supercharging wat to expect??

[locote]

wat sorta power would i expect from supercharging a b18b??

[kousoku]

prob negative gains. =P
lol
i would say, depending ....maybe 25% power inrease.
turbo maybe 50%

[VTECACCORD]

Well ud probably blow some type R's away, but once u have made it a couple of car lenghts ahead you will hear a distinctive loud sound

That will be the sound of your motor blowing up cause most tuners in Aus suck ass.

Seriously if done properly, depending on the levels of boost you can expect anywhere from 50 - 100 hp increase, but if you add more power, you gotta upgrade a lot more stuff in your engine

[locote]

so 300fwhp with forged internalls isnt posoble??

wat s/c is better roots (jackson racing) or cent (vortech)

[integraz]

300fwhp will be possible with alot of money involved, anything is possible.
but if u want alot of HP made..look at turbocharging rather than superchargers.
+50whp is made froma supercharged kit by jackson or vortech.

which is better s/c?
well JR will have instant response
will have a little lag... not as much as turbo but some lag due to its centirfugal design rather than root style.

[locote]

how much does a gsi weigh 96 model wich has no abs??
would 200fwhp get me low 13s at drag strip

[locote]

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[GSI-PSI]

how much does a gsi weigh 96 model wich has no abs??
would 200fwhp get me low 13s at drag strip


If im not mistaken your car weighs around the 1150kg mark and i seriously doubt u will get low 13's ronning 200fwhp/149.14fwkw. That power at the wheels may be a different story tho.

[locote]

how much power you got when you did your last run???

[locote]

What time should i expect as my car is atm, k&n replacement pod in oem air box

[GSI-PSI]

i had 128kw at the wheels on 6psi when i ran last and i only got low 14's

[GSI-PSI]

What time should i expect as my car is atm, k&n replacement pod in oem air box


Prob a high 16 - 17

[locote]

dam high 16s:(

thats shit ill be hell embarassed.

last time i went there i was getting low 13s.

my mates calibra will shew me out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[GSI-PSI]

yer but what car and wat mods did u have when u went there last?

[locote]

200sx 280rwhp. 1260kg
teg prob 115frhp. 1110kg
i got a 13.8 with 170rwhp in the nissan

[Felix]

What time should i expect as my car is atm, k&n replacement pod in oem air box


About 20sec, if that...

[Felix]

What time should i expect as my car is atm, k&n replacement pod in oem air box


What a question...
Well a replacement pod will probably give you an extra 1kw from stock.
Minus the fact that ya engine has done a few KMs and is probably flogged out.
so
107(stock kw) + 1kw(pod filter) - 3kw(wear and tear) = 105kw(at the engine)
= shoulda got a vtir or Type R

lol

[tegraa]

a stock non vtech integra will run low 16s, to high 15s

[Felix]

200sx 280rwhp. 1260kg
teg prob 115frhp. 1110kg
i got a 13.8 with 170rwhp in the nissan


200sx = turbo
GSI Teg = Non turbo, non vtec.

[locote]

Felix i took a vtir for a spin when i was looking for a car, vtec is f all in a vtir,
ill take a turbo gsi over a vtir any day of the year. You know why 1. vtir is more expencive, 2. insurance is like 300 buks more a year, 3. vtec cams arent desinged for turbo id have to spend 3gs on changing the things, 4. vtir weighs like 100kg more. and typeR is way to over priced!!!! so laugh all you want and when i post my turbo times well c who owns the faster car:)

[sharky]

i got 16.2 with cat back and pod filter but that was because of a damn good launch off the line.

[locote]

wat size exhaust u got man, wat pod?? did u have it in the oem box all closed up or open

[locote]

Felix knows everything hey

[_CiVIC_]

nah its just you don't know much ;) Don't speculate so much, the best thing for you to do is to research yourself about this, then make a decision, go through with it, then come back and tell us what you did and what time you acheived :wave:

[sharky]

2.25in piping to xforce cannon muffler, the pod is a K&N with out the box. I now have xforce headers and extreme HD clutch and chrome lightened fly - dont know what it'll do now but it has to be better than 16 maybe mid 15's?

[locote]

thats what ill be doing then

[locote]

I know of some1 with a sss pulsar N/A with full exhaust intake and LSD that got a 15.08 at drags with just those mods, surely a integra can achieve that??????

[Felix]

Felix i took a vtir for a spin when i was looking for a car, vtec is f all in a vtir,
ill take a turbo gsi over a vtir any day of the year. You know why 1. vtir is more expencive, 2. insurance is like 300 buks more a year, 3. vtec cams arent desinged for turbo id have to spend 3gs on changing the things, 4. vtir weighs like 100kg more. and typeR is way to over priced!!!! so laugh all you want and when i post my turbo times well c who owns the faster car:)

ok. but i myself still rather have Vtec instead of having a turbo. I just love the look on them 5l VL, turbo silvia and 180sx drivers when they get beatten by a NA 1.8l. And i didnt want to spend the extra cash on a turbo. Also on the matter of Insurance, once ya turbo ya GSI i believe the insurance would be alot more then a vtir. and from the insurance quotes i got it was $128 diference between 1998 VtiR and 1998 GSI (quoted by Just Car Insurance, way cheaper then NRMA). I also dont want the troubles / unreliability of having a turbo on a car that wasnt ment to have a turbo.
I'd just like to add that about 2 weeks ago there was some guy next to me at the lights in a turbo GSI teg revving the **** outta it. Lights went green, we were neck and neck till about 60kmh then i led all the way to about 130kmh when i thourght i should slow done as it was an 80zone. He past me after i hit the brakes. At the next set of lights his passenger was hanging out the window yelling out "hahahaha we owned you". So i just gunned it again and left him behind again.. I wonder if this person is on these forums? it was a thursday night near Broadmeadow, Newcastle. I'm not saying that i'll beat all GSI turbos, his was probly just shite, and or not tuned properly.


PS i dont know everything and i'm not laughing "cause i got the faster car". There is plenty of people on here who have faster cars then me.

[locote]

i used to love the look on just about every car that tried to race me and got thrashed when i had my nissan.
there is nothing unrliable bout turboing a N/A engine if done correctly, and tunning means alot!!
the person that tuned my nissan and my mates turbo pulsar will be tunning my.
if my mate can get 320fwhp out of a sr20 im sure theres similar gains on a b18b. i may not know alot bout vtec but i sure do bout turbos, ive driven 1 for the past 6 years,
ill be turboin in 3 months, till then im just fitting a set of itr extractors air intake and maybe put a straight thru muffler in back, c wat the best time i can get it at drags then turbo once i can afford a full rebuild with low comp forged pistons im looking at arias pistons atm,bigger jectors pump, ecu, and lsd

[Felix]

fair enough.
Myself, if i wanted a turbo car i would by a nissan or wrx that is factory turbo. I couldn't justify spending $8k (or what ever it costs) ontop of my $16k car to add turbo/internals/tuning etc. When i could by a nice 200sx / wrx/ skyline allready very quick. Let alone the fact that it will still be front wheel drive.
From what i've heard alot of people are haveing troubles with their turbo GSI's.
Anyways mate good luck to ya with the turbo, let us know how it all goes.

[locote]

theres a few turbo integras here in perth. havent hear of anything goin mayorly wrong, just your basic maitenance from everyday thrashing

[vanxpress]

i ran flat 13 with j racing s.charge dc2r on street tyres at calder

[saxman]

wat s/c is better roots (jackson racing) or cent (vortech)

um... neither?


jrsc suffers from horribly low adiabatic efficiency(means that in the compression process, a lot of energy is converted to heat instead of used for compressing the air) and are VERY difficult to intercool. High IAT's due to porr adiabatic efficiency and no intercooler is a reciped for disaster. You're very limited by what can be done here. This makes them suitable for a stock motor at lower boost settings. Unfortunately, to really make any kind of decent numbers, higher boost levels are needed, which is really not safe to be doing due to the rediculously high IAT's that come when you step the boost up on the jrsc units.

The centrifugal chargers suffer from all the negatives of a turbo, without any of the gains. By definition, you have FAR more lag with a centrifugal charger than you do with a turbo. They have better adiabatic efficiency than a roots blower, and can be intercooled much easier, but still just don't perform.

Either way, you looking at a lot of effort to make not that impressive of hp gains and pathetic torque gains for a forced induction set up.

[GARF]

Dam where was i on that thur nite. Not in Broadmeadow obviously. Was it near Energy Aus stadium, cause isn't there speed camaras along there. May have to ventager out there to watch these random encounters. Don't be afraid to wave to me if ya see me out there.

[Felix]

ill be turboin in 3 months, till then im just fitting a set of itr extractors air intake and maybe put a straight thru muffler in back, c wat the best time i can get it at drags then turbo once i can afford a full rebuild with low comp forged pistons im looking at arias pistons atm,bigger jectors pump, ecu, and lsd


So Locote. Nearly 2yrs later, how did the turbo go??

[Encor3]

Felix i took a vtir for a spin when i was looking for a car, vtec is f all in a vtir,
ill take a turbo gsi over a vtir any day of the year. You know why 1. vtir is more expencive, 2. insurance is like 300 buks more a year, 3. vtec cams arent desinged for turbo id have to spend 3gs on changing the things, 4. vtir weighs like 100kg more. and typeR is way to over priced!!!! so laugh all you want and when i post my turbo times well c who owns the faster car:)

wouldn't u end up spending more on a turbo gsi, and more on insurance?

[teaseR]

So Locote. Nearly 2yrs later, how did the turbo go??



YOU funny ass Felix
hahahahahaha

[panda[cRx]]

... i seriously doubt u will get low 13's ronning 200fwhp/149.14fwkw. That power at the wheels may be a different story tho.

ok.....so 200 hp at the wheels would be better than 200fwhp?

fwhp = front wheel horsepower :rolleyes:

[TheSaint]

those nissan motors come from a long lineage of turbo, for example... SSS pulsar has a sr20 non-turbo and a silvia has a sr20det turbo, thus making the n/a turbo'd the motor is kinda already made for it

honda make ther motors for one purpose - N/A

i dont like the idea of boosting and hitting vtec at the same time... juss wouldnt be right, everyone that iv known to have a turbo honda's motor hasnt lasted very long at all or they have had serious comlication =/

im not a big fan lol

[T-onedc2]

Felix i took a vtir for a spin when i was looking for a car, vtec is f all in a vtir,................ vtec cams arent desinged for turbo ............................typeR is way to over priced!!!!..............


i may not know alot bout vtec

Smart cookie hehe, but you can learn a lot in 2 years hahaha

Vtec + turbo makes huge power. Don't forget the idea behind vtec is to give better response and power in low and high rev ranges, unlike non vtec, where there is a compromise toward low end power. So with the better flow properties of vtec, if you add a turbo you have a monster, 500+HP from 1.8L is possible, Signal Japan have done it years ago. Careful tuning is required.

[locote]

turbo came and went..
Had the turbo on my B18c for bout 3months..
Had heat issues with it so i took it all off..
Back to N/A now

[Felix]

turbo came and went..
Had the turbo on my B18c for bout 3months..
Had heat issues with it so i took it all off..
Back to N/A now

Sorry to hear that.
But ...................... so.