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94integragsi
14-06-2005, 10:25 AM
hey guys can ou tell me if this artical was full of shit or what,

untill i came on this website i though hondas went hard as on low boost, but now im seing only 130kw on 9psi ( keep in mind i mean a bolt on kit, no internals)

when i looked at overboost .com,
this dude put a integra drag turbo install, eg no internals and ran 6psi and his yno figures are statign 250hp, with a 13.6 quarter mile, all on 6 psi

have a read and tell me what u think

http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=57

pornstar
14-06-2005, 04:53 PM
All I can tell you is that american HP is always alot higher than AUS hp.

joonix
14-06-2005, 05:29 PM
Do you have the same turbo kit?

Consider the following:

Head Work
Better fuel system (injectors, pump, hoses)
Better Ignition system
Different cam profile
Better tuning (or tuned to make peak power, not for drivabillity)
Better fuel
They use a custom dump pipe?
Difference in Dynos (shoot out mode? different make/model?)
Different intake system (cooler charge?)
Different environmental conditions (cooler environment?)

ProECU
14-06-2005, 06:58 PM
250whp is VERY possible on 6psi.

I make that at 4.5psi on a b16

Weq
14-06-2005, 07:06 PM
130kw is a little low for the b18, but u gotta consider dyno's will always read different, espically US dyno's. take it to the track i spose, see how ur 1/4 goes.

WPN.22R
14-06-2005, 10:12 PM
my lude made 150kw atw on 10 psi and didnt rev it past 5k rpm! if that helps?

pornstar
14-06-2005, 11:24 PM
its not what power it reads, its all about ur percentage gain...

I mean, my civic made 376kws on a certain dyno, and pretty much similar conditions, i got 343 on another dyno on the same amount of boost and settings.

It really doesnt mean much though, cos the dyno that it was baselined at is the dyno you want to compare to as they should remain calibrated the same as when you were stock.

GSI-PSI
15-06-2005, 02:46 AM
hey guys can ou tell me if this artical was full of shit or what,

untill i came on this website i though hondas went hard as on low boost, but now im seing only 130kw on 9psi ( keep in mind i mean a bolt on kit, no internals)

when i looked at overboost .com,
this dude put a integra drag turbo install, eg no internals and ran 6psi and his yno figures are statign 250hp, with a 13.6 quarter mile, all on 6 psi

have a read and tell me what u think

http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=57

Basically 250hp is exactly 186.43kw. my integra gsi had 128.7kw which makes the figure 172.59hp. My car was running 6psi at the time as well. Difference here is that this guy is using a t3/t4 whereas i am only using a t28 turbo. Also he has an auxiliary fuel pump. Im using the standard fuel pump. So far looking at the comparasin, these figures could definately be true. Now he claims to have approx 250hp @ 6500 rpm where my 172hp/128.7kw was read at 5999rpm. His run was 13.28 @ 104.9mph where mine was 14.2 @ 101mph. That should give a rough comparasin to this topic.

It is definately true that dyno charts dont read consistantly across the board as everyone has different ways to tune a car. And figures dont mean much as i had my car re tuned on 9psi only gaining approx 3kw more. (131.4kw) But jesus the difference was soooo noticable. The car went so much better. Anyway basically im assuming that this can be possible but the only thing i'd question is that clutch. He was using a standard clutch as i was. These are hopeless in a turbocharged teg. Unless mine was older and more worn than his, every second run of mine was stuffed due to the clutch slipping.

GSI-PSI
15-06-2005, 02:51 AM
Oh another thing is that i was running in 28degree weather. Also it doesnt mention if he was running with standard street rubber like i was.

saxman
15-06-2005, 02:36 PM
I'd believe it... run 6 psi of boost with absolutely no ignition retard and you'll make lots of power


and blow your engine in short order... but you'll make lots of power for a while


that's also a quite larger turbo, so it doesn't surprise me that much.

Although I wouldn't trust anyone that installs a block guard in that manner... way to really mess up a block

CHU85
15-06-2005, 06:12 PM
most of the setups in australia that are similar to urs are pretty much putting out the same sought of power.
If i were to follow the guides to the usa then i should have from 500-600hp atw's.
But i don't, and 400hp is enough in anyones terms i guess.
pornstar: how the hell do u make 370+kw's on a b series motor?

alan
16-06-2005, 01:35 AM
pornstar: how the hell do u make 370+kw's on a b series motor?

with a lot of boost obviously...:D

pornstar
16-06-2005, 06:13 AM
Charles, its not hard to do, the technology is out there and readily available :)

Talk in private bud, i've been keen to know how ur Autronic install and tune went buddy

poweredbyhonda
16-06-2005, 02:38 PM
Al those articles are crap.
You have to see it to beleive it. I only got around 127 @ wheels on 9psi on stock injectors and stock fuel pump.
Since changing the injectors, fuel pump & full tune I got 170 on 14 psi.
Work that out.

CHU85
16-06-2005, 03:23 PM
its not that the articles are crap, its just that the factors relating the cars are different to us here in Australia.
Cos if u read up on most setups u'll see that the power figures are pretty close.
But in saying that, USA cars are making shit loads more power but they have the times to prove it. Wat gives? ( i know that altitudes have abit to do with the tracks they use)

pornstar
17-06-2005, 02:32 AM
Charles, its because they mainly use Dynojet Dynos which are scarce as hens teeth down here in Australia. They are poor dynos, they strap a car down on top of a huge huge huge heavy roller, the software then detects the time it takes for the car to spin that lump of cement.

In Australia, the abundant dyno is the Eddie brake dyno, usually dyno dynamics dynos. You will find that after an average mulitplier of 15+% to our sums will usually equal to what they have.

Its not really crap in the strict sense, its just that those dynos read higher than our type of dynos, but it just re-enforces the point, its not how much power you have at the wheels of a dyno, its the 1320 dyno we care about :)

rev-tech
02-07-2005, 06:24 PM
dyno figures are uesless really unless you want bragging rights! a dyno should be used for tuning

i know a guy who got his car tuned on one dyno...registered 300kw@wheels, drove straight to another shop and got dyno'd again and registered 250kw@wheels. same day different shop.

on road performance is what it's all about! :D thats what a dyno's good for, checking the power/torque curve, seeing if there's any flat spots etc etc

94integragsi
11-07-2005, 11:11 PM
well afta carfull consideration ive decided to dump the integra which is for sale for 11 grand, i do not thnk its smart spend about 6grand to turbo chrge my car when i can buy sumthing different that come factory turbo and get much more power with my 6 grand, plus im over fwd, i do not knock what any of u guys have done but ive seen much better results out of different car, if it as a perfect world, i would keep the honda, piss the honda motor off, s20det and a 4wd set up, but its not, so i guess ill have to leave the honda to be naturaly aspiated and slow, lol hondas got style, but to costly to extract power....