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Vivski
19-05-2005, 09:30 PM
Seperate thread for discussion about practice, qualifying and the race, no?

What's going to happen in this year's race? Who's going to win?
Schumacher, Alonso, Trulli again?

How many cars will finish?

Something I'm going to be looking at is the lap times. I'll be comparing them to last year's. 'Cos if there's any track where the new tyre rule will slow the cars down, it's here at Monaco! I will be amazed if they can bang in 1:14:XX's or even low 1:15:XX's on tyres which have to last the entire race.

I dare say, I think the Renaults will be very hard to beat here. If they get the top row of the grid, they'll be hell to pass with their launches and drive out of the slow corners. And I'd say Kimi will post the fastest times of the race but constantly be caught behind people and have really bad luck from the fuel stops.

A LOT will depend on qualifying. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few costly mistakes during qualifying, 'cos everyone will be absolutely on the limit.

And look out whoever qualifies infront of Ralf. I reckon he's going to torpedo someone on the first lap. :p

That's what my crystal ball says. What does your's say?

Javed
20-05-2005, 12:48 AM
I think the Renaults will hold the advantage at Monaco. Having said that I do not like Fisi or his driving. Alonso up the front, Kimi front row possibly too.I wouldn't mind seeing JPM haul some ass, pity button isnt in, he did so well here last year!!!

Vivski
20-05-2005, 01:00 AM
Yeah, Button was close wasn't he? 2nd just behind Trulli in the Renault I think.

Javed
20-05-2005, 01:59 AM
Yep and was beating Alonso behind him I think it was?

Hondavirgin
20-05-2005, 09:02 AM
whats wrong with Fisi's driving, the guys damn fast (as evidenced by Melbourne and Barcelona, where he would have left Alonso far behind but for the damage). haha, then again, maybe i'm biased....

Times for Free 2:

1. 5 ALONSO Renault M 1'15"835 158.555 Km/h
2. 35 WURZ McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"912 + 0'00"077
3. 14 COULTHARD RedBull Cosworth M 1'16"184 + 0'00"349
4. 6 FISICHELLA Renault M 1'16"519 + 0'00"684
5. 10 MONTOYA McLaren Mercedes M 1'16"534 + 0'00"699
6. 9 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'16"558 + 0'00"723
7. 15 LIUZZI RedBull Cosworth M 1'16"640 + 0'00"805
8. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas M 1'16"914 + 0'01"079
9. 17 R.SCHUMACHER Toyota M 1'16"989 + 0'01"154
10. 38 ZONTA Toyota M 1'17"046 + 0'01"211
11. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'17"170 + 0'01"335
12. 7 WEBBER Williams BMW M 1'17"422 + 0'01"587
13. 16 TRULLI Toyota M 1'17"487 + 0'01"652
14. 11 VILLENEUVE Sauber Petronas M 1'17"506 + 0'01"671
15. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'17"663 + 0'01"828
16. 8 HEIDFELD Williams BMW M 1'17"667 + 0'01"832
17. 37 KLIEN RedBull Cosworth M 1'18"815 + 0'02"980
18. 39 DOORNBOS Jordan Toyota B 1'19"526 + 0'03"691
19. 20 FRIESACHER Minardi Cosworth B 1'19"587 + 0'03"752
20. 18 MONTEIRO Jordan Toyota B 1'20"284 + 0'04"449
21. 19 KARTHIKEYAN Jordan Toyota B 1'21"879 + 0'06"044
22. 21 ALBERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"162 + 0'06"327

Good work by Wurz i reckon, not having a race drive and all, he's done a lot of good for his career over the last few races, maybe get a race drive next season?

Schumacher's gonna have to pick up his game if he wants points in this one, like's been said, if the Renault's are on the first two rows you'll be hard pressed to get them, they are probably one of the few teams with a car that might be able to pass given their drive out of corners, maybe into the Swimming Pool chicane?

Anyways, I expect a podium for Fisi from this one (fingers crossed and touch wood :D )

civ_sik
20-05-2005, 09:09 AM
Yep and was beating Alonso behind him I think it was?

alonso crashed out last year whilst leading remeber, think it was caused by ralf of someone, wasnt really his fault... remember michael and juan last year crashing behind the saftey car lol in the tunnel...

JDM.Power
20-05-2005, 04:31 PM
montoya will have the win..thats if he gets front row
its a hard pick between fisi an alonso! but if they have the front row. and get the best launch like always one of them will win for sure. its to hard 2 pass in monaco.
who ever comes first in the first turn. has the chance of wininng.
thats if there is no crash at the frist corner!

Javed
20-05-2005, 05:05 PM
Well, the passing could be done in the pitstops if peeps are close enough.

LUD02C
21-05-2005, 05:19 PM
Yeh, we agreed on a seperate thread for each GP and I think its a good idea.

After watching Eurosportnews for a few days and seeing interviews with Ross Brawn, Montoya, Kimi, Alonso, Fisichella and Schumacher.

I reckon McLaren 1-2 with Schumacher 3rd if everything plays out right in my book.

Renault will be good off the start, but Alonso will push too hard and either hit someone and break his suspension or just crash out and Fisichella will have terminal engine problems.

Crash will go to.......MARK WEBBER.
I hate to say it.
But after seeing him this year whenever someone is behind him he just doesn't consentrate on the car infront, instead he lives in his mirrors.
Remember Bahrain?
If that track had close walls like Monaco he would be seriously injuried.
I can see a Red Bull or Sauber pushing hard behind him and him making a bad mistake.

Also think its going to either a great weekend or terrible weekend for Toyota.
Not sure yet, see after Qualifying 1.

Anyone see these pictures?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/44480.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/44593.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/44622.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/44482.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/44490.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/diapo_132.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/44590.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/diapo_144.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/domenic9/diapo_151.jpg

Vivski
21-05-2005, 10:06 PM
WOOAAAAAHHHH!!! KIMI!!!
1:13.6 That is incredible!

So he's now got 0.5s of a buffer to Alonso. He can now fuel himself up for the second run and as long as he stays on the front row, he can tail Alonso (who will probably beat him into turn 1) until he has to pit.

And Webber, great lap! 2nd row so far is a very impressive start! I wonder what they'll do with fuel for the 2nd qualifying session. You have to assume Fisi and Juan will get him in qualifying tomorrow. Fingers crossed he can hang on to it. Even if he hangs on to 3rd, Fisi will be straight past him in the drag to the 1st corner.

Ralfy, Ralfy, Ralfy. **shakes head** Well that's his race over already.
I wonder what it feels like to slam into the wall at 150km/h.

Very exciting!

Vivski
21-05-2005, 10:07 PM
Something I'm going to be looking at is the lap times. I'll be comparing them to last year's. 'Cos if there's any track where the new tyre rule will slow the cars down, it's here at Monaco! I will be amazed if they can bang in 1:14:XX's or even low 1:15:XX's on tyres which have to last the entire race.
Well, so much for that idea. Kimi just did a 1:13.6
I can't believe they're faster, despite the new rubber and aero rules.

zen
21-05-2005, 11:48 PM
Ok its not a technical post but all i wana say is that Monaco and Melbourne are by far the best tracks Oon the GP circuit. cant wait to watch it !!!

^^v
22-05-2005, 01:47 AM
PABLO blamed for the crash involving Ralph Schumacher
LOL deja vu... if u all remember bak to last year in the tunnel :wave:




Montoya stripped of his starting position
Stewards penalise Montoya from practice crash
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Montoya's weekend has taken a turn for the
worse as he starts at the back of the grid
Juan Pablo Montoya will start from the back of the grid in Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix after Stewards deemed he was to blame for an accident during second practice on Saturday morning.

The Stewards said the McLaren Mercedes driver was at fault after he slowed down in front of Ralf Schumacher's Toyota, causing him to brake hard. This, in turn, forced Jacques Villeneuve and David Coulthard to become involved in a multiple collision.

The sport's governing body said in a statement 'Juan Pablo Montoya was driving unnecessarily slowly in a very fast part of the track and thereby caused a completely avoidable accident.'

But Montoya, who had finished fifth fastest in the later qualifying session, denied causing the incident and protested: "I am really disappointed that there was any action taken against it. I was going up the hill, following very close. Ralf got in front and nearly hit me and when I did that I moved in front of him. But the only reason I pulled in front was because I was behind Ralf and he slowed down. People assume I did a brake test but the only reason I moved was to avoid an accident. When I look at it the only person who didn't move out of the way of the accident was Coulthard."

"I am really frustrated because we are all working really hard and I thought I had a really good chance of having a successful race. It is very unfair."

Stewards said that video evidence was 'not very conclusive' and called for data to be presented to them from both the FIA and from on-board telemetry from Montoya's McLaren car. They said the data showed that Montoya slowed down 180 metres ahead of his normal braking point into the section and continued at the same speed he was running when he headed into of turn two.

In the statement they revealed: 'On Montoya's fast lap the speed at this point of the incident 'was 278.3km/h and in the lap involving the incident the speed was 86.4km/h.'

Both Coulthard and Schumacher provided independent statements that matched up, saying that they left the pits with Schumacher leading Coulthard when Montoya approached from the rear on a fast lap.


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Coulthard's Red Bull Cosworth blocks the
street circuit following heavy contact
He was delayed 'in a minor manner' and the statement said both drivers stated he 'took exception to his lap being disturbed and subsequently drove unnecessarily slowly in a very fast part of the track.'

Villeneuve, who was also on a fast lap, was unable to stop and he hit the rear of Coulthard's Red Bull Racing machine, which then slewed into Schumacher's car while Montoya continued on unscathed.

Coulthard was happy Montoya was penalised for the incident. "Montoya gesticulated at Ralf just before turn three near the Casino and it ended in a multi-car pile-up."

Schumacher also protested and said: "I stayed well within the yellow lines and for whatever reason I held him up. Basically he brake tested me, and held me up. I am sure he didn't believe someone could crash but it just wasn't necessary."

Montoya admitted he had slowed down because his lap had been ruined but claimed his decision to brake at that point was made so that Villeneuve could get past to continue his flying lap. But McLaren team boss Ron Dennis, whose other driver Kimi Raikkonen is on provisional pole, said: "Juan Pablo will now be looking to finish in the top eight, which is not what this team is about, and it is disappointing. There is not an appeal process, so there is nothing we can do. It was in a practice session, which counts for nothing, and incidents are part of Grand Prix racing."

It was also a disastrous day for Schumacher, who will now have to start alongside Montoya at the back of the grid because he crashed into the barriers on his later flying lap in first qualifying.

Source AFP


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^^v
22-05-2005, 01:51 AM
Same ol story here lolz...



Ferrari struggle for grip and speed
Monaco GP - Ferrari - Qualifying 1
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Tough times for Ferrari at Monte Carlo
Ferrari driver's Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher qualified in tenth and 11th position respectively today at Monaco. The team will try and salvage something from the second qualifying session tomorrow morning, but the team are suffering with a fundamental lack of grip around the streets of Monte Carlo.

Barrichello recorded a 1:16.142 while Schumacher was a little slower on a 1:16.186. The team are some 2.5 seconds off the pace over a single lap and face a long race Sunday afternoon.

Rubens Barrichello
“I had a good start to my lap, the balance of the car was reasonable, but the fact I did not make a run on new tyres this morning meant I did not have a feel for them straight away. We knew we would be struggling particularly here at Monaco with our one lap performance – a problem that has been with us all season. This is not a problem that we can sort overnight, even if the work we have done has seen us improve by tenths of a second at a time. But this is not a disaster: I have won with Ferrari in the past, I have lost with Ferrari in the past and we will win again. I don’t think we can improve much in second qualifying, but we know that in the race, after fighting for grip on the opening lap, we will have a strong package.”


Michael Schumacher
“This was definitely not a good session for us and obviously, I am disappointed. This morning we were only about 0.7 to 0.8 too slow, but this afternoon the gap was much bigger. We know we are not so good when it comes to our one lap performance and the fact I went out quite early in the session meant the track was very slippery and so it was even more of a handicap. Tomorrow’s qualifying will probably be the same situation, with little chance to improve. However, in race trim the car is much better and we will have to see what strategy we can come up with to make the most of that fact. In general terms, we just have to keep working hard to improve.”

Jean Todt
“There is not much to say: it was a very disappointing qualifying. We are a very long way off the quickest times, mainly due to a lack of grip. In this modern era of Formula 1, overtaking is already difficult enough, but on this track it is virtually impossible, which means that being down towards the back of the grid is a considerable handicap for the race. Obviously, anything can happen and we know that, over a race distance, our package is more competitive than on the single lap. However, tomorrow we face an uphill struggle, but we will not throw in the towel and will do all we can to get the most out of this situation.”

Ross Brawn
“The track here at Monaco always picks up a lot more grip as the session goes on and we did not go out at a very good time. Having said that, we seemed to find even less grip than we had this morning, which indicates that the other cars running on the track during our break did not help the situation. Our drivers were struggling to get grip on the first lap. We do have a very good race set-up, but it is going to be a difficult afternoon, unless we can make up a few places in tomorrow morning’s qualifying. The drivers are reasonably happy with the cars which are quite well balanced.”

E.A.
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Vivski
22-05-2005, 02:28 AM
Guess who's going to be fuelled up big time!!

Juan Pablo... what goes around, comes around.

LUD02C
22-05-2005, 10:09 AM
This is the same as last year with Schumacher (as someone has already said)
Montoya was going slower then expected and Michael hit him from behind.

There has to be a reason why he was going slow, and this won't sit well with Ron Dennis.
He will be one pissed off manager!

jackosimm
22-05-2005, 11:51 AM
those pic's on the first page are FANTASTIC. christ thats a beautiful spot, great stuff. Wonder if after a few laps, the bridgestones warm up more, and Ferrari are back on the pace (or atleast closer to it) cause this is dismall stuff

Javed
22-05-2005, 05:23 PM
Ferrari has no chance, sorry blokes but its Monaco.

jackosimm
22-05-2005, 06:01 PM
yeh Im tipping the Renaults with their traction control, Ferrari's too far down I think to make any huge gains...:thumbdwn: although, God can perform Miracles lol. ooo live timing now on:thumbsup:

pornstar
22-05-2005, 07:11 PM
Ferrari has no chance, monaco or whereever :P

LUD02C
22-05-2005, 07:12 PM
Ferrari has no chance, monaco or whereever :P

After this race, new qualifying, Michael on pole.
Your money becomes my money!
HA HA HA HA HA HA

Ferrari and Schumacher = UNSTOPPABLE!

Hey pornstar, where's BAR?:p

pornstar
22-05-2005, 07:12 PM
Giving Ferrari a headstart, cos they need it ;)

Javed
22-05-2005, 07:50 PM
Ahaha, this sucks, I hate ferrari, but Jason supports Arsenal, so I cannot give him shit anymore. Why couldn't you just be a Man U supporter so I could own you in everything? :P

bigteethygrin
23-05-2005, 12:11 AM
another poor start for webber.. pretty dissappointing..

but how good do those storm trooper helmets look on the red bull pit crew!

pornstar
23-05-2005, 01:59 AM
Well, MS did get a point, thats i think giving 3 points way to FA's lead over the championship... What am I going to do with that 5 bucks Jase ;)

^^v
23-05-2005, 02:08 AM
man that wuz an interesting race (edit: esp with jenson being guest commentator ahahaha).. wuz on the edge of my seat for the last quater...kinda glad the renaults were off the podium :D
n good on webber! nice to see the williams get a 2 3...

kimi looked unstoppable... wonder if mclaren can carry this pace for the remainder of the season...

rofl anyone else see the red bull mech's helmets ahahahahaa... storm troopers :P

oh well just over 6 days till Nurburgring.. should be a good one with the two BAR's bak.. :D

Hondavirgin
23-05-2005, 08:56 AM
OMG! Webber passed someone!!!!!!!!!! i quickly looked around for any flying pigs when that happened....... after another shocking start (don't give me this crap about his car being the problem, if his car was the problem at the start how did Heidfeld catch right up to him?). Great race by Kimi too, when he's in the groove he's so fast its crazy.

I was kinda devastated though after the safety car, when fisi had to queue up and went from a strong 3rd to 8th, why would you do that? in hindsight would have been better to leave him out there and let him chase after kimi in some clear air, and build a gap, he could have easily got the gap for a stop needed....... might have even had enough to allow him to hold on with his bald rear tyres (another one of the worst things i've seen, fisi being hung out to dry). Seriously, i've never seen tyre wear that bad before.

Great work by Heidfeld too, showed up his more fancied team mate (admittedly only got past coz pitted first) but then did a much cleaner pass on alonso too, none of this hopping across the kerb stuff.

Whats with Villeneuve too? taking them both out of points positions, idiot.

and those storm trooper helmets were so cool on the Red Bull pit crew haha.

nEUROtic
23-05-2005, 11:16 AM
Yeah, oh yee of little faith. Kimi ****ed shit up. He will destroy all this season! Just need alonso to have his fair share of crappy races (like kimi's imola). And good on webber, just sucks he didnt get past alonso quick enuff, heidfelds open air cost him second. Oh well. Next time gadget, next time.....

Javed
23-05-2005, 11:22 AM
Very good race towards the end, however the reason Webber's pass on Alonso was not as easy was due to Heidfeld passing alonso as he was approachiong a backmarker and kinda caught alonso sleeping. After that Alonso would have been on FULL defensive mode to hold that last spot on the podium. Given the track and circumstances I believe Webber did EXTREMELY well. Monaco is such a bitch, I would know cos I have played it on GP 4 many a time:P muahahaha. Kimi's pace was fantastic, hope he can keep it up and challenfe for the championship! And did you see the tyre wear on the Renaults? That heavy fuel load and balance problems just ate them to nothing!

tRipitaka
23-05-2005, 11:44 AM
another poor start for webber.. pretty dissappointing..

but how good do those storm trooper helmets look on the red bull pit crew!

got pics of this ?
sounds interesting..

Hondavirgin
23-05-2005, 12:05 PM
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/

if you look on the right there's a whats new folder and a link to pics of the monaco gp, there's some pics on the first page.

And i didn't notice alonso braking any later or positioning his car any different when Webber got him to when Heidfeld got him, he couldn't have anyways, his car was on the limit of traction....

Jus-10
23-05-2005, 12:32 PM
Not a bad race at all...

Whilst I don't agree with some of the rule changes, you have to admit that this season is pretty damn exciting. You just don't know what is going to happen....I mean, even Monaco had me on the edge of my seat!

Who else here was holding their breath as Webber shot down the inside of Alonso...just waiting to see if he made it????

But good on him! And good on Heidfield too...awesome, awesome pass on Alonso.

And Trulli...sacrificing his car so the rest could get past the failing Renault...what a team player!

When is Ferrari going to sort out their qualifying? Fastest lap to Schumey....I want to see him up there mixing it with the McLarens and the Renaults on a level field...THAT will be some awesome racing. Can't have Kimi having too easy a job up front can we!?

But those McLarens are looking lethal...they obviously have got everything sorted....they even make JPM look like he knows what he is doing :P But if they keep on like this, they are going to take alot of beating...

Bring on Hokkenheim!

weezer
23-05-2005, 12:45 PM
What an awesome finish!

But this was my highlight.....

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/monaco/diapo_314.jpg

^^v
23-05-2005, 12:46 PM
got pics of this ?
sounds interesting..

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/monaco/diapo_315.jpg

nEUROtic
23-05-2005, 12:52 PM
Yeh I'm surprised they didnt question alonso ditching across the chicane, not once but twice. I would have loved another 3 laps to see montoya and him wrestling for it. I think montoya had a good race considering the circumstances.

The renaults have heaps of torque and just eat tyres on corner exit. Its not a problem at high speed races (Montreal and Hockenheim i think are gonna be renault territory) but when u have little twisty tracks like this the sideways forces are just devouring the tyres. They had hard compounds on as well, compared to kimi's soft. The mclaren really must be an excellent package atm! 2 totally different races and 2 firsts. Three poles!

I think fisichella is totally overated as a driver. Alonso is clearly lightyears ahead of him. Fisichella was always touted as the silky smooth turn in guy, the one that would have a really good advantage this year coz he would look after his tyres more than alonso. Last night was not the first time we have seen fisichella destroy his tyres (malaysia, into webber coz of no grip). Alonso obviously had the same problem, but his tyres werent AS bad, and he did a lot better only losing 2 places instead of 7.

Also did everyone like jensons commentary? I thought it was awesome to have that insight there :) He wasnt the total wanker I thought he was gonna be either!

Hondavirgin
23-05-2005, 03:24 PM
I think fisichella is totally overated as a driver. Alonso is clearly lightyears ahead of him. Fisichella was always touted as the silky smooth turn in guy, the one that would have a really good advantage this year coz he would look after his tyres more than alonso. Last night was not the first time we have seen fisichella destroy his tyres (malaysia, into webber coz of no grip). Alonso obviously had the same problem, but his tyres werent AS bad, and he did a lot better only losing 2 places instead of 7.

lightyears ahead? i don't reckon, the reason he only lost 2 places instead of 7 was that he didn't get hung out on the edge of a queue of 5 cars, he lost those 7 places in one overtaking maneuver over the loews through to the tunnel sequence. And they caught alonso at the same pace they ditched fisi (about 4 or 5 seconds a lap). Also, fisi was quicker in Barcelona than alonso, and quicker in Australia.....

Martin said the renault's were on the softs as well as McLaren, was Williams on the hards i thought.

Vivski
23-05-2005, 04:50 PM
Great race! I really enjoyed it. Kept me interested all the way 'til the end.

Wow, did those Renault suffer! Soft tyres, FULL of fuel, twisty track = munched tyres.

Webber had a great race and good on him and Williams. He should have had 2nd by all rights, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. He'll be on for even better finishes now that Williams seem to have their shit together. Although they still need more grunt out of that engine.
Heidfeld also had a great race and thoroughly deserved 2nd place. He's been pretty good all season. He'd do himself a big favour if he could qualify as well as Webber. He's always caught back in the pack.

And as for Webber's start. You can't say it's Webber's fault. The driver does sweet f all in the start. You hold the clutch button, then hold the launch button, put the foot down, then when the light goes green you let go of the clutch button. Williams just hasn't got it right. And it ****s Webber up every time and spoils his awesome qualifying.

Full credit to Kimi and McLaren. That was awesome. Qualifying, then getting clear for his pit stop, and from then on he wasn't tested.
Also well done to Montoya. Great effort to get up to 5th.

And HAHA to Michael Schumacher. He was obviously FAST, but for once he was unlucky and got caught in the accident and then stuck behind the safety car.

Vivski
23-05-2005, 05:28 PM
It was a lot easier to put the tips in without having to worry about BAR!

nEUROtic
23-05-2005, 05:36 PM
lightyears ahead? i don't reckon, the reason he only lost 2 places instead of 7 was that he didn't get hung out on the edge of a queue of 5 cars, he lost those 7 places in one overtaking maneuver over the loews through to the tunnel sequence. And they caught alonso at the same pace they ditched fisi (about 4 or 5 seconds a lap). Also, fisi was quicker in Barcelona than alonso, and quicker in Australia.....


Bah, faster in Australia my ass. He got luck in qualifying, then had clear air the entire race. Alonso went from 13th to 3rd, a far better race. And faster in barcelona? Grid Alonso 3rd, finished 2nd. Grid fisi 6th, finished 5th. Both went up a place, but alonso was obviously faster in qualifying under equal conditions.

jackosimm
23-05-2005, 06:03 PM
It was a lot easier to put the tips in without having to worry about BAR!

there never in the top 8 anyway:p

pornstar
23-05-2005, 06:07 PM
Serious Question after reading other forums etc, Apparently Micheal Stupidmacher overtook Rubens Barrichello on the final lap. Isnt there a Ferrari rule that after the second pit stops the Ferraris are not to overtake each other?

I mean Rubens been respecting that rule for ages now, and to hear that MS didnt, it just shows what sort of guy he is.

Also was told that MS ran wide of the ylw line from pit lane exit, and didnt receive a penalty for this?

Again, I guess when the rules support Ferrari, and MS, what can you expect? Well I'd expect better than 7th, but hey :P

Hondavirgin
23-05-2005, 06:28 PM
Bah, faster in Australia my ass. He got luck in qualifying, then had clear air the entire race. Alonso went from 13th to 3rd, a far better race. And faster in barcelona? Grid Alonso 3rd, finished 2nd. Grid fisi 6th, finished 5th. Both went up a place, but alonso was obviously faster in qualifying under equal conditions.

yeah, but Fisi only finished that low in Barcelona coz something on his car broke and forced him to slow for half a lap and then pit, when he then fought back from 13th to 5th, when he got the damage he was in a true second position and pulling away from Alonso, and then after the damage was fixed he was again faster than alonso, fastest lap of all on the last lap.

i saw that thing with shcumacher's wheel, was borderline though, maybe a couple of mm, having said that, i've seen ppl picked up on that before.

And Webber's starts, i would give him believe it was 100% the car's fault if it wasn't every time and if it was consistently both Williams having bad starts, but in Monaco Heidfeld (in an identical car) caught right up on him.....and Webber has a bad start every time.

As for Ferrari team orders, i think team orders would only come in when a championship was being fought for....

Vivski
23-05-2005, 06:40 PM
I don't see how Webber could stuff up the start, there's nothing to stuff up! It's all automated, so you and I could launch an F1 perfectly!
Don't know why Heidfeld would get a better start. I'm pretty sure he's had all the same problems as Webber everywhere else.

And yes, I saw that. He wasn't just on the line, he was over it! You only have to touch it to get a penalty! They're usually really strict on this, yet Michael got away with it. No idea what's going on there!

pornstar
23-05-2005, 08:24 PM
As if u have no idea viv, its another one of thsoe rules one for ferrari, and another for the rest.

Hondavirgin, if its only for the World championship involved, then is RB just there to fill the void? Its not fair for Rubens cos MS isnt far from him, why cant RB take what is his by right, oh wait cos MS is g0d that needs gifts from his teammate to win.

LUD02C
23-05-2005, 08:42 PM
Michael was on Rubens tail thew whole way round the last lap, and if you watch it when Montoya goes for it so does Michael and Rubens cuts him off.

Great race, this year is fantastic.
Monaco, usually boring but this year drivers have showed us they can actually race around a tight track and pass.

Heinfeld, smart guy.
Came in early, he saw what was happening and took advantage of it.
His pass on Alonso was clean, smooth and you'd think Michael did it :p

Jenson on the commentry team was good, I liked him being honest.
He was joking about Webber being a bad passer and other cars being not so good.

WELL DONE MARK WEBBER.
Alonso should of let him have position after that move, Webber had right of way.

Webber reckons his clutch is crap on the start, but McLaren have proven that not only Renault have a quick car off the start.

The tyres on Renaults car were amazing, the crash with the Minardi is just bad luck, but played beautifully into Kimi's hands.

Good to see Renualt not score a lot of points and BMW jumping up in the championship.

I updated the tips, I had a shocker!

bigteethygrin
23-05-2005, 08:53 PM
heidfield had a good start!.. i know its all automated but there is still a level of reaction time involved.. heidfield showed that a good driver can overcome a poor car.. webber should learn the same and be helpful to his engineers and team rather than shooting the car down everytime.

webber could also enjoy coming 3rd abit more than he did.. it wasnt 2nd like he wanted but its still his first ever podium.. the guy could really learn to lighten up a little.

Kawasaki
23-05-2005, 08:54 PM
Hey Lud02c just thought id let you know that i got 2 tips right :D, you only gave me 1, kimi and barrichello.

Ill send you pm tho

Cheers

Woo BAR are back next round! now i can watch it again

LUD02C
23-05-2005, 08:58 PM
Steve, sorry about that mate.
All fixed now.
I was talking to my brother when I was doing it and looked what happened.
Your first now you bastard :p

jackosimm
23-05-2005, 09:56 PM
summarised that race very well jase lol in the post before.
I did enjoy Jensons commontating, was an interesting race I gotta say, respect to them all, you must have to be on your toe's the entire race around the circuit:thumbsup:

Javed
23-05-2005, 10:47 PM
In all honesty guys, I think the williams only benefitted at Monaco because of the track type and layout. I dont think they have really improved the package enough yet. Alonsos tyres went to shit because of the HUGE fuel load he threw in, over 100 kg's of fuel is massive! You saw the camber on the wheels because of that load! As for the McLaren cars, oooo baby, all i can say is GAME ON! With BARHonda back next round, I really think Nurburgring is gonna be a spectacle!

Vivski
23-05-2005, 10:48 PM
Anyone who survives 100mins around that track is an awesome driver in my book. Withstanding the G-forces, concentrating so hard, going centimetres from the walls... sounds tiring. But also, to the driver in me, it sounds like Heaven! :p

Vivski
23-05-2005, 10:51 PM
You're right Javed. I think the Williams team still has a lot of work to do. They still don't have the engine right. But apart from that, they look very good now, very well balanced as opposed to earlier in the season. They're on the right track.

It might be a different story at the Nurbergring... it's a very fast circuit and will probably be advantage Renault.

pornstar
24-05-2005, 12:38 AM
I dont know Viv, I think the williams has improved, I reckon that it just cos they never got to show their real pace behind trulli, and then behind alonso.

Vivski
24-05-2005, 12:05 PM
You may be right Andy, but I'll need to see the top speeds at the Nurbergring to be convinced.

Hondavirgin
24-05-2005, 02:13 PM
I predict webber will lose at least two places at the start, get "stuck" behind a toyota, not make any attempt to pass and complain that that ruined his race....

Whislt Kimi will streak off into the distance early, Alonso will be close behind, Fisi and Montoya after that, and Schumey with them (it is the home track after all, and he's very good there).

bigteethygrin
24-05-2005, 03:09 PM
Why complain when you are stuck behind another car?? I thought that the idea behind racing is to overtake the car in front.. if you cant do it then no point crying about it.

LUD02C
24-05-2005, 04:41 PM
I know Williams only got 2-3 cause of others misfortune.
But so happy for Mark Webber and Heinfeld what a drive.

Watch Montoya and Kimi at Nurburgring, Spa and the other high speed tracks.
Remember Imola?
Thats the fastest track and Kimi was streaking ahead.

LUD02C
24-05-2005, 05:00 PM
http://www.sniffpetrol.com/AdCoulthard.jpgNow that is funny

Hondavirgin
24-05-2005, 05:10 PM
Why complain when you are stuck behind another car?? I thought that the idea behind racing is to overtake the car in front.. if you cant do it then no point crying about it.

exactly.

hahaha, i want to order the Coulthard plate, harsh, but funny....

jackosimm
24-05-2005, 07:02 PM
lol 'very authentic, crack under pressure' hahahaha!

Vivski
24-05-2005, 11:05 PM
Haha, that's fantastic! "10 years of adequacy in F1"

nEUROtic
26-05-2005, 10:48 PM
Kimi three in a row WOOOH!