h22a vs wrx

[accordforlife]

this maybe on the wrong thread but if it is move it please

hey going to get my h22a soon to put on my accord anyway wat mods will i need to be a stock 99 or 2000 model wrx?? i know youll beat saying turbo but dont want that anything else?? as anyone beaten a wrx with h22a?? let me know wat mods u have anyone know how many kw atw wrx has

[DaViSoN]

stock will do hehehe...

[dc2dc2dc2]

i don't think u could beat a 99' stock rex....rex just has to launch the **** off it..and its c u later...it might not gain any ground on u...IMO don't waste money trying to beat a rex. remember honda's are made for track not straight line speed.

[DaViSoN]

yeah true from stop start u wont have a good chance. But rolling start could prob take a stock one with basic IHE

[accordforlife]

u reckon there is no chance at all?? how bout NOS?? and other type of mods

[dc2dc2dc2]

u would need quite alot of $$$ thats all i'd have to say.

[DaViSoN]

its a 4wd turbo...
thats alot of catchin up to do lol
jus do rolling start

[accordforlife]

cool cool just wanting to know how thats all

[|N|]

if u cant beat them... join them....

honda s r not designed for straight.... but if thats wat u want to do ... it requires $$$$$

[accordforlife]

i dont mean a straight line like a circuit or something

[accordforlife]

just reading a wrx forum and this guy dyno tuned his stock 99 rex and was doing 120 kw atw h22a stock is about 110 or 155 atw not much different if i add little mods maybe im stupid but wouldnt i keep up with it??

[|N|]

just reading a wrx forum and this guy dyno tuned his stock 99 rex and was doing 120 kw atw h22a stock is about 110 or 155 atw not much different if i add little mods maybe im stupid but wouldnt i keep up with it??

ever thought abt tourque???
its pretty important on a track

[Catcha]

just reading a wrx forum and this guy dyno tuned his stock 99 rex and was doing 120 kw atw h22a stock is about 110 or 155 atw not much different if i add little mods maybe im stupid but wouldnt i keep up with it??

why don't you go post that question up in the WRX forum :D

I would like to see the answer posted here when it's done

[h22a accord]

a h22a accord with intake and exhaust WILL beat an 02 wrx with exhaust in straight line drag race unless the wrx driver does a really good launch ( rev its **** off and side step the clutch)

its been done before hehehe

[accordforlife]

thats wat i thought but people saying wrx99 will beat h22a
anyway how many tourqe does h22a has?? wrx99 has 292nm


a h22a accord with intake and exhaust WILL beat an 02 wrx with exhaust in straight line drag race unless the wrx driver does a really good launch ( rev its **** off and side step the clutch)

its been done before hehehe

[Spoon-Accord]

:D dont compare kilowatts guys.. all comes down.. too.. actually racing them.

cause i have :P

[tRipitaka]

:D dont compare kilowatts guys.. all comes down.. too.. actually racing them.

cause i have :P

but then you have the driver factor..

[h22a accord]

i think h22a has about 220nm or something around there.

[Benji]

a AWD turbo will always win off the mark as there's no wheel spin. I used to have a Mitsubishi Galant VR4 and i'd leave everyone behind.

So when you beat a WRX will you feel good that you spent a few $k to do it?

[h22a accord]

ahhh, power to weight of stock my04 wrx is 8.4kw/kg

power to weight of a stock h22a accord ( no intake or exhaust etc) is 8.6kg/kw


subaru has 168kw 1410kg
accord has 150kw 1290kg

[h22a accord]

a AWD turbo will always win off the mark as there's no wheel spin. I used to have a Mitsubishi Galant VR4 and i'd leave everyone behind.

So when you beat a WRX will you feel good that you spent a few $k to do it?


yeah, generally it costs 4k+ for a good h22a swap.

[Spoon-Accord]

corse i feel good.. i got a accord and just raped a rexy.. how funny is that?
no matter wat it is.. H22a is naturally aspirated

wrx is turbo.. thinkg bout it.. corse u would be happy too..

Kenny



a AWD turbo will always win off the mark as there's no wheel spin. I used to have a Mitsubishi Galant VR4 and i'd leave everyone behind.

So when you beat a WRX will you feel good that you spent a few $k to do it?

[vti_ek9]

"just reading a wrx forum and this guy dyno tuned his stock 99 rex and was doing 120 kw atw h22a stock is about 110 or 155 atw not much different if i add little mods maybe im stupid but wouldnt i keep up with it??"

big difference there....120 all wheel kw..(120 at all four wheels)...compare to 115at the front wheels....

[Benji]

good point, i would be happy but i'd rather spend the money else where, my gf wouldn't let me do it either.

[vti_ek9]

seriously...
i think it's pritty dam hard to beat a stock rex with a good driver in it...

[poid]

if the wrx driver knows how to launch, a h22a will need serious mods to reel it in on the street (as you dont race 400m on the street). If he doesnt know how to launch then it would take only basic mods.

[sikcivic]

Ahhhh the good old orange and apples thread.

I own a WRX now.

If you want to beat Rex, buy a Rex.

I have lost to several S2000, and a few Type-Rs.

If you want to beat a Wrx comfortably, id suggest purchasing one of those Honda's.

[WPN.22R]

dude if ya cant beat a stock wrx in your stock h22a you cant drive... talking from experience i would line my mate up (he got his car same time as me) he would get the jump, but by 3rd gear i reeled him in with no probs (off the line) even my other mate with a gt4 celica same deal!!

unless theyre boosted they shouldnt beat ya!

[albii]

owned a lancer gsr, liberty rs and forester gt all great off the mark but out of puff after about 120kmh.......mate who owns a my99 rex said he raced a accord euro and got him off the line easily but then the euro started reeling him back in after about 120kmh....... a bit more road and he reckons the euro would have got him......he asked me..what engine does that thing have in it cos it goes well..

[THRUST]

You wont beat a WRX with a H22a, not in a straight line anyway...
I went up against a 2004 version totally stock, 0-100 Im about 4 cars infront,
100-150 the lead narrows down to 2 lenghts, it passes me at about 190. The WRX had a female passenger and didnt launch but neither did I.

[vti_ek9]

ahaha....a stock h22a would neva beat a stock rex..well not 99 to 05 models...
i dunno about euro's...i should think they go okai...neva seen then go but...
WPN.22R...i dunno how the hell you beat a stock rex with a stock h22a...wat they do 1/4mile stock?....16's?
rexes do low to 14flat stock..
sure u didn't race a rx?

[EuroAccord13]

Just a reminder to you guys to keep this thread in line with no mention of Street Racing as per T&C :)

Happy Chatting :)

[dundas]

Mmmmz... don't rexs require to launch @ 5000rpm for their 0-100 in less then 6 seconds??? man screw launching @ dat rpm.. prefer to have a clutch that works :)
Ummmz.. H22a, i should drive one one day see how it compares to the 94-98 wrx. aint the newer rexz more powerful//.../,,

easiest way to beat a wrx, let his tyres down :P

[Catcha]

Mmmmz... don't rexs require to launch @ 5000rpm for their 0-100 in less then 6 seconds??? man screw launching @ dat rpm.. prefer to have a clutch that works :)
Ummmz.. H22a, i should drive one one day see how it compares to the 94-98 wrx. aint the newer rexz more powerful//.../,,

easiest way to beat a wrx, let his tyres down :P

You should go and drive one, might answer some of your questions :D

[WPN.22R]

just to mention that 5th gen ludes have longer gear ratios compared to my 4th gen. it makes a hell of a difference!!

one of the guys 'from the forum' and i done a little umm...'testing' on a highway and one with 5th gen box and other 4th gen... and the difference was really noticable too!

im telling you guys its possible!

[man.exe]

The gearbox on the WRX's are the weakest link (goodbye :p). So unless you really get them excited they wont go all out 7Krpm launch on you.

[dundas]

hahaha.. i dun think any of da wrx owners really want to give a proper launch or even know they suppose to launch @ such high rpm for low times. mmmz.. test drive which car LOL h22 or mr boxer? i think i will require to test a h22 driven da boxer already (older model, not da 2000+)

[h22a accord]

vroom vroom, i cant wait till my cars fixed and you all come down to the wagga wagga cruise.

[redliner]

well atleast h22a can launch at 6000-7000rpm like some1 i know...
thats jus crazy... lets just say the outcome all gd for da h22a

[Catcha]

The gearbox on the WRX's are the weakest link (goodbye :p). So unless you really get them excited they wont go all out 7Krpm launch on you.

Exactly cause they don't need to....but I'm sure you obviously go to proper drag meets, Those guys are the ones that launch at between 5000-6000rpm.

[jackosimm]

Yeah, and a lot get the ol heavy duty clutch as a temporary solution, then goodbye gearbox!

[DaViSoN]

well... speakin from experience
h22a are very tough engines.. but in the end comes down to driver mate..
If you lose to a stock wrx... you know u cant drive hahah

[accordforlife]

guess wat my mate that just bought a wrx just lost to a accord h22a his rex was stock 00 model and the only thing the h22a had was cai full exhuast and adjustable cam gear. he showed me a vid on his phone h22a beat him 1 cars length. he could not beleive it, he wish he bought a accord h22a he told me the accord was going 8000 rpm ill try get a vid

[h22a accord]

if i do a launch at any rpm then full throttle it all i get is massive wheel spin. i mean, i could drop the clutch at 2000rpm and feed it full throttle straight away and it spins out to redline. you have to feather the clutch at around 3500-4000rpm then once you get going give it all its got...then vtec hits and you can feel the tyres slipping again lol.


I have never dared to launch at any higher than 5000rp....h22a has rev limiter set at 6500rpm if u have the clutch in anyway.




well atleast h22a can launch at 6000-7000rpm like some1 i know...
thats jus crazy... lets just say the outcome all gd for da h22a

[vti_ek9]

hurmmz....h22a...with cai......exuast....cams....runs about 15's?...correct??
i've got a friend who owns a dc2r and has 110atw...runs 14.4...now that thing can go against rexy's and alot of stock turbo cars

[civ_sik]

ahhh, power to weight of stock my04 wrx is 8.4kw/kg


are you sure man lol, that would be one fast wrx :P that 11844kw in that wrx lol

[nitro]

The gearbox on the WRX's are the weakest link (goodbye :p). So unless you really get them excited they wont go all out 7Krpm launch on you.

The wifes got a 01 WRX... you don't need 7k rpm to launch it... 3k-4k with a little slip of the clutch and it'll pull a car length on just about anything... Of course you have to get it just right, or you'll bog down or smoke the clutch :)

[h22a accord]

are you sure man lol, that would be one fast wrx :P that 11844kw in that wrx lol


lol. i got the figures wrong way round.. it should be 8.4kg/kw , not 8.4kw/kg

my bad.

[h22a accord]

hurmmz....h22a...with cai......exuast....cams....runs about 15's?...correct??
i've got a friend who owns a dc2r and has 110atw...runs 14.4...now that thing can go against rexy's and alot of stock turbo cars


h22a accord with cai and exhaust will easily run in the 14s- go look in the quarter mile times. they should be quicker if they have cams and ecu.

most h22a accords are running JDM engine and ecu and have the JDM M2B4 LSD gear box with the best ratios for quick times.

[Catcha]

The wifes got a 01 WRX... you don't need 7k rpm to launch it... 3k-4k with a little slip of the clutch and it'll pull a car length on just about anything... Of course you have to get it just right, or you'll bog down or smoke the clutch :)

people that never own a wrx will never understand...that :D

[faijai]

good luck to u beating a wrx

[vti_ek9]

seriously...i nver though accords were quick...alwayz though that they were just normal family cars...
mayb because i neva seen them go....
ohh wellz...mayb one day a accord would actually try me...
but i'm very interested in the accord euros..wat engines do they have?...its a 3ltr vtec correct?..they go hard?

[euro77]

euro has 2.4L i-vtec engine. The 3L one is the V6 Accord

[albii]

who cares about rexes anyway...they are unrefined buckets of crap....they dont handle that well and they dont stop to well either...big whoopee doo...they are so over rated but in actual fact is that unless they are worked they are not that quick.....and yes i have driven quite a few wrxs and i have owned 3 turbo awd cars in the past......

[albii]

seriously...i nver though accords were quick...alwayz though that they were just normal family cars...
mayb because i neva seen them go....
ohh wellz...mayb one day a accord would actually try me...
but i'm very interested in the accord euros..wat engines do they have?...its a 3ltr vtec correct?..they go hard?
seen road tests that have a 6 speed euro pulling 15.2 standard so yes they are quite rapid..

[vti_ek9]

15.2..thats pritty quick...
don't dc2r pull somthing like that stock...??
my weekend car is a rex...it doesn't handle like a type r but goes up against the big boys in a straight line.....eg...gtrs....supra rz...evos...
but the rex handles good enough for me...as i don't usually gun my car around corners...

but i really do like the handling off my friends type r...
on GOR he practically left us behind...
type r is the top off the range integra....
top off the range wrx is sti...thats abit more fair when it comes down to handling...normal wrx only has front lsd...
sti has lsd front n back so i would imagine it would handle much better than a wrx

[Catcha]

15.2..thats pritty quick...
don't dc2r pull somthing like that stock...??
my weekend car is a rex...it doesn't handle like a type r but goes up against the big boys in a straight line.....eg...gtrs....supra rz...evos...
but the rex handles good enough for me...as i don't usually gun my car around corners...

but i really do like the handling off my friends type r...
on GOR he practically left us behind...
type r is the top off the range integra....
top off the range wrx is sti...thats abit more fair when it comes down to handling...normal wrx only has front lsd...
sti has lsd front n back so i would imagine it would handle much better than a wrx

you have overcompared with an STI and type R which leaves you open to a 10g difference between the two.

But its funny why people use a wrx as a bench mark for comparing cars? how come ? why? why not compare it with a EVO 5 or a R32 GTR. Or anything else AWD.

AWD cars shine when they are run in the wet for the grip factor and on gravel in rallies. On track they will need a bit of help with suspension mods but will understeer badly when stock.

So seems like we are comparing apples to oranges AGAIN

[blkeuro]

But its funny why people use a wrx as a bench mark for comparing cars? how come ? why? why not compare it with a EVO 5 or a R32 GTR. Or anything else AWD.


The reason why the WRX is used as a benchmark when people talk about performance cars is because it is the best bang for your buck performance car that the 'average' person can afford. Its turbo AWD and it only costs mid-40K to get on the road - and it has stock performance that could outrun more expensive european "sports" cars....thats why its always used as a benchmark.

Lets face it, any sports car in the honda range (except the NSX) stock cannot beat a stock WRX - thats a given. Honda's were never engineered to be straight line rockets, otherwise there would be turbo charged models..

[filoaccord]

can wait till i put a h22a end of next month, my car now has died wouldnt even start no more, needs a transplant :)

[busboy]

my friends say that a h22a can beat a wrx on rolling start. What do u guys think?
i know for sure that h22a can beat a stock c18 but i dont know about Wrx though

[cleary]

I'm no expert, in fact I don't know very much about specs on cars at all, but I know this:
My friend has a wrx, and if you put it up against online's crx, it would lose.

Therefore, a crx will obviously beat a wrx.

/sarcasm

my point is it's a pointless argument to have.
The person who would win is the person who has the most money to spend on performance.

[EuroDude]

When the wrx hits turbo ... adios h22a muchacho

H22A ~164kw, 217nm
rex ~184kw, 294nm

Plus I think the rex is lighter too.

[busboy]

im talkin about a stock wrx.
wrx is good for accelleration coz of the 4WD system, but h22a DOES have pretty good top end.
at the lights h22a would have no chance, but on rolling start i rkn h22a would have a pretty good chance

[chunky]

man the wrx is over rated

[poid]

stock WRX's on a rolling start are pretty slow...i've destroyed some. A h22a powered accord should be able to beat one with a half decent driver

[Omotesando]

H22a stock will probably kill pre MY03 WRX stock rolling start above 2nd gear.

Don't think it'll be close to the MY03-MY05 nor MY06 WRX though, these are much faster rolling start.

[Q_ball]

stock WRX's on a rolling start are pretty slow...i've destroyed some. A h22a powered accord should be able to beat one with a half decent driver
hahaha
but your accord is special poid ;)
listen guys, seriously, threads like this is stupid and always tend to get locked about 2-3 pgs in for ppl steer off track and post up talk about illegal st races etc.
If you want to compare these 2 completely different cars, then take both cars to the drags and go head to head!

[Rico]

this topic has been talked about before

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20855&highlight=h22a+wrx

anyways I think its very possible depending on the mods you do, I remember BLKCRX or maybe it was proecu anyways one of them was talking about how he tuned an h22a accord with just CAI, exhaust and adjustable cam gears and got it to 146kw atw so more serious mods with some weight reduction and id say its very possible.

[dsp26]

erm... the older 95ish shape wrxs aren't fast at all. i don't know why people always benchmark against them... though no doubt STIs are fast.

i don't lose to stock-ish wrx's.. i dont see why you cant beat one....

[destrukshn]

i can beat mine in my civic.. when the rex isn't trying. hms...
lol.

[Goble]

dude i can beat a wrx on my pushy if the guy doesnt know how 2 drive,
theres to many variables with that question

[xtercii]

When the wrx hits turbo ... adios h22a muchacho

H22A ~164kw, 217nm
rex ~184kw, 294nm

Plus I think the rex is lighter too.

Which oz wrx ever came in with the power figure of "184kw"?
first batch was 150kw, then 155kw, then 160kw, then 168kw, the wp10 was 175 kw, STIs came in 206kw and 195kw.

[dundas]

LOL.l google.com.au is my friend :) use it and find out o-100 times. 1/4 times there we go. use a Prelude h22a if u cant find any times . or better yet. check out the timeslips here.. then look on wrx australia LOL

[yourfather]

H22A prelude is same speed as B18C2 VTi-R Teg.

VTi-R teg is slower than WRX.

[crx51]

Mate as much as i love hondas i would guarantee that a wrx will beat an accord or prelude with a h22a if both cars are stock. Other than the very first shape 94' model, there is little lag to speak of and a flat broad and bloody big torque curve. A wrx would beat the accord just as easily in roll on as it would from a standing start. If you picked 50increments to do the rollon from and to you would be lucky to find one that the accord will win. I have seen many rollon tests in magazines and 3rd 4th and 5th gear any rex in the last 8years would have no trouble beating a prelude at all. There have been reviews with the prelude vtir vs rex vs 200sx and the prelude was beaten easily by the turboed cars. Also reviews with wrx and type r integra show the wrx win every time (and before the arguments of torque advantages of the h22a, the gearing of the type r gives similar torque at the wheels anyway plus its lighter. Read..faster and still loses by a decent margin to the wrx)
Like i said, i love hondas but really there are more reasons than straight line that i like them for. They are quick in their own right, they are very well made, handle nicely, ride nicely etc etc but a wrx WILL beat it in acceleration tests. But like i said 'who cares?' I mean its interesting to know and i understand why you ask the question as everyone loves to get comparisons like that but the answer is simple, the rex is quicker. But the accord is probably a much better car to drive to the coast and back.

[busboy]

"H22A prelude is same speed as B18C2 VTi-R Teg."

i dont think the VTi-R teg is as strong as the h22a. ..
yous must be talking about the aus spec h22a

[jooboo]

stock type Rs can beat stock wrx's rolling start

[smoknhothonda]

But seriously how many stock WRX's are out there!

I have a few mates with them, and I know for a fact they are damn quick street cars with just minor mods (FMIC, ECU/CHIP, Filter, cat back exhaust) = 180kw at all 4 wheels on a conservative dyno.

I doubt a N/A H22A would come close to that, but compared to a stock WRX Im sure a H22A would at least somewhat keep up.....

[h22a accord]

it depends on the driver. The h22a in an accord is very capable. I have seen it with my own eyes lol.

[h22a accord]

also a h22a prrelude is going to be slower than a h22a accord as the accords usually are fitted with the jap spec h22a engine which comes with closer ratio gearbox for improved acceleration, an LSD and uses the jap spec ecu which is tuned for 100 octane. the 4th gen preludes are 190 hp and the equvilent jap spec ( where most of the front cut engines come from) are 200hp.


go look in the timeslip database- j-specs accord has pulled a 14.4 which is faster than a current model WRX and even faster than older rexes.

[coladuna]

No way in hell h22a accord will be able to beat a WRX.
I had a Prelude Si VTEC before and now have a MY05 WRX and the difference between the two cars in terms of sheer power and acceleration is chalk and cheese.

[burma]

the prelude si didnt come with a h22a....
i'd say it will be close depending on driver

[busboy]

Si VTEC?
Si's arent vtec. ..
Prelude Si is just 2.3 no vtec isnt it?

[coladuna]

the prelude si didnt come with a h22a....
i'd say it will be close depending on driver

Geez. Clearly you don't know much about Prelude do you?
Si VTEC is a JDM only model and not the same as AUDM Si's that were sold here.

[hengis]

h22a vs wrx
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zprpirMCZIE&search=wrx%20

rsx-s -/ integra-s > h22a right?
this clip here is
stock 06 wrx vs rsx-s on a ROLLING START
judging by this video here, it has no chance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_as05gm_H_w&search=wrx%20

easy to see, rolling start or not:thumbdwn:

closed.

[dundas]

LOL eliminated in that battle LOL

[Speeder]

go look in the timeslip database- j-specs accord has pulled a 14.4 which is faster than a current model WRX and even faster than older rexes.

Yeah whatever :rolleyes:

Close this thread...

[Rico]

why close this threaD? why do people take it so seriously that an accord can beat a rex? its very possible, and jspecs accord had no serious mods done to it so an accord with some serious mods could very easily play up to be something mean...well thats if the wrx is stock but yeah

btw accord type r is a bit different to tuned h22a cd5 accords, different shape, etc etc

anyways if you really wanna leave the rex for shit just turbo the h22a

[nickowns]

this comparison is a bit dumb :/ you already know on a stop-start, wrx will win hands down, so you create a situation where it's a rolling start to hopefully gain an advantage, yet to shame us NA engines again. I think unless you're on a s2000 vtec'in at 11k rpm NA style, not many stock honda range (cept NSX) can be faster than wrx.

[dc2dc2dc2]

lol..... subaru > honda

[SiReal]

haha...who cares man...my car couldnt even beat a 121 bubble cos i was on the wrong gear in auto, and she was in 1st gear in redline!

[coladuna]

Whether it's a rolling start or a start from stand still, rex will always beat H22A Accord easily. If you think otherwise, you haven't driven a rex.
Unless you spend $50K-60K, there aren't many cars out there that comes anywhere near the rex in terms of sheer performance. Turbo H22A? It's still a FWD and it'll struggle to put the power on the road anyway. Besides, if you spend a fraction of what it costs to turbo the Accord on a Rex, it'll still be faster yet again.

[yfin]

Whether it's a rolling start or a start from stand still, rex will always beat H22A Accord easily.

I wouldn't be so sure of that Coladuna. The jdm h22a is powerful engine coupled with the relatively light accord body (eg lighter than your WRX)- strange call to say it would be "easy". I have driven the WRX in both STI and standard varients and from rolling start I never felt either was anything remarkable as it took time for the turbo to spool up.

The question was not about a standing start where the benefits of 4WD and a turbo being dumped from massive revs clearly holds the advantage.

Unless you dump your model WRX from high revs it is a 7 second car (or maybe very high 6s) to 100kph (from idle launch). Care to prove me wrong on that?

Anyway "rolling start" is somewhat of a meaningless expression. In what gear, and from what speed? So many variables and it is impossible to say in all circumstances the WRX would succeed.

[Catcha]

Catch a wrx off boost on rolling and you'll win, both of these cars against a V8 on a rolling and it will be bye to both honda and subaru.

[h22a accord]

can i ask an honest question? How many ppl in this thread have actually driven or been in a h22a accord?


* puts hand up *

[Rico]

*puts hands up* in cams :D

dw cam, most ppl here dont realise the potential h22a accords have

[Catcha]

Honestly why a WRX, and not a SS V8. Why is it always used as a bench mark for other cars.

[dsp26]

^^^ true lol!!! however i'd choose a Ford XR6T over either of those anyday...

[crx51]

stock type Rs can beat stock wrx's rolling start

No offence at all to be taken from this mate but there is absolutely no way this is correct. Been in both and driven both - not even close sorry. There are also a million magazine reviews that all say the same..

"integra is more race car, more raw and more connected BUT the rex will get point to point quicker without working as hard and will win every aceleration test hands down"

I love the type r, i want to buy one next but if you want your car for acceleration only then a wrx is a far better proposition.

[Omotesando]

No offence at all to be taken from this mate but there is absolutely no way this is correct. Been in both and driven both - not even close sorry. There are also a million magazine reviews that all say the same..

"integra is more race car, more raw and more connected BUT the rex will get point to point quicker without working as hard and will win every aceleration test hands down"

I love the type r, i want to buy one next but if you want your car for acceleration only then a wrx is a far better proposition.


Actually the Type R DC2 or DC5 can beat a stock WRX (prior to MY03-MY06).
I drove these cars on numerous occasions and also dragged them a lot during my S15 days. The WRX is way over-hyped even if modded.

A stock Type R IS stronger than a stock WRX. Driving a WRX only 'feels' faster because it pulls a stronger G-Force during the mid-range, very short period from no boost to on-boost period from 3000-4500rpm range. Or from a rolling start with the AWD jump off the line it achieves nearly 1G for a short period. Whereas the Hondas have lower G-Force all the way but pulls more consistently. Its just area under the curve.

After that mid-range pull of the Rex, the gearing and the top end power of the Type Rs win very slightly. If you check the Top Speed of a DC2R on most circuits (say on MOTOR) it is also always faster than a stock WRX. AND, the trap speed of a Type R is also faster. Trap speed as in 0-400m mph.kph.

[Catcha]

Actually the Type R DC2 or DC5 can beat a stock WRX (prior to MY03-MY06).
I drove these cars on numerous occasions and also dragged them a lot during my S15 days. The WRX is way over-hyped even if modded.

A stock Type R IS stronger than a stock WRX. Driving a WRX only 'feels' faster because it pulls a stronger G-Force during the mid-range, very short period from no boost to on-boost period from 3000-4500rpm range. Or from a rolling start with the AWD jump off the line it achieves nearly 1G for a short period. Whereas the Hondas have lower G-Force all the way but pulls more consistently. Its just area under the curve.

After that mid-range pull of the Rex, the gearing and the top end power of the Type Rs win very slightly. If you check the Top Speed of a DC2R on most circuits (say on MOTOR) it is also always faster than a stock WRX. AND, the trap speed of a Type R is also faster. Trap speed as in 0-400m mph.kph.

There was a motor magazine i once read and still have it lying around at home comparo against a DC2R and MY00. The WRX beat it everytime and was a better car all round.

Type R are good for the Circuit. and it will beat a WRX Stock for stock.

In the end this a camparsion to apples to oranges. A modded WRX is a weapon and will put a smile that can't be wiped off even if your in the passenger seat or the driver.

can't really mod a Type R to and extent of a WRX or any turbo car for that matter EVO or STI or WRX with AWD. For the Type R to get the same power you would really have to Turbo charge it which really defeats the purpose of of N/A.

Anyway for the the Price when you compared a DC5 and WRX back then . It cost nearly 50g to put a Type R on the road compared to 40g for a WRX. 10g more for a car that can only really shine on track compared to a wrx which has shined on numerous occasion with ram raider.

I llike honda which is why I have one. But gotta be realistic and know when to draw the line.

Current HSV will give it to most of our cars but are big full guzzlers, it a choice of what makes you happy and what you can afford in the end.

[yfin]

There are also a million magazine reviews that all say the same..

When Wheels (or it could have been motor) first tested the s2000 they got 0-100 in 8.2 seconds. I still have that magazine! So don't believe everything you see in magazines. And which model WRX is the thread starter talking about - I have a magazine article that showed one manual WRX doing high 7 sec to 100kph (7.8sec? - 02 bug eye - can't remember?). Hardly earth shattering. There was some comment about the engine being tight, blah blah.

I still come back to the question of what is rolling start. What gear, what starting speed - to what final speed? Do people remember that Top Gear test of the Evo (IX I think) against the basic econo box (citreon?) in top gear from 30mph? The econo box beat the Evo to the end of the runway. That is a rolling start too.

The ridiculous god like status the WRX has reached in Australia is amazing and seems to be unique to this country. People hear the word "WRX" and assume it will win any acceleration test regardless of gear, rolling start or otherwise. There are many unassuming cars out there that will shame WRXs in overtaking at freeway speeds (Saab Turbo comes to mind and plenty of Mercs). So lets keep things in perspective. Fantastic car off the line if you are happy to be mechanically unsympathetic - but definately not invincible in any gear at all speeds.

ps. good to see this thread liven up the Accord forum!

[yfin]

this topic has been talked about before


Thanks Rico - I have merged the old thread with the new. The "old" is more about standing start - the "new" (from post 60) is about rolling.

[coladuna]

I have a magazine article that showed one manual WRX doing high 7 sec to 100kph (7.8sec? - 02 bug eye - can't remember?). Hardly earth shattering. There was some comment about the engine being tight, blah blah.


Remember that MY02 aka "bugeye" is the slowest WRX of all time, which is why it was so unpopular along with the hideous look.

I've had two Honda cars. The first was Prelude Si VTEC and the second, the Euro (manual). The sheer power and acceleration in the WRX is earth shattering when compared to either vehicle. My friend who has had BA Falcon XR8 auto is sure it's faster than his XR8. Now, that's not a fact since it's just his impression, but it does give some guidance as to how quick the WRX is. Type-R has no chance against WRX at least from 0-100kph.

[albii]

Remember that MY02 aka "bugeye" is the slowest WRX of all time, which is why it was so unpopular along with the hideous look.

I've had two Honda cars. The first was Prelude Si VTEC and the second, the Euro (manual). The sheer power and acceleration in the WRX is earth shattering when compared to either vehicle. My friend who has had BA Falcon XR8 auto is sure it's faster than his XR8. Now, that's not a fact since it's just his impression, but it does give some guidance as to how quick the WRX is. Type-R has no chance against WRX at least from 0-100kph.
thing is the wrx is all based around the 0-100 hype and that was their marketing strategy and it worked...if anyone even bothered to actually drive a wrx over 100kph they would find a well sorted 4cyl or even a family v6 would keep up if not beat it..

[Det_Me_Baby]

h22a vs wrx
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zprpirMCZIE&search=wrx%20

rsx-s -/ integra-s > h22a right?
this clip here is
stock 06 wrx vs rsx-s on a ROLLING START
judging by this video here, it has no chance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_as05gm_H_w&search=wrx%20

easy to see, rolling start or not:thumbdwn:

closed.

HEY FELLAS WATCH THE VIDS ABOVE!!!

i like this guy better to see with your won eyes rather than speculation

its simple the wrx is 14 sec car and the accord is a 15 sec car

it seems to me 14 is lower then 15 sec so the WRX is faster

all u guys sayin the h22a has a chance whats wrong with you? the h22a is slow as shit!

now put ur blouses back on and just accept the fact that turbo cars will always be better in a str8 line


Thanks

[dsp26]

^^^um actually dno about the 04-06 wrx/stis but the highest factory spec that Subaru let out ON PAPER is 14.7 on 1/4mile.

i think what ppl here are failing to see are the minor mods.... a DC2r wont really beat one... but with a full exhaust it will... i have seen one time and time again... even the yellow R i saw on woodville road was shitting all over a CV8 Monaro an screeeeaaammed past me.

an H22A with I/H/E WILL beat a STOCK WRX.... a STOCK H22A WILL NOT!!!

[aaronng]

A stock WRX usually puts 120-125kW at the wheels. I reckon the 4WD driveline saps quite a bit of power. From a standing start (0 km/h) the WRX is quick off the line. But if you are comparing rolling starts from say 30km/h, they might match each other in acceleration.

[Catcha]

After owing a MY99, the only thing I hated was the turbo running out of puff at about 140kph, MY Jazz feels like it would get to 140kph to 160kph in no time. compared to the rex

They are good for 0-400mm sprints anything else on the standard turbo forget about it. Upgraded turbo and its a totally new ball game.

[dsp26]

^^^F*** Oath it saps power hahaha 3 diffs....

[dundas]

LOL. This is a weird thread. si VTEC prelude in Au?
mmmz.. if u put both drivers of the same skill level etc. in one wrx and one h22a Accord. the WRX will win. sorry.
The wrx can get a killer start providing he has a 5000rpm start. the AWD traction is really great. ---
how is the bug eye slower than the other wrx? what is the differencce?? other than its funkii looks?

btw, my BA XR6 Turbo will whoop both of those cars :)

[coladuna]

thing is the wrx is all based around the 0-100 hype and that was their marketing strategy and it worked...if anyone even bothered to actually drive a wrx over 100kph they would find a well sorted 4cyl or even a family v6 would keep up if not beat it..

Well, even above 100kph, the acceleration, when compared to Euro, is far more rapid. I would've thought the Euro would be considered a "well sorted 4cyl" I don't see the Euro beating the Rex at any speed really.

[coladuna]

LOL. This is a weird thread. si VTEC prelude in Au?
mmmz.. if u put both drivers of the same skill level etc. in one wrx and one h22a Accord. the WRX will win. sorry.
The wrx can get a killer start providing he has a 5000rpm start. the AWD traction is really great. ---
how is the bug eye slower than the other wrx? what is the differencce?? other than its funkii looks?

btw, my BA XR6 Turbo will whoop both of those cars :)

If you didn't realise, there are privately imported examples of Si VTEC in Australia. Is that so hard to figure out on your own?
The bugeye was heavy and had less power as well. It was the worst WRX ever made.

XR6 Turbo handles like a boat unfortunately and the engine sounds like crap. My friend who had XR8 until very recently admitted that XR8 drives like a boat around corners. I hope you are sleeping well at night thnking about the money you are losing every night on depreciation. I would never buy a Ford after seeing my friend lose $15K on depreciation in 8 months on BA Falcon XR8. lol

[dundas]

LOL.. i see a debate happening here..
well first of all.. i actually did not purchase the XR6T brand new... im not that silly :) i waited as i know fords value do not hold too well :D so i agree with that sense and feel sorry for ur mate :( 22k on a BA XR6T is not too bad i must say. Anyways...i rekon the bugeye looks hot. watever people think.
oh wells all in all this is about the accord vs the WRX--- straight line drag. :)

[Catcha]

Straight line drag anything will keep up with a WRX till about 3rd. I had fun with and S13 it was N/A, he got the jump as i wasn't prepared. In front in 1st beside me in 2nd, all over in 3rd. backed off and went on my way.

Bugeye was the heaviest compared to the MY00 but it brought refinement to the WRX, now the MY06 dubbed pig nose is to me not that bad looking I still wouldn't buy one. subaru has its ups and downs, who know what style it has in the future. they knew they stuffed up with the Bug eye, so they brought the MY03 and etc i see the same situation with the MY06

[Zilli]

WRX's are fun

shit driver - catch me

good driver - should stay even

great/insane driver - me in a feotal position at home

[CHU85]

for all those peeps who've never seen a h22a accord go, i think u should keep an open mind.
Off the lights, a good driver with an accord may do the job, but its pretty hard. On the highway, an accord with i/h/e, the accord will beat the rex (with exhaust mods).
How do i know? cos i've owned one thats n/a and boosted. So stop bagging the accords!!!!! hahaha!

[Catcha]

for all those peeps who've never seen a h22a accord go, i think u should keep an open mind.
Off the lights, a good driver with an accord may do the job, but its pretty hard. On the highway, an accord with i/h/e, the accord will beat the rex (with exhaust mods).
How do i know? cos i've owned one thats n/a and boosted. So stop bagging the accords!!!!! hahaha!

So what do you classify as beaten??? 1st gear does not coun't ??? how far how long...0-400mm ??? this thread is like how long is a string

[crx51]

top speed is irrelevant so dc5r being marginally quicker at top speed means lttle, that comes down to aerodynamics and power/torque. Roll on tests are hard for a magazine to stuff up and the wrx wins in all roll ons to 150. After 150 yeah they tail off but again irrelevant - who cares if you can win from 180-190? That just means the difference between 5and6years license ban.

Drive your car and enjoy it i say. If you want definitive answers dont ask anyone basically. Get a stock h22a accord and a wrx and do a 60 - 100 roll on in third onto a highway and tell us how you go. Ill back the rex. If you win in the accord well done but there is no point everyone arguing blue in the face either one will win. But really the accord will need to be significantly quicker than the 94' aus prelude vtir, 2000' aus prelude vtir, dc2r and dc5r to have a chance. If it is then cool but seeing everyone is arguing with p/w i would be confident the dc2r has a better p/w than the accord h22a. Again though i dont really care, im impartial. Im a performance car fan, if a car drives well then im keen to drive them regardless of brand. If your accord wins then thats awesome but you'll be doing well to win.

We'd all love to hear real results, speculation will get us nowhere as noone will agree.

[Omotesando]

Slowest WRX is in fact the MY01 (in Aust) not the MY02, due to gearing problems with MY01.

Try to go uphill at around 30kph in 2nd on an MY01, it takes 5 seconds before it starts to go. A terrible ride :(

MY03 onwards has the AVCS system which means its mid-range power is much higher - as such I doubt any Honda's can catch it. And the MY06 even has a 2.5L instead of 2.0L, which makes it even harder to beat.

In that RSX-S vs MY06 video, that was a 2.5L Turbo - it sure should need to beat the RSX-S but then again its not even that much more infront!

RSX-S(Type S)/DC5R/H22A all pretty similar performance anyway..

[h22a accord]

btw, my BA XR6 Turbo will whoop both of those cars :)


i wouldnt be so sure of either an auto or manual xrt getting to 100kph from a standing start faster than a h22a accord. :p My mate's and me didnt believe what we were seeing either!

[vtec90accord]

wrx have a lot more tourque becuase of there turbo, and i know from my h22 that they are a bit slugish down low. wrx are beatable with a stock h22 but need a roling start as everyone else has said. you can gain a bit of power down low by putting decent extractors on but it desent help that much.

[dundas]

i wouldnt be so sure of either an auto or manual xrt getting to 100kph from a standing start faster than a h22a accord. :p My mate's and me didnt believe what we were seeing either! LOL damn u Mr Det8R, ruin my dreaming process hehehe. mmz has my cover been blown?

[Catcha]

Latest wheels or motors can't remember....XR6 is faster than the wrx and XR5 in that comparsion.....:)

[yfin]

Autospeed has a good article on the 02 STI. This backs up what a lot of us are saying. Remember this is the king 195kw STI - not the base model.

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_1463/article.html?popularArticle
Quotes:

It's pretty sad that the STi gets gobbled up by ninety percent of traffic in normal day-to-day driving. No joke - caught out at anything less the mid-range rpm, the Super Rex is an absolute s-l-u-g.

...

Somehow, despite weighing 1470 kilograms (a considerable 200 kay-gees more than the previous STi sedan) Subaru Australia say their new hero can manage 0 - 100 km/h in 5.45 seconds; we can't help wonder where the 50-horse nitrous shot was hidden! Independent testing reveals more realistic low 6-second 0 - 100s. But critically, without a huge clutch-dumping launch, you're well up into the 7s.

...

Despite its wide-open throttle, the STi proved unable to muscle its way past a humble Mitsubishi Colt in the adjoining lane....

...

Embarrassing - not to mention dangerous - situations like this quickly teach you the MY02 STi is a no-goer at anything below mid rpm. It's tractable - yes - but don't expect any useable acceleration.

[Catcha]

The Bug Eye Sti may be porky bit it still has all the STi bits, nothing a turbo upgrade and aftermarket ECU, and Exhaust. Not as fast as it should be BUT still can be a real weapon

[Da1nONLY]

i wouldnt be so sure of either an auto or manual xrt getting to 100kph from a standing start faster than a h22a accord. :p My mate's and me didnt believe what we were seeing either!

oh the BA XR6T can be a weapon. :)
a bit of tuning, and a bit of boost will put the car into the sub 13s category.

[crx51]

They still went sub 14s in some quarter mile tests with the correvit. But yeah 2001 and 2002 were the years of the sh&t rex's. Very laggy dog of a motor still went hard on there way to 8k revs. Take a 2003 though and you have a well sorted car, wouldnt mind driving an 06.

[Omotesando]

MY01 and MY02 STIs are slugs below 4000rpm. Well it doesn't actually reflect the performance of the normal rexes - due to both ECU tuning and Turbo differences between the STI and WRXs. STI has much more top end but lack bottom end torque. Although the MY01-MY02 WRXs are slugs below 3000rpm, ECU, gearing, no AVCS, all wrong!

MY03s onwards they're really quick off the line or rolling start... especially WRXs. STI still has peaky tune though not as exaggerated as the MY01-MY02s bug eyes..

[Catcha]

MY99-MY00 were the quickest in stock form out of the factory, the MY03 have taken that lead now. MY06 has just lots more useable torque compared to the other motors cause of the 2.5.

MY01-02 are average but nothing a bit of mods and a VF34 turbo can't fix :)

[civic_mods]

Okay guys,seems like a very interesting discussion here. First of all, if you think a H22A with CAI,exhaust can beat a stock 2000 rex,that's impossible.It is possible if that driver didin't try at all.......I use to got a EK1 civic VTi with header,cat back and CAi,and my mate is driving it and i driving my rex(yes i got 2 cars),the rex i got have 190kw atw......in first gear,my civic which is driving by my mate can catch up with me(because i spin the wheel of the rex too much)......after i change to 2nd,the rex just gone and no way for my VTi to catch up........after that,i sold both car and got a stock STI 2 door,the STI not as quick as my modded Rex,but still can beat any car easily....and i did try to drag with a H22a ACCORD WITH Turbo kit,etc on my previous rex(when it was totally stock),i can still win it easily.........After all,i just get a DC2R a week ago........the DC2R i got is stock atm,and i can say it no way can catch up with the rex.....because i had own all this car,so i can say that......if you think i am bullshxt or dreaming i had own this 4 cars before,ask me for pics or etc to prove anyway.......few members in here had saw me in the cruise and know what cars i got......

Conclusion is, they are different Class of car......don't compare them....Honda are fun to drive,nice handling,etc,but just don't think honda can beat the rex in anyway.....think about this way, a 160kw FWD with handle as good as a 160Kw 4WD rex???it's doesn't make sense.....if you like to put $5k or $10k to modify a H22A accord to beat a stock rex and you feel happy.....do it.....but no way u can handle like the rex in corner for a FF with that much power.....and how about the rex owner put $5k to modify their rex? $5k is enought for a stock rex to have 180+kw at all 4 wheels........Yes the gearbox in a rex is weak.....but they don't even have to rev 7000rpm to beat u.....maybe in 1st but not in 2nd gear.....

[Omotesando]

You are confusing some things.

The AWD Rex DOESN'T handle well. It is a permanently understeerer. In fact its cornering speed isn't very fast at all, due to the lack of balance in chassis and lack of LSD. (STI is another story).

AWD's advantage is traction out of corners, NOT handling and NOT mid-corner speed. Even in the wet its cornering speed isn't necessarily better, its just that after the apex the drive can accelerate 'easier'.

Its other advantage is 1st gear and AWD launch.

2ndly your REX is modded.... and your 2nd rex is the STI. We're talking about the stock REX here dude.... don't take things out of context....


The boxer engine in the REX is weak as, if I want an AWD I'll buy an EVO over it anyday, due to the inherent lack of torque in the boxer engine down low.... mainly because of lack of gravity on the down stroke.

I had an S15 with nearly 200rwkw before..... obviously no Honda can catch up with it.

But when it was stock, it already had better Top End than any REX bar an STI.... and yet, I KNOW some honda's can match its rolling speed.

[civic_mods]

"if I want an AWD I'll buy an EVO over it anyday"

Although i had got 2 Rexes b4,but i agree with this point,boxer engine and gearbox are just sooooo weak.....you can't thrash it like a honda :)......

[Rico]

HEY FELLAS WATCH THE VIDS ABOVE!!!

i like this guy better to see with your won eyes rather than speculation

its simple the wrx is 14 sec car and the accord is a 15 sec car

it seems to me 14 is lower then 15 sec so the WRX is faster

all u guys sayin the h22a has a chance whats wrong with you? the h22a is slow as shit!

now put ur blouses back on and just accept the fact that turbo cars will always be better in a str8 line


Thanks

The Accord Type R has the F20B engine and thus is a little slower than an h22a accord and doesnt have anywhere near the tuning possibilities.
and an H22a accord with basic mods is a 14 second car. But apart from that turbo>na

[aaronng]

The Accord Type R has the F20B engine and thus is a little slower than an h22a accord and doesnt have anywhere near the tuning possibilities.
and an H22a accord with basic mods is a 14 second car. But apart from that turbo>na
Accord Type R (CL1) has the h22a. The Euro R (CL7) has the k20a. Between the 2, the Euro R would be faster on the track, but in a straight line it would be even because of the CL7's shorter ratios.

[Rico]

whoops the SiR has the f20b...but I hear the honda accord type R has a destroked h22 2.0L engine
but i might be wrong again..

im pretty sure the Euro R has a h22a7 engine with a single stage manifold but that could be the older models..the k20a i think is in the new models

but still, the accord type r and cd5 + h22a engine are two totally different things

[yourfather]

whoops the SiR has the f20b...but I hear the honda accord type R has a destroked h22 2.0L engine
but i might be wrong again..

im pretty sure the Euro R has a h22a7 engine with a single stage manifold but that could be the older models..the k20a i think is in the new models

but still, the accord type r and cd5 + h22a engine are two totally different things

Euro R is a K20A, not H22A.

[aaronng]

In Japan, the CL1 is called the Euro R as well So you're right, it is a h22a.
Only UK called it the Accord Type R.

And yeah, SiR with the f20b... nice engines.

[MRH-22A]

i think all the accord R's are from UK

there's the 2000 model EuroR with the h22a7, and a Accord TypeR with the h22a, and the 2003 EuroR with the k20a, SiR with f20b, SiR Wagon with h23a.

[clokx]

run me !!
:D

[aaronng]

run me !!
:D
Keep it to the track.

[clokx]

Keep it to the track.
yeah of course mate !!

im not allowed to drive on the roads anyways !!

[Dray_Templar]

The all-new 3.0-litre VTEC V6 is introduced on the Accord V6

'This engine produces 147 kW of power at 5500 rpm, along with a flat torque curve peaking at 265 Nm at 4700 rpm.

maybe i should turbo my baby one day and see what i can get out of it.

[Limbo]

can't rem if i commented on this but...

I watched a Prelude H22 (new model Jap spec import and AUTO!)l run a WRX (with exhaust) on a rolling start and the h22 won, i was shocked i say! then they ran again, same result, then they did a proper start, almost on par, but i missed the ending as someone distracted me.....

[[[d a n n y]]]

Euro R is a K20A, not H22A.

there is a EURO R in the old models
i am pretty sure it b4 the new CL7
it runs the H22a i looks like the toreno (i think it's called)

[stephen8512]

the old euro r is called the CL1

[danni_d]

if the wrx was stock and it was a rolling start then the h22a would have a chance of winning

[vtegra]

what would u say if it was a h22a in a 1990 integra LS??

[TECBOY]

if u cant beat them... join them....

honda s r not designed for straight.... but if thats wat u want to do ... it requires $$$$$



exactly.
u will never beat one off the line. even with i/h/e (4wd turbo has too much grip and torque)

[vtegra]

so u tellin me that my mate with a 99 vtec integra beat a wrx with me in the car was a dream?? imagine a h22a, yeh a wrx is mad but u gota think to urself honda is the best fwd makers, thats wat they specialise in especially vtec. if u know how to handle the clutch to require the amount of grip u need to take off then u have no problem,

[TECBOY]

99 integra is a different story. i have seen heaps of tegs blow away wrx's. However keep in mind Vtegra that the prelude is a heavy heavy car and although has more power than a aus spec type r it is no where near beating it due to gearing and weight.
:)

[dc2dc2dc2]

and integra cannot beat a wrx off the line.
same goes for a prelude
as well as an accord.

that is all.

this is a lame thread, dunno why its still open.

[vtegra]

an integra can beat it off the line, seen it done.

[Q_ball]

Any car, can beat any other car off the line, it all comes down to driver.
All these stupid comparison threads are pointless.
Take it to the track and find out for real, rather than stir up 13 pages of pointless "my mate smoked this car in his WRX blah blah blah!!"
Grow up ppl!

[coladuna]

is this stupid thread still going?
If I had the time or could actually be bothered, I would love to prove to dillusional drivers that no stock honda can beat a wrx in a straight line drag race. If someone you know did beat a wrx in a honda, the driver in wrx would have been a crap driver.

I have driven a number of Honda cars before switching to a WRX, so I think I have a better idea of what's faster compared to the people who says "my friend beat a wrx off the line" crap

[h22a accord]

i'll ask the question again- how many peeps have driven an accord with a JDM h22a engine conversion?

this is a ghetto video of my speedo doin the ton. watch carefully and you will see that i dont take off until about a second into the clip and when it hits 100 the elapsed time of the vid is in the 6 second vicinity.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v223/dtaila/?action=view&current=Sub6time.flv

[coladuna]

i'll ask the question again- how many peeps have driven an accord with a JDM h22a engine conversion?

this is a ghetto video of my speedo doin the ton. watch carefully and you will see that i dont take off until about a second into the clip and when it hits 100 the elapsed time of the vid is in the 6 second vicinity.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v223/dtaila/?action=view&current=Sub6time.flv

I don't see how a Accord with H22A engine will be that fast.
I haven't driven one, but I have owned a JDM Prelude Si VTEC and WRX feels a lot faster. Prelude is actually lighter than CD Accord by about 30kg.
Not sure how you claim the same engine will be so much faster in an Accord shell.

[Chris_F]

is this stupid thread still going?
If I had the time or could actually be bothered, I would love to prove to dillusional drivers that no stock honda can beat a wrx in a straight line drag race. If someone you know did beat a wrx in a honda, the driver in wrx would have been a crap driver.

I have driven a number of Honda cars before switching to a WRX, so I think I have a better idea of what's faster compared to the people who says "my friend beat a wrx off the line" crap

nsx is a stock honda :confused:

[miko_]

i had a simular thread and got deleted
=[

[Shaggin Wagon]

get over it ppl,
wrx= bred performance car with potential
accord= luxurious medium size car with moderate power to get u moving.

[yfin]

i had a simular thread and got deleted
=[

well if people keep street racing out of this I don't have a problem with it..

[sodaz]

Rexys are excellent performance cars for the price. The only thing I don't like about them is the basic, low rent interior, "not so attractive" exterior and insurance costs. Otherwise I probably would've bought one instead of the Euro.

[miko_]

lol it wasnt even for street racing
just exactly the same as this

[dc2dc2dc2]

i rekon it should be closed. These "VS" style threads have too many variables are and stupid. Like i have said a trillion times take it to the track and find out for urself and tell us how u went.

[MRJDM]

I don't see how a Accord with H22A engine will be that fast.
I haven't driven one, but I have owned a JDM Prelude Si VTEC and WRX feels a lot faster. Prelude is actually lighter than CD Accord by about 30kg.
Not sure how you claim the same engine will be so much faster in an Accord shell.

i have witnessed h22a accords car running a boosted civic that would beat rexies convinsingly...
and his was neck and neck with the civic...
i have the video somewhere on this forum to prove the point...

[h22a accord]

I don't see how a Accord with H22A engine will be that fast.
I haven't driven one, but I have owned a JDM Prelude Si VTEC and WRX feels a lot faster. Prelude is actually lighter than CD Accord by about 30kg.
Not sure how you claim the same engine will be so much faster in an Accord shell.


my point is that too much of this thread is based on hear-say. I dont know why a JDM h22a in an accord goes so well but i am making this claim because i own one.

The reason why a rex feels faster is that they pull almost 1g during acceleration due to the initial boost of the turbo but thats about it.

[Omotesando]

I agree. The Rex feels fast but honestly isn't that fast.
Even a slightly modified one doesn't pull 1G in 1st gear, its more like around 0.6X G to 0.7XG. But if you do an AWD launch it'll pull 1G for a fraction of a section... probably for like 0.2 of a second LOL.

Its all about the power delivery band - which is sudden mid-range boost from nothing. It makes one think its really fast, when in reality - its just fast. A mid 13 high 14s car.

[sodaz]

Nah a stock WRX doesn't do the quarter in 13s. It does it in 14s. Only the Stis and Evos do 13s.

[yourfather]

Cant wait to munch an sti when im turbo

[[[d a n n y]]]

this thread is pretty damn funny..
lol
even though i have no respect for rexies..
maybe the Sti..
i think it'll be a pretty close game between a H22a and a wrx
in my b16a civic i've run against my mates H22a 5th gen
it was neck and neck but every gear shift i would go ahead as he wasnt a good driver.
anyhow...H22a's are torquey but i dont think there is much chance of a stock H22a eating a stock rexy.
like what kind of idiot races to 140-150 km/h ? unless u want to loose your liscence and not see it for a while.

[Omotesando]

Yes I know that but I did mention slight modded!
Which is I/E and its a mid-13's car.

Most higher revving Hondas with Header/Intake/Exhaust can do higher mph over the 400m than a WRX, and low 14's.

So its just a matter of power band and launching :)

[Catcha]

Cant wait to munch an sti when im turbo

yeah well you can munch a standard Sti when you upgrade but when the Sti upgrades its turbo you be back to square one again......

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of N/A :o

[Omotesando]

Out of fun, I should mention there's a vid of an RSX-S Turbo munching an E46 M3 on Youtube.
Actually I've munched a couple of them in my ex-S15 before. I had 15Xrwkw (with turbo mid-range power obviously, that no N/A can match) and was already walking very slowly away from an E46 M3 like that RSX Turbo. When I had more, I was walking them by car lengths.

So turbo does wonders. But then again, Catcha is right. What's the point of having N/A then? The answer is extra torque which makes car go fast at high speeds, which is inadequate in 4 cylinder hondas due to gear ratios multiplying effect losing efficiency at higher speeds.

And the speed limit is only 100kph anyway.

So why do we need to drive a fast car? Why do we bother making comparisons with a Toyota Prius Hybrid when that is perfectly adequate? Why do we even come on this forum to discuss or to read magazine reviews?

Notice I'm being slightly rhetorical and sarcastic here. Of course, we just want the faster ride somehow.... :)

[Catcha]

you can have the fastest car if you have a fattest wallet, i'm sure with unlimited funds you can make an excel fly :p

[aaronng]

Time to close the thread.... Too much streetracing in it.