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wynode
19-06-2005, 11:33 PM
Given so many people have problems with their gearboxes/clutches I though i'd write this up. Shoot a reply if I have missed something.

When changing gears, there is a 'crunch' / 'catching' noise for some gears only
This is most likely due to synchro wear as the synchros are failing to bring the input shaft and output shaft to the same speed so the gears can engage. If the problem isn't too serious or only happens at high RPM when shifting up/down a gear, you could either try changing your transmission fluid or trying a thinnger grade oil. Note however that this is just a temporary fix. You can reduce the effect of this by rev matching while changing gears.

When changing gears, ALL my gears 'crunch' / 'catch'
This could be due to a coupe of different factors so lets look at the more simple reasons.
1. Check your clutch fluid (or cable) and make sure it is operating properly. A clutch that isn't disengaginig properly can cause problems while shifting. Try a fluid change or tighten your clutch cable.
2. Check all your engine mounts as a moving tranny could cause problems when shifting.
3. Check your slave cylinder mount on the transmission and the master cylinder for any leaks/worn seals.

There is a whining / whirring noise when driving (gets louder as I accerate) but goes away when I put the clutch in (disengage it).
This tends to point to a worn input shaft bearing (ISB) or other bearing within the gearbox. The ISB is the most common to fail. The best way to diagnose this is to let the car idle and listen for the noise. Then put the clutch pedal in (disengage the clutch) and you will probably notice that the noise will die out. A very slight noise is OK however if it is very loud and noticable you will want to change your bearing(s) before they fail.

I get a whining / whirring noise when I put the clutch pedal in (disengage the clutch)
If you get a similar noise to the above when you disengage the clutch and have your foot on the clutch pedal, this is most likely your thrust bearing (aka throwout bearing) which is worn and needs replacing. this isn't as expensive as changing the ISB because the thrust bearing is actually outside the gearbox.

There is a squeaking or similar noise WHILE i'm operating the clutch pedal only
This shouldn't be too serious and is most likely due to a lack of lubrication where the slave cylinder piston meets the release fork OR poor lubrication of the release fork/thrust bearing. You might be able to spray some grease by removing the slave cylinder dust cover as a temporary fix.
For cable transmissions, it is the same as above but also check the clutch cable to see if it is rubbing on anything.

The clutch only seems to engage right at the top (Ie only bites right at the end before I take my foot of the clutch)
Generally, as a clutch wears out you will notice this happening as the material on the clutch disk wears. If your clutch is new/resonably new however, try giving your clutch fluid a flush and also check your slave cylinder mount to make sure it is fastened in the correct position.

My clutch fluid level has dropped but I can't see any fluid leaking?
Inspect the slave cylinder area on the transmission and check for any leaks in the engine bay. Also have a look at the slave cylinder from the cabin side. Put your head under the steering column and have a look against the firewall/carpet where the clutch pedal activates the master cylinder. If there is a leak you may have to replace your master cylinder seals (or buy a new master cylinder).

PhatSol
20-06-2005, 11:31 AM
If there is a leak you will have to recondition your master cylinder.

Great write up! Just wanted to say, the genuine master cylinder is only around $70 from the dealer. So don't bother with reconditioning it,just replace it if it's leaking :)

Nuttz
20-06-2005, 01:41 PM
very good info there wynode!

buneyha
17-09-2005, 03:34 PM
There's sometime when the clutch is nearly worn I think!
it tents to ingages at the wrong point (ie it sometimes ingages too early)
my clutch ingages about half way, but because of this I stall my car heaps of time!.

anyway I heard you can just tighten the clutch cable and the problem should be gone

**Ghost**
17-09-2005, 03:38 PM
how much are the input shaft/bearings generally?

exquisit
17-09-2005, 04:06 PM
great info
thanks!!

wynode
17-09-2005, 09:39 PM
how much are the input shaft/bearings generally?
The bearing itself is around $40-50 from memory......the $$$ part is the labour :)

spothe
18-10-2005, 08:27 AM
Hey my gearbox has the whirring noise only on 3rd and 4th gear when i engage it too early (when i dont give it enough revs before upping the gear), before it make the noise when idle but charlie changed bearings for me, it only happens in 3rd and 4th now, is it serious???

what to do what to do?

wynode
18-10-2005, 05:26 PM
So only in 3rd and 4th? You're sure its not the other gears?

spothe
18-10-2005, 06:04 PM
yes no other gears

and only happens when i change gears too early, the sound can definitely be heard

it kinda dies out when it reaches 3000 revs but then i think i cant hear it cuz the rev sound covers it

AsH_
15-10-2007, 12:34 AM
b u m p

hondaEK4
06-04-2010, 02:54 PM
i only get a whining sound if its in gear and in motion not if it is at idle.

wynode
08-04-2010, 11:51 AM
Does the sound increase with RPM? Also does it go away when you engage the clutch (press the clutch pedal in) ?

hondaEK4
08-04-2010, 12:39 PM
Does the sound increase with RPM? Also does it go away when you engage the clutch (press the clutch pedal in) ?

Yes it does go away as i disengage the clutch. in 1st gear it starts whining in the low rpm and gets louder, also when in other gears when i down shift lets say from 4th to 3rd and 3rd to 2nd. and the sound is now getting louder.

wynode
08-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Ta. Have a read of the first post and tell me what you think it is :)

hondaEK4
08-04-2010, 02:40 PM
Yeh thanks, its the ISB in the first post what does it mean if you can hear it in idle? mine doesn't

jim57a
13-04-2010, 12:01 AM
just a note, you can get a new bearing from CBC Australia.
recently got mine from there. 1 for $16, 2 for $19. go figure

trentd
13-04-2010, 02:33 PM
get a new one

munkaii
26-11-2010, 10:08 AM
Sorry to bump thread a long way, but its relevant so i'll post here. I own a DC5R with 77000 on the clock and I heard that DC5R clutches tend to let go around the 80k mark. I also have a noisy bearing in the gearbox (ISB i believe as it disappears when i disengage clutch). Was wondering if it's still ok to track it and not need to worry about the bearing fail? Or should I get new bearings asap? Might as well replace the clutch then as well.

Benson
26-11-2010, 10:59 AM
Replace the ISB asap. If you leave it any longer, the whole bearing can fail and casue major damage to other components in the gearbox.

munkaii
26-11-2010, 12:35 PM
How about for normal street use benny where these less stress on the gearset and bearings? Have read on about how some mechanics say ISB noise isn't too much of a problem and is still driveable with, since opening up the box isn't cheap labour.

hondaEK4
26-11-2010, 01:02 PM
How about for normal street use benny where these less stress on the gearset and bearings? Have read on about how some mechanics say ISB noise isn't too much of a problem and is still driveable with, since opening up the box isn't cheap labour.

i've asked about this 6months ago, haven't fixed the problem still runs fine after 6months maybe a bit noisier.

wynode
06-12-2010, 07:58 AM
i've asked about this 6months ago, haven't fixed the problem still runs fine after 6months maybe a bit noisier.

It's never a problem till it fails :)

If it's got noisier it means it's getting worse. A failed ISB isn't like say a flat tyre that you can just fix up after the incident. A failed ISB has the potential to litter the inside of the gearbox with its fragments. Consequently causing further damage to the rest of the box.

If the noise is getting worse and you haven't got any plans to fix it, expect your damage bill to be higher when it does fail.