Just a Thought

[tegstar83]

I was just thinking today about hooking up a oxygen bottle to the intake * well not actually doing it* but if it was done would u be seeing more power ie like nos but without the Nitros, can this work?

Also if u have nothing constructive to say*u know who u are* then dont fkn post, I only want technical answers as to wheter therell be any benifits or not

[bennjamin]

Hmm. Has been discussed before im sure - but like alot of "good " ideas - if it actually worked, surely it would exist and be in use now ? Pure oxygen is highly flammable i have been told so it probably couldnt be used anyway. Also , a compressed canister of "air" - the air inside converts to atmospheric pressure ( IE 0 psi) once it is released from the enclosure SO this would also be useless. The point of a turbine ( in a supercharger or turbocharger) is to compress air into the induction cycle - achieving that which probably is impossbile with compressed air canister induction.

Correct me if wrong im just talkign out of my arse.

[tegstar83]

Im more thinking of actually putting it directly into the intake manifold I would assume that when the other air is flowing past it will also push the O2 into the engine, yer its flammabale but thats the point of it all, I would assume it would burn harder/faster and thus create alot more HP

[MIRZ]

did you watch Fast and Furious recently :D

[VTEC16]

BOOOM!!!

[Captiva_Blue]

The effect could be similar to that achieved by a turbo/supercharger if it was set up so that the air was still quite dense when it entered the manifold (which would allow more air to be packed into each combusition cycle) but the effect would be much more easily and cheaply achieved with forced induction of some kind, the air itself wouldn't burn any harder/faster than if it was compressed in a turbo or supercharger.

The only real benefit I can think of would be that the air would be very cold and so would be more efficiently combusted and you would avoid most of the heat issues associated with forced induction but I think it would be a lot of hassle for very little gain and playing with cryogenics can be very very dangerous... also expressed as..


BOOOM!!!

[Steer^Gimic]

Im more thinking of actually putting it directly into the intake manifold I would assume that when the other air is flowing past it will also push the O2 into the engine, yer its flammabale but thats the point of it all, I would assume it would burn harder/faster and thus create alot more HP

id imagine this wouldnt do much. once O2 is realeased from a canister or bottle or whatever, its, well, nothing. so there is nothing compressing the air, or nothing 'pushing' the air into where u want it to go. by having a bottle or whatever mounted to go into the intake manifold, i think it'd have the same affect of a pod filter...just normal air.

[smoknhothonda]

You would need to have some form of control how much air, and at what pressure. And u wouldnt need to have as much air getting forced into the intake manifold while your idling, compared to when you hitting vtec.... It would be a huge mammoth task to setup for very little gains Im sure! and Im sure mr plod would frown upon you with a oxy tank in your engine compartment, when pulled over for a friendly 'defect inspection'

You would be best to strap the compressed O2 bottle to your tailpipe open the valve and use this to help propel you :D

But in all its an idea...

Hmm maybe could feed compressed air out of a air conditioning system into your air filter!?!? Im sure the cooler dense air would have some form of gain?!? :rolleyes:

[aimre]

Ummm well

1. Pure oxygen itself isnt flamable... Result from a fire is H20 + CO2, there is no C or H in pure oxygen therefore its NOT flamable (Fuel, C8H10 + O2 -> H2O + CO2)

2. Air itself is only 22% oxygen (N2O [NOS] is 33% ogygen. hence power increase) so if u feed pure oxygen in there, there would be a power increase

[bennjamin]

Ummm well

1. Pure oxygen itself isnt flamable... Result from a fire is H20 + CO2, there is no C or H in pure oxygen therefore its NOT flamable (Fuel, C8H10 + O2 -> H2O + CO2)


what level of "oxygen" is flammable ?
(Shown in the media or movies etc - is say medical oxygen , which blows up often ?!?)

[CTR Coupe]

Ummm well

1. Pure oxygen itself isnt flamable... Result from a fire is H20 + CO2, there is no C or H in pure oxygen therefore its NOT flamable (Fuel, C8H10 + O2 -> H2O + CO2)

2. Air itself is only 22% oxygen (N2O [NOS] is 33% ogygen. hence power increase) so if u feed pure oxygen in there, there would be a power increase

There was example of how dangerous pure oxygen is at the Adelaide 500 2 years ago. BOC delivered pure oxygen to the GTP Ferrari team. They didn't check it just connected it up thinking it was compressed air. A guy started using a rattle gun the gun exploded broke the guys arm and the oxygen hose was spraying around with flames coming out of it setting fire to the tent and almost burnt the tent down.

Nitrous isn't explosive FnF style. This is why it's used instead of pure oxygen.

[aimre]

again, Result from a fire is H20 + CO2, there is no C or H in pure oxygen therefore its NOT flamable. its really simple chemistry.

O2 (oxygen molecule[2 oxygen atoms bonded]) with a spark will not combust,

BUT if its in the presence of a fuel, the fire will burn much more fiercly. The more oxgen, the more fire (only if there is a fuel)

So if there is an explosion, and theres pure oxygen (100%) instead of air (22% oxygen) the fire/ explosion would be more fierce.


I give u a challenge... PROVE ME WRONG... write me a combustion equation with oxygen as a fuel

[garett]

Also if u have nothing constructive to say*u know who u are* then dont fkn post, I only want technical answers as to wheter therell be any benifits or not


who are you refering to tegstar???

[mugeneration]

I think in terms of cost probably not much short of using nitous anyway, which is probably why noone does it. also refills are probably about the same anyway.

[z3lda]

who are you refering to tegstar???

[PhatSol]

again, Result from a fire is H20 + CO2, there is no C or H in pure oxygen therefore its NOT flamable. its really simple chemistry.

Exactly, oxygen is not flamable. Oxygen only 'burns' in the rattle gun because the rattle gun is full of flamable lube oil. Using oxygen on your car would be just like nitrous, except you would need much larger nozzles and lines.

Nitrous is much more dense because it is in the liquid state. Oxygen is stored in the cylinder as a gas. Therefore you will need a much greater volume of oxygen gas than you would liquid nitrous to have the same effect.

[wlee2]

i would say you going to blow up something if you pump pure O2 into the car intake manifold..

what aimre said is right O2 by itself doesnt "explode" but then again compressed air in a tank if ruptured would cause an explosion but not a burning explosion it would be just an expansion of air which is an explosion in a sence.. like a balloon filled with air when you prick it it explodes that kind of explosion .. u never going to see pure O2 burning without the pressence of like what aimre said some form of hydrocarbon.

and if air is 22% oxygen and Nitrous is umm 33% was it =P..

if compressed air can damage your engine even with the right tune your already forcing your engine to do things it wasent capable of doing at just normal atmospheric temperature and nos is 33% that can cause heaps of damage already.. would you be suicidal enough to put compressed PURE!!! oxygen into your engine!?

even jet engines use compressed air
rockets use solid state fuel and ingnited in air.. (the solidstate has something in it thought that helps it burn in space though i dont know what)
we are talking 100% pure oxygen been pumped into your car.. this in any sence is more volotile than putting in nos. and think about it how much of a squirt would u need to get a bottle of O2.. they cost a bomb.. O2 has medical uses and i think its not easy getting either.. but yeh someone suicidal would really wanna try this..
and you would run out of it soo quickly if you managed to use it..

there has to be a reason why no one tried it yet =P

[Lokmok1234]

I agree with wlee2 just the point about

Quote:"compressed air can damage your engine even with the right tune your already forcing your engine to do things it wasent capable of doing at just normal atmospheric temperature and nos is 33% that can cause heaps of damage already.. would you be suicidal enough to put compressed PURE!!! oxygen into your engine!?"

would be enough to point out that its a dumb idea.

[crxzzR]

Basically compressed O2 itself is not flammable..
if combined with a a hydrocarbon or watever.. the pure O2 will intensify the combustion..

also compressed O2 + grease is an explosive mixture.. That's why if anyone has ever used an oxyacetylene torch.. they will know never to grease the valves of the oxygen tank.
remember for complete combustion a ratio of air to fuel is 14.7:1
by having such a pure amount of oxygen will make it a lot easier to ignite if added with a fuel..
Advantages: yes u'll get more power..but the engine isn't designed for that much power..unless u know for sure honda has tested the combustion of all their engines with pure oxygen lol
Disadvantages: Very very very volatile.. if mixed with grease etc. imagine a rupture in the tank.. and it getting mixed with grease anywhere in the car..
this would seem to be unlike petrol where it is completely isolated before getting the injectors..

[steve]

Pure oxygen is not a good idea.

NASA found this out the wrong way, sending up the first apollo space craft they filled the cabin full of pure o2, thought everything was rosy until the cabin temps rose while exiting atmosphere and KABOOM, no more apollo...

[wlee2]

Pure oxygen is not a good idea.

NASA found this out the wrong way, sending up the first apollo space craft they filled the cabin full of pure o2, thought everything was rosy until the cabin temps rose while exiting atmosphere and KABOOM, no more apollo...


did they do that to the first apollo.. i woulda have guessed fuel cell leek.. as they do use H2 and O2 for Hydrogen Fuel cells in space..

and believe it or not large ammounts of O2 breathed in is not healthy either.. it has its medical purposes but i think they will never allow a patient to breath it in for to long.

[steve]

hmm maybe i didnt pay that much attention in science class:rolleyes: coulda swore that it was a similar scenario... quite happy to stand corrected tho:)

[Captiva_Blue]

I thought that Apollo 1 exploded on the launch pad, I didn't even make it off the ground.. Thats what Apollo 13 told me anyway.. :D

[Captiva_Blue]

From what I remeber of the Kennedy Space Centre tour.. the atmosphere wasn't 100% oxygen on Apollo 1 (I don't think that humans can survive in 100% oxygen, we need nitrogen as well) but it was more oxygen rich than open air, so a spark in the control panel ignited the hydrogen in the air and boom..

Am I off topic? :confused:

[steve]

ahh, its all comin back to me:) thanks guys:thumbsup: , still, apollo 1... KABOOM!