Ecu Recommendations?

[Teggy-Vtir]

In the process of turbo chargin my teg.
Just want some recommendations on ecu's.

turbo will b goin into a Gen3 integra b18c2 (ecu harness obd1)

parts consist of:

cast iron manifold + t3 turbo (internal wastegate)
Walbro 255L fuelpump
Rc 550CC injectors
Greddy Type RS bov
adj fuel pressure regulator
fmic
3" dump pipe - 2.5"cat - 2.5" catback exhaust
Spoon cams + toda adj camgears

somethin right for that setup i guess.


Thanks

[ProECU]

come to adelaide and i'll tune it for you.

[MRJDM]

hondata is the way to go dude. im about to get my turbo civic on the road pretty soon and i wont use anything else cos the after sale support for hondata is awesome. contact dynodave on this forum and he will look after you.

[ProECU]

while you're talking to dyno dave, ask him about his thoughts on ProECU as well

[saxman]

uberdata

http://uberdata.pgmfi.org/forum/index.php

[wlee2]

plug and play autronic.. .. if you can afford it =P...

[redliner]

Looking for ECU already
hmmmmmz turbo is gettin closer ai

[IRI]

plug and play autronic.. .. if you can afford it =P...

[BLKCRX]

I use Hondata in my car b16 450+kw (most powerful Honda in Australia, unless someone can prove me wrong) at the wheels would never use anything else



Regards James

[**Ghost**]

get a full standalone if ur going for that kinda price of 1000 +... if not get an emanage...

[BLKCRX]

get a full standalone if ur going for that kinda price of 1000 +... if not get an emanage...


emanage ! oh a boosted car with cam’s and larger injectors ? lol now there’s a HUGE problem waiting to happen ? what about the stock rev limit ? why doesn’t anyone ever under stand fuel injection correctly! Engine management is not an area you want to skimp on even the slightest. All the solutions mentioned above are standalone solutions, apart from E manage ! something you wanta stay very very very clear of, and all solutions above apart from 1 are way under $800 for your application.

Regards James

[ECU-MAN]

use your harness, P72 OBDI ecu and ProECU.
would be your best and cheapest option

[saxman]

on the emanage note, someone out here recently contacted greddy and was told that the emanage can only reliably handle injectors up to 50% larger than stock... so about 360cc


do you guys get people out there using chrome or uberdata?

[Teggy-Vtir]

yeah cams are already in the car, got my stock cams sittin in my room.

i see most favour hondata here =)
who else tunes hondata from sydney?

[poid]

saxman there are a few of us using crome or uber.

its far more accepted in the US and a lot more tuners are willing to use it to tune over there

[DynoDave]

yeah cams are already in the car, got my stock cams sittin in my room.

i see most favour hondata here =)
who else tunes hondata from sydney?
There are only 2 Hondata dealers in NSW Croydon Racing Developments and myself.But before I go any further what is your budget for your ECU upgrade.
Regards Dyno Dave

[saxman]

saxman there are a few of us using crome or uber.

its far more accepted in the US and a lot more tuners are willing to use it to tune over there
well, I'm glad to see some of you have seen the light ;)

guess it will take some time to become popular out there, just seems silly to me to pay lots of money for hondata when I can use uber for free. Granted, I also tune it myself(as do a lot of uber users), so there's no need to deal with finding a shop to tune it. Really though, there's no reason a shop that can tune hondata or some other ecu program couldn't tune uber, it's just that they won't.

[wlee2]

what about autronic no one like ?

[poid]

Really though, there's no reason a shop that can tune hondata or some other ecu program couldn't tune uber, it's just that they won't.

the workshops wont do it because there isnt a big enough market to encourage them to learn the software, and they wont tune unless they learn the software completely (which i understand, but lets face it who would pay the tuner to take their time to learn the software, and then tune...it would cost a bundle). But you are right, it shouldnt stop people learning how to use it themselves

wlee2 people dont tend to choose Autronic unless they are doing something really crazy, because of the cost. It is a fantastic ECU however

[saxman]

thing is, interface wise if you know how to tune, it's not going to take you more than 5 minutes to figure out. I think it has more to do with them just not wanting to support ecu software that they can't sell you... why make money on just the dyno tuning time when you can make money on tuning AND selling the ecu

[ProECU]

exactly!
In fact, if a dyno operator didnt want to learn new software, chances are he's stale & close minded!

I'd be looking elsewhere.

[shecomb]

I run the Autronic in my car and its perfect. The car runs smoother than it did stock.

[wlee2]

I run the Autronic in my car and its perfect. The car runs smoother than it did stock.

Woot!! someone that said autronic =P!!!...

other than me that is =O

[pornstar]

I run autronic and its also smoother than stock, also get almost the same mileage as stock on 15psi of boost daily driven.

[[stealth]]

PROECU all the way!!!

[saxman]

not sure if this is just a problem I'm having...

I went to proecu's website to look up info on it, and can't for the life of me get to anything but the main page... all the links sent me back to the main page

[ProECU]

thats coz its a half assed half finished page

I'll be addressing that issue shortly.

If you need anyinfo, refer my sig. Thx

[saxman]

no biggie, saw it mentioned here and figured I'd try to find out some info on it.

[huytek]

is proecu a piggyback or standalone?

[poid]

same concept as Hondata/Uberdata/Crome etc

[Trust-Me]

Interesting how you can comment on what PROECU is, considering you're never seen the product....It's actually an integrated solution .not an editor as per the above, which allows realtime updates to the ECU

[pornstar]

lol here we go

[ah8118]

autronic man.. all the way..... hehehe... no offense to all using hondata and proecu.....

[[stealth]]

I've seen proecu in action, nothing comes close for a Honda! :thumbsup:

[saxman]

Interesting how you can comment on what PROECU is, considering you're never seen the product....It's actually an integrated solution .not an editor as per the above, which allows realtime updates to the ECU
what difference is there in the products? you can realtime update with hondata/uberdata/chrome as well if you have the proper hardware...

[wynode]

Guys if you don't know what ProECU is then don't speculate. I'll leave it to Evan (Pro ECU) to explain his product if he wants to.

Till then don't guess, and if you still don't know send him an email.

Thanks

[shecomb]

']I've seen proecu in action, nothing comes close for a Honda! :thumbsup:

I think we all know its how the tuning is mapped rather than the ECU itself. Someone can have a ProECU in a car and maybe its running better than a Hondata/ Autronic tuned car, but it comes down to the operator.

All these uints have the detail and ability to run fuel injected engines fine. If your going with an ECU, discuss with whoever is doing the tuning what there preference is - it will inevetibly give the best results.

In my case, Autronic was the preferred option... But if James (BLKCRX) is tuning your car, i know what his preferred option would be. Either way, as long as it runs economically and make power, who cares.

[poid]

Interesting how you can comment on what PROECU is, considering you're never seen the product....It's actually an integrated solution .not an editor as per the above, which allows realtime updates to the ECU

lol, perhaps you should look into the other products i mentioned a little further ;)

[pornstar]

lol, perhaps you should look into the other products i mentioned a little further ;)

ditto

[Phantasm]

It seems to be different tuners prefer different ecus, and that most ecus in the right hands can provide succesful management to your engine....
You should just go with a tuner that you trust, and think is experienced and capable of tailoring to your needs.
Pornstar really knows his hondas, an autronic would do well in your given situation if you can afford it.

[alan]

i'm selling my autronic

anyone want it?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19907

[ProECU]

i'm selling my autronic

anyone want it?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19907


LOL

[superR]

why hasnt anyone mentioned the power FC? or are they just f#$k%n c$%p

[pornstar]

power fc is great, they work well and plug and play

[strepto]

I really dont see why youd wanna go with larger cams on a fi setup. That makes no sence. If you did something to your drivetrain, like say lower the compression, you could, but still I wouldnt recommend it.

Go with P72 cams. They have no overlap whatsoever, and this is what you'd really want. Also, Id suggest you put some CP's in 9:1 in there, and that was you wont have knock issues. When it comes to tuning, you cant go wrong with Hondata. Its cheap, and its easy to tune on. Let me know if you need parts or tips..

[BLKCRX]

PowerFC works yes, but is very much NOT user friendly, thus hinders a lot of people from getting good results, iv tuned a good handful of Nissan S15 and R33 Skylines and 1 RX7 plus 1 Honda DC2 with PowerFC’s and annoying is the 1st word that comes to my mind when using the hand controller. Its worst than game a boy !

Not only is the screen tinny, so you can’t see the whole 20x20 map on the one display, (in edit map mode) You need to watch one screen, map trace it remember which square / point the engine used in the 20x20 grid then find the specific location / points in another menu 5 clicks away, and this is different for both fuel and ignition settings. For this very reason a lot of people just tune full throttle points 2 save how much data you need to remember and which points to edit, not to mention saving time.. which is $ at the end of the day… I spend a good 3 – 6 hours just on the road with PowerFC, just editing / remembering which points to edit / change, its very much trial and error with no real time tuning support or negative feed back…. very few people have the time, knowledge or memory to tune PowerFC’s correctly… even thow they re very popular with Nissans ! sadly its one of the better options….just its sad 2 see so many poorly tuned units out there..

The Apexi laptop software (not publicly released) apparently is better with more functions but iv never seen this software in action, then you have all the datalogic software made by some software guru’s which is kinda publicly available but you still need to buy the software / cable / adaptor etc

Regards James

[ek004]

yeah cams are already in the car, got my stock cams sittin in my room.

i see most favour hondata here =)
who else tunes hondata from sydney?

Speak to Adrian from Toda Racing Australia.

He will give you his thoughts and then you can decide what you wanna do from there as well as others input,

Get Adrian to tune it :thumbsup:

[CHU85]

Go the MICROTECH! hahaha
nah seriously, if i did it again (which i might) go the hondata or the Autronic.
In saying that, nothing wrong with the microtech. My car drives fine and cold starts are no probs.

[crx_boy7]

is hondata just a programable chip or is it an aktual stand alone ecu-in a box?
how much is it to dynotune? and how much is the product?
can it run 2 different boost settings?- hi and low?
and y get cams for a turbo if turbo cams are aktually opening less
all u realy need is hi boost valvesprings



boost and auto ??????????????u got me

[BLKCRX]

Hondata is many things, dependent on the year of the car, although the powerfulness of the technology behind it is the same on all aspects. Hondata in most cases is the reverse engineered technology of the Honda ECU tuning it into a fully programmable in every aspect full feature ECU, with no limitations, there also are full plug and play options available for all cars, feel free to contact me if you want any specific information.

Dealer locations can be found here http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/ click on the state that your from or feel free to contact me directly for pricing and to point you towards your closest dealer, or call me ( or anyone else reading this) on 0417 875 785 for any help advice or information or tuning advice.

Like many ECU’s they can control as many different boost settings as your boost controller allows you to set, in the case of your setup you mentioned in your other post yes hondata will control your duel stage turbosmart boost controller, this can be activated in almost any way you dream of. Via a switch, as a simple on / off, or via certain driving conditions, ie changing boost levels gear dependent, speed dependent or rpm dependent, or throttle dependent, or a combination of any of the above settings, along with the addition of many other features.

As for your question regarding turbo and cams, and valve springs, you kinda have the idea of what valve springs do, and what cam’s do wrong In short valve spring are there to snap shut the valve upon when the cam lobe is not pushing the valve open, the duration of the cam ( ie cam size) is important in changing how long the valve is open for and how much air is forced into the cylinder at any point. Either way the valve spring must match the cam’s to support different lobe sizes, boost doesn’t really come into the equation.

Hope that helps answer your questions…

Regards James