results from dyno day...

[tinkerbell]

K Series
02typeR..............DC5R..........112.2....K20A2 Toda Header, Injen CAI, full exhaust
JDC5R.................DC5R..........107.8....K20A2 Mugen ECU, RM01, Apexi Pod
HighDC5..............DC5R..........101.5.....K20A2 2.25 custom zorst, Injen CAI
bartek.................DC5R..........98.8.....K20A 2 BC III, Apexi short ram intake (not full dyno run - cutoff at 7000rpm)

B Series
B18
MPD076...............DC2R...........98.8.....B18CR STOCK
RedGoesFaster.....DC2R...........98.2.....B18CR STOCK
Trenty (gohan).....DC2R..........96.5.....B18CR Toda Header, ART Intake, stock exhaust
Felix (THX90D)......DC2R..........92.8.....B18CR CAI
booget.................DC2 VtiR......92.2.....B18C 4-1 headers, exhaust, CAI
slowvtec...............DC2 VtiR.....91.1.....B18C 4-1 headers, exhaust, CAI, Hondata
sp00n.b0i .............DC2R..........89.6.....B18CR mods???
malinG..................DC2R...........89.5.....B1 8CR Adj. Cam gears (Hannys)
ITRay..................DC2R............85.8.....B1 8CR STOCK
OLM-02R.............EG Civic........81.5.....B18C/B16A Mugen 4-2-1, Trust Air filter, Adj. cam gears
DC2spec94..........DC2 Gsi.........73.5.....B18B exhaust, air filter, SAFC
joneblaze ...........DC2 Gsi.........67.5.....B18B STOCK
B16
bizee_1...............ED Civic.......83.8.....B16A, intake, full exhaust, chipped ecu
AUSVTEC.............ED Civic........79.8.....B16A pod filter, exhaust
vti-11r.................EK Civic........79.2.....B16A2 exhaust, pod filter, Toda Flywheel
Choongas ..........EM1 VTi-R.......76.6.....B16A2 K&N filter
ONVTEC..............DA9..............76.5.....B16A 2 CTR camshafts, cam gears, exhaust, hi flow cat
z10.....................EK Civic.........75.5.....B16A2 STOCK
luzinit..................EK4..............74.5.... .B16A2 air filter
Civic Si.................???..............74.4.....B16A2 pod filter, exhaust
DarkCivicCoupe...EK VtiR............73.6.....B16A2 STOCK
Typerlc................EG4 SiR.........57.....B16A2 JUN chip, (no VTEC)
Other
Mark B.................CRX............178.5.....B16A Turbo, Toda internals, Toda cams and valve train,
azjs....................Prelude.........99.5.....H 22A i/h/e, Hondata
Blade...................Accord.........98.5.....F2 2A Turbo
tinkerbell..............DA9.............96.7.....B 20VTEC (not full dyno run - only taken to 6000rpm, too lean)
Mr Chook.........Prelude VtiR.....93.6.....H22A Jamex air filter
eg5....................EG5................64.7.... .D16A 4-2-1 headers, Spoon air filter, unichip
Richie..................BA4..............63.8..... B20A
bennjamin..........EG Civic.........55.5.....D16A8 STOCK
Rowie.................ED Civic........41.8.....D15B 4-2-1 headers, exhaust, CAI

crool....................Lantra.........74.4.....B eta 2.0

(pls advise if all readings are correct - if you have ??? then please advise correct details)

if i have missed anyone - pls advise also!!!

[Chi]

You didnt add mine, i did 167 kws :D

Actually what did the mr2 get, just wondering?

Also who was the angry Vti-r?

[Rowie]

good work, thanks for the writeup :)

[dc2r]

Hey Tinkerbell... it's ITRay here... my car is STOCK.
And the mr2 gt had 150kw.

[Spunkymonkey]

interesting the difference between the stock ITR's.

[dc2r]

yes very interesting... i think i was running rich... i need some expert advice on my graph because it looks weird when i compared it to the stockers... the AFR on mine was running way lower than the other stockers...

[Rowie]

whens the last time you checked your air filter?

[Spunkymonkey]

yes very interesting... i think i was running rich... i need some expert advice on my graph because it looks weird when i compared it to the stockers... the AFR on mine was running way lower than the other stockers...

yes very.....maybe you guys should also post what fuel you were using as well.

[dc2r]

i just got a major service at Hanny's last week and they cleaned out my air filter... was thinking of getting a Trust drop-in... but i held off on it...
i'm using synergy 8000...

[McChook]

I was using Optimax from Shell Kirawee on Princes Hwy

[Teggy-Vtir]

u missed mine

[RichieTougeBattle]

i got 63.8 :)

[A'PEXi]

nice results! :D

[XXpl0Sive]

Great work!

Now, where's that guy who was hell bent that ITR's do 140kw at the wheels?

[civicboy]

damn dats goood! 140!?
wat type dc2? or dc5?

[Rowie]

Great work!

Now, where's that guy who was hell bent that ITR's do 140kw at the wheels?

140 ATW ?? Thats what they are at the flywheel supposidly.

[mo]

141kw = DC2Rs i think and 147kw for the 5R ?? i dunno just pulled it from my arse, cbf to look

[McChook]

141kw = DC2Rs i think and 147kw for the 5R ?? i dunno just pulled it from my arse, cbf to look

about right mate. wanna have a stab at what a JDM DC5R has at the fly??

[Rowie]

lol, i was out by a couple of KW... damn :D

my guess off the top of my head for the JDM 5R's ........... ummmm, about 160KW at the fly??? :?

:)

[Teggy-Vtir]

i got 80.8
lower den wat i exspected

[McChook]

Rowie - about 162kw... good guess.... only 14kw off the F20 S2000, which is bloody good, considering the differences between the engines.

On the dyno, the JDM ITR made 115kw (might have been closer to 117, but eh), with zero modifications. It was actually a JDM N1 Spec Type R. Came with no air con, no stereo, zero sound deadening... Brembos.. Bloody great car, and was run at the 2 Hour race at Bathurst before the 24 Hour race... did well. You should see it on the corner weight scales OMG, it is almost perfectly balanced as well... awesome car.

The owner of the ITR is actually the previous owner of the eg4 SiR race car at the dyno day.

[bizee_1]

hey thanks for compiling the results tinkerbell :)

btw, who was the other guy with the gold/champagne coloured EF sedan w/ b16a ? what numbers did he pull ? or is he already on the list ?

[tinkerbell]

i think he was AUSVTEC...???

i think you won the B16A trophy bizee!

Teggy-Vtir - what car and mods do you have?

[McChook]

It was AUSVTEC... tinky was right

[bizee_1]

ic ic. thanks. i just got lost as it said EK civic next to his name.
me thinks we need to compare notes !

umm no trophy for me sorry. mark b could be in for it, otherwise i'm sure there are much more powerful n/a b16a's out there.

besides, once AUSVTEC drops in that 'chip', it'll be interesting :)

[Teggy-Vtir]

b18c
toda adjustable camgears
2.5" catback exhaust
k&n pod filter

[ginganggooly]

hehe, the turbo crx had a little tuning done, ended up with 184kw later in the day ;)

[Teggy-Vtir]

ginganggooly: hows the hondata?? =)

[ginganggooly]

ginganggooly: hows the hondata?? =)

bleh. not happy. dunno what the deal is. got to get some stuff checked out.
don't know if i've got a weak car or something is up with it... it's hard to say because i don't know many that have run at croydon. those i do know of, had dissapointing results on sunday too. like, almost 30kw difference and two cars with 15kw difference.

:x

[Teggy-Vtir]

yeah i was wonderin why u got lower den son's teg, with the hondata in ur car
mayb not tuned properly?? bah who knows eh

mine ran lower den i exspected

[booget]

You didnt add mine, i did 167 kws

Actually what did the mr2 get, just wondering?

Also who was the angry Vti-r?

that was me!!!!!

hehehe
BOOOOOOOGET!!

[AUSVTEC]

Yo bizee_1 you and i need to meet again at the cruise to the gong.

We can work out why the oldest civics there on sunday got the highest results in the B16A section.

Was a good day, some sweet looking rides there and some power to boot.

Any one know where i can get my chiped installed down south?
thanks.

[tinkerbell]

well, i went to the dyno with Dave last night and hooked up the fuel gauge...

showed 45psi, so we bumped it up to 50 and it looked better, bumped it up to 55psi and it looked like something we could work with... (the fuel 'flow' was still droping but we knew that a new WRX pump would take care of it)

then i pulled the VAFC down alot (as we were getting MAP check engine lights 'cause i was enrichening by 20%!) and the curve resembled something like a proper a/f ratio curve...

then we fiddled with the fuel around VTEC crossover and this is what we got...

http://forums.clubrsx.com/gallery/data/500/11985dyno29_01_04sml.jpg

it is interesting to note that this peak power is what i got last time we tuned it (in July last year (before the R intake and throttle body)) but the curve is F A T T E R...

Dave thinks it could be an exhaust restriction holding the top end from hitting 110kw, but the rest of the curve is F A T

see here:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/gallery/data/500/11985dyno29_01_04compsml.jpg

note how the power drops inside the old graph (darker line) at VTEC... i think we could have tuned this out with teh VAFC (but we didnt compare the two graphs untill after we dynoed the car, so we didnt notice it!!!)

[McChook]

Nice big fat power curve there Dave. Looks Good!!! Looks like a well tuned power graph to me, wouldn't expect anything less.

Only thing is it runs out at top end after that fat hi cam curve. It just plataeus... Are you running cam gears to dial in more mid-range? It is not necessarily a bad thing coz that 5300-6100 range builds quite a lot of power... will be awesome at the bathurst speed weekend, should haul ass up the mountain now.

[tinkerbell]

dave reckons the 2.25in cat back is restricting the top end...

he wants me to fix that, install the WRX fuel pump and THEN he will 'play' with the cam gears...!

i didnt really tune the VAFC to its potental - i just wanted to fix it so it wasnt dangerously lean... there is more power to be had from VAFC tuning...

especailly lower midrange and high topend...

[ALLMTR]

Cool, looks like you need some quality 4 into 1 stepped headers hehehe

[Choongas]

Yo bizee_1 you and i need to meet again at the cruise to the gong.

We can work out why the oldest civics there on sunday got the highest results in the B16A section.

Was a good day, some sweet looking rides there and some power to boot.

Any one know where i can get my chiped installed down south?
thanks.

JDM b16a has high comp and stuff = more power??

[Setanta]

No - it's because a lot of the transplant engines into EDs etc often leave off the air-con, PS etc. Also they will run custom exhausts compared to the stock VTiR Civics as the exhausts wouldn't have come with the donor cut.

FYI: 1st gen JDM B16A = 160ps, 2nd gen JDM = 170ps, 3rd gen JDM = 170ps but the Aussie spec only got 160bhp. The parity will be in all the ancilleries the VTiRs are running plus the exhaust.

[Choongas]

yea i thought bizee might have the new generation jdm b16a...

by the way do you get the LSD with the JDMs or were they optional?

[olda]

ginganggooly: hows the hondata?? =)

Yes, Hondata alone should be worth 10kw. So what's cookin'?
I had my DC2 VTiR dynoed with dys cai + K&N, supersprint headers, Remus muffler, ign. advanced a little, (Mobil 1) and octane booster = 93kw
Stock VTiR = 85kw
So, one would expect to see atleast 100kw atw with Hondata.:roll:
Can anyone shed some light on this :?:

DC5R's not that great result either, considering the mods. :roll:
Pitty, no stock DC5R data. :evil:

[azjs]

It's tough to quantify the exact gains from a Hondata unit alone - however ginganggooly has made some recent discoveries that might explain such losses... I'll et him do it though ;)

-az

[BLKCRX]

The simple problem is your all thinking dyno’s are a accurate measure engine out put, well guess what, there not !! There a tuning tool that allows you to tune a car, there based on mathematical calculations, calibration factors, environments, and many other factors.
Comparing a dyno from one place to another even in shootout mode will typically always be different results, the list of variables can go on and on, hell even variables such as the amount of people standing around the dyno fan, the recirculating of exhaust air can make massive differences, if there’s not enough fresh oxygen how can a NA car make power ? it can’t ! What about ECU factors knock control humidity altitude and many other factors….


If you think dyno figures are the end all of everything well your stupid and one minded! A dyno is a tool not a accurate measuring unit, having said that, its almost impossible to compare any results when you think of all the possible factors. The only real way to feel power difference is on the track or the street, but even then its driver dependent.

b/w did you know every time you dyno run your car, or even drive your car it makes less and less power !
Every time your piston goes up and down the bores in the cylinders the rings wear a little more, losing compression and losing power, it might be very small but as a engine ages it power decreases, there’s so many factors to consider no one has all the answers.

Regards James

[Rowie]

well said james..... :thumbsup: :)

[Rowie]

In other words.... if you want to dyno tune your car, and want consistant readings. Then go to the SAME dyno :D

[BLKCRX]

Same dyno.. but also same condition's

Some factors to consider even on the same dyno on the same day ! which have nuffing to do with dyno settings !!

Bonet open or closed
Age of spark plugs
Engine compression
humidity
Fuel temp
Fuel pressure
Fuel Octane ( octane of fuel decreases as it gets hot / cold fuel return from the engine )
Engine knock retard
Amount of exhaust gas's in the air
Water temp
Oil temp
Engine temp
Intake temp
Tire pressure
Tire temp
How tight the car is or is not tied down to the dyno
Heat of the dyno rollers
Amount of people watching / standing around stoping air flow
and the list goes on..and on !!

Then you have all the calibration factors and settings within the dyno !
Only when you know how to use a dyno / understate how it works will you understand dyno figures mean bugger all !

Regards James

[Chi]

lol, we did have alot of BBQ smoke ....

[luzinit]

We can work out why the oldest civics there on sunday got the highest results in the B16A section.



hehe the older civics got higher results in the b16a section becoz all the newer b16as were STOCK :)
well nearly all.

[olda]

Same dyno.. but also same condition's

Some factors to consider even on the same dyno on the same day ! which have nuffing to do with dyno settings !!

Bonet open or closed
Age of spark plugs
Engine compression
humidity
Fuel temp
Fuel pressure
Fuel Octane ( octane of fuel decreases as it gets hot / cold fuel return from the engine )
Engine knock retard
Amount of exhaust gas's in the air
Water temp
Oil temp
Engine temp
Intake temp
Tire pressure
Tire temp
How tight the car is or is not tied down to the dyno
Heat of the dyno rollers
Amount of people watching / standing around stoping air flow
and the list goes on..and on !!

Then you have all the calibration factors and settings within the dyno !
Only when you know how to use a dyno / understate how it works will you understand dyno figures mean bugger all !

Regards James

Everything u say is true!
However, we're still looking at the data obtained from the same dyno on the same day.
So, even if we make allowances for all the variables u listed, the car equipped with sophisticated ECU should deliver significantly more power that similarly modified car without it. Don't u agree? Maybe the mods didn't go far enough for Hondata to "kick in"?

Another observation - the case for keeping DC2R stock is getting stronger.

Pitty - no stock DC5R on the day. Judging by DC2R results, it could make a very interesting reading.

Thanks to Tinkerbell for submiting these results! When's the next dyno day? Anything planned in Mel?

[BLKCRX]

No all of those factors do play a role, regardless if its the same dyno on the same day !! You change any of the factors and the ecu on any car will change its output due to auto correction for variable factors.

The ECU also has a knock sensor and when conditions are not perfect it will pull timing out of the car like crazy ! I suggest this is what happened with almost every car both stock and modified. ECU"s are not stupid ! even the stock Honda ECU is smart and will do anything to protect the engine ! even if that means lowering power output by 50 % !

Take the car's for a road test or on the track and its a totally different story.

Again dyno numbers mean absolute nuffin ! yet some novices believe its the be all and end all !!

Regards James

[bizee_1]

No - it's because a lot of the transplant engines into EDs etc often leave off the air-con, PS etc. Also they will run custom exhausts compared to the stock VTiR Civics as the exhausts wouldn't have come with the donor cut.

I don't know about AUSVTEC, but for references sake, i am running a/c, p/s & non-LSD. But the old schoolers were beyond stock. Mine maybe more than i think, i think i know. :?
i think AUSVTEC might just be stirring up a little friendly rivalry with the youngans...& showing old school :honda: pride ! :P

Nice results Tinkerbell ! Was wondering, would they be comparable to the DC5R's ? (with all the talk of differring variables relating to dyno's etc)

Choongas : LSD was optional on 4th gen JDM Civics.

BLKCRX : have you had any Stage 2/3 Hondata's ?

[McChook]

i think all the transplanted B16a's have been JDM spec, therefor make more horses.... IMO

[BLKCRX]

We use stage 2 / 3 systems for all pw0 and pr1 obd0 ecu's work's just like the s200 system without some of the features... such as 11,000 rpm ...
but iv got a few b16b and b18c7 crx's gen2's running around with pw0 ecu's with a stage 2 system, again very impressive.
Any Hondata dealer in any state can do stage 2/3 systems also for older Honda's

Regards James

[tinkerbell]

[quote=Setanta]
Nice results Tinkerbell ! Was wondering, would they be comparable to the DC5R's ? (with all the talk of differring variables relating to dyno's etc)


my car owns DC5's in a straight line...

[dc2r]

Is that modded DC5R's? Like 02typeR's 112kw beast?

[tinkerbell]

i will take on any modded DC5 in a straight line...

it is all about area under the curve, not just peak power number...

see how my graph has a big bulge, it is much more prominent than the DC5 bulge...

and it starts much earlier...

BTW - 112kw is nothing for a DC5 - they should be hitting 130+ with IHE, some cams and proper tuning...

[tinkerbell]

James - how is running the B16B's and B18C7's off a PW0 ecu? which distributor are you using?

it really sounds very strange running OBDII engines with pre-OBD ecu's

you obviously put pre-OBD sockets/sensors on the engine, but do you just ignore the crank angle sensor and such?

ALSO (and more importantly) - what makes you suggest that almost all the 'low' power figures on the dyno day were due to knock retarded timing?

[poid]

i'd love to know about the knocking thing as well, i was under the impression only vtec integra's and some CRX ECU's even had a knock board. Not sure whether the Type-R ecu's are equipped with it but i'm guessing they are.

I think other factors are the cause of it, rather than retarding due to timing. Considering that the figures seem 'low' across the board.

[booget]

comes down to power to weight ratio in a straight line thou doesnt it?

the LS is lighter then DC5R?

[TODA AU]

i will take on any modded DC5 in a straight line...

it is all about area under the curve, not just peak power number...

see how my graph has a big bulge, it is much more prominent than the DC5 bulge...

and it starts much earlier...

BTW - 112kw is nothing for a DC5 - they should be hitting 130+ with IHE, some cams and proper tuning...

Ha ha ha...
Yeah?

Wanna race for money? :D

[tofu R]

MAD
where when ?
hehe

[McChook]

DO IT!!

My money's on Dave...

[dc2r]

Hmmm... I think Adrian from Toda AU knows what he's talking about too so don't put your money down so easily...
B20 versus K20 engine... Hard to choose...
Oh and I don't think 02typeR has cams, so hence why he isn't putting out the 130kw? Only I/H/E right? I dunno... it'll still be interesting to see the drag.

[tinkerbell]

well, from what i heard it might be a while before the car Adrian is building can take me...

but i may be wrong...

see you at the strip TODA!!!

[dc2r]

Dave... do you chop SS commonwhores?
Why don't you just tell us what your ET is in your 108kw monster?

[tinkerbell]

ET = 14.2

[tinkerbell]

i should qualify that that ET was not done with the 109kW monster...

it was done with a lesser version of the 109kW monster...

[McChook]

ehehehe, i told ya where my money was...

[dc2r]

Well how fast is a 5.7L SS Commonwhore? 02typeR told me who raced one of those so yeah... Interesting race between B20 and K20 I think...

[Rowie]

2003 VY Commodore SV8 - 14.0
2000 VX Commodore SS - 14.4
2000 VX Clubsport R8 - 14.1

2003 BA XR6T - 14.3

them times are factory and no mods :)

[tinkerbell]

i dont think a clubsport could do under 14.5 stock...

maybe a 255kW version, and definitly the 300kW GTS...

but no - i reckon i could easily smoke a Clubsport to 100km/h...

and remember my engine is virtually OEM...

honda headers, honda cams, honda intake, honda ECU...

i really dont see why you guys are so obsessed with this 'who/what is better' thing?

i built my car myself, it is like no other in the world and that is what makes it specail - it is nice that it puts out good power and handles well at the track, but it is just my car...

if you wanna see it race, come to Drag Combat... on 14th feb...

[Rowie]

oh and the 2002 VY GTS Coupe does 13.4

[tinkerbell]

falcon XR8?

[Rowie]

BA XR8 is 14.2

[McChook]

I'm sorry, all those V8 1/4 miles are still driver dependant. I haven't yet seen any of the others do any of those times, yet we know what Dave has actually been timed at

[McChook]

hmm, BA XR8 does a 14.2 and a BA XR6T does a 14.3 - 20kw difference (according to factory).. must be all the extra weight???

[tinkerbell]

nah - they jsut dont want people to think that the turbo is better than hte v8 mate!

the 4.0 turbo is soooo de-tuned for this effect it is actually funny!

the xr6t is one of the most exciting engines to come out in the ausdm in many years...

[Rowie]

Yes, its the weight that makes the diff.

XR6T weighs in at 1664kg and the XR8 is 1795kg

[McChook]

Hmmm, well then - I'd love to get my hands an an XR6T, and then get me one of those GCG 600BHP kits... weapon

[Rowie]

the APS Phase III kit is available in march for the XRT..... 385KW @ the wheels :shock:

[Rowie]

not a bad way to spend $10,000 :thumbsup:

[tinkerbell]

i am quite prepared to be owned by a modified XR6T...

[Rowie]

nah - they jsut dont want people to think that the turbo is better than hte v8 mate!

the 4.0 turbo is soooo de-tuned for this effect it is actually funny!

the xr6t is one of the most exciting engines to come out in the ausdm in many years...

Your not wrong there..... only running 6psi using a god damn Garrett T40 :) And dont even get me started on the intercooler and intake :D

[Rowie]

good luck at drag combat anyway tinkerbell!

[McChook]

Dave, getting owned by a modified XR6T wouldn't be so bad - just compare how much his car cost to yours, you'll feel better

and Dave, we want a 13

[OLM-02R]

nice....so who's going to run at drag combat next week aye...

[TODA AU]

well, from what i heard it might be a while before the car Adrian is building can take me...

but i may be wrong...

see you at the strip TODA!!!

Ha ha ha... N.P...
Dave PM me when you're good to go...

Re: drag combat...
We'll be @ drag combat... (ADVAN)
CRX is running... Probably the TODA civic... (have to confirm entry)
Gracer - Purple R33, the yellow R33 & Mark's black R32
No DC5 though... Sorry... Owner is OS

[DynoDave]

Tinkerbell want to try some Spec-C cams before the drag combat. :P

[TODA AU]

Ha ha ha...

[ALLMTR]

Tinkerbell want to try some piston to valve contact before the drag combat. :P

Fixed it for you hehehe

[DynoDave]

OK Chuck you win this time.

[ALLMTR]

They "might" clear with standard (notched) pistons but if I know Tinkerbell, he'd be wanting to clay the motor first

Chuck always wins...... :D

[tinkerbell]

gee, you guys really know your stuff!

i mean, with my woeful 9.5:1 CR, the huge overlap of the C's wont drop my dynamic compression ratio to close to zero will they?

LOL!

and yes - the head would come off, the clay would go in... then i decide to get some forgies!!!!

[DynoDave]

Chuck where is the rest of your old engine I know where the head is I will stick the C's in that and try the piston to BENT valve zone. Then we would know how much we can push it.
Regards A BAD LOSER :D

[Civic Si]

I was da Black EM1 coupe wit chromies!

74.4Kw! :dance:

Optimax fuel!

plus have CAI :nod:

Would iridium plugs which were installed too make much difference?

[DynoDave]

I was da Black EM1 coupe wit chromies!

74.4Kw! :dance:

Optimax fuel!

plus have CAI :nod:

Would iridium plugs which were installed too make much difference?

Civic Si I have used Iridium plugs for the last 2 years and found them to be very good, and found that you could tune the engine to run alot leaner than with normal plugs.
Regards Dyno Dave

[VTEC16]

was just looking on clubcivic.com ...and thought id throw in a thread i found.

http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=14150&page=1&pp=15

...Some people are soo stupid/quick to judge/ignorant.....ohh well....

[Rowie]

Thats interesting. Most of them members are yanks right??

How are the yank dyno's compared to DynoDynamics? Sounds to me like they are dreaming with the figures they are claiming!

[tinkerbell]

yeah, ignorance is a disease...

i try to fight it, but the dark side is strong...

BTW - to prevent self-infection, avoid sites like ClubCivic.com

[VTEC16]

yeh....i didnt find any threads that interested me there....except that one....but even then, it was for negative reasons...

[tinkerbell]

Thats interesting. Most of them members are yanks right??

How are the yank dyno's compared to DynoDynamics? Sounds to me like they are dreaming with the figures they are claiming!

well, yes and the difference between US dyno's and AUS dyno's was explained to the poster in this thread http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=133123 on ClubRSX but it appears that he/she continued to post on ClubCivic without advising them of this fact...

doh!

[VTEC16]

...well....he did post a quote of what dyno dave said, explaining the differences...

[tinkerbell]

yes, but was that the whole story?

ignorance through omission is still the same evil...

[VTEC16]

^^^ true dat

[94vtirozguy]

what dyno dave said is about right.

I read an article a few years back explaining why there was a 12-15% difference in power output between a car placed on american dyno and australian dyno.

If you multiply your aussie dyno output by 1.12% to 1.15% you will see that your car does infact come out very close to the american dyno figures.

[tinkerbell]

do you remember the reason?

i always thought that the dyno's were different and had different compensation/correction factors...?

[94vtirozguy]

It was to do with how the americans setup the drive train loss on their dynos... i am very vague at the moment i am trying to hunt down the article...

[Civic Type R]

i got 89.4 at [cabin] AutoSalon Dyno Shootout.

B16A u know the rest.
not bad considering the car hadnt been driven for over a month and it was run in humid warm atmosphere inside the burswood dome.

p.s. i won the trophy too :P

[A'PEXi]

lol there were no other honda fanatics there competing for the award???

[McChook]

Its Perth...........

[Civic Type R]

There were 6 DC5R and a plethera of S2000 and other civics.
Not to mention Lenno with his [shogun] king of AutoSalon !

[Civic Type R]

o and [ND4SPD] silver R32 GTR in full street trim got 508

[luzinit]

Nice work mate!!!

taken that setup to the strip yet??

[Civic Type R]

Im competing in AutoSalon DragWars over here in 3 weeks. Im aiming for a mid 14 sec pass :P

[genesis]

I recently got 94.5kw on the APC dyno here in Brisbane.

[luzinit]

what were other n/a cars getting on the same day alex??
and wot mods have u got now??

[Civic Type R]

just some defense ... mine was done indoors in a sealed dome .. :)

[genesis]

luzinit.. take a look at http://www.mercurymotorsport.com.au/events/20040306/index.html

there's a wrap up of the day with results