Jazzers! are you satisfy with your brakes? why UKers got rear discs?we have drums!

[jamchen]

http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/newcars/specification.jsp?yearId=2005&modelId=10408&bodyId=10729&bodyDescription=5%20door&engineId=&badgeId=&transmissionId=&colourId=&colourAllocationId=&wheelPartNo=&optionType=equip


why Oz spec Jazzs have drums but UK spec have discs? because they don't have the 15 vtec? but that isn't a nice answer! :thumbdwn:
they even have EBD as standard!

[spoon fit]

3 words .... honda australia suck
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[ahcash]

3 words .... honda australia suck


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AGREED !!!

We always get the crap...

[loo]

Since we are all in Australia, we have no choice :(
I really want to be a Japanese :D

[|N|]

Since we are all in Australia, we have no choice :(
I really want to be a Japanese :D

wat if u r a jap that lives in aust... u get PWNED even harder

[lovesil]

i suppose it's because UK always have those wet and slippy condition which therefore needs better brakes than Oz condition! Consider that Oz's Jazz isn't exactly in the cheap range for a small car and yet they didn't have rear disc brake! That just sucks!

[Andys]

Sorry, I'm gonna have to disagree here.

Firstly, the UK doesn't even get the 1.5L VTEC model. If its a choice between that or rear discs, I know which I'd prefer. I'm sure the 1.2L/1.3L/1.4L versions make fine little cars, but there's not much chance I would have bought a Jazz at all if that was all we got here.

Secondly, apart from the looks, what is wrong with the rear drums? The stopping power of the jazz is great compared to other cars, there is still enough power to lock up the rears with the handbrake, and in the rain I still get enough rear braking power to have ABS kick in. I've tested it on the track (Wakefield) as well in reaching this conclusion.

The front brakes do the bulk of the stopping power in the jazz because of the weight transfer when you hit them hard, plus most of the car's weight is already towards the front of the car.

IMO the only reasons you'd want rear discs is if (a) you lowered your car and stiffen the springs and don't get as much weight transfer, or (b) you want the rear to look more impressive because your rims have great big space around them.

- Andrew

[ahcash]

Hmm... only if you hit it hard??? Don't often hit it hard for normal city driving.. When normal braking for a traffic lights or junction, sometimes feel like the car doesn't want to stop... I am not sure if the rear-disc brake is going to help in this case... thumbsup:

[Andys]

Hmm... only if you hit it hard??? Don't often hit it hard for normal city driving.. When normal braking for a traffic lights or junction, sometimes feel like the car doesn't want to stop... I am not sure if the rear-disc brake is going to help in this case... thumbsup:

I know what you mean, sometimes it is not a linear feel and you have to press fairly hard to get a reasonable stopping distance. I don't think rear discs would help there but perhaps it is an issue of adjustment for the pedal travel. But if you slam the brakes on at 100km/h or faster, I think the jazz shaves off speed pretty well!

- Andrew

[Tony]

I agree with Andys. Drum brakes are not as bad as you might think. The only problem with the stock drum brake design is the drum shoe material is not design to work at high temperature. Just swap the drum shoes with aftermarket high temperature replacements and you'll be fine.

Spoon uses drum brakes for their endurance race car, they have special heat sinks made for the brake enclosure and their car can race 24 hours non-stop.

[Tony]

Also, most of the braking is done by the front brakes anyway. Rear brakes are there to balance the car.

[TypeG]

Also, most of the braking is done by the front brakes anyway. Rear brakes are there to balance the car.
important for a wel balance car
sometimes when i do a normal brake, my things and my gf dools drop on the mat which is kind of annoying.

[ahcash]

important for a wel balance car
sometimes when i do a normal brake, my things and my gf dools drop on the mat which is kind of annoying.

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ROFL.

You brake too hard..or too much junk in your car... G!!!!

[Tony]

important for a wel balance car
sometimes when i do a normal brake, my things and my gf dools drop on the mat which is kind of annoying.

btw.. how's the Falken Slicks? I can see u braking and cornering alot harder with those tyres and much wider rims :p

[TypeG]

they are good and noisy
but the thing concern me is the tyres hitting sth when full lock
need to look into it after my exam

[08ESE]

discs would be nice, but I dont need em?

my jazz has wonderful brakes!

[spoon fit]

discs would be nice, but I dont need em?

my jazz has wonderful brakes!

what?

[TypeG]

Aus jazzs never have wonder brake at all

[asiansquad]

audm cars are always crappier :(

[MRFIT]

i'm quite happy with the brakes in jazz...... I think most people wants the disc brakes just for the looks...... :D

[jamchen]

but just one small question~
how does the ABS engages in drums rather than discs? isn't ABS in role to precent lock-ups? i know roughly how it is engages with discs but how does ABS work in drums? :confused:

[Andys]

but just one small question~
how does the ABS engages in drums rather than discs? isn't ABS in role to precent lock-ups? i know roughly how it is engages with discs but how does ABS work in drums? :confused:

Its no different, same principle in both cases. The ABS controller modulates the pressure in the brake line to alternate between braking and not braking quickly. With disc brakes the pads move and rub against the spinning rotor. With drum brakes the shoes move out and rub against the inside of the spinning drum.

- Andrew

[FB008]

oh well. at least we get vtec... only good thing going for us...

[devil]

if im not mistaken, actually drums on the rear are better for city biased cars. on lower speeds, disc or drums on the rear makes not much differences. only during high speed braking does the rear disc have the advantage over drums b'coz the discs dissipate heat better....high speed braking produces massive amounts of heat to the brakes...once the brakes get over-cooked they loose their braking power (brake fade).
in fact, i read somewhere that during average city driving (short distances & stop-start situations), the rear drums work better as they reach optimum operating temperatures faster.

just my 2 cents.... :D