PDA

View Full Version : V8 Supercars in China



LUD02C
06-06-2005, 07:38 PM
Some stats I stole from another forum!

Subject: V8 Supercars in China: The Logistics of Australian sport's largest airlift.

May 31 2005
For Immediate Release
The V8 Supercar Championship Series will record several significant firsts
later this week and again next week when its makes an historic trip to
Shanghai, China, for round five of the Series.
It is the first time the V8 Supercar Championship Series has moved its
entire operation for an overseas event, the first time V8 Supercars have
been airlifted and it will also be the largest single airlift in Australian
sporting history.
It has taken more than two years of planning just to piece together the
logistics of the exercise in which 32 V8 Supercars, associated equipment and
420 people will be airlifted across the equator to Shanghai to stage a V8
Supercar race in China.
It is anticipated that this will set a precedent for further international
V8 Supercar Championship Series events.
An overview of some of the logistics is as follows:
Freight Logistics:
* Every V8 Supercar will be transported from Melbourne's Avalon Airport to
Shanghai in two 747 400 Series Freighter Aircrafts
* Total weight of freight of each aircraft including accompanied television
equipment and purpose built containers is in excess of 100 ton
* The first 747 400 Series Freighter Aircraft will leave Avalon Airport,
Melbourne on Friday 4th June arriving in Pudong Airport, Shanghai early
Sunday morning
* Each aircraft will have 16 cars in 8 double stack car racks
* A purpose built aircraft container has been developed to house support
equipment for each car. This will not house spare engines (one per car),
gear boxes (two per car) and wheels as these items will be packed into
communal cargo in the aircrafts. Each aircraft will carry 12 communal
pallets
* Each car competing in the round will be allocated one support equipment
container. Race car support equipment containers are weight limited to 2500
kgs per container
* Each car will be supplied with a 200 litre drum for fuel in China.
Teams will need their own drum pumps, fuel churns etc for adding and
removing fuel from their cars
* All hazardous are being sourced in China. Items which cannot be air
freighted include acetone, aerosols, fiberglass repair kits, acid batteries,
brake cleaner, liquid polish, fire extinguishers other than 'on board
extinguishers,' paint, petrol or gasoline
* Each car will be limited to 16 wheels in addition to the four wheels that
are mounted to the car at the event. This is a total of 512 wheels
* 390 Dunlop wet weather tyres and associated tyre fitting machinery are
already in Shanghai. A further 650 Dunlop dry tyres are being sent direct
from the Dunlop factory in Nagoya, Japan, leaving on May 20
* The front bumper bar/splitter can be transported in the area on top of the
front bonnet on the bottom car only in the car rack
* Teams will be permitted to transport a maximum of two front bumper
bars/splitters in addition to the one fitted on the car plus one rear bumper
bar per competing car
* Team personnel will need to unload their race cars, engine boxes, loose
wheels and loose pit booms at Avalon Airport on Thursday 2nd June.
Teams will load race cars to the decks and strap them down with aircraft
certified straps supplied by Gibson Freight who will then handle the
assembly of the double stack racks securing the upper and lower decks to the
base aircraft pallet. Only aircraft certified straps can be used on the
double stack race car racks.
Financial Logistics:
* Each V8 Supercar is worth more than $A400,000 and $A100,000 per engine
* Each 747-400 Series Freighter Aircraft will be carrying more than
$A6.4 million in
V8 Supercars and $A3.2 million worth of engine equipment
* Total combined cost of the freight carried over by the two aircrafts will
be in excess of $A19.2 million, excluding additional equipment carried in
each team's allocated container
* With around $6 million in addition equipment, total value of freight is
more than $25 million
* Cost of purpose built AVESCO aircraft equipment is in excess of $A500,000.
Total cost of the entire freight operation of cars and equipment is in
excess of $1 million.
* There will be 420 people flown to Shanghai. This includes more than 300
team personnel, 60 Network Ten personnel, 40 officials and 20 Australian
media
* All are staying at the Galaxy Hotel in Shanghai at a cost of approximately
$85,000. Around 2000 bed nights are required for V8 Supercar related
personnel
* Total cost of airline tickets $2.1 million
* Teams and officials will spend some $300,000 on meals in the week leading
up to and including the event weekend
* Every team will be assigned a bus each for use in Shanghai.
* More than 5000 spectators are expected to make the trip to China from
Australia on various tours and as individuals.
Total estimated cost of travel to Shanghai excluding value of equipment
(freight, flights accommodation and meals): $3.9 million.

For Further Information:
Cole Hitchcock
Media Manager - AVESCO

I actually can't wait to watch them fly around a new International circuit.

7th Gen
06-06-2005, 09:04 PM
yeh some crazy shit

i saw them stacking the cars on the plane on RPM, they reckon there was so little tolerance in spacing between the top of the cars and the top of the plane

you'd hate to be an owner/driver and you car arrived at the other end all wrecked and destroyed due to the plane encountering 'turbulence' :D

they were also talking about it on V8 superstars about how the logistics of the season - F1 opener (melb), adelaide 500, then NZ then back to eastern creek, then down to avalon airport for the fly up to shanghai

big bucks the logistics game and a nightmare for teams based in QLD and for guys like brad jones out in albury (mark skaife was being a smartarse and asked 'where's the airport out in albury?' LOL)

jackosimm
06-06-2005, 09:21 PM
damn thats some money for a touring car series, whats the cost for F1 lol!!!
so much money for just one round

civ_sik
06-06-2005, 09:43 PM
yeh but there is 32 v8s and 20 f1 cars lol f1 is used to trecking atround so they do it well lol, v8s on the other hand its there 1st time flying, normally they use boats to goto nz

^^v
06-06-2005, 10:10 PM
meh..
JGTC > V8 super cars...
wish they would have more than 2 make of cars at least.. would help/improve the series so much...

will be interesting to see the crowd turn out on race day though.. hmm

7th Gen
06-06-2005, 10:13 PM
well holden and ford have the 'duopoly' on it all

for those of us who remember the good old days of Group A racing with the R32 GT-Rs and Jim Richards classic ' You're all a pack of arseholes' hahahahah
(actually a nice write up in the current SPEED mag on it)

anyway
there was a rumour that JGTC was coming over to Aus? to WA? that was a while back though, haven't heard anything since

^^v
07-06-2005, 01:50 AM
there was a rumour that JGTC was coming over to Aus? to WA? that was a while back though, haven't heard anything since

yeah wonder wot happened with that..
hope they bring the series over... n maybe the v8 boys can be one of the 'support races' :rolleyes:

Vivski
07-06-2005, 02:36 PM
I wonder what the small teams think about a trip to China. The big teams will make some money in sponsorship no doubt, but the small teams will suffer big time.

civ_sik
07-06-2005, 04:25 PM
thought the promoter pays for most of it...

Hondavirgin
07-06-2005, 05:36 PM
yeah, i heard they were being subsidised. I do think its great that they are going international though, if we can make it a high enough profile in the region other manufacturers may bother putting pressure on AVESCO so they can race.

The cars are basically the same anyways i thought with all the blueprinting and control stuff they do to them, bring back where the cars are the same as the cars on the street, i.e. a Sierra Cosworth with a 2litre turbo when you could buy the same thing on the street, M3s, GTRs, Volvos, all good.

Vivski
08-06-2005, 04:02 PM
Can you imagine the uproar if Nissan were allowed back into V8 Supercars?
All those Ford and Holden fans would chuck a spaz. Not to mention Holden and Ford.

Hondavirgin
08-06-2005, 04:22 PM
they'd probably have to use the same blueprinted 5.0 litre V8 the holden and ford boys use.

7th Gen
08-06-2005, 04:30 PM
yeah wonder wot happened with that..
hope they bring the series over... n maybe the v8 boys can be one of the 'support races' :rolleyes:

V8 boys already get shirty about being the support act for F1 in albert park

LUD02C
08-06-2005, 04:55 PM
Don't forget Indy, they also got the shits about that.

I actually wish they would allow Mitsubishi and Toyota in the competition.
The V8 RWD Magna they built was quicker around some tracks then what the Holdens and Fords were, best thing about the Magna was that it was a nice style of V8, something called overhead cams, the V8 paddock didn't understand it, just like the AWD in the Skyline, they saw more then 1 diff and got really confused.

Hondavirgin
08-06-2005, 05:01 PM
Don't forget Indy, they also got the shits about that.

I actually wish they would allow Mitsubishi and Toyota in the competition.
The V8 RWD Magna they built was quicker around some tracks then what the Holdens and Fords were, best thing about the Magna was that it was a nice style of V8, something called overhead cams, the V8 paddock didn't understand it, just like the AWD in the Skyline, they saw more then 1 diff and got really confused.

They all use one engine now i thought, not using GenIIIs and or the new ford 8s, so if any of the other guys could compete they'd have to use the standard engine

They need to go back to using actual manufacturer engines before anyone else can come in.

LUD02C
08-06-2005, 05:15 PM
When did that come in?
I only watch the V8's when I got time.

Who the engine builder and what block they use?
This is interesting, what about aero, did they scrap a whole lot of rules on that or is it real strict?

I know Brad Jones was one of the only goes who wanted to bring Wind Tunnels into the super taxi series!

Hondavirgin
08-06-2005, 05:26 PM
From what i understand a lot of the cars parts are basically the same engine wise, they are def. not using the actual manufacturers' engines (crazy, all the holden boys thinking they are buying a supercar when they pick up an HSV, but not even the same basic engine).

I don't know who the builder is (or supplier of parts anyways coz they'd build their own).

Aero is different, but modified so neither car has an advantage.

^^v
08-06-2005, 05:37 PM
Don't forget Indy, they also got the shits about that.

I actually wish they would allow Mitsubishi and Toyota in the competition.
The V8 RWD Magna they built was quicker around some tracks then what the Holdens and Fords were, best thing about the Magna was that it was a nice style of V8, something called overhead cams, the V8 paddock didn't understand it, just like the AWD in the Skyline, they saw more then 1 diff and got really confused.

rofl good one :thumbsup:

eh.. i didnt know they'd actually built a v8 rwd magna... thought it was all just talk.. interesting...
would there happen to be any pics of it floating around?

7th Gen
08-06-2005, 06:16 PM
yeh, same with Jase, first time i heard about this 'one engine' thing

any more details?

Hondavirgin
09-06-2005, 09:29 AM
i'll see what i can dig up about the one engine, its probably not exactly the same, but its definately not the Gen3s and BA 8s.

OK, praise be to google, but i was wrong re. one engine :o , but right that its not any relation to the engines they acutally put in road cars. Should teach me to not rely on RPM haha.

Here are the technical regs. There's actually quite a bit free, but the displacement is 5.0Litre and the basic construction is pretty tightly regulated, and its the same for both teams. So they bear no relation to the actual engines in the road cars AT ALL!

Aero is more specific to each car, as in certain cars have to run smaller wings or less elements etc.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/downloads/operationsman/2005/manual/2005%20Final%20Div%20C%20.pdf

engine regs start at page 20.

7th Gen
09-06-2005, 05:49 PM
too much to read hahahaha

also read somewhere that every car, regardless of whether its a ford or a holden has the same diff as well? don't quote me on that though :D

Hondavirgin
10-06-2005, 10:02 AM
yeah, can't find it in the regs but i've heard that too, standard Ford 9". Skimming through looking for diffs, and saw that the gear ratios are fixed and even the final drives are fixed according to which circuit they are on.

Javed
10-06-2005, 02:02 PM
I hate V8 supercars with a passion. Stupid family cars racing around a track.

Hondavirgin
10-06-2005, 02:17 PM
nah, they're not family cars anymore, only real relation i can see to road cars is the shape haha.

apart from that, its good close racing, the drivers are approachable on TV and speak their mind, the series has plenty of support and entrants, i don't mind it, haven't missed a minute of a Bathurst for many years.

I hate AVESCO though strangling every other category in Australia.

and wouldn't civic's, WRXs, Evos etc also class as family cars....i mean, they are all sedans or hatches....

Mr Vti
10-06-2005, 03:06 PM
i use to like the touring car series back in the late 80's and 90's where u had tony Longhurst and his yellow BMW and jim richards and mark skaife in there skyling and the ford seiera. i think it was much better racing then just having ford vs Holden.

Hondavirgin
10-06-2005, 03:41 PM
i use to like the touring car series back in the late 80's and 90's where u had tony Longhurst and his yellow BMW and jim richards and mark skaife in there skyling and the ford seiera. i think it was much better racing then just having ford vs Holden.

agreem was heaps better, but there's always GTP, and sometimes they show some NSW only series with all sorts of cars racing on Speedweek.

7th Gen
10-06-2005, 06:11 PM
i use to like the touring car series back in the late 80's and 90's where u had tony Longhurst and his yellow BMW and jim richards and mark skaife in there skyling and the ford seiera. i think it was much better racing then just having ford vs Holden.

Group A

Mr Vti
10-06-2005, 06:26 PM
what u mean by group A

7th Gen
10-06-2005, 09:02 PM
what u mean by group A

Group A is what the series was called

Ford Sierras, HR31 Skylines and of course later, the R32 GT-R's (where the term 'Godzilla' was first coined),BMW E30 M3 etc

of course these raced alongside the VK/VL (Walkinshaw? can anyone clarify?) C'dores

Mr Vti
10-06-2005, 10:33 PM
yep they were Walkinshaw's

JDM.Power
10-06-2005, 10:36 PM
AMBROSE GOING 2 WIN iT!

civ_sik
10-06-2005, 10:40 PM
ambrose is a wank fuk i hate that kent, murphy or skaife fo sure

7th Gen
10-06-2005, 10:50 PM
ambrose is a wank fuk i hate that kent, murphy or skaife fo sure

i suspect you are a holden fan then :D

anyone's race really. new track is a big gamble for everyone - no data etc. depends on who happens to have the best car set-up on the day

too much of a lottery to pick

LUD02C
11-06-2005, 12:05 PM
I reckon murphy or Ingill (sp) tow in China.
Both really aggressive, but Skaife might pull something out.

Its going to be good for a supertaxi race!

civ_sik
11-06-2005, 09:57 PM
todd kelly has won race one...