Integra VtiR vs Civic Vti-R [Archive]

2NTICN

17-05-2005, 09:19 PM

Just wanting your thoughts on the integra vtir vs the civic vtir in a range or aspects from handling to straight out speed??? You can compare the integra to either the hatch or the coupe version of the civic i dont mind. Im deciding on which would be a better option to buy. :honda:

THE_MASS

17-05-2005, 10:35 PM

mister

17-05-2005, 10:51 PM

well, the integras are more sportier than the civics as they come out with extra features. as for speed, the teg beats the civics only due to the differences in engines, the 1.6 to a 1.8. the tegs also handle that little bit better agian, due to the extra features. But it all depends what you feel comfortable in.
(were talking stock, straight out of the factory)
hope that helps. i know some other guys, will point out some other differences.
:)

i think that is based entirely on opinion and not fact.

as far as i understand it, the ek4 has better handling than the dc2 because it is a hatch.
u will have to sit in each car to see how u feel. as with differences between dc2r and dc5r, the ek4 seating position and drastically different to the dc2 sitting position, whihc may effect the way u drive.

GSI-PSI

18-05-2005, 01:25 AM

speed wise, the teg is better as i could beat a civic in my gsi before it was turbocharged.

Q_ball

18-05-2005, 01:47 AM

teg would b better IMO both handlin n speed

IRI

18-05-2005, 08:31 AM

Civic = Shopping trolley:p
Teg = Sports car:D

haha

tRipitaka

18-05-2005, 08:37 AM

Civic = Shopping trolley:p
Teg = Sports car:D

haha

yet shopping trolleys outhandle cars :p
do 90 degree corners with no problem

nobbs

18-05-2005, 08:46 AM

speed wise, the teg is better as i could beat a civic in my gsi before it was turbocharged.

i find that very very hard to believe, ive got a civic vtir coupe and a vtir teggy just pulls away from me in 3rd and 4th gear...really depends on the driver and the launch u get

i cant imagine a gsi would be close to that

as for whats better i can tell you that yes the teggy is faster in outright speed but it comes down to what you are after in a car...
for me i wanted practicality and some speed thats y i bought the civic coupe, it carries 5 ppl comfortably (which i carry regularly), where as when i sit in the back of my mates teggy i kinda have to duck so my head doesnt hit the roof...(not very comfortable)
i rekn both cars are very nice looking although the teggy might feel/look sportier

i can tell u when it comes to insurance a teggy vtir is seen as a higher risk than a civic vtir, therefore the insurance on the civic is cheaper...

id say ur best bet is to drive both and see what YOU think..:)

this is my opinion neways

joneblaze

18-05-2005, 08:46 AM

IMO the DC2 definitely goes and handles better, and this is being as neutral as possible.

A stock EK4 is a more than fair match for a stock GSi....Probably just that bit quicker.

J-MuN

18-05-2005, 08:58 AM

i find that very very hard to believe, ive got a civic vtir coupe and a vtir teggy just pulls away from me in 3rd and 4th gear...really depends on the driver and the launch u get

i cant imagine a gsi would be close to that

as for whats better i can tell you that yes the teggy is faster in outright speed but it comes down to what you are after in a car...
for me i wanted practicality and some speed thats y i bought the civic coupe, it carries 5 ppl comfortably (which i carry regularly), where as when i sit in the back of my mates teggy i kinda have to duck so my head doesnt hit the roof...(not very comfortable)
i rekn both cars are very nice looking although the teggy might feel/look sportier

i can tell u when it comes to insurance a teggy vtir is seen as a higher risk than a civic vtir, therefore the insurance on the civic is cheaper...

id say ur best bet is to drive both and see what YOU think..:)

werd :thumbsup:... some wise words... :p

teg is faster cos its 1.8 compared to 1.6... but looks they both look good but i prefer civic... if i'd go a

teg, it'll definitely have to be an R... :p

and NO way your GSI would beat a civic VTi-R... keep up maybe, but no way beat... unless the driver

was a total N:o :o B!!

HRV-80Y

18-05-2005, 09:07 AM

i find that very very hard to believe, ive got a civic vtir coupe and a vtir teggy just pulls away from me in 3rd and 4th gear...really depends on the driver and the launch u get

yeah really depends on driver !

me vs nobbs...i cant launch properly so thats where 3rd n 4th r good in a teg to catch up :p :p :p

but when i'm bothered practicing nobbs watch out ! :thumbsup:

for the price you pay for a vtir hatch or coupe dohc 1.6 you can get a teg for the same price but its a dohc 1.8...thats the theory i went with when i purchased my car...

marcs

18-05-2005, 09:54 AM

I've driven my mates vti-r civic coupe and it felt a lot different from my vti-r integra. The gears, the clutch, the response, handling. Integra > Civic in those departments I felt. I love the look of the vtir civic coupe, but I feel integra is a better drive.

HRV-80Y

18-05-2005, 10:09 AM

redliner

18-05-2005, 10:17 AM

HRV-80Y

18-05-2005, 11:19 AM

posting in the integra section, doesnt that mean you kinda want the integra more?
Both are pretty much ncie cars, VTIR coupe are hard to find where as integra VTIR are much easier. Performance wise depends on how u drive it :)

coupe vtir are definately hard to find...

teg vtir easy to find if -98 model...+98 vtir damn hard to find !

want to buy mine ? :p :p :p

Felix

18-05-2005, 12:26 PM

I looked around for my VTIR 1998 Teg for 6months before buying one. Was looking for the right one - unmodded, low kms, no damage, NSW. So yeah it took me 6 months.

edw-R

18-05-2005, 01:42 PM

Yeah. I depend on the driver. In the real word, 1.8L is more power than 1.6. Just compare the power, integra win.

THE_MASS

18-05-2005, 03:10 PM

its true what nobbs said about the tegs that they dont have enough room at the back and yes, its not comfortable. But what does that tell you...? that its designed more for a sportier look and feel.
But, just like every one hs been sayin, it all depends on what YOU like!
:D

2NTICN

18-05-2005, 04:02 PM

is there much point in buying a +98 Integra VTIR. Why is it that much better than a -98 IntegraVTIR?

bluebird

18-05-2005, 04:40 PM

Just newer.. newer = better as far as i'm concerned.

You'll find the Integra VTiR is slightly faster in 3rd gear onwards than the Civic VTiR.

HRV80Y, do you have problems launching due to the axel tramp??? (front wheels bouncing)

Cheers,
Tommo.

tRipitaka

18-05-2005, 04:46 PM

is there much point in buying a +98 Integra VTIR. Why is it that much better than a -98 IntegraVTIR?

98+ models would obviously have less kms, therefore would provide you with peace of mind..

although if the sub 96 model was driven by a grandmother and the 98+ model driven by an 18yo with modifications, i'd definitely choose the 96 model as it would have most likely been babied around..

**Ghost**

18-05-2005, 04:47 PM

personal experience with doing a traffic light grand prix with a teggy vtir... same for 1st and 2nd gear, 3rd gear the teg obviously is pulling away

[twins]vtec

18-05-2005, 05:10 PM

someone b4 sed that an integra is a coupe - its actualli a hatchback
yeah just felt like saying that
speed hrmz...i havnt ran a ek4 b4 so i cant realli say much
but i have sat in one and u can definitely feel the torque difference
the dc2 also has slighty closer gear ratio/final diff
but then again the ek4 has a shorter stroke so revs quicker....
handling wise - the dc2 has a shorter wheelbase 2570/2620- which helps
also according to... i think its car and driver from memory
the 0-100 time dc2 is slighty faster than the ek4
also the interior of the integra - i much much prefer prob dueto the fact that i dun like the color of the seats in teh civic
but i love the look of the EM1 - looks so good when dumped and without a wing

[twins]vtec

18-05-2005, 05:12 PM

and yeah i have seen a EM1 with full load beat a dc2r with onli 1 passenger
but then again i think the guy in the Dc2r was a noob
so yeah its all a lot to do with whos driving the car

tRipitaka

18-05-2005, 05:15 PM

definitely a noob.

IRI

19-05-2005, 08:29 AM

vtec']someone b4 sed that an integra is a coupe - its actualli a hatchback

On my rego it says coupe

ek004

19-05-2005, 08:43 AM

Just be aware that an civic coupe vti-r em1 has a different build quality to an ek4 civic hatch, keep that in mind.

And I would agree that the torque of the integra would make it faster. Handling I have no opinion have never driven one hard.

But from tinkerbell's wakefiled times id say they are both good handlers, the civic hatch from memory has a longer wheel base so make what you will of that.

Happy hunting..
ps: DRIVE BOTH CARS, buy which ever you like from the drive

VT3C

19-05-2005, 01:25 PM

I thought the Teg VTiR had taller ratios and final drive than the Civic VTiR's.. ??

I n my opinion, even if the Integra might have slightly more poke in 3rd, the civic is much more fun to drive, lighter, nimble chassis.. the EK chassis is 'newer' than the DC2 chassis which is based on EG chassis.

In my experience, Civic VTiR's have beaten or at least kept up with Teg VTiR's.. but whoever said a GSi is even match for an EK4 is wrong man, I used to beat GSi's with my SOHC VTEC..

raff

19-05-2005, 02:19 PM

i driven both dc2 vtir and em1 and for me the em1 handled better than the dc2, this could just be it suited me better but it out handled it. speed wise the dc2 felt quicker noticebly more torque which felt better from standing start.

cheers
-RaF-

Blew_lude

19-05-2005, 02:24 PM

vtec']and yeah i have seen a EM1 with full load beat a dc2r with onli 1 passenger
but then again i think the guy in the Dc2r was a noob
so yeah its all a lot to do with whos driving the car

um not a noob, just that the guy in the DC2r changed gears at 4,000 rpm
and EM1 busted his engine!

SmIrNoFF

25-05-2005, 12:32 PM

speed wise the dc2 felt quicker noticebly more torque which felt better from standing start.

cheers
-RaF-

Did u come to this conclusion last thursday raff when i ripped u! hahaha. Both cars are great... imo i would go a civic hatch vti-r. you dont see many on the road, they go hard and the handling is great. Thats what i was after originally but i ended up wit the teg.

redliner

25-05-2005, 12:40 PM

the car is only gd as the driver i say

kelviN

24-08-2006, 08:22 PM

definitely no way an EM1 can beat an integra type r. I have a EM1 and when there is a full load (5 people ) it revs to 9000rpm, and yet camry's n corolla's pass by with ease.

Spunkymonkey

24-08-2006, 08:30 PM

OMG this thread has been revived from the dead.

T-onedc2

24-08-2006, 09:06 PM

EM1 build quality is down on the others as it's US built. Interestingly the EK4 has a slightly longer wheelbase and less front & rear body overhang than DC2. DC2 body has lower centre of gravity, stronger rear subframe for more peace of mind with thick swaybars.

slipn

24-08-2006, 09:38 PM

I love my DC2 VTI-R. super torquey engine that loves to rev, amazing handling and great build quality.

But the one thing i will admit is you see alot more of them around when the civics seem to be not so common..

Spunkymonkey

24-08-2006, 09:44 PM

I agree to disagree - plenty of EK4's in Sydney. One in the front yard, teg in the garage lol

whilst handling is better than civic, not fantastic stock - much better with coilovers, strut bars.

Mattski_VTIR

24-08-2006, 09:51 PM

Having owned an EM1 I wouldn't say there is a "huge" difference in build quality between an EK4, the yanks still had to meet Honda's build and quality standards. Saying this the integras have a slight advantage over the civic (both being vtir's) mostley in 3rd gear +. 1st and 2nd gear are close but the integras torque is always more apparent. Handling personally comes to opinion, although I would say stock for stock the integra has a more sportier feel. This is simply my opinion as while I owned my em1 my brother owned dc2 (vtir) Both fun cars to drive, I would recommend driving both before making a decision.

T-onedc2

24-08-2006, 09:52 PM

In Adelaide, Integra:Civic population is split fairly evenly, I was on the Gold Coast all last week and saw 3 very average condition stock GSi's, 1 lowered VTiR, a large number of Civics, and a BB6 Prelude everywhere I turned.:confused:

Accord_Power

24-08-2006, 11:55 PM

from what ive read peole seem to have different views, and it seems that both Ek4 and Teg are even, but dunno why the civic's are so much more expensive than Vtir teg...

personally i'd go for the civic, coz more rare... and looks hotter

paylo

25-08-2006, 12:19 AM

yeh civic all the way... classier n more comfortable ride. r u planning to mod the car heaps or wat?

TheSaint

26-08-2006, 01:55 PM

isnt a teg a 'fast back' not a hatch or a coupe?

T-onedc2

26-08-2006, 02:02 PM

................but dunno why the civic's are so much more expensive than Vtir teg................
I'd say because the DC2 Integra was released in '93, three years earlier than the EK Civic, the there's the EM1 which is just rare in comparison and that keeps the price up.

T-onedc2

26-08-2006, 02:03 PM

isnt a teg a 'fast back' not a hatch or a coupe?
My rego says it's a sedan but apparently my old Corolla hatch was a sedan according to them. I'd call the Teg a "liftback".

Chronos

26-08-2006, 02:43 PM

My VIN plate says '4 seat Hatch'
My Rego paper says 'Coupe'

Honda > RTA

90LAN

26-08-2006, 05:10 PM

i would go the civic vtir as the dc2 vtir has that shit twin butterfly intake manifold! why get a 98 teg when you could save some more and get a type r
but thats my opinion, just test drive both cars and buy the one you like

Da1nONLY

26-08-2006, 06:10 PM

ummmz.... the Integra is a Hatch..
If you pop the boot, it comes up like a hatch..
RTA paper says its a hatch....looks like a coupe i know..! :)

and no.. imo wouldn't say the EK civics are more classier than the dc2s..
i think the dc2s are more sleek in design and has more of a sports car look...
In the end, its up to the person to decide... each to their own.....

locote

26-08-2006, 06:59 PM

Well y not combine both... lol
Civic with a b18c transplant:)

roar

26-08-2006, 08:22 PM

integra is not a hatch

check out supras next time, their boots open in exactly the same way so do you also call that a hatch?

roar

26-08-2006, 08:34 PM

oh and also...i've owned both, a vtir teg and currently a ek4

they are both awesome cars, but the one thing that always shat me about the dc2 vtir was that dc2r's existed in australia

it feels good to own something thats top of the range (ek9 isn't readily available in aus)

Da1nONLY

27-08-2006, 05:33 PM

integra is not a hatch

check out supras next time, their boots open in exactly the same way so do you also call that a hatch?

A hatchback car is an automobile design, consisting of a passenger cabin which includes an integrated cargo space, accessed from behind by a "hatch" tailgate or flip-up window.

Hatchbacks are also often described as three-door (two entry doors and the hatch) or five-door (four entry doors and the hatch) cars.

Small cars often incorporate a hatch tailgate to make the best use of available space. Especially in smaller models, hatchbacks are often truncated, with the tailgate nearly vertical, to reduce the car's footprint. This is an important consideration in countries where small streets and traffic congestion are factors. Hatchbacks frequently include fold-down rear seats, which enable a substantial portion of the interior space to be used as a cargo area. Usually, the rear seat can be folded partially (for instance 1/2, 1/3 or 2/3) or completely to expand the cargo space.

Hatchbacks typically have a parcel shelf: a rigid shelf covering the cargo space that is hinged behind the rear seats and lifts with the tailgate. An alternative is a flexible roll-up tonneau cover.

High performance variants of hatchbacks are now common, known as "hot hatches".

rakfint

28-08-2006, 01:02 PM

Ok.. I think I have shared this story before, but I will again because of all this GSI vs VTiR talk.

I drive a 96 GSI Integra dead stock, ran it TWICE against a VTIR Tegs, had exhaust not much else I don't think. I beat it twice much to my shock and also the VTiR drivers!! We stopped and had a chat, then his mate WHIPPED ME! in his EG vtir with a tuned ECU.

All in all, I don't question the VTIR is faster, it has more power, but people keep an open mind, ALOT is in the driver, and also the condition of the car. I personally am yet to see a HUGE difference between vtir & gsi.... im happy to witness it though :)

dhdevil

28-08-2006, 01:18 PM

All in all, I don't question the VTIR is faster, it has more power, but people keep an open mind, ALOT is in the driver, and also the condition of the car. I personally am yet to see a HUGE difference between vtir & gsi.... im happy to witness it though :)

i agree alot with you here bobs we need a stock DC2 Vs stock DC4 shoot out.

on the strip of cause.

TECBOY

28-08-2006, 04:17 PM

integra>civic in stock vtir form

Q_ball

28-08-2006, 09:04 PM

z3lda

31-08-2006, 12:29 AM

my stock vti-r sol > stock vti-r prelude and we all know stock vti-r prelude > civic and integra vti-r

i have eye witnesses. :)

IAMVTEC

31-08-2006, 01:04 AM

No integra is not a hatch. Its a classic coupe and looks great, hatches look ass.

kayot1k

31-08-2006, 01:51 AM

lol, gsi beating a civic vti-r i'd like to see that
fully stock 96' teg gsi beating a teggy vtir convincingly priceless.
quote " had exhaust not much else... " full exhaust ???? **** me dead thats a bigg difference between muffler or catback or full exhaust.

its so blantly obvious teggy vti-r beats civic vti-r in a str8 line blast.
but no more gsi wins jokez please. !

edw-R

31-08-2006, 02:28 AM

Stock civic Vtir compare Stock Integra Vtir. In the 1st and 2nd gear, they are very similar. After 3rd gear and 4th gear, integra vtir can beat civic vtir.

ginganggooly

31-08-2006, 08:27 AM

just look at the 1/4 times. Booget's (dc2) and Luzinit's (ek4) cars were prime examples-

Booget's was with full interior, subs spare, boot full of tools, and 17's. Luzinit's was stripped and on 16's. Both cars had aftermarket intakes, and i think Luzinit had an aftermarket rear muffler vs a cat back for Booget. They're both very competent behind the wheel in my opinion.

14.9 vs 14.9
Similar MPH too

Da1nONLY

31-08-2006, 01:33 PM

No integra is not a hatch. Its a classic coupe and looks great, hatches look ass.

Pop the bonnet of your car...
and YOU tell me what it says on that plate next to the VIN/Chassis number...
if it says "Coupe"..then alright we'll let the Integra's be "Coupes"......and i won't argue with you...I own an integra myself... and i know that it is a hatchback for a fact...

The Lancer MRs are coupes..
The Integra's are hatchbacks..

IAMVTEC

31-08-2006, 07:27 PM

It can call itself what it wants, but its still a coupe period. A golf is a hatch, a Jazz is a hatch, Integra is not a hatch.

aaronng

31-08-2006, 07:37 PM

It can call itself what it wants, but its still a coupe period. A golf is a hatch, a Jazz is a hatch, Integra is not a hatch.
ROFL.... More like it can be what it is, but you will still call it a coupe nonetheless. Bet you'll argue that the 180sx is not a hatchback as well. LOL. (it is. The S13 Silvia is the coupe)

cuongn

03-09-2006, 04:47 PM

all and all wat would be better to have if u strip the whole interior, wat car would perform better, or wat car would win in a striaght line,

zorrt

03-09-2006, 05:33 PM

vtec']and yeah i have seen a EM1 with full load beat a dc2r with onli 1 passenger
but then again i think the guy in the Dc2r was a noob
so yeah its all a lot to do with whos driving the car

maybe it was a gsi with typer kit and stickers? I find it hard to believe that an EM1 can best a DC2R unless the guy really didnt know what he was doing or wasnt trying.

My input, the teg body feels alot heavier thus sturday when driving around as opposed to the civics which feels very light and cheap. But the civics has its advantage where you can actually fit people in the back. If you're taller that 160cm forget about climbing into the back seat. Not very comfortable.