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^^v
28-05-2005, 07:19 PM
discuss away fellas:D

nEUROtic
28-05-2005, 07:26 PM
I um, like to shoot birds at the airport...

Vivski
28-05-2005, 08:47 PM
That's considerate of you. Much better than them flying into the engines of the planes.

Mr Vti
28-05-2005, 09:56 PM
WOOHOOO nick on pole beat webber.

Vivski
28-05-2005, 09:57 PM
NOOOOO, Kimi, not meant to do that!! Should've been a Williams front row. Then we would've seen a drag race to the first corner to finally see if it's Webber or the car which can't launch. But 1 & 3 a great result for the Williams-BMW team. They're either BACK or they're freaking light!
I guess we'll see tomorrow night.

And congrats to Nick Heidfeld for his first F1 pole at his home GP.

JDM.Power
28-05-2005, 10:09 PM
yeah congrats to nick!
but IMO kimi is going to win! his good at the start.
but the one to watch is alonso an his flying launch off the start

LUD02C
29-05-2005, 09:23 AM
How interesting is this?

Michael Schumacher was the fastest man on track!
While Kimi, Alonso, Webber, Heinfeld etc are much slower!
Both Ferrari's are quick, but why is Michael in 10th and RUbens in 7th

If they run both Michael and Rubens longer could it work for them?
We know Michael is quick, and with track temps being 50 degree's the Bridgestones should work well.

But well done to Nick for the pole, Webber has to get a good start, if Trulli or Montoya gets ahead of him I think Webber will keep on falling down the order!

Good luck with the tips this week, going to be lots of retirements!

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 10:44 AM
that is an interesting top 10, like this year has been so unpredictable. Come on Schuey!

Vivski
29-05-2005, 12:51 PM
How do you figure that Schuey's quickest? He's been nowhere on the timesheets in practice. His fastest lap so far this weekend is a 1:31.05

stormridah
29-05-2005, 02:21 PM
i reckon the starts gonna be hilarious, the macs and renaults are gonna fly into the first corner leaving the williams behind haha...

we all know webber cant start for crap...everytime hes qualified high, hes always dropped about 3 places from the start.

still want him to win a race tho, feel sorry for the guy

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 02:49 PM
Webber's starts haven't been the greatest, but everyone know's its mostly the vehicle, Webber said 90% of the works done automatically.

Vivski
29-05-2005, 03:44 PM
I think the Williams-BMW starts can be put down to a few things.

Firstly engaging the traction control. Sometimes it just stuff up completely and splutters.
Then the traction control itself. They cant get the power to the ground properly.
And then the engine. It clearly doesn't have the power of the others.

Renault have the complete package. You rarely see them splutter off the line and their engine is just incredible. Has so much more drive than the others.

That's my take on it. Feel free to keep blaming Webber, but if you actually watch it carefully, you can break it down and see just where the Renaults have the advantage.... everywhere! Lol.

Lucky for everyone, the Renaults are hard on their tyres.

Vivski
29-05-2005, 03:47 PM
Ferrari are leaving their charge pretty late. Michael's chances are very quickly slipping away. It's a bit disappointing, 'cos it would be awesome to have Alonso, Kimi and Schuey battling for the title at the end of the season. They're really the only guys capable of putting a string of wins together at the moment.

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 05:05 PM
true that, there's no one that has a real large advantage in points terms apart from alonso, it is still anyones season personally

Mr Vti
29-05-2005, 05:20 PM
Hmm i think ferrari are starting to get upto speed and i would not be surprised to see a strong showing from them in the race. Also why does webber blame williams for the poor starts? It seems to me that he is the only one to blame.

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 05:47 PM
it will be an interesting race, might actually see some form and see a slight leader emerge over the next few races in canada and usa

civ_sik
29-05-2005, 06:11 PM
go kimi!!! he will be in fornt by the first corner, hope webber can make his car move

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 08:18 PM
go kimi!!! he will be in fornt by the first corner, hope webber can make his car move

Hope BMW can make Webber move :p lol na, I think it's a combination of them both, not equal, but a combination at that

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 08:39 PM
Chance of rain there saying, but seems unlikely at the moment! Temperature heading for 30 degrees! Interesting stuff:thumbsup: 1:20:21 to go!!!

LUD02C
29-05-2005, 08:50 PM
How do you figure that Schuey's quickest? He's been nowhere on the timesheets in practice. His fastest lap so far this weekend is a 1:31.05

f1.com > Qualifying > Quickest times ;)

Vivski
29-05-2005, 08:55 PM
“I want to congratulate Nick on his first F1 pole. It was a super lap and he deserves it." - M. Schumacher in his post-qualifying comments. What a nice guy he is.

For the interested, there's a short article on the old Nurburgring here:
http://www.formula1.com/news/3096.html

Vivski
29-05-2005, 08:58 PM
I reckon watch for Montoya this race. The car's quick and he's due for a podium.

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 09:00 PM
see, stuck up prick he is not!

LUD02C
29-05-2005, 09:02 PM
I wanna see Renault and McLaren in the heat and/or rain.
We know the Williams and Ferrari's are ok in the heat.

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 09:09 PM
id love to see some rain, hardly enough this year:thumbdwn: getting closer now, watching that countdown just tick along

Vivski
29-05-2005, 09:45 PM
I think I'll wait and watch it on Ten instead of online. But that's still an hour away, argh!

jackosimm
29-05-2005, 10:04 PM
online sucks!!! lol channel ten all the way

bigteethygrin
29-05-2005, 10:05 PM
I reckon it must be killing webber to see his no2 driver out performing him all the time.

Looks like Webber needs to keep one eye on his job at all times.. Jenson will be free of BAR next year by the looks and Williams will definitely take him in and if Webber is no.2 driver at that stage then he's out on his arse. Heidfield is german isnt he?? If so then Webber might need to really improve well beyond Nick so that BMW cant intervene with driver selection as well.

stormridah
29-05-2005, 10:05 PM
how do you watch it online?
coolstreaming doesnt have qualifying n stuff no more
does it still have the race

bigteethygrin
29-05-2005, 11:48 PM
webber incident.. buggar... I reckon it looked a little unclear who was at fault though

nEUROtic
30-05-2005, 01:20 AM
OHH FOR ****S SAKE!!!! Looks like his luck has returneth.

bigteethygrin
30-05-2005, 01:29 AM
WOW just finished watching the race and it was awesome!.. what a spectacular finish! For those who missed it Kimi was holding onto the lead by a thread with alonso bearing down on him. Kimi had a bad front right tyre causing heaps of vibration which was why Alonso was able to catch up to him. Kimi probably could have won the race.. he had about 3/4 of the lap left to go and then BANG! the suspension couldnt take the vibration anymore and practically exploded sending kimi into the wall and alonso through to win the race. It was so tense!.. I was on the edge of my seat waiting to see if Kimi's car would make it!.. Great finish.. and another 2nd place for Heidfield.. Barichello finally seeing a podium this year with 3rd.

^^v
30-05-2005, 01:51 AM
man the last couple of races have been good!..
but this one takes the cake...
lolz as marten or james said "im shaking"... n rightly so... i was on the edge of my seat during the final laps... how close was kimi to victory! poor guy.. less than a lap to go n his sussy gives out.. n BARELY misses Buttons car...

disappointing to see the BAR's run so poorly... maybe they reduced the rev limiter on the 7 week old engines?... hope they do better in Canada with the newer spec engine n aero..

meh im gettin sick of alonso winning!:thumbdwn:

pornstar
30-05-2005, 01:58 AM
Awesome RAce, only shitty thing is that i missed out on my tips, cos i was so excited to see BAR go again! I dont know what the go is with BAR, they just dont have the pace :(

kenshin
30-05-2005, 02:05 AM
considering they were using engines in storage for 5 wks they came right about where i thought they would be...

they should have done what others predicted and forego the 10+ qualifying penalty and run with the new spec engines to get a more competitive package...
oh well next race will show how far bar has really come in the grand scheme of things...

Vivski
30-05-2005, 02:14 AM
DEVASTATED. ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATED!!!!

The only thing which didn't go to plan was Button escaping the collision with Raikkonen's car. It would've been just Button and BAR's luck to be collected at a closing speed of 100km/h.

Oh dear, Kimi, Kimi, Kimi. Webber, Webber, Webber. BAR, BAR, BAR. Then my pick Montoya did a Webber and got stuck in traffic for the ENTIRE RACE!! And to rub salt in the wounds, my tips were looking good until the last 10 laps.

And to all the Schumacher lovers out there. Haha, he's still nowhere near the pace. The Toyotas are still better than the Ferraris when you look at qualifying and the race. The Red-Bulls are better!

To all those who are going to start the shit-stirring about Webber and Heidfeld... Webber's rightful place in Monaco was 2nd... Webber was on a better strategy than Heidfeld here and would've been strong... if you criticised Webber for the incident with Fisichella then you can't jump on Webber for this incident you biased freaks. :p
Now are you convinced that it's the Williams-BMW which is slow off the line and not Webber?
He'll be back. Just you wait. And it's obvious that he's ahead of Heidfeld everywhere. The only time Heidfeld was quicker than Webber was in qualifying when he had about 10laps less fuel in his car.

And Fernando Alonso.... has he got a jeanie in a bottle or something? Twice now Kimi has lost 10 points in a race he was leading. Unbelievable. You have to say he was lucky that the crash wasn't HUGE!! It was always going to fail at speed and anything could've happened. He must've missed Button by less than 10cm!

While I'm ranting (if anyone's still reading)...
THAT WAS THE WORST TELECAST OF A RACE SO FAR THIS SEASON. It was attrocious!! They were ALWAYS showing the wrong cars, for some reason they were obsessed with showing Jacques Villeneuve. What's going on? Whenever there was a dice between the guys in the points, they'd cut to a slow-mo over the cicaine, the pit crew or team director scratching his butt or Villneuve running with the Jordans. It was attrocious.

And the BARs were just plain crap. No excuses... they sucked.


Having said all that. What a frantic race. An absolute cracker!! If all the races are like that for the rest of the season, we're going to be some very entertained fans.

-Viv-

Vivski
30-05-2005, 02:26 AM
I can see a couple of reasons why BAR didn't take the obvious option and swap the engines.

1. Could they prove to the FIA that the engines were damaged to justify a change? They could've been penalised even more and been forced to serve the 6 month suspended sentence!!

2. If the engine exploded they could have a bitch whinge about the FIA's rules.

3. Their race was already boned. So they could instead get this race out of the way and take a brand new engine to Canada.

Kawasaki
30-05-2005, 08:29 AM
ahhhhhhh i dont think i got one tip! stupid webber its all stupid

Hondavirgin
30-05-2005, 09:12 AM
I agree with you Vivski, Amazing Race! the how good has the racing been this season!

Credit to Webber for taking the blame squarely on the chin, although i thought it was another Webber/Fisi incident all over again and neither were at fault. But my prediction was right, if he hadn't crashed he would have lost two places off the line! :D . Heidfeld's pace was deceptive with that fuel load, although he did end up with 2nd so can't be that slow.

Kimi's DNF was 50% his own fault though, not all bad luck, he did flat spot the tyre. It was a great finish anyways, but would have been nice to see Alonso pass him on the track on the last lap (and he would have, he was slow as under brakes).

And even though none of the damn commentators mentioned it, I will being as i'm a fisi fan. Starting from the PITLANE AND MAKES UP 14 PLACES, COUNT THEM, FOURTEEN!!!!! TO GET SIXTH!, and it would have been more if he wasn't stuck behind button for the entire middle stint. Who says he's not fast?!

David must be kicking himself too, but i reckon the previous owners of Red Bull (Ford) must be kicking themselves more. Red Bull have already been more successful than I ever remember Jag being!

Whats up with Michael? car must have speed but he just doesn't seem to have the same presence and drive anymore........ And i was never a fan of Jacques, and i think we're seeing his true speed now, i.e. none.

anyways, did i mention Fisi made up 14 places?! :D

ASSASSIN
30-05-2005, 11:38 AM
Stayed up late to watch it and webber was out in 20 seconds so i went to bed hehehe....
whats up with the take off i think my car can launch better then webbers!!

Vivski
30-05-2005, 01:22 PM
Oh yes, in all my ranting, I forgot to mention Fisi. What an awesome effort from him!! To make up that many places is a brilliant drive from pit lane. He did get a bit lucky with his pit stops, somehow getting out infront of Montoya in the last stop.

It's strange with Kimi's tyre. I was first going to blame him 100% for the tyre problems. He did flat spot the tyre, but he wasn't really pushing all that hard. And if you looked closely, Montoya had a flat spot on the same tyre despite being stuck behind slower cars. Whenever he pushed to try and make a pass, the right front would lock up. Maybe it was just coincidence.

Strange that McLaren didn't change Kimi's tyre at his second stop. You could already see from the tyre was flat spotted from the onboard footage.

JDM.Power
30-05-2005, 01:55 PM
all i got to say is!
that was an amazing race! :)

Hondavirgin
30-05-2005, 02:17 PM
whats the rules on changing a tyre for a flat spot? There's gotta be some sort of penalty or something otherwise they would have done it for sure. I know if it's a puncture you can change them but the FIA inspect it and a puncture is a bit more fatal to the tyre than a flat spot....Must be some ruling on it.

I almost thought fisi might have been fuelled to the end coz he had a 10.5 second stop for his first stop, but they must have given him a splash more so he could outlast button and do some leapfrogging, bet they didn't think he could leapfrog like 5 places!

Javed
30-05-2005, 02:36 PM
BAR were being cautious, an unused engine for 5 weeks is unheard of, you would be shit scared to see if all the seals etc in the motor would even hold out. That being said, still farkin slow pace from them. DAMMIT. I only caught the last half of the race due to work, but from what I saw Heidfeld had a great drive. People who are a tad biased (I was in monaco, i was so happy alonso got passed by him) towards Webber tend to say he is the better racer but hasnt had the luck/car. I personally believe Heidfeld is a downright solid driver, and has proven moreso than Webber for my books. So pissed off that Kimi's tyre failed, but hey, the racer in him told him to go for the win, I probably would have done the same :) Also regarding changing the tyre, I am pretty sure if it is considered a danger safety wise (which it was, rubber was flaking away from the damn thing) then a change is feasible. F1 has a main emphasis on safety, so Raikonnen would have been allowed the change.

Jus-10
30-05-2005, 04:41 PM
Ahh the grin on my face as Kimi's wheel came off!

Even Alonso looked pretty chuffed afterwards in the press conference and it seems like you very rarely get to see much emotion in there....

Oh Ferrari!!! What are you doing? Yes I am a Schumacher fan, but the reason I want to see Fez perform is so we can see some awesome racing for the top spots. There is always those 1 or 2 drivers streaks ahead of everyone else and then there is the mid-filed battle. I want to see them fighting for the number 1 spot!

But this season is great that's forsure...now if only we could see Ferrari up the front ,ixing it with them too!

Javed
30-05-2005, 05:29 PM
Sorry bud, not gonna happen. All you Ferrari guys use the excuse of wanting a close championship, if you wanted that every year you wouldn't support Ferrari, cos for the last few years thats all it has been. DIE FERRARI!

jackosimm
30-05-2005, 07:10 PM
Sorry bud, not gonna happen. All you Ferrari guys use the excuse of wanting a close championship, if you wanted that every year you wouldn't support Ferrari, cos for the last few years thats all it has been. DIE FERRARI!

easy easy lol:D
Great race, I must admit I went to bed just after ralf came unstuck(Cause i was about to leave at lap 30, check results on the site, and stayed to see ralf crash)
Kimi's looked pretty bad, and I remember him flat spotting it a couple of times:thumbsup:

Mr Vti
30-05-2005, 08:07 PM
what an excellent race,real excitment. another shit performance from Bar and also webber.

Not really sure how u can say webber is doing better, i mean this is like what the 5th time this year Webber has gone off is it not? while Nh keeps his cool and finishes races. NH proved that in yesterdays race. he was only person who actually led the race and didn't make any kind of mistake. And i don't know how webber was on better stratergie as i feel he would of lost alot of time if he was doing a 2 stopper. Nh doing 3 stopper was still slower then renault and mcalren.

LUD02C
30-05-2005, 08:37 PM
Well we all had a SHOCKER in the tips!
Everyone got 1 or 0.

Race was good, I wasn't happy with Webber creating that inncodent on corner 1 cause it caused Schumacher to go to 17th.

David Coulthard and Red Bull deserved 1st place after that effect.
How about we do a "driver of the day"
Mine goes to David (Fisichella nearly got it)

Ferrari, no idea whats going on, but I'm not loosing faith, still 12 rounds to go and the Renaults don't seem to be that strong.

If I was Kimi or McLaren I would of done the samething, 1st place is all real champions want!

Alonso didn't deserve first place, he just got lucky!

But, I'm sure non of you was going to say this.
When Montoya was behind Michael (god) Schumacher his McLaren couldn't really keep up, and was struggling against it.
If only Ferrari could get higher in qualifying.

I agree with the worst telecast yet.

jackosimm
30-05-2005, 10:21 PM
well summaried there jase:thumbsup: we got like, two 1 week gapped rounds coming up, if that made sense at all? I dont no about Renault loosing it, but everyone else catching, ferrari just slowly lol:D we'll get there

Jus-10
30-05-2005, 11:14 PM
Sorry bud, not gonna happen. All you Ferrari guys use the excuse of wanting a close championship, if you wanted that every year you wouldn't support Ferrari, cos for the last few years thats all it has been. DIE FERRARI!

:(

It's not an excuse....I had stopped watching the past couple of years because it got boring. This year is now exciting and all I want to see is how good these prodigies (aka Kimi) perform against the benchmark (Schumey) in full-on combat.

If Ferrari isn't winning, atleast Renault is! (and atleast McLaren isn't).

But even if you hate Schumey and the Fezz, you must still want to see all the top guys run toe to toe....that is where you will see everyone's true skill and that is what I want to see...a good hard fought race for victory

Vivski
31-05-2005, 02:26 PM
My drive of the day goes to Fisichella. DC was close, but he stuffed it up for himself by speeding in pit lane. Had he not done that, he may well've won.

Jase, you'll notice Montoya couldn't keep up with Michael at the end, 'cos he had a flat spot. He picked up the flat spot very early in the race and whenever he picked up the pace he closed on Michael, but couldn't go deep enough into 1 to make a clean pass. So in the end, I think he backed off so as not to risk doing a Kimi.

But hey, at least Webber's incident made it interesting. :p

Hondavirgin
31-05-2005, 02:52 PM
Driver of the day = Fisichella (haha, bout time he got some respect on these forums ;) :D ).

I agree David was one of the best, but thats an unforgiveable mistake for someone of his experience (10 years of adequacy). I also think Heidfeld was a contender, 3 stopping with a ridiculously short first stint....

Vivski
31-05-2005, 03:13 PM
I considered Heidfeld. I was urging him to lift and challenge Alonso at the last pitstop, but he couldn't quite get there. A very solid 2nd though, well deserved.

nEUROtic
31-05-2005, 04:19 PM
I'm just so depressed after that race :( Poor kimi

LUD02C
31-05-2005, 05:16 PM
Fisichella did have a great race and doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

I still don't think Alonso and Kimi have proved themselves to be the next mutli-world drivers championship.

Ok, this needs to be brought up.
Who thinks Sam Michael is doing a good job?
I don't think he is performing well at all.
He still believes that the Williams is the same as the Renault and McLaren in performance :confused: and blames Webber and Heidfeld for poor results (which he kind of can with Webber lol)

Also, Button to BMW this year, he can get out of his contract early, who will give way Mark and Nick?
Nick is performing better but he is only there cause BMW put there foot down and now there looking at buying Sauber and having BMW racing (not for a while)

Well discuss!
Oh and I spelt Heidfeld right too ;)

jackosimm
31-05-2005, 05:52 PM
I hope its nick that go's, Id rather none to be honest. But I still think webber's got something to prove

Jus-10
31-05-2005, 08:53 PM
I think Webber will stay at Williams....what happens with Heidfield is anyone's guess, but he is doing well, and I guess a lot will depend on what the outcome with BMW is. I think it has been inevitable from day dot that BMW would eventually have their own team...they are not ones to do something by halves. Actually I am looking forward to seeing how the car will look in the ///M colours...

From what I have seen, Sir Frank is pretty happy with Webber as a whole. OK he hasn't quite performed to the standard that many were expecting, but I think it will come. There just seem to be a few niggling problems --here and there and one day I think everything will just come together and click. That said, he has been on the podium, he has scored a few points, and he is doing well at qualifying, so I think it is a bit early to write him off.

I see their partnership as a relatively long-standing one (in F1 terms anyway) and think they will work together for a number of years. I still believe he will win GPs, but he won't be a force...he just isn't showing the (super) natural talent. He will be a middle run sorta driver along the lines of Coulthard i.e always up there, but won't ever be a dominant force. OK he has a somewhat inferior car at the moment, but that is where we should be seeing the natural talent.

Anyone remember what Schumey (god) used to do in an otherwise completely inferior Benetton? That's right, he won world championships!

Yes I go on about Schumey, but like it or not, he is the benchmark at the moment and he has produced some unbelieveable results....that is the type of talent people like Webber are up against.

Anyway enopugh rambling...that's my prediction!

*edit* one other thing...what are Williams going to do if BMW do the bundy? I haven't heard.

Mr Vti
31-05-2005, 09:07 PM
hmm there are rumours that toyota will jump onto williams and badge the engine as a lexus. also if Bmw go to sauber i am 99% Heidfeld will go there aswell.

jackosimm
01-06-2005, 08:42 AM
Yeah, thinking about it, Frank had his eyes on Webber for a while, along wit Jenson, so when you think about it, Nick is sorta their by default

Hondavirgin
01-06-2005, 09:01 AM
Yeah, when they make room for Button it will be Nick that gets the boot, which is a bit unfair based on the performances to date but who knows by the end of the season....

I expect BMW will continue to supply Williams with engines even if they do buy a team (Ferrair supplies Sauber atm, Toyota supplies Jordan) so i don't see a reason to stop it. I would like to see Peugeot or Citroen come in to it now that they have scrapped their WRC programmes.

I agree with Mr Vti though, if BMW supply Sauber, or buy them, Nick is safe with a drive for them (he can replace bloody villeneuve!).

civ_sik
01-06-2005, 11:49 AM
true, remembe rhe used to drive for them but then they slpit so who knows how that ended tho, wonder wehat will ahpen with massa as ferrari pretty much placed him in sauber and if they dont have ferrari engine will he go back to ferrari tester?

LUD02C
01-06-2005, 04:15 PM
I would like to see Peugeot or Citroen come in to it now that they have scrapped their WRC programmes.

They love there rallying and can't blame them, they have been making great rally cars and engines for years.

I would personally love to see Porsche or VW have a team.

Hondavirgin
01-06-2005, 04:23 PM
Well then why the hell did they pull out? or both pull out anyways....damn. Peugeot made an ok F1 engine a few years back now i thought.

Any of those german manufacturers would be good to see.

LUD02C
01-06-2005, 04:27 PM
Citroen own Peugeot or vise versa and it was costing way too much money to keep them in the competition.

I think they blamed not enough car sales, but when I go to Europe all I see is Citroens and Pugs!

It has left a huge dent on WRC, with teams and drivers!

civ_sik
01-06-2005, 04:47 PM
speaking of wrc (in the f1 thread) how ****ed up did duval get, leaves ford for citroen, they then decide to pull out, so at the end of the year he wont have a drive wheras he would of... had he stayed at ford... but not only that now he has been dropped from their lineup for a undetermined ammount of time... :S

LUD02C
01-06-2005, 04:59 PM
I think Chris is going to make way for Loeb.

civ_sik
01-06-2005, 05:09 PM
stepane sarazin can!! anyone herd if suzuki is going in next year?

Hondavirgin
01-06-2005, 05:16 PM
speaking of wrc (in the f1 thread) how ****ed up did duval get, leaves ford for citroen, they then decide to pull out, so at the end of the year he wont have a drive wheras he would of... had he stayed at ford... but not only that now he has been dropped from their lineup for a undetermined ammount of time... :S

Citroen and Peugeot announced their pull out way before Duval and Martin signed up with them. Duval deserved to be dropped, too many mistakes.

I got no idea where drivers are going to go, too many good drivers and 4 less seats....

anyways, OT.

Mr Vti
01-06-2005, 05:29 PM
what will be interesting though if Heidfeld does outperform webber and say if Bmw dont go with sauber what will happen. I am sure there will be alot of arguing going on with Bmw because i am sure they want a german driver driving for them. should be interesting to see at the end of the season

civ_sik
01-06-2005, 05:31 PM
Citroen and Peugeot announced their pull out way before Duval and Martin signed up with them. Duval deserved to be dropped, too many mistakes.

I got no idea where drivers are going to go, too many good drivers and 4 less seats....

anyways, OT.

martin didnt cause he had signed then they announced it, then he tried to void the contact, but he was unsuccessful...

jackosimm
01-06-2005, 07:51 PM
what will be interesting though if Heidfeld does outperform webber and say if Bmw dont go with sauber what will happen. I am sure there will be alot of arguing going on with Bmw because i am sure they want a german driver driving for them. should be interesting to see at the end of the season

Guess that's what it will be, just wait n see

Jus-10
01-06-2005, 09:03 PM
I too have been toying with the idea if Porsche joining the ranks. Not that I have really looked in to recently, but I'm guessing they are still involved in things like the Le Mans 24hr?

With the idea of VW joining the party you would think there could be some possibility there given their "involvement" in some of the worlds most awesome machinery, namely Bentley (they have the Speed 8) and Lambo!

I guess the potential is there, but it would make for one very crowded circuit and F1 takes a massive financial commitment...

Anyone else have any of the big manufacturers they would like to see on the grid?

jackosimm
01-06-2005, 09:09 PM
I remember motor magazine, in the front section, a tiny tiny article about Lamborghini thinking about it

Mr Vti
01-06-2005, 09:37 PM
hmm maybe Minardi can run the Lambo engine like they did in 92 or when ever it was. Also not too sure if VW will come in now. there was talk about them joining sauber.

civ_sik
01-06-2005, 09:42 PM
would be good if a few more manufarctors **spelling** came in then maybe some new teams to make the sport abit stronger alotho its getting better atm

jackosimm
01-06-2005, 10:52 PM
nice spelling keiran! You even go to uni :p lol! Yeah, I personally would like to see more car brand teams, like toyota, renault and ferrari, rather than simply engine suppliers

TYPE-ONE
05-06-2005, 03:44 AM
i think nismo should enter F1. Then we'll c if they can outrun a honda.

kenshin
05-06-2005, 04:02 AM
lol @ nissan comment...

right now honda have their hands full with toyota...

LUD02C
05-06-2005, 05:15 PM
i think nismo should enter F1. Then we'll c if they can outrun a honda.

Nissan are in it.
Renault own Nissan!

jackosimm
05-06-2005, 05:25 PM
Nissan are in it.
Renault own Nissan!

you beat me to it jase lol. :D

nEUROtic
05-06-2005, 05:56 PM
More teams in general! 30 car races would be fat!

LUD02C
05-06-2005, 06:00 PM
I forgot about Audi.
They make great race engines, first company to discover the potential in AWD with the Audi S1 Quattro.

Put Audi, VW, and Porsche.
Also put General motors in there for a laugh. No push rod? I'm confused LOL

nEUROtic
05-06-2005, 06:03 PM
VW? Cept for bugatti why the **** would u want to see them there. Put in someone like aston martin or something instead.

LUD02C
05-06-2005, 06:07 PM
VW make some great race cars, and there new GOLF GTI is a monster.

^^v
05-06-2005, 06:37 PM
Nissan are in it.
Renault own Nissan!

oh wot.. i never knew that!
i thought Nissan was fully 100% Japanese owned...interesting stuff...

Hondavirgin
06-06-2005, 09:06 AM
volkswagen own audi, and Aston Martin will never be in it until Ford decides to come back in.....but i doubt they'd use that name.

Plus, does anyone remember the old 35 car races where you had to pre-qualify for the 28 odd spots on the grid, and then mid season qualifying too for the bottom teams?

Vivski
06-06-2005, 03:49 PM
Nissan should go in it anyway! Modified Skyline.
Everyone owns everyone in the car world, so they should just all enter anyway. No one will buy a Nissan because Alonso won a race.

Hondavirgin
06-06-2005, 03:59 PM
teh GTR can nevah lose! :D

LUD02C
06-06-2005, 04:18 PM
teh GTR can nevah lose! :D

I love when dopes say that.
I just make a list.

911 Turbo
F430

Oh the list could go on. lol

I never knew VW own Audi.
If anything, I thought Volvo would of, they own nearly everything else, our hold enough shares in most car manufactures!

nEUROtic
06-06-2005, 04:28 PM
GTR vs a minardi :P

Jus-10
06-06-2005, 04:29 PM
That's why in my thread I said it would be good to see VW in it Jase...

By that I didn't necessarily mean the VW brand specifically, but they are a massive company that own Audi, Lamborghini and Bentley (amongst others).

They have a massive amount of resources behind them, and for me, they would need to be considered given they have ownership of some of the most awesome machinery...

Hondavirgin
06-06-2005, 04:29 PM
I love when dopes say that.
I just make a list.

911 Turbo
F430

Oh the list could go on. lol

I never knew VW own Audi.
If anything, I thought Volvo would of, they own nearly everything else, our hold enough shares in most car manufactures!

no way bro, der wheelz is only like 17s and not chrome yo, dey aint got no chance against my ful sik airbrushed GTR wif ma new 10" exhaust my cuz hooked me up with, fo shizzle..

bring on the Williams Volvo i say!

LUD02C
06-06-2005, 04:30 PM
GTR vs a minardi :P

The Minardi's are actually fast this year, Jacques in the Sauber was struggling to keep up the pace with it, and he said his car was ok.
The Jordans on the other hand, well yeh!

Hondavirgin
06-06-2005, 05:02 PM
The Minardi's are actually fast this year, Jacques in the Sauber was struggling to keep up the pace with it, and he said his car was ok.
The Jordans on the other hand, well yeh!

I think thats more to do with Jacques than the Sauber.

Jordans picked up a bit compared to the Minardi's in europe though...