Type-S VTEC problem

[Snoopy S]

Hi everyone,

I just got my new Integra Type-S yesterday from Honda dealer. Tonight I rev passed 6000rpm wanting to feel the VTEC, I rev all the way to 6800rpm but I still can't feel the VTEC kick in.

Can someone tell me why ??

Michael

[DC2108]

hektic type S
well mayb ur car is so new that u just dont hear or feel it coz its soo smove
try reving hight but dont frash it coz the engine still fresh

[Snoopy S]

I was wondering is it because the car dealer had disable the VTEC for safety reason, until I go back for the first 1000km service?

[kenshin]

iVTEC = vtec boost isnt as sharp as what it used to be...

maybe you cant feel it but listen to the engine does it rev noticably higher?

[Phantasm]

Im sure someone will say "maybe your vtec fell off?" thought id get in first.

And you shouldnt really be vtecing if your under 1000ks if you want to run your engine in properly.

Also if your engine is cold the vtec may not work correctly and be unnoticable during engagement.

[Snoopy S]

I already drove the car for almost an hour before i decided to try the VTEC. No, I cannot feel and also cannot hear the engine rev noticably higher.

[**Ghost**]

put a pod filter on for a day... if u still dont hear it...take it back

if ur still worried get it dynoed

[gelo]

you shouldnt rev the car so high if you just got it brand new
you should slowly break the engine in and the car should gradually gain more power as you the engine breaks in
IMO drive it as much as you can keeping revs in the mid rpm range
but gradually give the engine more load as you go
mite take a few days at least i reckon

i agree with kenshin, with i-vtec, theres less difference between on and off cam comapred to the older vtec engines like B18C
so theres less of a transsision when u get to VTEC
also it should just makes alot of noise

if you want some slam-you-back-into-seat action
should drive a turbo

[LSD Motorsports]

if for some reason you have any kind of engine code, it will not engage. Im thinking it really is engaging but your not noticing it. Especially if you only took it to 6800. Take your air filter half way off and youll know the answer for sure.

[kenshin]

ivtec was designed to be smooth throughout the rev range...

go sit in a mivec or vvti car... they're like the ivtec system...

[DOHCVTEC]

i think ur car probably has got VTEC engaging... iVTEC has very smooth power delivery agrees with gelo and kenshin (can look at the power/torque curve of iVTEC compared other DOHCVTEC cars) and also... if ur car doesnt have VTEC engaging... u'll probably notice ur car loosing power after 6000rpm or so... and it'll never get upto 8200rpm comfortably ... so if u dun feel sudden VTEC engagement i wouldnt realli worry... i'd start worrying if it feels like its loosing power after 6000rpm or so... thats my view...

[franki]

you shouldnt rev the car so high if you just got it brand new
you should slowly break the engine in and the car should gradually gain more power as you the engine breaks in
IMO drive it as much as you can keeping revs in the mid rpm range
but gradually give the engine more load as you go
mite take a few days at least i reckon

i agree with kenshin, with i-vtec, theres less difference between on and off cam comapred to the older vtec engines like B18C
so theres less of a transsision when u get to VTEC
also it should just makes alot of noise

if you want some slam-you-back-into-seat action
should drive a turbo

dont baby it too much, these days the engines are engineered that well that you dont have to take it 100% easy when running them in, you should get the motor use to being up in the high rev range. mabe take it up to the start of vtec a couple of times. every now and again. try hiting vtec in 2nd or 3rd gear, u should notice it. but u need to no what it sounds like and feels like in another honda b4 you may notice it. :honda:

[bennjamin]

can someone who works for HONDA or is a class mechanic TELL us all for sure - before this guy breaks his brand new Type S ??

Everyone else is very much "IMO" - we need a reputeable prespective , especially in this case :)

[57UDD]

When my cousin went to buy the new Type S, i asked the guy why i cant hear the VTEC kick in and stuff like that. From what he told me, he said with the new model tegz u cant really hear it but u can feel it, we're talking stock here. And even though tegz are performance new model tegz are more luxury than sport. He's had his Type S for a while now and its still the same, and my other cousin just bought a new teg lux. Same thing with him, cant hear VTEC but the car still goes hard.

[IRI]

can someone who works for HONDA or is a class mechanic TELL us all for sure - before this guy breaks his brand new Type S ??

Everyone else is very much "IMO" - we need a reputeable prespective , especially in this case :)

:thumbsup:

Should just take to Honda themselves in the first place:rolleyes:

[JINRAI]

hmm...definitely chuck in a SRI and see if you can "hear" the diff...but do it after 5000Ks

[HRV-80Y]

y would u wana hear vtec anyway ? its a classy car :p :p :p

apprently i've been told cant remembe by who your not evn meant to feel your vtec kick in... :confused: :confused: :confused:

[itr_112]

the i-vtec system isnt like the vtec system. the vtec system use to kick in at at say a certain point and u could feel it kick. the new system is made to be smoother so it kicks in at a lower rpm making it seem 'unfeelable'. from a review i read it was said it kicks in really low like 3500rpm or something like that compared to the dc2 which was at 5900.

[vti-r teg]

dont baby it too much, these days the engines are engineered that well that you dont have to take it 100% easy when running them in, you should get the motor use to being up in the high rev range. mabe take it up to the start of vtec a couple of times. every now and again. try hiting vtec in 2nd or 3rd gear, u should notice it. but u need to no what it sounds like and feels like in another honda b4 you may notice it. :honda:

All new engines need to be run in!

[JINRAI]

i have to disagree, i can hear my ivtec vtek fine lol

[deltaboy]

They are right. You should not over rev your car since its brand new. for the first 1000km you should not go over 80km till the engine wears in. Let it warm up properly as well when idelling or start up.

The people of honda should of told you this because they certainly told my Cousin when he bought one.

Your thrashing the poor thing.

[Snoopy S]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all these replies guys. I took my car back to Honda today and the guy went for a test drive. He floor it all the way to 8000rpm on 1st and 2nd. I can feel a tiny slight change-over above 6000rpm, but my friend who sit at the back can feel the kick in better (don't know why).
He did explained that iVTEC is meant to be smooth so the whole rpm band receive more torque and power. He also said I don't really have to run in the car which surprised me.

[s2king]

The new TypeS also has different exhaust, which is suposed to be more enviro friendly or whatever.

[stephen8512]

yeah thats what i've been told as well
when i purchased my euro, i was going to baby it until i got to about 1000kms/service. but the honda mechanic i spoke to at larke hoskins in rosebery told me that its actually healthy to redline it about 3 times a week daily driving. he was tellin me about how they did a "test" with 2 identical DC5Rs, both brand new, both same specs, factory OEM everything. one was redlined 3-4 times every week, the other had no redline, shifted at 2500rpm and not VTEC'ed until 5000kms. they were both put on the dyno after 10,000km service and the one that was redlined at the start of the break in period actually had a few more kw at the wheels than the babied one.

hahaha plz dont flame me if this information seems incorrect as this is what i was told from the honda mechanic.

[TeMp]

i have to disagree, i can hear my ivtec vtek fine lol

Roger that! :wave: But ours is the Type R?

But then again the Type S is meant to have a bigger, more free flowing zorst. Meaning it should be louder?

Even when my car was stock, you can easily hear the ivtec kicking in. It roars man!

[DOHCVTEC]

about running in the car... i also have been to a honda mechanic before and asked about running in an engine... the way to run it in is not to baby it too much... its to occasionally give it load... 1st gear whole rev range 2nd and then 3rd or so (of course fully warmed up engine)... then take it back for an oil change after 1000km. and then after that... also u'll feel u car gradually picking up more power the more u drive it (the more u rev it).

[Snoopy S]

After the Honda guy told me I didn't have to run in the car. I went to Woolongong with my friend, going via national park for some cornering. The suspension is very stiff (maybe need to be sattle down), also a bit over-steer as well. But the car is very responsive on exit of the corner and it picked up so quick just above 3000rpm. On the way back to Sydney we took the Hwy and I did *Wynode edit*. I can't feel the car is going this fast, someone told me Honda uses special windscreen so the driver will not think they are driving as fast. (don't know if thats true or not).

Wynode edit: Don't post rediculous speeds like that on a public forum. Keep it to PM.

[keric_02]

shouldnt be vtec'n it that early as its still new.... the vtec isnt that noticable... its not like a turbo u wont feel it that much, the vtec is probably still working tho

[vinhy]

After the Honda guy told me I didn't have to run in the car. I went to Woolongong with my friend, going via national park for some cornering. The suspension is very stiff (maybe need to be sattle down), also a bit over-steer as well. But the car is very responsive on exit of the corner and it picked up so quick just above 3000rpm. On the way back to Sydney we took the Hwy and I did xxKm/h. I can't feel the car is going this fast, someone told me Honda uses special windscreen so the driver will not think they are driving as fast. (don't know if thats true or not).

damn, ur drivin it pretty hard for a new car

Wynode edit: Edited out stupid speed that was posted.

[Slugoid]

i-VTEC sucks. Nothing beats the sound of the classic VTEC. DC2R at 7K rpm.......prahhhhhhhhhh!!!


*** goes back driving my i-VTEC Euro......prah.. /shift gears ***

[Snoopy S]

i-VTEC sucks. Nothing beats the sound of the classic VTEC. DC2R at 7K rpm.......prahhhhhhhhhh!!!


*** goes back driving my i-VTEC Euro......prah.. /shift gears ***




DC2 is good on the race track where you constantly using the VTEC power band. Where as on city driving, it is not so practical. You don't get much power and torque below the VTEC point. This is the same for s2000.

[franki]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all these replies guys. I took my car back to Honda today and the guy went for a test drive. He floor it all the way to 8000rpm on 1st and 2nd. I can feel a tiny slight change-over above 6000rpm, but my friend who sit at the back can feel the kick in better (don't know why).
He did explained that iVTEC is meant to be smooth so the whole rpm band receive more torque and power. He also said I don't really have to run in the car which surprised me.

told ya so :) these cars are engineered that well that you run them at normal pace for 100km and then get the engine used to getn up in the rev range.

[kenshin]

DC2 is good on the race track where you constantly using the VTEC power band. Where as on city driving, it is not so practical. You don't get much power and torque below the VTEC point. This is the same for s2000.

thats EXACTLY what i love about my car...

i can granny shift at 2500/3000rpm and get good mileage... costs me $30 to run my car for 2 wks or so... (whereas my mate costs him at least $150)

and from time to time i can rev past 6000rpm for the fun of it :)

[aaronng]

For running in an engine, you should give the engine load. Don't keep it below 3000-4000rpm, don't use constant revs. Vary your rev range, and give it 80-100% throttle as well. What you want for power and an engine that won't smoke in the future is to give it load so that the piston rings wear in properly with the liner surface.

As to those saying you should baby your engine to get your cylinders and pistons to match, too bad, because they already dyno the car at the factory to ensure a minimum power output before it leaves the factory.

Of course, don't race it, because when you do, you'll give the gearbox, clutch, CV joints and brakes, which haven't worn in yet, a hard time.

[wynode]

Running in a car is important in terms of longevity more than getting extra horsepower I would say.

[snowman95]

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

theory on breaking in an engine by going hard.

[kenji]

how many k's have u done with the car ... because u need to run the engine in abit dont u like 1000km in some cars or something :S

[h22a accord]

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

theory on breaking in an engine by going hard.


i read this a while ago too, it makes sense. I rebuilt an engine in my mini and everyone told me to baby it.....yeah what ever!!!, that engine used to go soooo hard it was unbelievable.

[aaronng]

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

theory on breaking in an engine by going hard.
It also says that by going harder for break in, you also get a slightly tougher engine, reliability-wise for racing. I wonder how it would be for engines after 200,000kms