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LUD02C
21-05-2005, 04:59 PM
New thread to discuss things in, should be a lot of talk with Monaco coming up tomorrow!

LUD02C
21-05-2005, 05:20 PM
To kick start this thread.
You ready all?



From f1-live.com

Monaco could well host the final Sunday
qualifying session of the season

Formula One teams reached unanimous agreement at Monaco on Friday to change qualifying to a single session and hope to introduce the new system in time for next weekend's European Grand Prix. The team chiefs met here Friday to discuss a way to alter the current system, which sees the grid decided by aggregate times from two laps on Saturday and Sunday and has been unpopular with teams and the media.

The new system will see just one session run on Saturday afternoon, the traditional slot for qualifying, and the running order will be decided on the results of the previous race with the winner running last in the session.

The proposal has been put to the Formula One Commission and the World Council in a fax vote and the FIA said the results should be through in time to change for the next race at the Nurburgring.



"These people are all over the world and sometimes people don't answer immediately, so we have to wait until we have enough votes," said FIA President Max Mosley. "Now it is a question of whether we can get the World Council and the Formula One commission to agree. I hope (it is a formality) and I think so, and I am trying to get it done for the Nurburgring."

The current system has been continually criticised by the drivers and on Thursday, before the decision was made, world champion Michael Schumacher said: "I would prefer to go back to one qualifying session. I think that is reasonable but then it would be nice to stick with that qualifying for once. If we change it now hopefully we wont change it again and again."

The change is yet another in a long list of modifications to qualifying, which began with the introduction of one-lap qualifying two-and-a-half years ago after a switch from the traditional best of 12 laps in an hour solution. The single lap qualifying has always had two sessions and when initially introduced the first session, run on a Friday, simply decided the running order for the second session on the Saturday.

The two sessions were run consecutively on a Saturday last year and this year, another new system was introduced with the times from both sessions, now run on Saturday and Sunday, combined to decide the grid positions. Mosley admitted the latest solution was not ideal but insisted the format must stop changing.

"We shall have to see how it goes, but there are always going to be discussions. The thing is, there are lots of very good ideas but getting everyone to agree is tricky. The trouble is you get 10 teams and you have 15 opinions, but maybe something will come up. What a lot of people were talking about was taking the times from the final part of free practice on the Saturday morning and making that the order for qualifying."

"I quite like that, because they would be running empty tanks and they would be under pressure to go quick. But in the end we had to find something that everyone agreed to. It is very important to have qualifying on a Saturday because all the press want it but also it irritates the public not knowing who is on pole until the day of the race. If you follow a particular driver and you know he is going to be on pole then you maybe change your plans for Sunday. If he is at the back then you might go and do something completely different, so people need to know."

^^v
21-05-2005, 06:11 PM
bout time :D

Vivski
21-05-2005, 08:18 PM
I like the two qualifying sessions. It adds some spice to it.

Maybe they could do 3 laps on the Saturday session and take the aggregate of the best 2 or something. Just something a little different.
In one lap, you only see each driver once. But in 12 laps, there are a lot of cars on the track and some drivers will suffer from traffic.

^^v
22-05-2005, 01:57 AM
let ur voice be heard! lolz






FIA want to hear your thoughts
On the very future of Formula One
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Max Mosley wants input from race fans
At the beginning of 2005 the FIA initiated a consultation on the future of Formula One. A timetable for the consultation has since been published with an open invitation to all of the stakeholders to participate.

The FIA has always considered the fans of Formula One to be an essential part of this process. As a result, the FIA, backed by AMD, a global technology leader, is launching a new survey to gauge public opinion and to help shape the future of the sport.

“We have been saying for some time that Formula One fans should be consulted and involved in shaping the future of the sport," FIA President max Mosley stated. "I am delighted that with AMD’s support, we now have the opportunity to conduct this research for the first time. I very much look forward to the results and I would encourage everyone interested in Formula One to participate.”

The FIA/AMD Formula One Survey 2005 can be accessed via www.fia.com (http://www.fia.com/) and will be online from Saturday, May 21

LUD02C
22-05-2005, 10:04 AM
My vioce to be heard?

Bring back slicks
Let more aero be allowed
Don't go to V8's

Main three I would say.

jackosimm
22-05-2005, 11:54 AM
the title of your second post Jase was a God send! booya! hope it is indeed.
My three would be,
1. dont go to V8's
2. bring back last years tyre regulations
3. Unlimited Aero!

in that order. My main is the old tyre regulations, when strategy played a huge roll in the race

pornstar
22-05-2005, 07:16 PM
Firstly, Go to a control Tyre, Limit budget spending, reduce aero grip, and increase mechanical grip.

The control tyre really will reduce the cost of testing etc, this gives a fairer change to the playing field. Budget spending, I know i know, why limit if they got the funds etc, well, its in all other forms of sport in terms of salary caps etc etc, why not make it a level playing field. The mechanical grip issue is a problem, but aero grip makes it very hard for overtaking, so for real overtaking mechanical grip is the only real solution.

Jus-10
22-05-2005, 07:30 PM
I think the tyre thing is probably the biggest thing alot of people want back....the strategy just allowed a different dimension to the racing.

Old aero rules

and no V8s!!! - they are for crappy aussie bogan races

Kawasaki
22-05-2005, 07:35 PM
I think the tyre thing is probably the biggest thing alot of people want back....the strategy just allowed a different dimension to the racing.

Old aero rules

and no V8s!!! - they are for crappy aussie bogan races

Do bogan V8's rev to 20k? :D

Id like to see tyres back the most

Jus-10
22-05-2005, 07:52 PM
HAHA..true Kawasaki...I was taking a VERY high-level analysis!

Next thing you know, Max is going to turn them in to electric powered cars, or running on hydrogen or some crap like that.

^^v
22-05-2005, 08:02 PM
Next thing you know, Max is going to turn them in to electric powered cars, or running on hydrogen or some crap like that.

i can so see that happening in the next 10 years or so...

Kawasaki
22-05-2005, 08:12 PM
technicolour dream coats and flower power! F1 2020

Vivski
23-05-2005, 04:29 PM
Why do you want unlimited aero? What would be the point of that? There are some huge benefits of reducing aero.

- more overtaking
- more sliding
- more skill
- less speed = safer
- makes them focus on better mechanical grip (as Andy said) which could actually improve OUR cars in the future. Focussing on getting the grip in the suspension, tyres, diffs... that technology will help our cars.

Jus-10
23-05-2005, 05:41 PM
less speed = boring!

Everyone knows that the drivers are potentially putting their lives on the line every time they go out, but in all seriousness, is lopping a few seconds a lap off the times of the cars really going to make them that much safer? We're talking the difference between say 320kmh and say 305kmh down a straight....you're still gonna be f*cked up at that pace if you lose it.

I am all for making sure there is a decent element of driver skill involved in the driving as this quickly sorts out the champions from the wannabes.

I think the current setup of rules is relative good if only they would fix the tyre changing and the qualifying....I think the effectiveness of the changes is evident in the sheer diversity and excitement we have seen so far this season.

I think Max gets bored and likes changing things for the sake of it.

jackosimm
23-05-2005, 06:06 PM
yes, less speed = bad. More speed = More overtaking....think about it lol.;)

Vivski
23-05-2005, 06:06 PM
Well, with less downforce, they might even be faster down the straights! (depending on the circuit)
It's more a case of 150km/h in a corner where they'd normally be able to go 180km/h. They're still on the limit though.

I would argue that it's far from boring! Still bloody fast, much more sliding and much closer racing. It's far from being safe but it is slightly safer.
It is a minor factor, but a factor all the same, so I put it on the list.

Vivski
23-05-2005, 06:08 PM
More speed = more overtaking? How do you figure that?

jackosimm
23-05-2005, 06:44 PM
I'm going on the impression some make more speed and others:D

Vivski
23-05-2005, 07:02 PM
Lol, well it's a bit hard to go past someone when you're going slower than them. :p

pornstar
23-05-2005, 08:27 PM
the thing is, even if ur much faster with aero downforce grip rather than mechanical grip, once u reach that zone where u get into the front cars dirty air, the aero downforce doesnt give its full effect, ie once u hit the dirty air its hard to control ur car. Therefore to overtake is really really difficult, u can see this when even the car behind is almost 2 seconds faster (thats alot on the track), that they cant overtake

LUD02C
23-05-2005, 08:44 PM
Your all forgetting, that if the track is new and suits F1 cars like Bahrain, Turkey etc they can be fast and overtake.

Its just the old tracks don't allow it.

jackosimm
23-05-2005, 09:38 PM
good point, good point. And yeah martin and james often talking about how the aero becomes terrible becuase your driving through turbulent air

Vivski
23-05-2005, 10:42 PM
Basically, the car behind goes faster on the straight because it's pushing less air. But if you're behind in the corners... less downforce, less grip, have to go slower. But if you reduce the downforce then it becomes less of a problem.
So you enter the corners right on the tail of the slower car infront, but you have to go slower through the corners so when you hit the straight, they're already going a lot faster.

I get frustrated when someone who is obviously faster gets stuck behind someone for 10 laps. The leader tears away never to be seen again and the race is over before it began. You see these freight trains of faster cars caught behind a slug Toyota. We see it time and time again. It leads to incidents and spectacular desperation, but it's not good racing.

This is just my opinion, obviously you're free to have your own. But I'd much prefer to sacrifice a bit of the downforce, a bit of the speed for closer, more competetive racing with more exciting overtaking. It wouldn't make it like Supercars, 'cos there's still a crapload of brilliant engineering in the cars.

Hondavirgin
24-05-2005, 09:19 AM
yeah, i agree, they need to increase mechanical grip and decrease the aero a bit, although i want them to retain the look of the current cars..... Bring back tyre changes, its cool seeing someone chose softs and have to do three stops but be flat out for those stints., but keep the golden lap qualifying format, i.e. one sessions, one lap, i reckon its a great spectacle....

i always thought it was terrible that they couldn't find a way to police the traction control ban, was great to see them actually have to control the throttle onto out of corners and off the line, rather than just mash it to the floor now and let the computer sort out how much is actually required......

i don't mind switching to V8s, it'll only be a year or so before they are back at the same speeds, I just want them to settle on one format and stick to it, so they can actually start saving costs!

Vivski
24-05-2005, 12:14 PM
The problem with putting skill back in the launch is if someone stuff it up and stalls, you have the potential for a big accident. It still happens even with launch control, but it's something which should be minimised as much as possible.
One solution would be a rolling start. But that takes away from the spectacle too.

At least this way it rewards good engineering. And the way those Renaults get off the line is something special.

Kawasaki
24-05-2005, 12:18 PM
For me the best thing about this year championship is there is no domination by one team, every team almost has an equal shot at a round win.

Hondavirgin
24-05-2005, 03:25 PM
For me the best thing about this year championship is there is no domination by one team, every team almost has an equal shot at a round win.

as long as your a renault or a mclaren :D nah, i think the season is only going to get closer as ferrari, BAR and Williams get their cars together and catch up with the renaults and mclarens....

also, i think we have as many electronic launch malfunctions as we used to have drivers stalling, i liked how the start was an important skill of the driver.

LUD02C
24-05-2005, 04:35 PM
I think Renault have hit a rock, and the pace of the Ferrari AGAIN when they are fueled up is amazing.

If they can get a few things right it would be great racing, Michael, Kimi and Alonso.

The biggest thing that has annoyed me this year is the luck of 2 drivers.
1/ Michael
2/ Juan

Poor Juan, he hurts himself and misses out on valueable points, and then hit with penaulties and whatever else can get in his way.
If his luck changes he can win races, he is just as quick as young Kimi.

I'd be happy if they change the tyre rule and put less aero.
As long as that damm tyre rule changes.

Javed
24-05-2005, 06:45 PM
You ferrari guys are suffering on the tyre rule. bwahahaha.

jackosimm
24-05-2005, 06:59 PM
good point about the launching viv, could cause some dramas again, even though it still hapens.
It will be good once Ferrari, BMW, and Mclaren(sorta) find their feet because it like said, each round is still easily up for grabs. BAR too lol.
True about unlucky Michael and Juan, he should play less tennis and stick to his bike more often:p

Vivski
24-05-2005, 10:57 PM
Everyone's had their share of bad luck so far this season except Alonso. It's been clean sailing for him. Even when things go bad, he scores 4th.
The Williams drivers have driven really well but the car has sucked in races.
The BAR drivers can't take a trick, it was meant to be Button's year!
Toyota hasn't really had the speed so far.
The Ferrari has been a horror for Michael and Rubens.
Juan has paid for his mistakes.
Kimi... well, he's just Kimi... bad luck follows him wherever he goes.
And Fisi has had as many problems as anyone... engine, clutch, etc.

The only person who's escaped is Fernando Alonso. Sun shines out of his arse this season. He'd better make the most of it.

jackosimm
24-05-2005, 10:58 PM
Everyone's had their share of bad luck so far this season except Alonso. It's been clean sailing for him. Even when things go bad, he scores 4th.
The Williams drivers have driven really well but the car has sucked in races.
The BAR drivers can't take a trick, it was meant to be Button's year!
Toyota hasn't really had the speed so far.
The Ferrari has been a horror for Michael and Rubens.
Juan has paid for his mistakes.
Kimi... well, he's just Kimi... bad luck follows him wherever he goes.
And Fisi has had as many problems as anyone... engine, clutch, etc.

The only person who's escaped is Fernando Alonso. Sun shines out of his arse this season. He'd better make the most of it.

well said! Very well said:thumbsup: Like so well said Ive got nothing to add lol

pornstar
24-05-2005, 11:04 PM
well said! Very well said:thumbsup: Like so well said Ive got nothing to add lol

thats cos MS and ferrari arent winning ;)

Vivski
24-05-2005, 11:08 PM
Taking bets... who wants to put money on the BARs blowing engines at the Nurburgring? :p

jackosimm
24-05-2005, 11:32 PM
if it was the old track they wouldnt even be able to put 1 lap in:p

Hondavirgin
25-05-2005, 08:52 AM
if it was the old track they wouldnt even be able to put 1 lap in:p

I don't think any of the cars could make one lap, can't imagine them handling the Carousel without broken suspension haha :D .

I agree with them being likely to blow up in practice/qualifying, and then take the 10 place penalty (is that right?).

nEUROtic
25-05-2005, 09:08 AM
Everyone's had their share of bad luck so far this season except Alonso. It's been clean sailing for him. Even when things go bad, he scores 4th.
The Williams drivers have driven really well but the car has sucked in races.
The BAR drivers can't take a trick, it was meant to be Button's year!
Toyota hasn't really had the speed so far.
The Ferrari has been a horror for Michael and Rubens.
Juan has paid for his mistakes.
Kimi... well, he's just Kimi... bad luck follows him wherever he goes.
And Fisi has had as many problems as anyone... engine, clutch, etc.

The only person who's escaped is Fernando Alonso. Sun shines out of his arse this season. He'd better make the most of it.

I agree with everything. Except I have no sympathy for Michael. It's about time he had a horror season. God knows he has had good luck in the past. How he handles it will be the mark of how good a driver he is. Poor Rubes but, that dude is never gonna get his fifteen minutes, not for want of talent.

AND NURBURGRING!!!! YEAH!!

Its one of my life goals to drive around there, all 147 corners. :) Should be good!

Vivski
25-05-2005, 12:49 PM
Its one of my life goals to drive around there, all 147 corners. :) Should be good!

A mate of mine has done it. You can imagine how jealous I am.

Hondavirgin
25-05-2005, 01:46 PM
A mate of mine has done it. You can imagine how jealous I am.

bastard....closest i can come is GT4.

civ_sik
25-05-2005, 01:50 PM
i think ferrari might have a chance for a win this weekend, either that or kimi... (Go kimi gOOOO)!!!

IRI
25-05-2005, 02:17 PM
(Go kimi gOOOO)!!!


:thumbsup: :wave: :D

jackosimm
25-05-2005, 05:36 PM
I agree with everything. Except I have no sympathy for Michael. It's about time he had a horror season. God knows he has had good luck in the past. How he handles it will be the mark of how good a driver he is. Poor Rubes but, that dude is never gonna get his fifteen minutes, not for want of talent.

AND NURBURGRING!!!! YEAH!!

Its one of my life goals to drive around there, all 147 corners. :) Should be good!

Schuey and Ferrari make their own luck, respect it! Goal of mine too to drive ye ol circuit

Vivski
26-05-2005, 12:18 AM
We should do an OzHonda cruise to the Nurburgring and drive Nordschleife (the old track)! :thumbsup: :d

nEUROtic
26-05-2005, 12:41 AM
Schuey and Ferrari make their own luck, respect it! Goal of mine too to drive ye ol circuit

Ok well far be it for me to have sympathy for sch. So **** him. He has done shit. He hasn't has bad luck he just is shit. LOL. Hardly.

jackosimm
26-05-2005, 08:38 AM
We should do an OzHonda cruise to the Nurburgring and drive Nordschleife (the old track)! :thumbsup: :d

At your expense and Im there!:p

Hondavirgin
26-05-2005, 08:58 AM
Ok well far be it for me to have sympathy for sch. So **** him. He has done shit. He hasn't has bad luck he just is shit. LOL. Hardly.

I have sympathy for anyone that has problems, a good race is one where its one by racing not mechanical failures, therefore its better for everyone to have good mechanical luck. :D


hahaha, ozhonda might need a few more donations for air tickets plus freight for at least 10 cars....

Vivski
26-05-2005, 11:50 AM
We'll steal the Spirit of Tasmania, turbocharge it, put some stickaz on. Then load on our cars and we'll be in Germany in no time!

Hondavirgin
26-05-2005, 12:27 PM
GT wing on the back.

Kawasaki
26-05-2005, 12:35 PM
We'll steal the Spirit of Tasmania, turbocharge it, put some stickaz on. Then load on our cars and we'll be in Germany in no time!

Sounds good to me... here is my artistic design of this event (I was bored :D )

Go Honda-san!

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=500/2516Spiritofvtec.jpg

Vivski
26-05-2005, 02:31 PM
LMAO! Classic!

Javed
26-05-2005, 03:15 PM
Bwahahahah! That Is Pure Golden!

Jus-10
26-05-2005, 03:35 PM
You know in Italy, there is a boat that I am guessing is made by the same cmpany that makes the Spirit of Tasmania (it looks identical) and it is called "Super Fast"

No joke...down the side, instead of "Spirit of Tasmania" it has "Super Fast"...I think that boat is more appropriate....

http://www.ferryconsult.de/pic/mario1.jpg

jackosimm
26-05-2005, 06:15 PM
HAHAHAAHA That is absoloute gold! lol funny stuff lol great pic, love the affect:thumbsup:

LUD02C
27-05-2005, 04:10 PM
Taking bets... who wants to put money on the BARs blowing engines at the Nurburgring? :p

Hey Vivski, how many weeks with same gaskets and all that are they going to be running?
I think 1 engine will go bang in qualifying and the other in the race.

LUD02C
27-05-2005, 04:12 PM
Also, anywon noticed Minardi performance lately?
Getting quicker and quicker, smashed Jordan last 2 GP's.

Also, Eddie Irvine wants to buy jordan and race again.
Go Irvine!

LUD02C
27-05-2005, 04:15 PM
This weekend's European GP will be the first race where a new qualifying system comes into force and although all the team bosses agreed to the change some drivers aren't too sure about it.

The FIA confirmed earlier this week that Sunday qualifying would be scrapped with immediate effect, leaving only the Saturday afternoon session. That will remain an hour-long flying lap shoot-out with the quickest driver starting the grand prix from pole position.

The only change to the Saturday qualifying is that instead of the drivers running with just enough fuel to complete their three laps, they will have to carry the fuel load that they'll start the race with.

"From a competitive point of view, I think we may be penalised slightly with this system," Renault driver Giancarlo Fisichella said.

"The other system favoured the teams that had a strong car and were able to show its performance in both sessions - we have a good car with the R25, so the two-part format definitely helped us in the opening races."

But the 2005 Australian GP pole position holder added: "Overall I do not have any problems with the change - it is very similar to how we did qualifying last year, so it is not a step into the unknown for anybody."

However, Fernando Alonso doesn't seem to be as comfortable with the change as his team-mate is as he's concerned it will impose a hefty penalty on any driver who fails to finish the previous race.

"I think there are pros and cons to the new system," said the Spaniard, who has started two of this year's six races from pole position and two more from P2 on the grid.

"It is good to know the qualifying positions from Saturday onwards, so that is definitely an improvement. But on the other hand, we have to rely on the previous race position for our starting slot - which means you will be punished for a bad result with an early qualifying position at the next race."

"Having said that, it just means you need to be consistent in your race performances - which is what we aim for anyway."

The Drivers' Championship leader concluded: "The main point is that the system is the same for everybody, so as long as it is fair, I am happy."

ITS SCHUMACHER TIME AGAIN BITCHES, SO STOP CRYING AND START BOWING.

LORD SCHUMACHER, WHY OH WHY DID WE DOUBT/BAGG YOU!

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Mr Vti
27-05-2005, 04:59 PM
Bout time the changed the rules for qualifying, although it still is not as good as they had when they were doing 12 Laps.

Vivski
27-05-2005, 05:06 PM
The problem with the new system is that they basically have to fire the cars up after a night of rest and race without a proper warm up. There are a heap of problems with the new system though...

Qualifying will now be basically in order of how much fuel the drivers take on.

Instead of running qualifying on Sunday and changing the setup to match the conditions, they will have to guess (if they can touch the setup at all before the race... not sure about that). The track temperature could be radically different between Sat qual and Sun race.

Anything I've missed?
I do like the fact that we now know who will be on pole on the Sat night. But to be honest, that never really bothered me anyway.

LUD02C
27-05-2005, 05:14 PM
Your right Vivski, and if Ferrari run around for the the qualifying laps and hope the Bridgestones are on, we all know there cars with fuel and good tyres are incredible.

So could it be a good starting point for Ferrari to come back?

Hondavirgin
27-05-2005, 05:20 PM
I don't mind this system, but i didn't mind the two session system either, as far as i can see its basically the same as last year which worked fine. From what i understood, you can adjust the set-up if the conditions change from like wet to dry or vice versa, but apart from that, nothing.

As alonso said, in the end, it doesn't really matter as long as its an even playing field.

^^v
27-05-2005, 05:44 PM
Honda’s engine concerns for Nurburgring
Racing Imola engines could pose a problem
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BAR Honda get back to work at Nurburgring
When BAR Honda were stripped of their points paying positions at the San Marino Grand Prix and forced to miss the Spanish and Monaco Grand Prix, the team looked forward to Nurburgring and the latest engines from Honda to try and make a big impact on their return to the sport.

The team are however to use the same V10 Honda powerplants that were used at the San Marino Grand Prix as the rules state that engines must be used for two consecutive races. BAR Honda believe that they are entitled to fresh Honda engines as they did not race in either of the last two events, while the FIA take the stance that it is in fact two consecutive races for the team.

As it stands, BAR Honda will practice, qualify and race with the same engines that powered them to the points back at Imola. Honda has concerns that after five weeks sitting in storage, the engines will be compromised and perhaps not as reliable as an engine juts a week or two old.

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imo they should just put in the new engine...
so be it if they go down 10 spots.. better than risking blown engines half way thru the race..

nEUROtic
27-05-2005, 06:08 PM
ITS SCHUMACHER TIME AGAIN BITCHES, SO STOP CRYING AND START BOWING.

LORD SCHUMACHER, WHY OH WHY DID WE DOUBT/BAGG YOU!

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I dunno, I reckon you might be speaking a little too soon. The 2 session system (which personally I didn't mind) gave everyone a lap on vapor. That would be where everyone has a fair chance. I dont remember him doing real well at it to be honest.

Just have to see I think...

civ_sik
27-05-2005, 06:16 PM
go kimi !!!!! ha ha

nEUROtic
27-05-2005, 06:24 PM
I concur

civ_sik
27-05-2005, 07:30 PM
yea well take down lud02c and jacko

Vivski
27-05-2005, 09:26 PM
Making them use the same engines is hardly fair. Give 'em a break, they've done their time. Should be able to come out a fresh. That's my biased opinion anyway. ;)

Anyone else think that picture of Schumy looks like a kid in a Ferrari jacket with Michael's head photochopped onto it?

Vivski
27-05-2005, 10:03 PM
Great news for Webber and Heidfeld... the BMW-Williams seems to have the speed in Germany!! They're quicker than the Ferrari and up with the McLarens in first practice. The BARs stayed in the shed.

Just fired up the Live Timing and WHAT??!!? Registration for live timing!?! But luckily no charge, just free registration.

nEUROtic
27-05-2005, 10:07 PM
Making them use the same engines is hardly fair. Give 'em a break, they've done their time.

No way I think they should have to pay a 14,000 Australian Dollar fine as well.

nEUROtic
27-05-2005, 10:09 PM
yea well take down lud02c and jacko

Hahah yeah. Your days are numbered guys. I'm catching you all in the tipping competition too!

New F1 mag has a little bit about how jean todt has an eye on raikkonen as michaels successor. Man would I be torn!!

Kawasaki
27-05-2005, 10:35 PM
man this is stupid just let honda use the new engines, talk about ruining the sport, blown engines dont make for good races

VTEC16
28-05-2005, 01:30 AM
No way I think they should have to pay a 14,000 Australian Dollar fine as well.

HAHAH you sadistic prick....should the BAR squad spend 20 years in a bali prison too?

jackosimm
28-05-2005, 09:45 AM
ITS SCHUMACHER TIME AGAIN BITCHES, SO STOP CRYING AND START BOWING.

LORD SCHUMACHER, WHY OH WHY DID WE DOUBT/BAGG YOU!

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Bows to ye Master!

jackosimm
28-05-2005, 09:48 AM
Hahah yeah. Your days are numbered guys. I'm catching you all in the tipping competition too!

New F1 mag has a little bit about how jean todt has an eye on raikkonen as michaels successor. Man would I be torn!!

Havent bought F1 mag for so long, its quiet bad of me lol:thumbdwn: I wouldnt like Kimi comin over to Ferrari much, not a huge fan of his, I still like him and daym he can drive, but Im just not a fan lol

civ_sik
28-05-2005, 05:43 PM
show some respect jacko!!! lol now i know why your car is so red lol

nEUROtic
28-05-2005, 05:52 PM
I dont want him at ferrari either :P

Vivski
28-05-2005, 08:46 PM
I don't want him in a Ferrari. No way, Kimi's way too cool for Ferrari.
Webber's a better Schumacher replacement. Calculated and focussed.

Vivski
28-05-2005, 08:57 PM
Speaking of Kimi Raikkonen. This is an article from Formula1.com
Away from the cameras and press conferences, Kimi seems far more articulate.


Q: So how was the Monaco victory - how did it feel to run away with the trophy?
Kimi Raikkonen: Believe me, it felt mighty good. Winning a race is always special - when you know that you and the team have got it right - but winning Monaco is another dimension. A victory there seems to be bigger, more important and more satisfying because this race track immediately turns on you if you make mistakes, so to win there means that you did a better job than the other 19 guys.

Q: It was your second victory this year, just two weeks after Barcelona. Did you already feel ‘warmed-up’ for another podium?
KR: Barcelona was a bit of a surprise, but there we learned that we are on the winning street again. That the next strike would be Monaco was a just reward for the hardships we had been facing in 2004.

Q: McLaren boss Ron Dennis even went as far as to compare you with six-time Monaco winner Ayrton Senna. How did you feel about that?
KR: I don’t think in such terms. Those were different times with a different type of driver, so any comparison in the end is only a verbal game without any basis.

Q: Recently, many pundits have labelled you the second best driver on the grid after Michael Schumacher. What do you make of such comparisons?
KR: I should probably stop racing if I thought about myself as being second best.

Q: So far, this year’s title looks like being a straight fight between you and Fernando Alonso - do you see anyone else potentially challenging the two of you?
KR: Sure both of us seem the obvious bets. But in reality it is much too early to pick out a definite ‘would be champion’. I think that Ferrari will come back heavy into the race again - it is never clever to underestimate them. Ask me this question after six more races - probably then I will have a more definite guess.

Q: Much was written about potential friction between you and Juan Pablo Montoya as team mates. How are communications between the two of you? And does having a team mate of such obvious ability boost your motivation?
KR: It was always Ron’s policy to have two drivers in the team with the capability to win so it is no big deal for me to have Juan Pablo as team mate. And it surely did not influence my motivation - not for the better and sure not for the worse. It would be very questionable if a team mate would influence the motivation of a driver because it would mean that he is not giving his best all the time.

Q: And how about friendships in the paddock? Are there people you would call friends?
KR: I get along with everybody, but fact is, that my real friends are outside Formula One – normal people with normal jobs. It feels good to dive into the real world once in a while so I am anxious to keep them.

Q: There has been media speculation about a new dream team: you and Fernando racing for Ferrari. Are you also dreaming in this direction?
KR: It is obsolete to speculate about the future. I am happy where I am and concentrating on a successful season. We are living in times of changes in Formula One that nobody can predict how it will be in the next couple of years. Who can say that Formula One will be running with the same teams in five years.

Vivski
30-05-2005, 06:15 PM
Well THAT stuffs up the championship!!

1. 59 - Fernando Alonso
2. 27 - Kimi Räikkönen
2= 27 - Jarno Trulli
4. 25 - Nick Heidfeld
5. 18 - Mark Webber
6. 17 - Giancarlo Fisichella
6= 17 - Ralf Schumacher
8. 16 - Michael Schumacher
8= 16 - Juan Pablo Montoya
10. 15 - Rubens Barrichello
10= 15 - David Coulthard

Now he's two full races ahead. Instead of Kimi being one race away. Although it is a good fight for second, I hope someone can challenge Alonso by the end of the year. Somewhere his luck has to change.

jackosimm
30-05-2005, 07:04 PM
ah christ this is a weird championship, Renault definetly have the upper hand i believe

LUD02C
30-05-2005, 08:38 PM
I think Renault will start going down.
Watch Ferrari, McLaren maybe Williams and Toyota.
Few minor gremilins getting bigger and bigger with those Renaults.

Hondavirgin
31-05-2005, 11:01 AM
I think Renault will start going down.
Watch Ferrari, McLaren maybe Williams and Toyota.
Few minor gremilins getting bigger and bigger with those Renaults.

Im don't think its renault getting slower, i think its just everyone else getting faster!

Vivski
31-05-2005, 02:32 PM
The Renaults definitely need to learn how to conserve the tyres. If they can keep a lid on the tyre wear, Alonso probably has the skills and the luck to close it out.

Kawasaki
31-05-2005, 02:42 PM
I think, hope, honda will show everyone what they can really do now this whole cheating business is over. Renault were good last year as well, good on them for taking the lead so far.

LUD02C
31-05-2005, 05:21 PM
The Renaults definitely need to learn how to conserve the tyres. If they can keep a lid on the tyre wear, Alonso probably has the skills and the luck to close it out.

Do you think thats because there car is setup do differently to everyone elses?
Engine different angle, and fuel tank different angle as well and they might have to change the camber abit more to suit a full tank?
Just a thought.

Also, anyone else see how quick the Minardi's are getting?

LUD02C
31-05-2005, 05:32 PM
Raikkonen crash creates safety concerns
Over tyres used in Formula One
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Raikkonen's accident during the European GP

The spectacular crash suffered by McLaren's world championship challenger Kimi Raikkonen in the European Grand Prix has sparked safety concerns over the tyres used in Formula One.

New rules, introduced this year in a bid to stop the sport's costs spiralling out of control, have stopped teams from changing tyres during the race unless they are deemed to be in dangerous condition. But teams believe that puts them in an unfair position and McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh admitted: "These regulations gave us a dilemma on Sunday, which we would rather not have."

That dilemma was whether to risk Raikkonen's life by forcing him to drive on in a badly vibrating car after he damaged his tyres or to pull him into the pits and throw away a vital victory at a crucial point in the championship race.

Their decision to leave him out pitched him into a massive accident on the final lap of the race and Whitmarsh said: "The problem has often been talked about but this has created a precedent, which demonstrates how dangerous it is."

There are fears that, with high-speed circuits like Silverstone and Monza and the notorious Eau Rouge corner at Spa-Francorchamps still to come on this year's calendar, another incident may not see the driver walk away.


Raikkonen's crash was a consequence of a driver error which flat spotted the tyre badly midway through the race but the ultimate failure was down to the gamble to stay out that did not pay off.

It is up to the team to avoid the problem but many teams believe they should not be put in that difficult situation in the first place but BMW motorsport direct Mario Theissen said the situation is currently unavoidable.

"I think as long as you have competition on the tyre side every manufacturer will be on the edge and certainly you run into problems sometimes," said Theissen, whose company supplies engines to Williams. "The main reason to introduce the current rules is to save money and I think we could save more with a standard spec tyre with no testing and then change them as often as you want.

"It was quite a surprise what we saw today, but we had some tyre problems in Spa last year and that would certainly become critical there, so we have to closely watch the situation."

Michelin motorsport director Pierre Dupasquier, whose company provides McLaren's tyres, believes Raikkonen's problem was amplified every lap and suggested failure was inevitable at some stage.

He explained: "He flat-spotted his front-right tyre and we could see the problem very clearly in his second stop. The trouble is it becomes very easy to lock your brakes repeatedly when a tyre has been flat- spotted.

"That just amplifies the problem. We have seen cars locking up here on many occasions during the weekend and that seems to happen a lot here because one or two corners encourage drivers to turn while braking."

Fernando Alonso, who won Sunday's race, suffered problems at the last race in Monaco when the handling on his Renault deteriorated due to tyre wear but he did not create a flat-spot and managed to finish in fourth.

BMW's Theissen believes the tyre war between Michelin and rivals Bridgestone, which encourages competition to push designs to their limits, has been partially responsible for the recent trend in tyre performance.

And he added: "I was pleasantly surprised in the early races of the season because the manufacturers had to switch from three or four sets per race to one per race. That is quite a big change and I expected more problems than we had so to me it was a surprise what happened today, but maybe that is because companies are pushing to develop more."

Source AFP

jackosimm
31-05-2005, 05:57 PM
I hope this sparks some debate about this rule, one or two more incidents, and then back to the previous tyre regulations/rules. Can't stand it this year:thumbdwn:

LUD02C
02-06-2005, 04:28 PM
With BMW expected to buy out Sauber, the rumour mill reckons that Williams could be set to use Toyota power from the start of next season.

Meanwhile, Nick Heidfeld is expected to move to the new BMW-Sauber team, making room for Jenson Button at Grove.

However, Honda have now emerged as possible contenders, along with Toyota and Cosworth, as new engine partners with Williams if and when their partnership with BMW ends.

The paddock is also awash with talk that Frank Williams was spotted in talks with Bridgestone's Hiroshi Yusakawa at the weekend.

Bridgestone are known to be keen to bring more teams into their stable, accepting that only supplying Ferrari with tyres is a severe handicap.

From planetf1

Vivski
02-06-2005, 09:14 PM
...only supplying Ferrari with tyres is a severe handicap.
Yeah, it's great! Gives the others a chance.

jackosimm
02-06-2005, 09:30 PM
hmmm god thats hard to get your head around all those rumours lol!
Be nice having a second competitive team running bridgestones:thumbsup:

Hondavirgin
03-06-2005, 09:15 AM
yeah, i agree, nice to get a more competitive tyre war going again, then we can tell if its the tyres messing up or the cars....

But i don't think BMW is going to buy out Sauber so quickly, i think they will supply engines for a season or two first. No way is Williams going to go Cosworth, they'll want a factory backed engine for sure.

civ_sik
03-06-2005, 11:03 AM
yea vtec **tripping**, anyway i agree williams wont wont cosworth engines, and i dont think bmw will buy sauber...

nEUROtic
03-06-2005, 12:04 PM
No wonder peter sauber hasnt been worried about getting his opinions known and siding with the GPWC instead of with bernie. I say its a step in the right direction.

Vivski
03-06-2005, 03:23 PM
The politics never stops. We're already half way through the year and the rumours are starting... the rumours are starting late this year. ;)

jackosimm
03-06-2005, 06:08 PM
lol i hate all the rumours, its just so complicated.

LUD02C
03-06-2005, 07:28 PM
I think that since there is so much talk of BMW to buy Sauber Frank Williams will just break there agreement.
I got a DVD on Frank Williams and this is something he would do.

Williams to go to Bridgestone and Toyota to supply there engines, thats my prediction by mid way 2006. (I know its a big call)

LUD02C
03-06-2005, 07:38 PM
This is why Ferrari is the best in the paddock.
http://forums.fastfours.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=94091

Yeh Honda has NSX, BMW M3, M5, M6 etc, Renault GT6 (or whatever its called), McLaren F1 (not even Ron Dennis gets one so good luck Kimi and Juan)

Pure porn Ferrari!

Vivski
04-06-2005, 12:39 AM
Try keeping that to 40kph in a school zone.

^^v
04-06-2005, 02:20 AM
... McLaren F1 (not even Ron Dennis gets one so good luck Kimi and Juan)...



i think juans company car is the merc benz SLR mclaren :thumbsup:

jackosimm
04-06-2005, 06:09 PM
oooo thats given me a hard one:p

LUD02C
05-06-2005, 05:23 PM
I wouldn't complain with a SLR.
Juan has a heavy foot off the F1 track as well, he got caught doing 280km/h or something in a French tunnel is his M5. (when he was driving for Williams)
Anyone remember that?

jackosimm
05-06-2005, 05:27 PM
yeah i do remember him loosing his license for some reason, which i thought was hilarious:D

LUD02C
05-06-2005, 05:57 PM
Can you blame him?
I would do the same!

BMW had a meeting on Thursday about buying Sauber and who they want to supply to and all the rest.
Nothing has been released yet that I know off.
NOT HAPPY!

Also, when are F1 teams going to start testing there V8 engines.
Only BAR have had abit of a go.
They would be building them by now for sure!

nEUROtic
05-06-2005, 06:01 PM
Yeh he cant drive in any EU countries coz it was in france. Pretty awesome

LUD02C
06-06-2005, 04:59 PM
This is Luizzi "partner" Cristina Chiabotto not bad!

^^v
06-06-2005, 05:54 PM
hey dudes..
was wondering wot kinda breaks they use in f1? disks? and if so.. the norm usually is 'bigger the better' isnt it?.. but then the rim size on the cars r only 13"..
so yeah.. can anyone answer this for me?:wave:

LUD02C
06-06-2005, 07:23 PM
All answered here mate.
http://www.f1technical.net/article2.html

Its more advance then what i would say, but better read.

^^v
06-06-2005, 07:59 PM
thanks for that :thumbsup:

jackosimm
06-06-2005, 08:37 PM
I think Jase is an insider for a few teams, honestly lol. How much reading and so forth do you do on F1? Answe to anything :thumbsup:

LUD02C
06-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Nar Jackosimm, just been following it for so long and a lot of my mates are in to it and racce as well.

Vivski
07-06-2005, 02:11 PM
I wonder what tyres were used in those stopping tests. I'd guess it was the old qualifiers.
300-0 in 4s. That's pretty quick. And 100-0 in 1.4s, that's pretty quick too.

jackosimm
08-06-2005, 08:34 AM
Nar Jackosimm, just been following it for so long and a lot of my mates are in to it and racce as well.

good stuff:thumbsup:

Vivski
08-06-2005, 04:15 PM
I wonder how many seconds it would take me to stop my Civic from 300km/h if it was towed up to speed.

Jus-10
08-06-2005, 04:17 PM
mmmm...one set of brake pads?

LUD02C
08-06-2005, 04:57 PM
mmmm...one set of brake pads?

:thumbsup: Top answer!
Funny stuff!

LUD02C
08-06-2005, 05:12 PM
ccording to German publication Bild Frank Williams has admitted his team could run another engine other than BMW in 2006.

Much has been made of the relationship between Williams and BMW, with the German manufacturer now in talks with Sauber regarding engine supply and even a possible takeover of the Swiss based-squad.

Williams has a contract with BMW which runs through 2006 and the Grove based squad will be already working on next year’s car the FW28 making it unlikely that the team would be ready for a new engine design as soon as next year.

However, speaking to Bild Williams admitted that he was not unduly worried about engine supply as he has a contract with BMW and should that dissolve for any reason, there are plenty of options for the team.

Toyota, Honda and Cosworth have all been linked to the team over the last six months. Toyota is however is expected to continue with Jordan/Midland again in 2006. BMW, Mercedes, Renault and Honda have all gone on record stating that supplying a second team from 2006 is possible, so it seems that Williams has no shortage of potential options.

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International

LUD02C
08-06-2005, 05:19 PM
Juan Pablo Montoya describes what it's like to put in a lap at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, the home of the Canadian GP...

"You reach 297km/h in seventh gear along the short pit straight, before braking hard for the left-right weave of turns one and two. Located just before the pit lane exit, turn one is taken at 112km/h in third gear, and is immediately followed by the Coin Senna. This right-hand hairpin is negotiated at 80Km/h in second gear.

You push hard on the throttle as you exit the Coin Senna for the short straight that leads to the chicane of turns three and four. You drop from 257km/h in fifth to negotiate the right-left flick at 131km/h in second.

Exiting turn four, you sweep flat out through the long right-hand curve of turn five, reaching 273km/h in sixth before once again braking hard for the left-right flick of turns six and seven. The first left-hander is taken at 80km/h in second with your speed increasing to some 144km/h in third for the right of turn seven.

Full on the throttle on the exit as you power along the Place de la Concorde, achieving speeds of up to 318km/h in seventh gear, before dropping back through the gears for the right-left sequence of turns eight and nine. Entering the bumpy braking zone under the bridge for turn eight, your speed decreases to 112km/h in third gear.

The slightly faster turn nine follows and this can be taken at 128km/h, still in third gear. Exiting turn nine, you blast along the sweeping straight that leads to the L'Epingle hairpin. Having reached speeds of 257km/h in fifth gear, you brake hard for the 180-degrees right hander, which swings you round onto the Droit du Casino.

Accelerating along the main straight, you reach 318km/h in seventh gear as you approach the hardest braking point on the track. You pull -3.8G as you brake sharply to negotiate the final two corners that take you back to the start-finish straight. The right-left complex of bends is negotiated at 115km/h in third gear and you have to be careful not to jump the kerbs too aggressively."

Hondavirgin
08-06-2005, 05:23 PM
that acceleration is amazing, 260km/h on that short straight after the first hairpin! SHIT!

LUD02C
08-06-2005, 05:26 PM
that acceleration is amazing, 260km/h on that short straight after the first hairpin! SHIT!

I'll love to drive one of these cars.
If you could do one GP which one would it be.
I'd pick SPA!

nEUROtic
08-06-2005, 05:32 PM
Nurburgring

jackosimm
08-06-2005, 10:28 PM
id like to do monaco, be scared hittin the walls lol

Vivski
08-06-2005, 10:42 PM
I'd last one corner at Monaco. That first corner is a big understeer doosey.

Spa for sure. That's an awesome circuit!!

Sounds like Gilles Villeneuve circuit is pretty hard on the brakes, a lot of big stops. How do you think the BAR brakes will go? Was it McLaren who also had problems with brake dust or was it just the BARs?

Hondavirgin
09-06-2005, 09:22 AM
Spa (for that sweep up the hill towards the end of the lap) or Monza for the history.

LUD02C
09-06-2005, 05:16 PM
BAR no good on brakes, but they have put a lot on this car, its basically new!

Renault will DNF I reckon, Fisichella will loose his front wing in a driving accident and his day will go down from there.

Hondavirgin
09-06-2005, 05:26 PM
My predictions:

Another race of Renaults chasing McLarens, or McLaren.

The aussie guys will talk up webber again before the start and he'll have another disappointing race while Nick has a solid performance.

Fisichella will score solid points (he scores points even when he's put to the back of the field :D ).

Ferrari will be mid points again, maybe show some amazing pace at some point of the race.

Red Bull will score points.

Sauber wont.

Jordan will beat Minardi

Toyota will be low in the points.

No idea about BAR though.........

jackosimm
09-06-2005, 06:24 PM
sounds good honda virgin, just bump ferrari and toyota up and you then have my predictions;)

Mr Vti
09-06-2005, 06:35 PM
I hope all goes well with williams especially with Nick although i have a funny feeling webber might do good in thsi race.

^^v
09-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Sounds like Gilles Villeneuve circuit is pretty hard on the brakes, a lot of big stops. How do you think the BAR brakes will go? Was it McLaren who also had problems with brake dust or was it just the BARs?

are you talking about the incident in Bahrain?
if u r.. they changed brake manufacturers straight after that round...
pretty sure they're with BREMBO now :D so i dun think they'll be having brake ware problems this round...

EDIT:
hmm maybe brembo just supply the rotors..


B.A.R Honda extends technical partnership with Alcon



Lucky Strike B.A.R Honda is pleased to announce the extension of its Team Technical Partnership with Alcon brake calipers and master cylinders for a further two years.


The renewal of the relationship follows a successful Team Technical Partnership in 2004, the highlight of which was B.A.R Honda’s success as runner-up in the 2004 Formula One World Championship.

Brake wear management is critical in Formula One. Many of the circuits in the F1 calendar, with varying characteristics and track conditions, are especially demanding on brakes and it is therefore vital that brake temperatures are controlled. Alcon’s technology ensures that the brake system remains well within the operating temperature limits during a Grand Prix weekend.

B.A.R Honda Technical Director, Geoffrey Willis, commented: “Alcon continues to be an ideal Technical Partner for the B.A.R Honda team, as its wealth of experience in the motor sport industry is important to us as we pursue our objective of challenging for race wins. We are confident that Alcon's range of F1 calipers will contribute towards reaching that objective.”

Alistair Fergusson, Alcon’s Managing Director enthused: “I am delighted that we have renewed our Agreement with B.A.R Honda. Over the past few years our two companies have worked closely together to develop technology to beat the competition, and we are looking forward to continuing our Team Technical Partnership for the second consecutive year and beyond”.





source barhondaf1.com

Vivski
09-06-2005, 07:32 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple more flat spots at this stop-start track too. Only the consequences of a blow out or suspension failure in Canade will be much higher.

jackosimm
09-06-2005, 07:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple more flat spots at this stop-start track too. Only the consequences of a blow out or suspension failure in Canade will be much higher.

Which may help bring back previous tire rules!!! yay!:D

Hondavirgin
10-06-2005, 04:16 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple more flat spots at this stop-start track too. Only the consequences of a blow out or suspension failure in Canade will be much higher.

Yeah, wouldn't want a Kimi-esque suspension failure coming into the braking zone for the last chicane, that wall is might close to the track and its dead ahead.......

jackosimm
11-06-2005, 10:14 AM
Yeah, wouldn't want a Kimi-esque suspension failure coming into the braking zone for the last chicane, that wall is might close to the track and its dead ahead.......

true that. It just looks so spectacular when it happens

LUD02C
11-06-2005, 12:07 PM
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Reports suggest Sauber purchase
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Big changes ahead for Sauber and BMW
Reports, yet to be confirmed coming in from BBC Radio Five, suggest that BMW has now agreed terms to purchase the Swiss-based Sauber team for a rumoured $270m.

Neither BMW nor Sauber have yet to make any official announcement on any deal, stating that the two parties are in talks regarding a straight engine supply deal for 2006.

While details are sketchy until confirmation is made - or denied, the relationship between BMW and WilliamsF1 has been especially strained in recent months with Frank Williams going on record this week saying that he is unconcerned over engine supply as he has a deal with BMW for 2006 and even if that was to change for any reason, there are alternative options for the team.

Hopefully details of any such deal will be made public shortly.

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jackosimm
11-06-2005, 12:52 PM
ahhh c'mon i want an answer from bmw or sauber! the suspence is killin me:D

^^v
14-06-2005, 11:48 PM
lolz interesting article...



http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/content/gfxHeadline.php?text=Stone-cold+Kimi+has+sense+of+humour
Finn light hearted in Montreal pit lane
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(GMM) Believe it or not, stone-cold Kimi Raikkonen (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/5/Kimi-Raikkonen/view.html) has a sense of humour.

The Montreal winner was asked by British F1 broadcaster ITV what single element about the sport he would like to see changed.

McLaren (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/team/3/McLaren/view.html)'s 25-year-old, who crashed on the final tour to victory at the Nurburgring, twinkled: ''I'd make the European grand prix one lap less!''

Kimi Raikkonen (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/5/Kimi-Raikkonen/view.html) might also have been joking when he answered 'neither' to ITV's quick question: 'Beer or wine?'

Also up for a giggle in Canada was Red Bull (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/team/12/Red-Bull/view.html) racer and veteran David Coulthard (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/4/David-Coulthard/view.html), whose speedy pitlane tactics cost him a podium at the Nurburgring.

A female pit reporter asked the 34-year-old if he'd been practicing his button technique.

''I've been imagining it's your nipples so I'm being a bit gentler when I take my finger off.''

The TV station said: ''We've had a couple of calls about it. It was an odd thing to say.''

Juan Pablo Montoya (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/7/Juan-Pablo-Montoya/view.html), though, apparently wasn't joking when he was asked about McLaren (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/team/3/McLaren/view.html) teammate Raikkonen's $5000 fine for being late in Montreal.

He said: ''I hate being late. And I hate people who are late.''

Vivski
15-06-2005, 12:31 AM
We all know Kimi has a sense of humour. He's got a really dry wit, I love it.

"I was telling them the steering was too much on the left, it wasn’t straight any more, and we were a bit worried but at least everything went well and nothing happened, like in the last race." When he said that, I swear I detected the most subtle of wry smiles.

And we all know JPM is a tool... no sense of humour. Remember his reaction to the quote in my sig?

jackosimm
15-06-2005, 08:34 AM
LOL at Coulthard hahahahah what a champ!
Had no idea about kimi having a joke lol, good on him.
And yes, like I've said all along, Montoya just can't take a joke:D

Hondavirgin
15-06-2005, 09:47 AM
haha, Montoya is a fool "You broke my Fukn Head". :D

Guy needs to lighten up like the others, he's being paid to drive cars for gods sake!

LUD02C
15-06-2005, 03:59 PM
I LOVE MONTOYA!
How could you hate him?
He is theonly true person in F1 that says as he feels.

But DC, what a classic.
Kimi, is just like any other Finn, can pull out a great line at any time!

Hondavirgin
15-06-2005, 04:52 PM
I don't hate him, i just reckon he's a fool, too serious.

I want to know what the reporters response to DC was haha.

jackosimm
15-06-2005, 05:32 PM
I just think he needs to find that sense of humour he lost somewhere. And not go mental every time something go's wrong lol

hihidamon
16-06-2005, 11:15 AM
[QUOTE]McLaren's 25-year-old, who crashed on the final tour to victory at the Nurburgring, twinkled: ''I'd make the European grand prix one lap less!''[QUOTE]

umm, not that I m fussy, but wouldn't Kimi still have crashed out even the race was 1 lap shorter? The suspension let go on the preultimate lap I think...

It was good sense of humour from Kimi, but hehe do your maths lol :D

Hondavirgin
16-06-2005, 12:00 PM
nope. he crashed at the start of the last lap.

Javed
16-06-2005, 01:50 PM
Yss it was on the last lap you fool, so don't tell Kimi to "do your math". Anyways Montoya is an absolute legend, as Jase said he speaks his mind, and he is the only driver I reckon in the paddock who would actually clobber someone if he got pissed off enough, ahaha. His driving style is very exciting too!

Vivski
16-06-2005, 02:16 PM
Hey, was it DC who wanted to go fisty-cuffs in the carpark after a race 'cos someone gave him the finger? Montoya's not the only guy who tells it how it is. He's a bit of a brat.

Jus-10
16-06-2005, 02:21 PM
Hey any of the Fez fans (LUD I guess) been checking out the new Lego collection?

I'm getting the Transport Truck and hopefully the 1:10 scale F1 car to add to my MS/Ferrari collection.

hihidamon
16-06-2005, 03:32 PM
Yss it was on the last lap you fool, so don't tell Kimi to "do your math". Anyways Montoya is an absolute legend, as Jase said he speaks his mind, and he is the only driver I reckon in the paddock who would actually clobber someone if he got pissed off enough, ahaha. His driving style is very exciting too!
hehe... I just recalled now Kimi did crossed the line before the suspension let go on the last lap! My bad, I guess I need a math lession, who is a maths tutor here? :D

LUD02C
16-06-2005, 05:18 PM
Yeh DC went to punch Massa after Monaco but he stopped when he saw he was driving his parents!

As for the Ferrari stuff, I spent abit of money on a 1:10 scale of a F2004 with Michael's signature on it.

Also, it was the last lap first hair pin where Kimi crashed :(

hihidamon: welcome to the forum dude, hang around the motorsport section and discuss the events, also join the tipping competition ;)

jackosimm
16-06-2005, 05:35 PM
Hey any of the Fez fans (LUD I guess) been checking out the new Lego collection?

I'm getting the Transport Truck and hopefully the 1:10 scale F1 car to add to my MS/Ferrari collection.

Don't forget me me me!!!
Score, where'd you pick up the model Jase? Id kill for anythin that Michael has touched, like a fork or somethin:D

LUD02C
16-06-2005, 05:37 PM
I bought it when I was in Europe last year.

Javed
16-06-2005, 05:46 PM
I remember readin in a SPEED mag about how some guy was selling a bmw williams f1 disposable paper cup that you get from like the water dispensers? Ahahaha, apparently the description said "May have been used by Mark Webber" heh.

jackosimm
16-06-2005, 06:42 PM
hahahaha "may have" lol. I've entered that comp on RPM like 5 times already to win the hot lap with schuey:D

Jus-10
16-06-2005, 06:48 PM
Sorry Jacko..I knew there was one other!

I have all these old Minichamps models from the Michael Schumacher collection which I was collecting during the mid-90s....anyway I had put them away because they were gathering dust.....

I was speaking to some avid model collector a few weeks ago and apparently one of the ones I have is now worth over $300 - others are still over $150 (I got it for like $60)..remember these are only 1:43 scale too. They are now as rare as rocking horse sh*t apparently....

I alkso have a framed original promotional poster for 1996 Monza (It's got Schumey on it)....you could spend a fortune on this stuff!

jackosimm
16-06-2005, 06:55 PM
1:43 must have some great detail in them! All I've got is a replica shirt, fair few models+badges+books, weather proof jumper and a good ol fake jumper:D All Ferrari ofcourse. lol thats cool justin, my bright and loomey avatar hadn't been put on this page yet:thumbsup:

Vivski
16-06-2005, 11:48 PM
Hasn't this been discussed in another thread? You guys and your Ferrari propaganda, seriously... :p
Having said that, when I was young, I'd set up a track with lego and stage races with my matchbox Ferrari and Benetton. The Benetton always won ofcourse, 'cos it had cooler colours. :thumbsup:

Vivski
17-06-2005, 11:04 AM
After David Coulthard and Christian Klien came home seventh and eight in Montreal, Cosworth’s Dave Prigg said: “Our finish provides Cosworth with the enviable position of being the only engine manufacturer to supply a team with an uninterrupted sequence of engines from the start of the season. An unmatched level of reliability from the TJ2005 10 series engine, at its final race. Red Bull Racing will enjoy a significant performance step with the introduction of the TJ2005 12 series engine next week at Indy.”

Sources within the team speak of a 30 to 40 bhp power hike, which could be worth up to three-tenths of a second off the lap times of Coulthard and Klien.

Source: formula1.com

That will certainly be a big help in Indy. That big long straight with a good overtaking chance at the end of it. The Williams-BMW will suck, who knows about the Toyotas, BAR and Ferrari. Once again, it seems like the McLarens and Renaults will have the upper hand.

My prediction is that you'll see a good qualifying from Williams, but they'll get swaped into the first corner and stuck behind someone slower through the slow section. The cars are set up beautifully for slow-medium speed corners but just have no power. So in clean air, they'll put down some great laptimes, but wont be able to overtake and will be overtaken from behind with ease.

LUD02C
17-06-2005, 04:21 PM
Heidfeld has openly told Williams that he is talking to other teams about driving for them next year and I think Toyota is one of them :confused:
Could just be a bullshit thing so Sauber-BMW get him.

Also, Le-Mans is on this weekend, and Leob is driving in it.
I wish Channel 10 had it, maybe ESPN or something might show it?

Hondavirgin
17-06-2005, 04:38 PM
web site for Le Mans?

What is Loeb in?

hihidamon
17-06-2005, 04:48 PM
Heidfeld has openly told Williams that he is talking to other teams about driving for them next year and I think Toyota is one of them :confused:
Could just be a bullshit thing so Sauber-BMW get him.


Guess who will get the axe from toyota if Heidfeld really gets a drive at Toyota next year? ... Poor Brother Ralf ... :D

LUD02C
17-06-2005, 04:49 PM
http://www.lemans.org

Who knows is Heidfeld is serious about it or if BMW just playing tricks!
I think Nick and Jenson are both hot property this silly season!

hihidamon
17-06-2005, 04:53 PM
http://www.lemans.org

Who knows is Heidfeld is serious about it or if BMW just playing tricks!
I think Nick and Jenson are both hot property this silly season!

I believe Heidfeld is the most bargain driver of the year, great performance for small amount of salary (anyone knows what salary he is getting from Williams? Test driver rates maybe).

LUD02C
17-06-2005, 04:58 PM
Who knows what a F1 driver gets.
I think they "reckon" Michael got payed by Ferrari $300 million euro (including clothes sales percentages etc) in 2004.

^^^ Is from my memory of something I read, could be wrong.
But Michael was the most payed sportsman last year by a lot so could be right or near right.

So much money!

Vivski
17-06-2005, 05:11 PM
Both Seb Loeb and Stephane Sarrazin are doing the LeMans 24hr Race.
Loeb is in a PESCAROLO JUDD in the premier class (LMP1). They qualified 2nd just 0.8s behind the other Pescarolo Judd.
Sarrazin is in an Aston Martin DB9 **drool** in the LM GT1 class.

hihidamon
17-06-2005, 05:15 PM
Who knows what a F1 driver gets.
I think they "reckon" Michael got payed by Ferrari $300 million euro (including clothes sales percentages etc) in 2004.

^^^ Is from my memory of something I read, could be wrong.
But Michael was the most payed sportsman last year by a lot so could be right or near right.

So much money!
No wonder he donated $10m USD to the tsunami victims a while back. thats just simply no money for him. Having said that, $10m donation by MS is way out of proportion when you consider vodafone only donated a few million pounds (not sure) for the same events :rolleyes:

nEUROtic
17-06-2005, 05:43 PM
They published all the figures in f1 racing a few months back. Lesse here.


Sch - 42 million including bonuses and merchandising.
Kimi - 19 mil
Ralph?? - 18 million
JPM - 12 mil
Webber - 6
Heid 2mil (Is a bargain!)
Rubes - 9
Button alonso trulli 7-8

hihidamon
17-06-2005, 06:21 PM
They published all the figures in f1 racing a few months back. Lesse here.


Sch - 42 million including bonuses and merchandising.
Kimi - 19 mil
Ralph?? - 18 million
JPM - 12 mil
Webber - 6
Heid 2mil (Is a bargain!)
Rubes - 9
Button alonso trulli 7-8

Ok, from the above list, I can the the big disapointment is Ralf considering his huge pay! he just doesnt delivery the bang for the buck. :thumbdwn:

jackosimm
17-06-2005, 07:03 PM
hmmm man there makin big bucks

^^v
23-06-2005, 02:45 AM
BMW realigns its Formula One involvement
Acquire a majority shareholding in Sauber
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BMW to take over the
running of Sauber in '06
BMW is striking out on a new path in Formula One. After acquiring a majority shareholding in the Swiss Sauber team, a BMW managed team will be contesting the Formula One World Championship as early as 2006.

This was decided by the BMW Board of Management on Tuesday. It means that, for the first time in company history, BMW will be competing independently in Formula One.

Professor Burkhard Göschel, BMW Board Member for Development and Purchasing
“This decision is a strong, long-term affirmation of BMW’s commitment to Formula One. We anticipate that Formula One will emerge strengthened from the current restructuring phase and that it will continue to represent the top echelon of motor sport for the future as well. For BMW, Formula One is thus the right platform for demonstrating our competence as a car manufacturer."

"Success in Formula One increasingly depends on the perfect interplay of all factors. That is why we have resolved to extend our involvement beyond our present role of engine partner. With a team managed by BMW we will, as of next year, take on responsibility for the entire package, which will include the key factors of the chassis, tyres and drivers. Naturally this decision impacts on our partnership with WilliamsF1. We want to discuss the future options together with WilliamsF1 in order to find the right way forward for both sides."


"We do not expect instant success from the new constellation, but we are convinced that we have chosen the right path for the long term.”

Dr Mario Theissen, BMW Motorsport Director
“The realignment of our Formula One strategy is based on two insights. Firstly, the influence of the engine on the winning potential of the overall package has diminished; the car, tyres and drivers play a greater role than they used to. Secondly, from our point of view, an optimal overall package can only be achieved with a fully integrated team and coherent processes throughout."

"In restructuring we are taking account of these insights. At Sauber we have found a solid foundation for vehicle development and production, along with the requisite know-how and one of the most modern wind tunnels. The results achieved there so far are worthy of respect in the light of the team’s limited budget. BMW will not only maintain this foundation but build on it. That applies both to the facilities and to the staff. Additional workplaces will be created at the Sauber headquarters in Hinwil. The new team will be managed as a fully integrated project from two locations, as has long been standard practice at BMW for series production."

"We are aware that we face a learning curve, that although you can plan success you can’t buy it off the peg. After showing that BMW is capable of building the best Formula One engine, we are starting out as it were at apprenticeship level on the complex task of tackling the vehicle as a whole. That demands patience and stamina. We possess both, as well as a concrete work programme. The technical cooperation has already begun."

"In the partnership with WilliamsF1 we have celebrated successes together and taken the team forward. Both partners today are stronger than at the outset of our joint venture and are thus equipped for the future. What that future will look like will be decided over the next weeks. Irrespective of that decision, we are concentrating on the current season. We still have quite a few goals for this year and we will apply all our powers and professionalism to implement them together with WilliamsF1.”

Peter Sauber
“For Sauber, the partnership with BMW is an ideal solution as it supports the two goals which have always been paramount for me: firstly, to offer the team the possibility of improving their sporting performance, and secondly, to safeguard the site at Hinwil and the jobs of today’s 300-strong workforce. The involvement of six car manufacturers has resulted in significant changes to Formula One in recent years. For the private teams in particular it has become increasingly difficult to secure the kind of solid financing that will also allow for sporting success. For some years I have also been thinking in terms of succession planning – in the light of the very specific demands of Formula One, that is no easy matter."

"The partnership with BMW guarantees continuity. For that reason, too, it represents an ideal solution, because I know it will give the workforce a very good outlook. Over more than 35 years, I have guided this company through often stormy seas, which is why it is so important for me to know that it will be in good hands in future as well.”

"The new partnership is also made possible by Credit Suisse, which over the next three years will successively sell off its shares in Sauber Holding AG to BMW as well. Credit Suisse took over these shares in 2002 with a view to placing them with suitable investors in due course."

Urs Rohner, Member of the Executive Board of Credit Suisse Group
“We are looking forward to working with BMW. What you associate with BMW and Sauber are, on the one hand, longstanding experience in motor racing and, on the other, efficiency and dedication. That creates an ideal basis for a successful team. Credit Suisse, moreover, will be an Official Partner of the team for the next three years.”

Presentation at the start of 2006.

In parallel with that, based on the Board’s decision, the new structure with managerial and key positions, including the driver line-up, and the name of the new team will be worked out by the takeover date of 1st January 2006. Development of resources are being driven forward with urgency and immediate effect.

The team will present itself to the public at the beginning of 2006. The factory in Hinwil will continue to be operated as a legally independent Swiss company linked to BMW Motorsport.

The expansion of BMW’s Formula One involvement will not impinge on other BMW motor sport projects. In future, BMW will continue its commitment to touring car racing – both in the new World Touring Car Championship (FIA WTCC) and in leading individual events such as 24- hour races. Formula BMW with its four series in Asia, Britain, Germany and North America will also continue. This year it will feature a world final for the first time.

Press Release
BMW


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Vivski
23-06-2005, 11:14 AM
Yep, all the usual arse-kissing antics in those interviews. Pretty typical stuff.
Well, what does this mean for Williams? Toyota engines?

Any idea of which drivers BMW intend to employ? I'm guessing Heidfeld would be one.

Hondavirgin
23-06-2005, 11:22 AM
Interesting, i think they will stick with BMW customer engines at least for 2006, after that....sh!t, it could be anyone! Skoda F1!

Vivski
23-06-2005, 11:40 AM
Daihatsu-WilliamsF1, Chevrolet-WilliamsF1, Holden-Vauxhall-WilliamsF1 ?

enoch
23-06-2005, 12:37 PM
porsche-willaims f1?
audi-williams f1
lamborgini-williams f1!!!! <---------- would LOVE to see that

enoch
23-06-2005, 12:38 PM
wait, lambo is audi, what am i on about?

Hondavirgin
23-06-2005, 12:40 PM
Williams + RB26 + Attessa = NEVAR LOSE!

LUD02C
23-06-2005, 04:29 PM
I hope BMW employ Heidfeld and Klien.
Both terrific young drivers!

Well done to BMW on there purchase, I personally think Frank and Patrick are wankers!
I said that Williams will be in a Toyota engine and Bridgestones next year, But I'm thinking a Honda V8 now.

I wonder if Peter Sauber will still have some involvement?

Javed
23-06-2005, 04:51 PM
I think Honda will be strong with their V8 package, anybody else agree with me?

Hondavirgin
23-06-2005, 05:08 PM
I wonder if Peter Sauber will still have some involvement?

He mentioned in that interview that he was looking for a succession plan, so i think he's looking to step back or out of the day to day management all together.

I don't think we'll know who is strong with the V8s until Australia next year, too much of a blank canvas. Was it Honda who was the only team to have tested a V8?

jackosimm
23-06-2005, 05:36 PM
true about not knowing how the V8's will run till next year, everyone can speculate over testing times like always, but in the end of the day, gotta wait till Australia, and even a couple of rounds in to see who's got it good

^^v
23-06-2005, 08:04 PM
im actually looking fwd to seeing how the v8's run.. n sound :D
should be interesting though.. imo i tink Ferarri will have the upper hand .. considering they've got quite a vew v8 production cars...
but meh.. this is f1.. too hard to speculate.. so just have to wait n see..

^^v
23-06-2005, 08:06 PM
Brake dust concerns
Salo highlights potential new issue
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111 races for Salo in Formula One
Former Formula One driver Mika Salo has highlighted a new concern to the FIA after he discovered that his lungs have accumulated brake dust, presumably over his eight-year stint in Formula One and his time in other categories before and after F1.

Salo, who started his Formula One career with Lotus in 1994, went on to question if his lungs have accumulated so must brake dust, how much more would a driver like Michel Schumacher have after his much longer spell in the sport.

The BBC report that the specifics of Salo’s problems have now been brought to the attention of the FIA and there is now a dialogue between the parties.

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International


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Hondavirgin
24-06-2005, 09:24 AM
im actually looking fwd to seeing how the v8's run.. n sound :D
should be interesting though.. imo i tink Ferarri will have the upper hand .. considering they've got quite a vew v8 production cars...
but meh.. this is f1.. too hard to speculate.. so just have to wait n see..

I wonder how high they will rev?!, currently at 18 or 19,000 rpm, and i read somewhere that the F1 V8s will be more like motogp engines.

I don't think having V8 road cars will help an F1 program much, these engines will be built from scratch and not based on other engines.

^^v
24-06-2005, 12:57 PM
I wonder how high they will rev?!, currently at 18 or 19,000 rpm, and i read somewhere that the F1 V8s will be more like motogp engines.

I don't think having V8 road cars will help an F1 program much, these engines will be built from scratch and not based on other engines.

i think in testing, the Cosworth v8's were hovering around 20k rpm...

LUD02C
24-06-2005, 04:16 PM
The honda hit 21,000rpm didn't it?

You will have to wait for Australia, because we are not the opening round next year, we are 3rd on the calender. (commonwealth games)

Mika Salo what a great guy, concerns over Michaels health.

Also, Bought a book last night, Michael Schumacher by James Allen (Yeh I know, he is a tool) but James is with him for 2 years, and you see all sides of Michael.

Also, with Michael's money thing, when i said he got $300 million thats including all his interest and all that he has earnt on his money and all that. ;)

Hondavirgin
24-06-2005, 04:20 PM
what was first then btw?

you wouldn't happen to have read the Behind the Wheel book by Martin Brundle would you? looked pretty cool, but i was scared off by the price haha.

LUD02C
24-06-2005, 04:24 PM
Nar I haven't.
I never thought Martin Brundle was that good.
He was a team mate of Michael's I believe in the Benetton?

Hondavirgin
24-06-2005, 04:29 PM
maybe? He raced for McLaren for one season didn't he?

Vivski
24-06-2005, 04:59 PM
Holy crap, 21000RPM!! That's a lot of heat!

Williams used to have their engines supplied by Renault. Any chance of that relationship being rebuilt?

LUD02C
25-06-2005, 10:55 AM
Rothlmans Williams Renault, what a great team!

I think Toyota or Honda will get Williams on board, I haven't heard of Renault wanting to be a supplier has anyone?

LUD02C
25-06-2005, 11:01 AM
From F1-live.com
Answers a whole lot of questions


BMW announced this week that it would take over the Sauber Formula 1 team. Shortly afterwards, Credit Suisse emagazine spoke with Peter Sauber about his reasons for the move, the role of Credit Suisse and the Hinwil location.

Daniel Huber: What were your reasons for agreeing to the buyout offer from BMW?
"In the last ten years, Formula 1 racing has developed by leaps and bounds technically and as a result has become extremely expensive. That has made it extraordinarily difficult for small, independent teams to hold their own. We have an excellent infrastructure and really outstanding people, but otherwise we're a little short on everything. It's very difficult to keep up under these circumstances. That's why I announced years ago that I would be willing to work with a strong partner or even sell provided I could improve the team's motor sport future and safeguard both the jobs in Hinwil and the entire infrastructure. There's another important point. I'm now 62 years old. It was high time to find a good solution for the succession issue. The deal with BMW is thus also ideal in terms of timing."

What's the new ownership situation?

"Credit Suisse, the main shareholder, will gradually reduce its stake to zero over the next three years. I'll also scale back my shareholding, but ultimately will keep 20%, which is quite a lot."

Was Credit Suisse involved in these negotiations?
"Of course. It was in the picture right from the word go and welcomed the sale for the same reasons I do. After all, it guarantees progress on the motor sport side and up to a certain point secures the future of Hinwil."

Talking about Hinwil, what's going to change there in future for the staff?
"Very little will change for them. The team is 300 strong right now and will even be expanded somewhat. Teams like Renault or Williams employ 450 or 500 people. BMW doesn't want to go quite that far, but staff levels will be much higher than right now. And that's important not only for the employees but also for the entire region."

So the jobs of all Sauber employees are guaranteed?
"There are no guarantees for jobs. I've been doing this for 35 years now. I've always offered attractive jobs and steadily built up the company. I think that's more important than talking about guarantees."

How quickly will the new ownership make its impact felt on the work in Hinwil?
"The impact will be felt very fast. We have a state-of-the-art wind tunnel that is under-utilised now because we don't have the personnel. We're operating only a single shift, whereas our competitors run three shifts. We want to change that, so we're going to increase our personnel as quickly as possible, but with all due caution of course. The same is true, for instance, of the test team, which only operates one car, while everyone else is using two. This is another handicap that we want to eliminate as quickly as possible."


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Credit Suisse to gradually reduce involvement
What will Peter Sauber's role be in the new BMW team?
"I will no longer have any operational role in the team. And that's a good thing. I've put my stamp on this business for the past 35 years. With BMW taking over, the new management will want to do a lot of things differently. BMW also has completely different structures. We need a clean break. However, I'll be around as a consultant to advise BMW and the team in the next few years."

What are your thoughts at the end of this crucial day?
"That's a bit difficult for me to answer. On the one hand, I feel very relieved that the company with which I am so closely connected is in good hands. Since I started in Formula 1 racing, about ten different teams have come and gone. On the other hand, retiring from active involvement is certainly not easy for me. I think I won't really know what it means for me for another few weeks yet."

Have you got any plans for starting something new?
"No. That's why I'm happy to have this consulting agreement with BMW. That will take up so much of my energy that it won't make sense to start anything new at the same time. But I hope that things will be a little calmer. With 19 races this season, I'm sometimes really at the limit."

E.A.
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jackosimm
26-06-2005, 01:46 PM
interesting read there, least it answers a few things

^^v
27-06-2005, 09:02 PM
Ahead of the Paris meeting...
Stoddart warns of possible team action
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Troubled times in Formula One
The eyes and ears of the Formula One community will be focused on the events in Paris this Wednesday as the FIA World Motorsport Council meet to discuss the events of the US Grand Prix just over a week ago.

The seven Michelin-shod teams plus Michelin will appear in Paris charged with a whole host of offences that culminated with 14 runners peeling into the pits and not taking part in the Indianapolis race.

Speaking to BBC Radio Minardi boss Paul Stoddart warned that if the hearing results in draconian penalties, the teams would meet at Magny Cours, home of the French Grand Prix, and that it was not beyond the bounds of possibilities that the teams would boycott the race.

"Would we race after a penalty? I think we'd have a meeting and you wouldn't guarantee it," Stoddart said.

This is all for the future of course as it is not clear what penalties will be handed out. It could range from a warning, a simple fine to points deductions and possible suspended bans.

Stoddart points the finger of blame firmly at FIA President Max Mosley for the US Grand Prix shenanigans for not taking control of the situation and ensuring a compromise decision that would have allowed all 20 cars to race in some form or another.

The FIA has announced that Max Mosley will be holding a press conference on Wednesday afternoon after 3pm CET. It will be another busy week for Formula One and their legal teams.

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International

Hondavirgin
28-06-2005, 08:43 AM
This is a classic case of the vocal minority, since when did stoddart get elected spokesperson for the michelin teams, guy should shut up and concentrate on racing.

hihidamon
28-06-2005, 09:38 AM
This is a classic case of the vocal minority, since when did stoddart get elected spokesperson for the michelin teams, guy should shut up and concentrate on racing.
I really dont know ..... this should be the business between all michellin teams and the FIA, well... Poor Paul must have forgotten that he/his team was dumped by Michellin 2 years ago, but he for sure has kept the friendship with the french manufacturer. I wonder what Bridgestone is thinking now .... :D

^^v
28-06-2005, 12:28 PM
Michelin completes tyre investigation
Tyres not flawed but insufficiently suited...
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The loading on the tyre was greater than
Michelin had anticipated
Michelin has completed its investigations concerning the tyres used at Indianapolis and has communicated the results of these investigations to its partner teams:

"The tyres were not intrinsically flawed, but were insufficiently suited to the extreme racing conditions encountered through Turn 13 of the Indianapolis circuit this year."

Given the evolutions concerning the cars' aerodynamics, the regulations which govern the sport and the nature of the track surfaces, etc., Michelin carries out testing in the course of each season with a view to developing the tyres which are the most suited to each event. Two key elements must be known about the Indianapolis circuit:

Turn 13, with its severe banking, is the only turn of its kind in a season of 19 races.
<LI>Testing at Indianapolis was not possible.

As a consequence, in order to define the specification of its tyres for Indianapolis, Michelin had to carry out simulation work based on the results of less severe testing at other venues and on estimations concerning the specific conditions likely to be met at Indianapolis in 2005.


The Michelin investigations have revealed that the loads exerted on the rear left tyre through Turn 13 at Indianapolis were far superior to the highest estimations of Michelin's engineers. This year, the situation through this corner turned out to be altered by the extreme combination of the speed, lateral acceleration and additional dynamic load. The tyres which Michelin took were therefore insufficiently adapted to the extreme conditions of Turn 13 in 2005. This was a problem.

On the other hand, investigations concerning the materials and construction employed for the tyres produced for Indianapolis have confirmed the absence of any anomaly. The tyres did not have an intrinsic flaw but they were not insufficiently suited to turn 13.

Moreover, this analysis confirmed the pertinence of the tyre solutions specified for all the other circuits.

In retrospect, this analysis perfectly validates the pertinence of the precautionary measures requested by Michelin and its partner teams in the interests of driver safety and fully confirms that the addition of a chicane at the entrance of Turn 13, which would have guaranteed lower speeds through Turn 13, would have enabled spectators not to be deprived of a high class competition, while at the same time guaranteeing the safety of the drivers.

As a consequence:

1. Based on these investigations, Michelin has revised its simulation model for 'banked' corners such as Turn 13 at Indianapolis in view of the special effects caused by this corner.

2. Michelin requests that it be possible in the future to undertake testing at Indianapolis before the Grand Prix.

3. Michelin confirms that it will be present with safe, competitive tyres at the forthcoming Grand Prix races.

In conclusion, Michelin Competition's Director Mr. Pierre Dupasquier declared: "The problem was that we under-evaluated the extreme constraints to which tyres were exposed through Turn 13 in the specific context of 2005. We are grateful to our partners for their work with us right up to the last moment to seek a solution that would have permitted the race to go ahead in total safety. We regret that the spectators did not see an exciting race. However, in keeping with its principles, Michelin did not sacrifice safety for performance."

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LUD02C
28-06-2005, 05:08 PM
I hope Michelin don't race till Max and Bernie leave!
I think they have understand, that is they don't race Bernie and Max aren't in charge!

Paul is looking for media attention!

EDit:
Anyone seen the Honda-Channel 10 F1 commercial.
Promoting the French GP with time and that.
Good to see they are trying to promote F1

Vivski
29-06-2005, 01:41 AM
And Subaru using it's rallying a lot more lately. Good for motorsport.

Hehe, Stoddart is a nutter. What's he going on about now, boycotts? If I was in charge, I'd be very tempted to penalise Stoddart for bringing the sport into disrepute. Penalty, he has to be kept on a leash by Max Mosley... Max will take him on walkies and keep him fed but no interviews with the press.

Stoddart would do F1 a favour if he backed off a bit.

^^v
29-06-2005, 03:05 AM
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(GMM) All is not well, or so it would seem, between Rubens Barrichello (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/3/Rubens-Barrichello/view.html) and his Ferrari (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/team/2/Ferrari/view.html) team.

The Brazilian admitted he is having to 'put up with a lot of things' within the red camp.

An obviously frosty relationship has developed between Rubens and teammate Michael Schumacher (http://formula-1.updatesport.com/profiles/item/formula_one/driver/1/Michael-Schumacher/view.html) after near clashes at Monaco and Indianapolis.

And, believed to be no longer willing to play second fiddle to the championship winning German, Barrichello is now linked with a switch next year to BAR.

''You know, I'm just a little Brazilian against a very big world.

''It's a very big fight.''


if he does move, wonder who'd replace him at Ferrari?

Hondavirgin
29-06-2005, 08:57 AM
someone who would be a good number 2 for sure.......although there's not that many out there nowadays.

hihidamon
29-06-2005, 10:41 AM
The seven teams - Williams, McLaren, Renault, Sauber, Toyota, BAR Honda and Red Bull - face losing constructors' world championship points or punitive fines, as well as charges of bringing the sport into disrepute.

lol ... What points would BAR Honda lose?? This might be good for their championship to be honest lol :D

^^v
29-06-2005, 01:10 PM
lol ... What points would BAR Honda lose?? This might be good for their championship to be honest lol :D

ahahaha true true... maybe they'll have negative points?


anyway Michelin have decided to pay the fans at Indi the cost of their tickets.. n have also offered to buy 20k tickets for next years gp to be given to spectators... good gesture me thinks...:thumbsup: ... still think FIA should be held partly responsible n should incure some of the costs...



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Michelin react to calls for compensation
On the eve of the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris on Wednesday, Michelin has released the following press release.

"One week after the Indianapolis Grand Prix, Michelin wishes to make a sincere gesture of goodwill towards the people present at the GP, a group whose passion for F1 is encouraging in the development of this sport in the United States.

Therefore, on our own initiative and in total solidarity with our partners, we have taken two decisions:

<LI>1. Michelin has decided to contribute to the costs incurred by the spectators present at the circuit on Sunday June 19th 2005 by offering to refund their tickets. This is an important decision, since Michelin is not at all legally bound to do this.

Michelin deeply regrets that the public was deprived of an exciting race and therefore wishes to be the first, among the different groups involved in the Indianapolis race, to make a strong gesture towards the spectators.

<LI>2. Michelin also offers to buy 20,000 tickets for the 2006 U.S. Grand Prix to be given to spectators who were present at the Indianapolis race in 2005. We are offering this to promote further Formula 1 interest in the United States.


We would also like to take this opportunity to underline the fact that it is unacceptable that our partner teams have been accused by the FIA of having boycotted the Indianapolis Grand Prix. The reality is that together, Michelin and its partners have done everything possible to assure that the race could take place in total safety.

We are extremely disappointed that the proposals made with all our teams were not accepted. These proposals, including a chicane, were technically viable and totally met all safety requirements. On Sunday morning, June 19, the sporting authority had all the means necessary to preserve the interest of the race. And yet, the sporting authority rejected the proposed solutions. Why? In our view this is totally incomprehensible and reflects a lack of respect for the spectators.

It is the spirit of respect for the spectators that brought us, with our partners, to propose solutions to allow the race to take place in total safety. It is this same spirit that leads us today to make this gesture."

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Kawasaki
29-06-2005, 01:56 PM
Michelin are smart, good on em for doing that

LUD02C
29-06-2005, 04:44 PM
I actually thought Rubens would be gone in 2004.
If I was Ferrari I'd go after Klien or Wurz (main 2 that come in my mind now)

Edit: Or even heidfeld if he doesn't go to BMW

Hondavirgin
29-06-2005, 06:06 PM
They've got an advantage coz they don't need to train a successor to michael, when the time comes they'll have pockets deep enough to buy a top level guy right off the bat.

civ_sik
29-06-2005, 07:51 PM
fuk klien or wurz, get someone that actually has tallent and get raikkonen or someone like that or alonso when michael leaves, and money can buy anything so they could easily afford one or both of them. when michael leaves they will have plenty of extra money

jackosimm
30-06-2005, 09:38 AM
lol good point, I've never thought about how much more money they'll have without him, savings time:thumbsup:

nEUROtic
30-06-2005, 11:25 AM
Wurz is fast as hell, just cant pass for shit. As long as ferrari can qualify him up the front he would be an excellent choice.

Vivski
01-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Where's the tipping thread for France? Need to put in my stupid tips so I can forget to change them and be stuck with having tipped a Minardi 1-2, Jordan 3-4. :P
But more seriously, gotta get my tips in, 'cos I've got stuff on this w/end. :thumbsup:

LUD02C
01-07-2005, 06:30 PM
hey Vivski., sorry dude, I usually do it on Tuesday but I've been so busy!
Its up now mate

Vivski
02-07-2005, 11:23 AM
Cheers. I'll probably get time to adjust my tips on Sunday night, but wanted to get in early just in case.

^^v
03-07-2005, 05:52 PM
Extra non-championship race a possibility
As F1 looks to repair relations in US
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the French Grand Prix
Formula One could return to the United States at the end of the year in a bid to repair its tarnished image, said McLaren team principal Ron Dennis on Saturday.

The sport's aspirations of becoming popular in the country were hit hard after a chaotic race at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in June that saw fourteen drivers boycott the event amid safety concerns.

Disgusted spectators pelted the remaining drivers from the three teams running Bridgestone tyres with missiles with many walking away from race demanding their money back.

McLaren's Dennis said here that discussions had taken place with an additional non-championship race in the United States a possibility.

"This would not be a free race, more a free of team costs race," said Dennis. "It would take place at the end of the year and would be up to Bernie and the promoters to decide.

"It would be logistically challenging but not a major problem. It is an offer from the teams and would supplement the offer of Michelin.

"We support anything that can repair the image of Formula One so that it can once again be a community. We are also looking to the future with the possibility of night races and more flexible starting times."


The race, which has been proposed to repair damaged relations between the sport and the American public, would take place at the end of October at the earliest with no details as to the level of participation from the teams' main drivers.

Asked if they would participate in the event, McLaren's Colombian driver Juan Pablo Montoya said: "Yes, I would take part if the team agreed to it."

Tyre manufacturer Michelin, whose mistake in bringing incorrect tyres to Indianapolis in June led to the controversy, agreed to reimburse the fans for the tickets purchased. They also indicated earlier this week that they would buy 20,000 tickets for the next United States Grand Prix.

Source AFP

LUD02C
03-07-2005, 06:08 PM
I say cut the round at Indy and move them to the street course in Las Vagas.
Nice wide fast track, street circuits are always great.

Let the red neck tools of central usa have there Nascar.
Las Vagas would pull more of a international crowd and sponsors anyway.

Vivski
04-07-2005, 02:09 AM
Nah... Laguna Seca!! :p

LUD02C
04-07-2005, 07:47 PM
Apprantly they can't have it there.
There was a list in some CCC (British Car magazine) back in 03 I think with tracks that the F1 calender can't go to.
Laguna was one and so was Bathurst.


I have no idea why either.

jackosimm
04-07-2005, 08:40 PM
The dipper at Laguna and Bathurst would nail an F1 car anyway right? Not sure if you can jack it up super high but it'd do some damage I would think.

Vivski
05-07-2005, 02:19 AM
LMAO, F1 at Bathurst! I almost damaged my Civic there, I can only imagine what it would do to an F1 car. And it's no surprise they don't race at Laguna Seca. It's a fantastic track, one of my favourites, but the corkscrew (and the entry to the corkscrew) is way too dangerous for F1. But it would certainly be fun to watch F1s at both those tracks.

jackosimm
05-07-2005, 12:00 PM
lol sure would rip them up! Bottom out a whole lot on Conrod Straight lol!!!
I knew it wasnt the dipper at Laguna, lol Corkscrew ofcourse!

LUD02C
05-07-2005, 04:55 PM
Vivski - When I had my Prelude, I was hammering around Bathurst chasing this Ferrari, nearly hit in under brakes at Forest Elbow (I ran out of brakes:( )

Then Conrad came up and i was FLAT OUT, he was cruising (well above 60km/h) and the copper pulled me over :thumbdwn:

6 points and $800 later :D
I begged him not to take my licence, I won't say what speed I got caught doing because it was stupid!

Vivski
05-07-2005, 05:08 PM
Lol, you idiot. ;) Yes, it's so tempting to just boot it isn't it? I can see why there's a speed limit. I almost came to grief at Forest Elbow too!! I came down at about 80km/h in my 84 Civic hatch with 5 people in it... I was hard on the brakes, but it's so steep there and I was inches from the wall on the exit. Scary stuff.

Unlucky to get caught but you probably deserve it. :p Harsh fine! After all, the only person you're going to kill is yourself and whoever's stupid enough to get in the car with you. Haha.

LUD02C
05-07-2005, 05:20 PM
First time I went hard at Bathurst I under estimated forest elbow.
I went in there in 3rd and understeered so bad that I had to pull the hand brake up and try and swing the back end out.

After that it was always a double shuffle into 2nd at high revvs so I could pull out of the corner and get a good start for Conrod Straight.

Heading up the mountain with a low torque car was crap :(

Vivski
05-07-2005, 05:32 PM
Haha, tell me about it! I had 4 passengers in my 66kW 20yo Civic. I almost didn't make it up! I couldn't believe how steep it was. The Dipper was crazy too, I was cruising up to it thinking cool, the Dipper... then I was thinking OH S#!T THE DIPPER! Got very light and almost lost it even going really slowly. I look at the Bathurst race differently now having driven the track. The rest is your usual race track stuff, but up in the forest is insane! It must be hell to get the setup right for that track.

LUD02C
05-07-2005, 05:36 PM
You are 100% correct about looking at the race/track differently after driving the track.
The amount of knowledge the teams have of the track does help them.

The dipper the first timedoing 60km/h in the Prelude was scary, I would love to have a go in a V8 supercar!

hihidamon
06-07-2005, 09:27 AM
Guys, too much off topic discussion lately in this thread ... oh... bring back F1! :wave:

jackosimm
06-07-2005, 10:04 AM
Id love to drive around bathurst one day, that would be great fun.
Im sure I would appreciate the mountain a lot more after seeing it first hand, and noticing how damn steep it actually is:D

^^v
08-07-2005, 01:28 AM
FIA / AMD F1 survey 2005
93,000 fans responded !
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94% want more overtaking

Formula One fans want more races, more teams, more overtaking and more emphasis on driver skill according to the findings of the FIA/AMD Formula One Survey 2005, the largest and most comprehensive analysis of public opinion ever undertaken in motor sport.

<LI>94% want more overtaking;
<LI>74% want more emphasis on driver skill;
<LI>69% want more teams;
<LI>84% want 18 or more races in a season.

Max Mosley, FIA President
“Fans from all over the world agree that the most important challenge to F1 in the next five years is to maintain competitive racing. Many want to place more emphasis on driver skill and less on driver aids. It is also clear that the majority of fans are unhappy with the current qualifying system.

“These and other views will be an invaluable addition to the consultation process on the future rules of Formula One, which began formally this week. For the first time, fans’ opinions will form an essential part of this process.”

Henri Richard, AMD Executive Vice President
"As an industry leading technology partner, AMD is proud to have put our customer-centric philosophy to work with the FIA to help connect Formula One fans around the world and help shape the future of Formula One racing through this unprecedented survey.”


“It’s encouraging to find that a majority of fans look forward to the technical innovations each season and most believe that technology developed in Formula One has improved the development and safety of road cars. We’re excited about the overwhelming success of this survey and look forward to working more closely with the FIA to continue improving one of the world’s great sports."

Survey
Independent research specialists TNS Sport analysed more than 93,000 completed surveys from fans in 180 countries worldwide. The majority of respondents have been following the sport for at least six years and many for more than ten. Almost all describe themselves as either very interested or extremely interested in Formula One.

The driver and technology
<LI>88% say showcasing the skills of the drivers is the most essential aspect of Formula One;
<LI>80% agree advanced technology sets F1 apart from other motor sports;
<LI>74% want more emphasis on driver skill and less on driver aids;
<LI>64% look forward to the technical innovations each season.

Only 15% of fans think Formula One incorporates the right balance of technology and driver skill. Almost two thirds think Formula One currently showcases the most advanced technology in motor sport but only a third believe it showcases the best drivers. In the next five years, almost three quarters of the fans want to see more emphasis placed on driver skill and less on driver aids.

Calendar
<LI>84% of fans want 18 or more races a season;
<LI>28% want 21 races or more;
<LI>69% said that the sport should travel to even more new countries.

With the 2005 season incorporating 19 races some of the current teams have argued for a shorter calendar. But that opinion is not shared amongst fans, 53% of whom strongly disagreed that there are too many races on the calendar. Most fans said new circuits had increased their interest in the championship. This was especially the case with younger fans rather than older fans.


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Monaco is the favourite circuit of the F1 fans

Circuits
The most popular circuits are Monaco and Spa with 55% and 53% of fans respectively saying their interest in Formula One would decrease if these circuits were removed from the Championship. Other circuits were voted for as follows: 49% Silverstone 25% Indianapolis43% Monza 24% Interlagos38% Suzuka 23% Barcelona35% Imola 20% Magny-Cours29% Montreal 18% Sepang27% Hockenheim 17% Hungaroring27% Nurburgring 15% Bahrain26% Melbourne 14% Shanghai 9% IstanbulApart from the three new circuits in Bahrain, Shanghai and Istanbul, which have had little or no time to gain favour, the least popular tracks were considered to be Magny-Cours, Sepang and Hungaroring.

Television coverage
<LI>99% of fans watch Formula One on TV;
<LI>76% will watch all 19 races;
<LI>68% watch all of the race coverage;
<LI>36% watch all of the qualifying coverage;
<LI>54% think television coverage has improved in the last five years.

With the increasingly international nature of Formula One, television has become the essential medium through which fans follow the sport. Japan is the most avid nation of viewers with 87% of fans intending to watch all 19 races this season. This compares with 79% in the UK, 68% in the US and 60% in Germany. Most fans agree that coverage has improved in the last five years. The vast majority of fans (95%) praised the increased use of onboard cameras. Many also commented on the increased quality of programme content, such as driver profiles, interviews and pit updates.

Over a fifth (22%) of fans believed that TV coverage had deteriorated. They blamed the lack of depth of coverage, the quality of the commentators and too much attention focused on the race leaders. Qualifying is not as big a draw as the race. Fewer fans watch it on television and a massive 70% would prefer qualifying to be decided by the best time from a specified number of flying laps.

Media and marketing
In the last 12 months:
<LI>95% of fans visited a dedicated Formula One website
<LI>89% read about Formula One in the newspaper
<LI>48% bought team merchandise
<LI>40% purchased a product or service of a sponsor

Most fans follow the sport via websites and newspapers. But just 55% were willing to buy a Formula One related publication.

Many show their support with team merchandise. This is especially the case in the US where 57% bought Formula One team merchandise in the last 12 months. In Germany just 38% bought team merchandise. A number of fans have bought sponsors’ products. Again, US fans were the most supportive, with 58 per cent buying the product or service of a sponsor in the last year. In the UK, just 34% did so.

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^^v
09-07-2005, 06:31 PM
(GMM) How fast can a Formula One car go?

It's a question that'll be answered when BAR plonk a Brackley based contender on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah (US) some time in October.

Team CEO Nick Fry, who said around 250mph is the target, confirmed that the 007 will have a parachute installed at the rear, and run very low downforce.

''It's a Lucky Strike idea,'' he told Autoweek.

''At Monza, we do approximately 220. (At Bonneville) we think it should be able to exceed 250mph (413kmh).''

Fry said either Adam Carroll or James Rossiter, both junior drivers, would steer the car.

Bonneville is a 121 square-kilometre salt flat in north western Utah. The quickest land speed recorded there exceeded 600 miles per hour (1000kmh).

f1.net

enoch
13-07-2005, 09:43 PM
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jackosimm
14-07-2005, 07:48 PM
lol thatll be nuts!! Quiet a good idea for them to test how fast they actually can go, suprised it hasnt been done before(maybe has, I really dont no). Wouldnt the parachute affect a whole lot of aero and so forth??

Vivski
15-07-2005, 12:41 AM
Are the salt flats really smoothe and flat enough for an F1 with its low ride height and F1 tyres?

^^v
15-07-2005, 01:25 AM
i think the world land speed record was held there... n thats lik 1000kmph+...
so it would HAVE to be flat if u plan on going those speeds...

^^v
15-07-2005, 02:00 AM
"...Michael Schumacher would just blow him away..." lolz pretty strong words there from Eddie



The Button-Ferrari rumour
Not Jenson but Kimi claims Irvine
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Where next for Jenson Button?
The lead up to the British Grand Prix last Sunday was always going to be all about home-favourite Jenson Button and on cue the Daily Mirror newspaper reported that Jenson Button could be on his way to not Williams, but Ferrari.

The thinking behind the speculation is that Rubens Barrichello could be on his way from Ferrari at the end of the season despite his contract running to the end of the 2006 season. Jenson Button, looking for a new seat, could slot into Barrichello’s number two Ferrari role. Not according to former Schumacher team-mate Eddie Irvine.

“Any suggestion Jenson will go to Ferrari next season is laughable,” Irvine told The Sun newspaper earlier this week. "Michael Schumacher would just blow him away. And that would not be a great career move. Anyway, Ferrari are not interested in Jenson. The man they really have their eye on is McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen."

Certainly Ferrari boss Jean Todt has never his admiration for Raikkonen while McLaren Mercedes are more than keen to hold onto the services of the Finn.

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Vivski
15-07-2005, 02:01 AM
Yes, but those cars are designed for the salt flats. F1s are designed for the racetrack. Well, I assume the tyres will handle it. Seems to me like a pretty abbrasive surface but what do I know. And I assume there wont be too much dust choking up the engine.

^^v
15-07-2005, 02:03 AM
Push to pass coming to Formula One?
Regenerative braking system the key for 2008
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Passing for position in recent races has been
confined to the starts and the pit stops.
Back in 1998, one team was developing a device to generate extra engine power from the heat produced during braking. Back then, the FIA vetoed the innovation. Now, however, the idea could be adopted to improve the spectacle in Formula One and enable more overtaking. FIA president Max Mosley is in favour of this, and so are the manufacturers.

Mosley suggests the introduction of regenerative braking systems, whereby heat generated under hard braking would be stored up in a battery to give the drivers an instant extra 60 horsepower for around five seconds, would improve the racing by enhancing overtaking opportunities. The drivers could use this increased power by pushing a 'boost button'. A similar system is already being used in the Champ Car World Series.

In Champ Car, the 'push to pass' or 'power to pass' system is controlled by increasing the turbo boost at the touch of a button for a maximum of 60-seconds during a race, taking and refining an idea first used by Formula Palmer Audi some years ago. The push to pass system has worked well in Champ Car for drivers both defending their position and trying to make a pass on the car in front.

Clearly overtaking is one of the issues that needs to be addressed in Formula One, after a survey carried out by the FIA revealed that more than 90 percent of race fans want to see more cars passing each other. The British Grand Prix last Sunday saw little passing save the start of the race off the line with drivers' all focusing on making 'passing' manoeuvres during the pits stops. Push to pass in Formula One along with massive changes to the aero-characteristics of the modern chassis are long overdue.

E.A.
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imo i think this is a really good idea...
but how does it work? will there be a separate electric motor?

nEUROtic
15-07-2005, 11:04 AM
I hope it doesnt mean reintroduction of turbos....gotta think of another way to implement it

LUD02C
15-07-2005, 04:18 PM
There is a mechanical genious on site at my work, and he is German.
He loves football (soccer) and F1.

He told me something interesting today, he said:

He was watching some German TV and they had a 5 series BMW new kind, and this years BMW F1 in Monaco aero.
Now the test was F1 car let go of accelerator and BMW car braked.
The F1 car stopped quicker with the Monaco aero and no brakes then the BMW car braked.

I'm not sure what the speeds where, but the F1 car was going over 150km/h that I can remember.

Interesting I think so!

Oh and Jenson will go to Williams or stay at BARHonda.

LUD02C
15-07-2005, 04:29 PM
On a quick Side note, and this matters becuase both manufactures are in F1 ;)

Mercedes-Benz AMG introduces world's most powerful naturally aspirated V8

Stuttgart, Germany - Mercedes-Benz AMG division unveiled a new 6.3-litre V8 engine that is claimed to be the world's most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine. It combines high-revving performance with a large displacement. Developed entirely by AMG, it generates an output of 510 hp at 6800 rpm. Thanks to its large displacement, the V8 by AMG develops around 20 percent more torque than comparable naturally aspirated engines in this performance class.

Made completely from high-strength aluminum, this naturally aspirated V8 engine has features derived from motorsport. Together with a variable intake manifold featuring two integral throttle flaps, the vertical arrangement of the intake and exhaust ducts ensures perfect cylinder charging. Bucket tappets in the cylinder heads allow a stiff valve train and therefore high engine speeds. Variable camshaft adjustment, a particularly rigid closed-deck crankcase and cylinder walls with a new, revolutionary LDS coating are further attributes of this V8 engine.

The new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine will soon be available in a new high-performance AMG car.


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In parallel with the road and racetrack trials in various test vehicles, the new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine was subjected to rigorous tests on the ultra-modern dynamic test benches at AMG; these can accommodate engines with an output of more than 735 kW/1000 hp.

LUD02C
15-07-2005, 04:32 PM
Oh and this because it makes me feel warm inside.

Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual/Tiptronic
Engine Type: V8
Displacement: 4308 cc
Horsepower: 531 bhp @ 8500 rpm
Redline: 8500 rpm

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