. but i couldnt comment on turbo's. i just think that 200kw on a stock d16 seems overly powerful for from an engine producing 98kw at flywheel standard!

[egSi]

some of the posts in this thread r utterly ridiculous and unfounded :rolleyes:

i suggest hully that u do some reasearch in many places so u can get a more balanced view.

i mean dont go to sohchonda.com and ask bout a b swap and dont come on OH asking sohcs lol. see what i mean.

look everywhere! not just in a couple of places, in the end its ur car and ur responsibilty to drive it and maintain it, not some nobody on OH. ;)