Sportivo Vs Civic VTiR

[thanh]

A stock Toyota Sportivo (2003) Vs a stock Honda Civic VTiR (1999) which one of these car would win at the lights and track.

My friend who owns a Sportivo beleive his car would win at the lights but i rekon the Civic would.

[thanh]

A owner of a sportivo also calm this:

sportivo with a trd cai can beat:

DC5R (4TH GEAR) - exhaust
DC2R (4TH GEAR) - stock
S15 SPEC S (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, BOV
VTIR CIVIC HATCH (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, intake, cams
R32 GTS-T (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, intake, front mount
180SX - SR20DET (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, front mount
VTIR CIVIC COUPE (1st GEAR) - exhaust
MAZDA 3 SP23 (2ND or 3RD GEAR) - stock
MAZDA ASTINA SP20 (2ND GEAR) - stoc

Yes it can ...... As i have tried this several times..... i dont know which shape the 98/99 is but the 2 door coupe and the hatch i have notched relitively untroubled victories over.....

On the track of course & stock for stock

ps. i also know of a black stivo (recaros) who made an RX8 very unhappy

[simon]

sorry to burst your bubble, but the Sportivo would munch you for breakfeast, lunch and dinner.. on both track and drags..

please none of this depends on driver crap..

[J-MuN]

werd... :( as a fellow civic driver... it is true... especially to a civic.... :(

[simon]

DC5R (4TH GEAR) - exhaust
DC2R (4TH GEAR) - stock
S15 SPEC S (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, BOV
R32 GTS-T (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, intake, front mount
180SX - SR20DET (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, front mount

ps. i also know of a black stivo (recaros) who made an RX8 very unhappy

okok.. sportivo has no chance in in taking any of the cars above... unless they were auto with flat tyres and some girl on her L's was driving.....

ie 4th gear in a s15 is hitting 180km+.. how can an N/A match a forced induction engine in top end?? actually why dont we turbo charge a sportivo.... actually that will still make it slower than some of the above mentioned cars.......

rx8? no way.... if theres a sportivo who wants to run one stock as... let me know........

ill believe it when i see it.........

[spetz]

I didn't think those sportivo's were that quick??

[simon]

I didn't think those sportivo's were that quick??

although they do have the 2ZZ (i think) engine from the celica (i think) and although they do have a 6 speed transmission and
although they do have VVTi-L

they won't come close to any of those cars, atleast not with those mods.

[<sloth>]

from memory the sportivo has a great engine with good kws but has stuff all tourqe... i find th above posts hard to belive.

[simon]

damn straight! tell the dude to put his money where his mouth is!

[x_tarcy33]

the sportivo pulls 141kw @7800rpm. similar to the dc2r but 200kgs heavier. so its pretty hard 2 believe that guys story

[simon]

the sportivo pulls 141kw @7800rpm. similar to the dc2r but 200kgs heavier

that's pretty impressive, is that for the 05 or 03 Sportivo?

[thanh]

that's pretty impressive, is that for the 05 or 03 Sportivo?

03 mate

[thanh]

now another question.... if the sportivo have the same kws with a dc2r can it really compare to a dc2r

[x_tarcy33]

they also have lift similar to the vtec

[simon]

sweet, wonder how EK9 would fair against the Sportivo.

[civtir]

Article on corolla sportivo:

http://www.rallysportmag.com/cms/A_20577/article.html

From the article:

"Quoted figures have the Sportivo going from 0-100km/h in 8.4 seconds and completing a standing 400 metres in 16.1 seconds. The top speed is 215km/h"

Stock figures don't seem that impressive.

[^^v]

do a search moite..
civic vs sportivo has been covered extensively ...

a straight drag.. the rola sportivo would have an ek4 by a couple of car length...
on the circuit.. it would be much much closer.. imo the ek4 would win...

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5063&highlight=sportivo+dc2r

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10729&highlight=sportivo+dc2r

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3412&highlight=sportivo+dc2r

as for the sportivo beating a Rx8... rx8's aint that fast to begin with... pulls a mid to high 15 sec pass...

[x_tarcy33]

from wat ive heard, the standing start on the sportivo is pretty crap, but rolling start its better

[simon]

i noticed this too, a friend of mine bought a '05 Sportivo.

although on paper they're shit slow, i think on the road they'll be quicker.

[thanh]

from wat ive heard, the standing start on the sportivo is pretty crap, but rolling start its better

that is with most front wheel drive.. even a type r has a crap standing start

[thanh]

do a search moite..
civic vs sportivo has been covered extensively ...

a straight drag.. the rola sportivo would have an ek4 by a couple of car length...
on the circuit.. it would be much much closer.. imo the ek4 would win...

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5063&highlight=sportivo+dc2r

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10729&highlight=sportivo+dc2r

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3412&highlight=sportivo+dc2r


as for the sportivo beating a Rx8... rx8's aint that fast to begin with... pulls a mid to high 15 sec pass...

Sorry moite for the trouble

[^^v]

np moite :D

[SiR CRX]

I can't believe people rate the Sportivo over a VTi-R. Currently the fastest n/a Sportivo in Oz does high 14's with a stocker doing high 16's or 17's. I have personally driven a Corolla Sportivo with full exhaust, 17 inch wheels, cai and a pod filter and that car was still doing 16's. They are not fast at all and are incredibly sluggish until mid to high revs. A Civic VTi-R would eat a Sportivo for breakfast in a straight line (can't comment on the track) and has much much more potential for tuning too.

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Craigs 2 runs were:

14.95 @ 151.7km/hr(94.26mph)
14.89 @ 153.56km/hr(95.42mph)

This now unofficialy makes him the most powerful (126.2FWkW) and the fastest ZZE123 in Australia.

Now just to run those times at a ANDRA sanctioned event to make it official!!

Congratulations Craig from (me) and GroupVIP.org

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[simon]

I have personally driven a Corolla Sportivo with full exhaust, 17 inch wheels, cai and a pod filter and that car was still doing 16's. They are not fast at all and are incredibly sluggish until mid to high revs. A Civic VTi-R would eat a Sportivo for breakfast in a straight line (can't comment on the track) and has much much more potential for tuning too.

have you driven an EK4?

[SiR CRX]

Nah I have driven a VTi-R coupe though and I am looking at geting an EK4 or a Jazz soon. You really think the Sportivo is quicker hey?

[simon]

than the Ek4? yes i do.

[SiR CRX]

Damn!! :(

So what do you think an EK4 would do in stock form down the strip?

[simon]

16-17s

[**Ghost**]

hahahaha corolla vs ek4 i cant comment as no one driving a sportivo has yet run me yet ...... actually one did try and start a traffic light sprint with me... he got arrested by the cop shop 300metres down the road (i tried to warn him)

neway for those ppl who claim (not pointing at u thanh) that a sportivo can beat a Sr20DET with a FMIC/Exhaust.... or a Rb25 with FMIC/Exhaust..... i gota say u have to tell that person he should tell us all what hallucigenic drug he is taking cos by god its working well for him...

Dc5R/Dc2R i aint gonna argue... but the nissans? pleaseeeeeeeee...

[JDM Element]

Lol..

141kw is very impressive. The funny thing is, while the toyota world is stoked about this... Honda were celebrating nearly 10 years ago with the integra... hahaha

[simon]

what hallucigenic drug he is taking cos by god its working well for him...

good call.


Dc5R/Dc2R i aint gonna argue... but the nissans? pleaseeeeeeeee...

sportivo can take type-rs?

[^^v]

sportivo can take type-rs?

short answer .. no...
even if we're talkin about an EK9 (which pulls low to mid 15's).. the sportivo would have trouble running quicker than it down the strip...

[simon]

i have a mate that has a '05 sportivo.. as soon as it's run in i'll give him a go.

[|N|]

think abt the weight of rolla... pffft

[simon]

mm.. packs more of a punch though.

[Lokmok1234]

isn't the vvti engine in the rolla harder to rev than the ek9?

[**Ghost**]

look i dunno about dc5R/dc2R... i gotta seem em run side to side for that.... i would bet on the DCs but i'm not going to pass a judgement thats wot i am saying cos at least on PAPER the 2 are very similar in terms of KW output...

i havent driven a sportivo so i am not going to make a judgment simple as that

but as for SR20DET/RB25DET... a 141kw na cant even keep with a stock, let alone one that has gained prolly wot... 15-20 Kwatw from the FMIC/Exhaust

[EGB16A]

I gave a corolla ttr (sportivo i think?) a run and got him, but not by very much at all, but vtec wasn't working properly then, i wanna know how i'd go if it were working consistantly

[Limbo]

I've seen the sportivos run stock they are not much chop as they are extremely heavy for their size. They are more a track car as they come with brake balancers standard. In a straight line an ek4 would beat it just. it would be a close call but based on 1/4 mile times the ek4 is quicker. Also my friend has the sportivo and he tells me that the gears don't jump in as quick as you would expect. There is brief lag in clutch gripping. HE has told me that he has confirmed this with all the other sportivo drivers he's seen.

Also the corolla would die against the ITR as i have seen the celica(which had the same engine and light weight) get kicked my a DC2r.

The corolla is abit of a slug but once it gets going its fairly quick.

I believe the older 2000 sportivo was quicker as it was turbo, but they were a limited model.

[thanh]

hahahaha corolla vs ek4 i cant comment as no one driving a sportivo has yet run me yet ...... actually one did try and start a traffic light sprint with me... he got arrested by the cop shop 300metres down the road (i tried to warn him)

neway for those ppl who claim (not pointing at u thanh) that a sportivo can beat a Sr20DET with a FMIC/Exhaust.... or a Rb25 with FMIC/Exhaust..... i gota say u have to tell that person he should tell us all what hallucigenic drug he is taking cos by god its working well for him...

Dc5R/Dc2R i aint gonna argue... but the nissans? pleaseeeeeeeee...

I have driven both cars, sportivo and dc2r and i got to say that the sportivo has no chance with the dc2r. But i dying to see a civic vtir and sportivo.

[thanh]

Lol..

141kw is very impressive. The funny thing is, while the toyota world is stoked about this... Honda were celebrating nearly 10 years ago with the integra... hahaha

HEAHEAAHEHEAHEAAHEHAAHE

If it's cheap and reliable, it's not fast (Sportivo) . If it's cheap and fast, it's not reliable (180sx). If it's fast and reliable, it's not cheap (Type R).

[barefootbonzai]

I think heaps of you guys are just talking rubbish from what you've "heard". As much as i love honda, it's true that the sportivos are quicker than the civics and integras. Me and my friends couldn't believe it either, but we raced a group of sportivo boys and all the hondas that just had I/H/E lost to sportivos with same mods.

[**Ghost**]

actually the turbo corollas were pieces of crap... they made it too safe... lowered the compression too much so no balls without turbo, combined with a small dick of a turbo that made not that much boost...

[Kawasaki]

whats a toyota? :D

[danny]

I have an em1 99 coupe with an air filter system, my brother has an 04 sportivo with a cannon

we race, i won not by much but i did we frequntley race and yes he has beatn me but i have beaten him to on many occasions........

so the Vtir vs tivo is close race............

[Da1nONLY]

I think heaps of you guys are just talking rubbish from what you've "heard". As much as i love honda, it's true that the sportivos are quicker than the civics and integras. Me and my friends couldn't believe it either, but we raced a group of sportivo boys and all the hondas that just had I/H/E lost to sportivos with same mods.

maybe integras! =P
but not the dc2r's =)

[joyride]

who would want to even known a sportivo? they're ugly.

[thanh]

Sportivo can not stand in japanese sport motors but it is a fast family car! maybe im just bias :)

[civiceg9]

Toymod or twincams, there are heaps of owners complainting about there sportivo rolla. Bad gear ratio and fragile gearbox. :D
other then that is cheap, has a good engine and is luxury on the inside, leather seats, auto everything, climate control.

I driven one and you set bloody tall inside like a normal rolla, gearing is tall.
Honda have very good gears and gearbox, plus it handles alot better to my liking.

[**Ghost**]

if the Ek4 and Corolla came out at the same time i think most ppl would have bought the corolla... reasons...

1. sportivo has a factory bodykit ek4 does not
2. sportivo has LEATHER seats, ek4 has ghey bucket seats in comparison
3. at least on PAPER the sportivo seems better

and do note that both cars are still about the same price, DESPITE the inflation in the last few years... so sportivo is really good fking value for money

if it were a 2nd hand comparison i would buy the ek4...

[sirvtec]

corolla against a sr20det? what a joke.
their g/box design is not as close ratio as a type R or a civic

[thanh]

One of my good friend owns a Sportivo.... His going to be so "Cut" when he reads all these comment about his car. Poor dude. Originally he wanted to buy a 200sx S14 but he got a sportivo instead which i think is still a better choice.

[civiceg9]

I wonder why Honda and Toyota don't bring the 2 door models over here.
Look so much better then sedan or the hatch(mini bus)

[thanh]

Must say that the sportivo has a much nicer interior then the civic's

[x_tarcy33]

who would want to even known a sportivo? they're ugly.

take that back! i own a sportivo! :D

[thanh]

take that back! i own a sportivo! :D

and there he is....... his hurt now:(

[dc2dc2dc2]

ahahaha...i don't know much about sportivo's but after reading this they seem like lil animals. But still...i gotta say exterior wise vtir civic is a very sleek clean sexy car when compared to the sportivo !

[**Ghost**]

problem with EK4 exterior is that it looks no different to all the shopping trolley cxis out there... if they at least color coded the damn thing it'd look better...

i'm repeating myself here, i've said this many times,... if Honda marketed the Ek4 like toyota did with the sportivo they woulda sold so many more... they shoulda at least gave the hatchy lips + color coding cos the majority of ppl back then were not willing to pay lik $8k more for a better engine only

but ah well...guess itw orked out for me in the end cos sicne honda didnt sell many, the value for ek4 is holding up well

[SiR CRX]

take that back! i own a sportivo! :D

What are you doing here then?

PS :honda: = :thumbsup:

[x_tarcy33]

checkin out this thread, cant i do that?

[thanh]

What are you doing here then?

PS :honda: = :thumbsup:

i own a toyota too... and your point is?

[SiR CRX]

NO!!!

I thought you would have realised it was a sarcastic comment champ. Free to do as you please.

[thanh]

oNLY Joking mate... we should all hold hands

[Da1nONLY]

i think the sportivo's are pretty good looking.
well when they are dropped and with good a set of rims. =)

[SiR CRX]

i own a toyota too... and your point is?

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/68228/200.jpg

Tissue?

[_CiVIC_]

My brother's opinion being a Stivo Owner

The person that drove the Sportivo and drove the Civic, and then said the Civic had more potential, I have news for you.. I am a Mechanic and I have driven both a Sportivo and Civic.. personally the Stivo has more aggressiveness.

Civic mods (heavy duty clutch, and a pod) it ran a 15.6
Sportivo mods (ECU, and exhaust) ran a 15 flat.

The driver makes a big difference, consider the power to weight ratios too.

STIVO ALL D WAY!

[SiR CRX]

Look at the parts support for a Sportivo and then look at it for a VTi-R. There are no less than 30 (probably even more) different brands that do top quality upgrades for the B16A engine. There are all different types of cams, intake manifolds, stroker kits, headers, exhausts, ecu's, clutches, flywheels, valve springs, supercharger kits, turbo kits etc etc etc. Do you know what potential means? Stock form has nothing to do with potential.

[gelo]

its has been tested that the ek9 beats the celica in a striaght line
its shown in the best motoring vids

i THINK ive read before in some aussie car mag like wheels or similar stuff
that they did a test on the ek4 and the celica and the ek4 was better/faster
i cant confrim but sorry

[^^v]

there r just too many variables...
obviously driver is the biggest..
at least on 'paper' the sportivo should beat an EK4/EM1 down the strip...
but u'll always get ppl saying one has beatin the other...
at the end of the day who really carez eh...


its has been tested that the ek9 beats the celica in a striaght line
its shown in the best motoring vids


yeah i've seen that too.. quite impressive :thumbsup:
3rd gear vtec :D

[luzinit]

ahhhhhhhh 6 pages and still nothing definitive!!
stock 1/4 mile times plz from owners! not magazine! anyone??
i cant post mine cos my car wasnt stock, doh.... unless someones got times for a sportivo with sussy and catback, i can compare with. i ran 15.1, catback + sussy.

on track i cannot comment. also on paper, ur only looking at peak power.... the celica/sportivo engine is meant to be even peakier than the b16as, seen a few dyno charts on ToyotaOwnersClub forums. Their 1/4 mile seems very similar too, however I find that I always read about these sportivos beating turbos n shit.. wtf... yet I never hear the same thing about celicas?

[x_tarcy33]

ahhhhhhhh 6 pages and still nothing definitive!!
stock 1/4 mile times plz from owners! not magazine! anyone??
i cant post mine cos my car wasnt stock, doh.... unless someones got times for a sportivo with sussy and catback, i can compare with. i ran 15.1, catback + sussy.

on track i cannot comment. also on paper, ur only looking at peak power.... the celica/sportivo engine is meant to be even peakier than the b16as, seen a few dyno charts on ToyotaOwnersClub forums. Their 1/4 mile seems very similar too, however I find that I always read about these sportivos beating turbos n shit.. wtf... yet I never hear the same thing about celicas?

toyotawonersclub is dominated by stivo owners. thats y u see them talkin bout beatin turbos. even wen they talk bout beatin turbos, its a lil hard to believe but owell, wat can u do

[MRJDM]

i beaten a sportivo rolling and start. and ive beaten a type r rolling and stop start. and the gap between me and the type r is smaller

[**Ghost**]

alright so wot would a stock DC5r PULL down the 1/4

[2zzrolla]

Hey guys,
i love vtec. i always been saying that i'm gonna be driving a dc2r, but at the end of the day i wen't wit a sportivo. why?????? it a new car, power is impressive, nice interior and great value wise. honestly i think this match up is prettymuch even. it'll totally depend on the driver. i've beatin all holden and fords besides xr6t and gen 3 v8s. i have beaten vti-r integras but still haven't had a chance of dc2r, ek9 or dc5. so till the time comes... it's still talk.....

[panda[cRx]]

141kw is very impressive.

sportivo's are very OVERATED

also to get this 141 toyota are known to fudge dyno figures by unplugging AC, power steering etc

[barefootbonzai]

maybe integras! =P
but not the dc2r's =)

There was 2 DC2R's and 1 DC5R and all 3 lost to the sportivo in 4th gear.

[PaZzMaN-R]

were they all stock though???

[Da1nONLY]

There was 2 DC2R's and 1 DC5R and all 3 lost to the sportivo in 4th gear.

wow....
mustve been the driver =P

[EK9]

damn, this thread is a blardy waste of my brain power...

anyways, here's my thoughts. sportivo vs vtir? who gives a damn. y compare a 2L 6 gear car wif a 3yr older 1.6 5 gear car?? are u planning to buy one to race other ppl? these debates will go no where ppls...

i haven't driven a sportivo, but looking at specs and hearing ppls OPINIONS, i would think the two are close... isn't the sportivo a heavy fat arse?

against dc2r, dc5r, ek9... i wouldn't think it would beat them in a straight line... i'm pretty sure my car does low 15's... maybe 15 flat. but then this is the PERFECT drag, perfect take off, gear changing, etc... so in real life it probably doesn't mean jack. i've tried in my car, found that launching at 5-6k rpm is ideal... would u do that on the street? i wouldn't... it all depends on the driver in the end. around the track, blah wont even go there...

but a sportivo take on sum turbo nissans wif fmic,etc? LOL... yer rite. just off the line they'd say bye bye wif all their torque and rwd. i highly doubt the sportivo would have the power and acceleration just to catch up...

[**Ghost**]

Hey guys,
i love vtec. i always been saying that i'm gonna be driving a dc2r, but at the end of the day i wen't wit a sportivo. why?????? it a new car, power is impressive, nice interior and great value wise. honestly i think this match up is prettymuch even. it'll totally depend on the driver. i've beatin all holden and fords besides xr6t and gen 3 v8s. i have beaten vti-r integras but still haven't had a chance of dc2r, ek9 or dc5. so till the time comes... it's still talk.....

are u in melbourne mate? if so come to the heatcote legal drags... i'll drag u : )

[Speeder]

A owner of a sportivo also calm this:

sportivo with a trd cai can beat:

DC5R (4TH GEAR) - exhaust
DC2R (4TH GEAR) - stock
S15 SPEC S (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, BOV
VTIR CIVIC HATCH (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, intake, cams
R32 GTS-T (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, intake, front mount
180SX - SR20DET (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, front mount
VTIR CIVIC COUPE (1st GEAR) - exhaust
MAZDA 3 SP23 (2ND or 3RD GEAR) - stock
MAZDA ASTINA SP20 (2ND GEAR) - stoc


ps. i also know of a black stivo (recaros) who made an RX8 very unhappy

WTF??? is this person on drugs??? what kind of drugs??? I can understand the mazda 3s etc, but RB20DET, SR20DET??? Um I have friends who own some of the rides this person have mentioned (not stock) and they take on modern V8 pretty well......I have neva seen a sportivo corolla take on let alone in front of a modern 8, actually the sportivo wont have a chance.
I have a dc2r and have ripped 2 sportivos, but i wont use this as a concrete theory, too much variables. also i have a mate with a RX8 (6sp) and was side by side with a fairly modified r33 gtst (fmic, comp, clutch etc, running stock turbo, both friends) till late 3rd gear, yet neva once a corolla of any make and model could stick with it during 2nd...... sorry as much as i like to believe this person, i don't, actually its pretty funny, because if this person owned one of the turbo cars, they will neva agree with a corolla beating him/her, because the odds are they wont.

ps. this person claimed to beat a civic coupe in 1st gear??? unless ofcause if this person meant that the civic could not catch up from the 1st gear so on.

[**Ghost**]

so no sportivos owners in melb ? : ( .....i really wanted to drag one down the 1/4

[civiceg9]

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[civiceg9]

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http://www.topgear.com/images/spacer.gifThe moment you first discover the point of the Civic Type-R, it's not just an eye-opener, but an eye-widener. Select third gear. Find a clear bit of road. Nail it. The revs rise steadily through 3, 4, 5000rpm, but it's not yet pulling that hard. Then 6,000rpm approaches, and the engine note becomes a vibrant yowl, resonating through the cabin. Suddenly the front tyres scrabble and the steering wheel fidgets and you're pelted up towards the rev limiter with bewildering force. You've just been V-TECced.

This is the Type-R's party trick. Timing is everything - get it wrong and you'll be fighting to keep the thing on the road. But it's an immensely rewarding device to step smartly through a bend or leap out and overtake, venomous surge of race-tuned adrenaline at your beck and call. Acceleration has been enhanced by a lighter flywheel and clutch assembly on the facelifted 2004 Type-R, shaving the 0-62mph time from 6.8 to 6.6 seconds.

The better the roads, the better the Type-R feels. The body is impressively rigid, and the taut, firm ride chatters away - not as much as the steering though. This car needs to be taken firmly in hand, or it will wander off in curiosity. Where will this camber take me? What's the tarmac like on that side of the road? With 197bhp going through the front wheels, though, a bit of torque steer is hardly surprising.

That's fine when you're blatting merrily along a country road, scaring the wildlife with that manic exhaust howl: in those circumstances, two hands on the wheel and furrowed concentration are no more than you'd expect. On a motorway, though, the car doesn't feel settled at a cruising speed, making long motorway slogs a chore. When you're not thrashing the thing up to the red-line, that insistent mechanical engine buzz loses its charm, too.

In fact, motorway journeys had me praying for traffic jams just so I could change down through the razor-edged, short-shifting, flick-throwing gearbox. This six-speed unit is simply one of the finest on the market, and allows you to work as quickly as the mad-revving engine requires. The brakes, too, are impressive - they feel under-servoed and numb given a light toeing, but press firmly and they bite hard and progressively, giving a good sense of under-tyre conditions.

While we're on the positives, the Type-R is a damn good pose: it's amazing how Honda has managed to give such presence and drama to an under-designed wedge of a hatchback. The Civic hunkers low and moody over its alloys, hiding menacingly behind spoilers and side skirts. The model also gets the cosmetic shake-up applied to the rest of the Civic range: new headlamps and a new front spoiler keep it fresh. Inside, the black and red alcantara Recaros stare at the tiny alloy gearknob, perfectly placed halfway down the dashboard. It all feels a bit special.

Which is just as well, because you'd want to feel special after forking out for group 17 insurance. At £16,000, though, the Type-R is cracking value. For the money you're getting an engine and gearbox combination that would feel special at twice the price - the same could not be said of more expensive rivals such as the £16,675 Vauxhall Astra GSi Turbo. Whatever the conditions the Type-R asks a lot of its driver, but all its nagging is forgiven each time you soar over 6000rpm and discover the car's true point. If only all cars could define themselves so clearly.


Maximum speed (MPH)1460-62mph (seconds)6.8
Brake horse power (BHP)197
Max torque (NM)197
Kerb weight (kg)1204

[mregb16]

I know for a fact this is unfortunately true. I have a EG4 with B16 JDM conversion and I can effectively keep up (not behind) with a mates Sportivo with just an APEXi muffler and TRD CAI.

Both of us raced the DC2R, DC5R, 180SX, R32, Civic. This things are pretty wild with their power's but they are putting down like 118kw @ front wheels with exhausts and CAI's. It has more power, but also heavier. Also the Tivo's 4th gear is quite nuts too. Thats the only gear where it will beat me (not pull away just in front of me). A recently Drag turbo kitted B16 VTiR actually raced aswell only beat him by a car length the whole way (until 3-4th gear when turbo went crazy and kept on pulling)

The DC5 had a Mugen twin-loop exhaust and a few other things - surprisingly enough the Sportivo won. And it was atleast by 1.5 - 2 car lengths over a 200m stretch. Sportivo was in front the whole way. The DC2 was just dropped on coil-overs and was beaten. Another was a EK VTIR with Toda A-Spec, Apexi Power FC, Nology Hotwires, aluminium HKS induction, Zeal coil-overs etc. Was a bit off tune but still 3:5 times the Sportivo won.

I still prefer the Honda's all year long, but the Tivo's are becoming good competition.

[panda[cRx]]

so no sportivos owners in melb ? : ( .....i really wanted to drag one down the 1/4

ask em on the toyota forums lol

just like crxaus was gonna organise a crx vs nissan pulsar/exa etc day a while back lolz

[**Ghost**]

wheres a toyota forum? i want a sportivo to run... not saying i'll win... but i want a go

[panda[cRx]]

sum focker linked a forum a few pages back fool

[**Ghost**]

can someone just invite one to heatcote... cos in all honsetly i reckon an ek4 can run it to a draw

[DC2108]

i ran a sportivo b4 when i first got mi car at the light
well re riped mi coz i did nt noe how to drive manal n i missed 3rd gear it was prity bad
well i think now i would have r better chance but i think to sportivo ogt advantage coz the engine is frest brand new so the internal r in better con .

[tRipitaka]

don't u have a teg though ?

[thanh]

here goes nothing.. on paper

http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesearch/comp3specs.asp?firstkey=TOYO03HX&secondkey=HOND98AK&thirdkey=HOND00SM

[thanh]

and heres the link on the toyota

http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2736&st=0

[vinhy]

The DC5 had a Mugen twin-loop exhaust and a few other things - surprisingly enough the Sportivo won. And it was atleast by 1.5 - 2 car lengths over a 200m stretch. Sportivo was in front the whole way. The DC2 was just dropped on coil-overs and was beaten. Another was a EK VTIR with Toda A-Spec, Apexi Power FC, Nology Hotwires, aluminium HKS induction, Zeal coil-overs etc. Was a bit off tune but still 3:5 times the Sportivo won.

did this happen in brisbane.
did the ek go up against a white sportivo. coz i heard that white sportivo is the fastest in queensland. also wat colour was the dc2 with the coilovers

[vvtl-i]

there was a blue that was there that night, which went almost as quick as the white one, maybe the length of the bonnet was the diff?

and then there's also a certain black one that goes around sunnybank in brisbane but hardly turns up to any meets.

[_CiVIC_]

my brother's stivo runs a 15 flat these days, with a few minor mods under the hood ;) Its silver with white diablo racers..

[barefootbonzai]

I know for a fact this is unfortunately true. I have a EG4 with B16 JDM conversion and I can effectively keep up (not behind) with a mates Sportivo with just an APEXi muffler and TRD CAI.

Both of us raced the DC2R, DC5R, 180SX, R32, Civic. This things are pretty wild with their power's but they are putting down like 118kw @ front wheels with exhausts and CAI's. It has more power, but also heavier. Also the Tivo's 4th gear is quite nuts too. Thats the only gear where it will beat me (not pull away just in front of me). A recently Drag turbo kitted B16 VTiR actually raced aswell only beat him by a car length the whole way (until 3-4th gear when turbo went crazy and kept on pulling)

The DC5 had a Mugen twin-loop exhaust and a few other things - surprisingly enough the Sportivo won. And it was atleast by 1.5 - 2 car lengths over a 200m stretch. Sportivo was in front the whole way. The DC2 was just dropped on coil-overs and was beaten. Another was a EK VTIR with Toda A-Spec, Apexi Power FC, Nology Hotwires, aluminium HKS induction, Zeal coil-overs etc. Was a bit off tune but still 3:5 times the Sportivo won.

I still prefer the Honda's all year long, but the Tivo's are becoming good competition.

Is that you Euler? Has to be!!! Anyways, what he said was true, i was there ;)

[Setanta]

A owner of a sportivo also calm this:

sportivo with a trd cai can beat:

DC5R (4TH GEAR) - exhaust
DC2R (4TH GEAR) - stock
S15 SPEC S (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, BOV
VTIR CIVIC HATCH (4TH GEAR) - exhaust, intake, cams
R32 GTS-T (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, intake, front mount
180SX - SR20DET (3RD GEAR) - exhaust, BOV, front mount
VTIR CIVIC COUPE (1st GEAR) - exhaust
MAZDA 3 SP23 (2ND or 3RD GEAR) - stock
MAZDA ASTINA SP20 (2ND GEAR) - stoc

Yes it can ...... As i have tried this several times..... i dont know which shape the 98/99 is but the 2 door coupe and the hatch i have notched relitively untroubled victories over.....

On the track of course & stock for stock

ps. i also know of a black stivo (recaros) who made an RX8 very unhappy

ROFLCOPTER at the bullshit sprouted by people whose cars are "unspecified".

VtiR yeah, I'd believe that - but my EF9 sat nose to nose with a sportivo and neither of us got ahead and we were both trying hard. That's a 15 year old car with 290,000kms.

Put em on a track and see what happens - I'd especially like to see a Sportivo take a DC2R or a 180SX around Wakefield or the like.

[02ZZI]

Is that you Euler? Has to be!!! Anyways, what he said was true, i was there ;)

I dont think it is, could be but. I am pretty sure the rolla boys all had a dyno last weekend and the best output they got was like 122kw at the wheels give or take a few kw's. I am friends with euler. Hate to admit it these things are fast. couldnt see them beating a ITR well i never want to see that happen. They are a friggen corolla. I got the best motoring video of the ek9 whooping the celica very comprehensively.

[gelo]

id hate to admit this but
during one circuit club trackday
my full trim stock ek4's best time is around 1'21 flat ( with spare tyre)
and the rolla clocked mid to high 1'18's

dunno what mods the rolla had but i was tryign pretty hard 2 get a time to match it
i doubt its stock but
coz its one of the circuit clucb ppl's
but u never know

[edw-R]

I can't say anything bad about the sportivo. I can't believe sportivo that fast. But i still beated them. hahahahahaha HONDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Felix]

on the RX8 issue, i dragged off at the lights a stock RX8 in my stock 98 VTiR Teg!!!

[Speeder]

on the RX8 issue, i dragged off at the lights a stock RX8 in my stock 98 VTiR Teg!!!

It was most likely an auto, they lose like 30kw or so.

[SPEEDCORE]

Put em on a track and see what happens - I'd especially like to see a Sportivo take a DC2R or a 180SX around Wakefield or the like.

Thankyou! I'd like to throw in a EK4 to your equation too.



And Edw-R..... well the level of modification your car has compared to the average sportivo out there, its pretty silly to compare the two. Come on mate..... you know better than that.

[Danthuyer]

edw-R I heard you went well that night ;) As soon as the Clutch has been redone I will come out and give you a run (suspect I will loose :( )

barefootbonzai - yes I was there too ;)

[barefootbonzai]

And Edw-R..... well the level of modification your car has compared to the average sportivo out there, its pretty silly to compare the two. Come on mate..... you know better than that.

lol, there's none that even come close yo!!!!

[Blew_lude]

a civic vti-r does 15.7 stock down the quarter with a 0-100 in 7.9 secs
and the sportivo does 15.9 with a 0-100 in around the 8.4 mark!
its hard to bealieve that a lil mod like a TRD intake can all of the sudden beat turbos
esp s15's...mate the s15 would absolutely slay the corolla even if the driver was michael schumacher!

i ran an s15 with my Lude(E/H/I) and i reckon the dude had time to light a ciggarette and still beat me!..and i run consistant 15's flat!
as they say, spend 8 gran on an N/A car, u get 1 sec off
spend 8 gran on a turbo car u get 3 secs off.
there is unlimted mods to turbo, N/a has to stop!

to the dude who claims all these victories, please, take ur hand of it!! and i dont mean the gear stick either!

[Blew_lude]

and as for the sportivos against a type r?.

0-100 type r- 6.3 secs
sportivo- 8.4...excuse me, but thats about 2 car lengths in front!
if ur gona start comparing toyotas to hondas,
start at the bottom of the ladder and build ur way up.!!
dnt just jump straight to the top, what next?..sportivo Vs NSX?..
ur kiddin!

[Speeder]

and as for the sportivos against a type r?.

0-100 type r- 6.3 secs
sportivo- 8.4...excuse me, but thats about 2 car lengths in front!


Wow 6.3 secs to 100 in the R???? Not sure about that figure, especially stock, but yeah the guy with the 'kills' is over-rating the sportivo over the moon.

[SpOOn-FED]

hey hey hey please guys this is turning into a grudge match .....i recently whent with some of my frends down to wakefield for a lil bit of a track day , my frend has a sportivo.....he the only one who owns a sportivo out of our group and i gota say it is prety impressive......
i found it prety hard to keep up with it on some turns but straight line i cut through it like a hot knife through butter, aerodynamics compared to my DC5R has a little bit more drag thats why i took it to schooll on the straight but the suspension set up he had on was crazy even though our cars are not stock we had almost the same kilowat output (in favor of me by 12 klw) and our suspension set up was also close but that vvti engine is is something it powers through corners its not bad at the start but probably from 2nd to 3rd (guessing which gears he was on) it lacked the legs to compete with my DC5R...........

so my opinion....
SPORTIVO= not bad not bad at all very impressive
DC5R= too hot to handle (but lacks the turn (must tweak suspension set up)...)

[Setanta]

a civic vti-r does 15.7 stock down the quarter with a 0-100 in 7.9 secs
and the sportivo does 15.9 with a 0-100 in around the 8.4 mark!


I was wondering about this - Honda quotes my (stock) SiR at doing 15.3 down the 1/4 - I can only get 15.5 as a PB (once) and average 15.6-15.7. Now I know my EF9 is heavy at 1030 kilos and the power to weight is better than an EK4/EM1 seeing as both run 160ps motors, but the difference in strip running against an EK4 puts me very slightly ahead. While I'll conceed my motor has crap bottom end compared to a sportivo, getting smoked by one is a little bit hard to understand.

A modded one maybe (my EF9 is stock), but not a stockie.

[Blew_lude]

Wow 6.3 secs to 100 in the R???? Not sure about that figure, especially stock, but yeah the guy with the 'kills' is over-rating the sportivo over the moon.

yes 6.3, u own an integra, and u dnt know how fast it is!..

i think it would be fitting if he was comparing his car to a N14 tripple S which is an SR20DE

[barefootbonzai]

a civic vti-r does 15.7 stock down the quarter with a 0-100 in 7.9 secs
and the sportivo does 15.9 with a 0-100 in around the 8.4 mark!
its hard to bealieve that a lil mod like a TRD intake can all of the sudden beat turbos
esp s15's...mate the s15 would absolutely slay the corolla even if the driver was michael schumacher!

i ran an s15 with my Lude(E/H/I) and i reckon the dude had time to light a ciggarette and still beat me!..and i run consistant 15's flat!
as they say, spend 8 gran on an N/A car, u get 1 sec off
spend 8 gran on a turbo car u get 3 secs off.
there is unlimted mods to turbo, N/a has to stop!

to the dude who claims all these victories, please, take ur hand of it!! and i dont mean the gear stick either!

Yesssssss....... some info you read will really tell you what's goin on.....

[CONAN]

For the price of a Civic VTI-R, it very good for what it is.

You cant compare it to a Rolla sportivo, correct me if im wrong, but the sportivos should be going against type Rs, golf gti's, pegueot 206 gti... etc.

but if you wanna put it that way, then hey i feel better nowww!

[civ_sik]

corolla sportivo and civic type r (which we dont get) should be fairly compatible but i think the type r would be quicker...

[Speeder]

yes 6.3, u own an integra, and u dnt know how fast it is!..


Where do you get your theories from?? Yes I do have one, and they are not that quick as you have mentioned, not in stock form anyway.

[Danthuyer]

it seems that the 8.4 sec 0-100 that ppl have been quoting is from motor magazine?

I can assure you its not that slow :( (stock)
and 16.X is also grosley understated.

Now I am not saying it is a rocket ship that out of the box can whoop a Type-R, but please dont make this into a sledging thread like so many other car owners tend to do.

Yes the claims from the TOCAU might seem a bit too far fetched. but for those of you that were there and even participated in these testing runs will be able to tell you how good a match up it is with a modded Sportivo and various hondas. (which they have already in this thread)

Its not a grudge match its just some fun. With the sportivo being such a new car on the market its good to see how it compares with the cult honda cars :D

just please try to be open minded and dont have the blinkers on like some owners ;)

[_CiVIC_]

like i stated before... my brother has a few engine mods, full exhaust system, sussy work and he's running low 15's almost 15 flat.

[SpOOn-FED]

it seems that the 8.4 sec 0-100 that ppl have been quoting is from motor magazine?

I can assure you its not that slow :( (stock)
and 16.X is also grosley understated.

Now I am not saying it is a rocket ship that out of the box can whoop a Type-R, but please dont make this into a sledging thread like so many other car owners tend to do.

Yes the claims from the TOCAU might seem a bit too far fetched. but for those of you that were there and even participated in these testing runs will be able to tell you how good a match up it is with a modded Sportivo and various hondas. (which they have already in this thread)

Its not a grudge match its just some fun. With the sportivo being such a new car on the market its good to see how it compares with the cult honda cars :D

just please try to be open minded and dont have the blinkers on like some owners ;)

yeh too true manz you just gota see it for yourselves in person
even though sportivo'z arnt vtec dont rule them out they are prety gutsy cars
a lil bit too round for my liking but never the less a very nice car
heeps of potential

as for that comment bout the 0-1oo in 8.4 secs does seem a lil slow
maybeh we need to do some more research??......

[_CiVIC_]

absoultely heaps of potential man... the only thing that doesn't tickle my fancy about them is their shape... other than that, the styling is pretty good for a small car, and the motor is really good.

[CONAN]

like i stated before... my brother has a few engine mods, full exhaust system, sussy work and he's running low 15's almost 15 flat.

are we talking about a corolla sportivo here?

[Blew_lude]

Where do you get your theories from?? Yes I do have one, and they are not that quick as you have mentioned, not in stock form anyway.

obviously another crap driver
go do some research! get ur car, go out and practice ur driving if u dnt want ur type r to feel like a turtle!
and wen ur done, wen u know how to slowly feather ur launch at 6,000rpm and shift nice and quick at 8,200 rpm ( so ur revs sit btw 6,800rpm to 7,000rpm when ur gears are in) im sure u'll agree with my facts, which u claim to be theories!
not only will u get a 0-100 time of 6.3 or so ( give or take a tenth) u might even pass for a 14.6-14.7!

for now, ur car is as quik as a sportivo! 15.9!

thanks for ur concern aye??

[aaronng]

yeh too true manz you just gota see it for yourselves in person
even though sportivo'z arnt vtec dont rule them out they are prety gutsy cars
a lil bit too round for my liking but never the less a very nice car
heeps of potential

as for that comment bout the 0-1oo in 8.4 secs does seem a lil slow
maybeh we need to do some more research??......
Actually, the Sportivo's engine (2ZZ-GE) does have an equivalent system to VTEC. It's the first in toyota's engine lineup to both vary the inlet cam timing (ala VTC) and change the valve lift and duration for both intake and exhaust (ala DOHC VTEC).

I did research on the Sportivo before deciding on buying my car. My neighbour bought a Sportivo, and I bought an Euro. But I checked up all the specs, reviews and owner experiences that were available. Let me tell you, I suspect that the 8.4 sec 0-100 is made by letting the revs drop from 8200rpm to 5200rpm when they shift from 1-2. You can shift faster, by not waiting for the revs to drop, just flooring the accelerator and releasing the clutch, chirping the wheels, to get a 7.9 sec 0-100. Of course, the car won't feel the same after that because the gearbox was not made to handle such rough treatment.

The thing is, it cannot compare to a DC2R. A DC2R's B18 internals are lightened, balanced, polished and the heads are moly coated. The DC2R's body is also lightened, with a thinner windscreen and suspension fit for tracking.

The Spotivo on the other hand, is the same Corolla hatch body, with revised dampers (more damping), and leather stuff. That's it! It's made to be a sporty hatch, not a racing coupe. Its engine doesn't receive prepping, so the area under the power curve would be less than an equivalent Type R engine if it had the same 141kW. The body is heavy, above 1200kg. That's why the Sportivo costs $29,990, rather than a Integra Type R's $40,000+ price. It's a car that is mass produced, for the mass public. It is not a hardcore Type R, which is made to order (2 month waiting period, I remember?)

[Blew_lude]

Actually, the Sportivo's engine (2ZZ-GE) does have an equivalent system to VTEC. It's the first in toyota's engine lineup to both vary the inlet cam timing (ala VTC) and change the valve lift and duration for both intake and exhaust (ala DOHC VTEC).

I did research on the Sportivo before deciding on buying my car. My neighbour bought a Sportivo, and I bought an Euro. But I checked up all the specs, reviews and owner experiences that were available. Let me tell you, I suspect that the 8.4 sec 0-100 is made by letting the revs drop from 8200rpm to 5200rpm when they shift from 1-2. You can shift faster, by not waiting for the revs to drop, just flooring the accelerator and releasing the clutch, chirping the wheels, to get a 7.9 sec 0-100. Of course, the car won't feel the same after that because the gearbox was not made to handle such rough treatment.

The thing is, it cannot compare to a DC2R. A DC2R's B18 internals are lightened, balanced, polished and the heads are moly coated. The DC2R's body is also lightened, with a thinner windscreen and suspension fit for tracking.

The Spotivo on the other hand, is the same Corolla hatch body, with revised dampers (more damping), and leather stuff. That's it! It's made to be a sporty hatch, not a racing coupe. Its engine doesn't receive prepping, so the area under the power curve would be less than an equivalent Type R engine if it had the same 141kW. The body is heavy, above 1200kg. That's why the Sportivo costs $29,990, rather than a Integra Type R's $40,000+ price. It's a car that is mass produced, for the mass public. It is not a hardcore Type R, which is made to order (2 month waiting period, I remember?)

chirping the wheels doesnt necessarily mean the car goes faster!
but ur right about the revs!! thats for sure!

[wynode]

but ur right about the revs!! thats for sure!

That's why I mentioned that gearing is VERY important with these peaky engines and a poor gearing choice for the corolla engine is one of its major downfalls as it falls out of its power band on up shifts (this is what i've been told by a couple of Sportivo owners).

[aaronng]

chirping the wheels doesnt necessarily mean the car goes faster!
but ur right about the revs!! thats for sure!
Yup, but without waiting for the revs to drop, the wheels will definitely chirp. I reckon waiting for the revs to drop from 8200 to 5200 takes about 0.5 seconds? Maybe even more!

[ATSEK4]

damn, this thread is a blardy waste of my brain power...

anyways, here's my thoughts. sportivo vs vtir? who gives a damn. y compare a 2L 6 gear car wif a 3yr older 1.6 5 gear car?? are u planning to buy one to race other ppl? these debates will go no where ppls...

i haven't driven a sportivo, but looking at specs and hearing ppls OPINIONS, i would think the two are close... isn't the sportivo a heavy fat arse?

against dc2r, dc5r, ek9... i wouldn't think it would beat them in a straight line... i'm pretty sure my car does low 15's... maybe 15 flat. but then this is the PERFECT drag, perfect take off, gear changing, etc... so in real life it probably doesn't mean jack. i've tried in my car, found that launching at 5-6k rpm is ideal... would u do that on the street? i wouldn't... it all depends on the driver in the end. around the track, blah wont even go there...

but a sportivo take on sum turbo nissans wif fmic,etc? LOL... yer rite. just off the line they'd say bye bye wif all their torque and rwd. i highly doubt the sportivo would have the power and acceleration just to catch up...

Corolla is 1.8L. nth wrong with driver skills at all. did rolling start with 1st gear. did a few times. got the sportivo on 1st 2nd and 3rd. it caught up on 4th. beat me half a car at around 600m. did it 4 times all the same. 0-400 pretty much the same i would say. it also beat a stock dc2r and dc5r. dc2r one car length and dc5r was like 2 car length behind at 600m. Talk is nth. go test it. test on street is not accurate tho. Again it was rolling start with 1st gear. no skills at all. dun know anything about other car tho. and by the way i dun even know that guy talking about it in the first place. i dun think he was there. Just heard from someone and talk.

It just drag man.. dun tell me honda is good on drag? DC2R got LSD + recaro, Sportivo got no lsd and leather seat. anyway dun look down on sportivo.

[spoondc2]

Corolla is 1.8L. nth wrong with driver skills at all. did rolling start with 1st gear. did a few times. got the sportivo on 1st 2nd and 3rd. it caught up on 4th. beat me half a car at around 600m. did it 4 times all the same. 0-400 pretty much the same i would say. it also beat a stock dc2r and dc5r. dc2r one car length and dc5r was like 2 car length behind at 600m. Talk is nth. go test it. test on street is not accurate tho. Again it was rolling start with 1st gear. no skills at all. dun know anything about other car tho. and by the way i dun even know that guy talking about it in the first place. i dun think he was there. Just heard from someone and talk.

It just drag man.. dun tell me honda is good on drag? DC2R got LSD + recaro, Sportivo got no lsd and leather seat. anyway dun look down on sportivo.

Yeah the sportivo are so popular man....... ran out of stock already hehe....

[civiceg9]

I know the Celica with have the same engine minus 2 doors is no match for the DC2R, this has been tested and soon many times on Best Motoring and Hot Version. The gearing has been complain even in Japan as it drops out of the VVTL range on each shift. Apart from that is a good car, I think is a bloody bargain for $29k.

[sivic]

not sure if mentioned but the 141kw claimed by toyota was actually achieved without auxileries ie; water pump, power steering etc. basically engine by itself on engine dyno. a statement was released by toyota regarding this on request of consumer affairs.
B18C7 however achieved 141kw in real world running conditions - as you get it in the car. it also achieves more power and torque in the mid range.
but yeah, the main gripe of the rolla seems to be the tall gears which are poorly matched to a very peaky engine. but for $30k its not a bad buy..... except you can get a very well kept DC2R for less than that:D

anyway, hasnt this topic been flogged to death in another thread about a year ago?

[SpOOn-FED]

Corolla is 1.8L. nth wrong with driver skills at all. did rolling start with 1st gear. did a few times. got the sportivo on 1st 2nd and 3rd. it caught up on 4th. beat me half a car at around 600m. did it 4 times all the same. 0-400 pretty much the same i would say. it also beat a stock dc2r and dc5r. dc2r one car length and dc5r was like 2 car length behind at 600m. Talk is nth. go test it. test on street is not accurate tho. Again it was rolling start with 1st gear. no skills at all. dun know anything about other car tho. and by the way i dun even know that guy talking about it in the first place. i dun think he was there. Just heard from someone and talk.

It just drag man.. dun tell me honda is good on drag? DC2R got LSD + recaro, Sportivo got no lsd and leather seat. anyway dun look down on sportivo.


man does people in d ITR'z mustv been shet drivers two car lengths on a dc5???
no way its possible if the person isnt realy use to the car yet or just doesnt know how to drive properly....1 car length more believeable but manz 2 car lengths no way shouldnt happen.......
as for the dc2 sounds a little more accurate but still seems unbelievable by a tad .....i think the driver of that car wasnt that good also it should have been at most half a car length lost if the driver of the DC2 was an exeptional driver no way i say loook for another one and try your luck agens...
or even better go to the creek and run him and look at your ET and the other drivers ET....

[ATSEK4]

man does people in d ITR'z mustv been shet drivers two car lengths on a dc5???
no way its possible if the person isnt realy use to the car yet or just doesnt know how to drive properly....1 car length more believeable but manz 2 car lengths no way shouldnt happen.......
as for the dc2 sounds a little more accurate but still seems unbelievable by a tad .....i think the driver of that car wasnt that good also it should have been at most half a car length lost if the driver of the DC2 was an exeptional driver no way i say loook for another one and try your luck agens...
or even better go to the creek and run him and look at your ET and the other drivers ET....

If you are expecting the Dc2r and Dc5r driver can shift every single gear in 0.002 sec. i got nth to say.. We have done too much testing. and we are not a small group. and it was tested by rolling start. my vtec point is at 6100 rpm. my vtec was on everytime i shifted.. maybe it is still too slow for what you expected.. but anyway turst me sportivo is a quick car. (4th gear)

[ATSEK4]

Yeah the sportivo are so popular man....... ran out of stock already hehe....

yeah, Comfort and power ! should organise a track day for sportivo and dc2R and dc5r. wanna see how they go. :D

[ATSEK4]

I know the Celica with have the same engine minus 2 doors is no match for the DC2R, this has been tested and soon many times on Best Motoring and Hot Version. The gearing has been complain even in Japan as it drops out of the VVTL range on each shift. Apart from that is a good car, I think is a bloody bargain for $29k.

yeah .. they got the same engine.. my friend intake exhaust ek4 raced a celica b4, both with 2 people in car, 1st and 2nd pretty much the same, 3rd ek4 kill that celica all the way. dun know y the heavier sportivo can beat a ek4 by that much !

[ATSEK4]

We will test it again with stop start. maybe sportivo are benefit on rolling start haha.

a friend Civic Vtir intake exhuast + unichip, beat fully stock sportivo a car length with stop start in 600m. same road same day. maybe a TRD intake gives you 50kw atw. :)

[spoondc2]

yeah, Comfort and power ! should organise a track day for sportivo and dc2R and dc5r. wanna see how they go. :D

Good luck, not much honda's like to go on track these days :thumbsup:

[ATSEK4]

Good luck, not much honda's like to go on track these days :thumbsup:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ man.

[spoondc2]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ man.

Don't think so at all..... but anyway..... not that important

[SpOOn-FED]

Good luck, not much honda's like to go on track these days :thumbsup:

i beg to differ my frend allot hondas do but u just got to know who to ask and where to look........

[Speeder]

obviously another crap driver
go do some research! get ur car, go out and practice ur driving if u dnt want ur type r to feel like a turtle!
and wen ur done, wen u know how to slowly feather ur launch at 6,000rpm and shift nice and quick at 8,200 rpm ( so ur revs sit btw 6,800rpm to 7,000rpm when ur gears are in) im sure u'll agree with my facts, which u claim to be theories!
not only will u get a 0-100 time of 6.3 or so ( give or take a tenth) u might even pass for a 14.6-14.7!

for now, ur car is as quik as a sportivo! 15.9!

thanks for ur concern aye??

Excuse me, who are you to comment on my driving??? To be honest 1/4 mile don't mean shit to me, I didnt buy the R for 1/4 braggins but I know somebody who does:rolleyes: . I have been driving turbo cars in the past, hence why the type R feels slower......which they are. You like to type hey, but I guess thats what you do best, its the internet. Besides I have never doubted that the R could achive those times, all I intended to say was I have never seen it done in front of my eyes....and that I have never taken the R to legal drag etc. Replying to you last quote, no problems, now get a life aye!! :thumbsup:

[_CiVIC_]

are we talking about a corolla sportivo here?


we sure are :)

[CTR Coupe]

Everything that’s been said that needed to be said and this thread is now going nowhere.

If you want to continue this debate or organise a test day please keep it to PM.

Thanks

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