Si & VTi-R difference? [Archive]

kiss

07-07-2005, 02:09 PM

hey sorry if its been posted before, but can someone just fill me in on the difference between the Si & VTi-R model? i apologise im not that car literate

and if you could, explain the S model as well, all i know is its the nonvtec model?

thanks guys

joyride

07-07-2005, 02:18 PM

si = h23a dohc non vtec
vtir = h22a dohc vtec

i think theres exterior and interior differences but i dont know much about ludes.

tRipitaka

07-07-2005, 02:19 PM

should have better handling setup in the VTIR to cope for the better engine..

kiss

07-07-2005, 02:21 PM

so i might as well save for a VTi-R.. hmm

how many kw does both have?

joyride

07-07-2005, 02:26 PM

quick search on OH yielded:

The aussie 4th gen VTIR's were 1994-1995. Should go for 10-14k *don’t pay more than that, cos that’s in 5th gen territory*.
212Nm@5300rpm, 147kw@7000rpm.

kiss

07-07-2005, 02:33 PM

ahhh thanks joyride

hmmm all i want is a 94-95 model Si/VTi-R, white, Auto, roughly 150,000kms

kiss

07-07-2005, 02:48 PM

oh sorry just another quick question, does the VTI-R only come in manual? if so i'll have to go with the Si model then

redliner

07-07-2005, 07:27 PM

si = h23a dohc non vtec
vtir = h22a dohc vtec

i think theres exterior and interior differences but i dont know much about ludes.

vtir: 147kw, 5 studs wheels
si : 118kw, 4 studs wheels

goto preludeaustralia.com for more info on it

coladuna

07-07-2005, 08:05 PM

oh sorry just another quick question, does the VTI-R only come in manual? if so i'll have to go with the Si model then

Unless you get a JDM, you will have to go with Si if you want auto. AUDM Prelude VTi-R only came in manual.
IMO, it's not a Prelude unless it's has a DOHC VTEC engine under the bonnet.
It's a world of a difference.

romeo

07-07-2005, 09:06 PM

apartently the Si. 2.3L has a faster take of then the vti-r. but once then vtir hits 3,000rpm si will get cained.!

DMT

07-07-2005, 09:39 PM

in the 5th gen the differences are engine as mentioned

VTIR = 147kw vtec
SI = 118kw non vtec

VTIR has 5 stud wheels, glass sunroof, climate control, 16" alloys vs 15" on SI, leather steering wheel and gear knob, 6 speaker stereo vs 4 speaker in SI.

Options were: Compact disc player with 10 CD Stacker, Leather Upholstery, Metallic Paint, Rear Spoiler :thumbsup:

redliner

07-07-2005, 10:11 PM

AUDM Prelude VTi-R only came in manual.

Thats false dude
Vtir comes in Auto, tiptronic, and manual
Vtir ATTS only comes in manual

h22a accord

08-07-2005, 09:57 AM

i thought the 4th gen vti-r had 143kw and the 5th gen 147kw.

racinghonda

08-07-2005, 10:13 AM

Also only get an auto lude if you just want to cruise because even the VTiR auto is pretty slow.

kiss

08-07-2005, 10:21 AM

yeah im not the sort to speed, just a cruiser :p
thats why i want it in auto

i guess i wanted a VTi-R because of the vtec ahaha
and wats the latest model for the 4th gen?
was it 96?

chaos coupe

08-07-2005, 10:38 AM

[QUOTE=coladuna] AUDM Prelude VTi-R only came in manual.QUOTE]

Thats false dude
Vtir comes in Auto, tiptronic, and manual
Vtir ATTS only comes in manual

whats ATTS? im also think for gettin 1 or change engine..

Blew_lude

08-07-2005, 12:18 PM

Also only get an auto lude if you just want to cruise because even the VTiR auto is pretty slow.

i'll tell u something for nothing...
a manual vti-r does 15.2
a auto vti-r does 16.1

saying that is prety slow on a manuals behalf is being idiotic

but the guy wants to cruise, auto it is!

coladuna

08-07-2005, 01:12 PM

[QUOTE=coladuna] AUDM Prelude VTi-R only came in manual.QUOTE]

Thats false dude
Vtir comes in Auto, tiptronic, and manual
Vtir ATTS only comes in manual

Sorry but you are the one who's wrong.
Unless you didn't realise, the guy is talking about 4th gen Prelude NOT 5th gen.
4th Gen Prelude VTi-R only came in manual in AUDM spec.

PLES2K

08-07-2005, 04:48 PM

yeah im not the sort to speed, just a cruiser :p
thats why i want it in auto

i guess i wanted a VTi-R because of the vtec ahaha
and wats the latest model for the 4th gen?
was it 96?

Last 4th gen built was in 1996, they started building the 5th gen in late 1996

chicken8

09-07-2005, 09:24 AM

VTIR 96-99 model is 143kw
VTIR 99-01 model is 147kw

the SI is lighter than the VTIR and has normal air conditioning and 4 speakers

the VTIR is heavier, comes with sunroof as standard, metalic paint as standard, climate control as standard and has 6 speakers. 2 of which are tweeters.

thats the 5th gen

the 4th gen VTIR are all 147kw, the rest of the differences are the same as above. they come in auto as well, but i suggest learning manual. otherwise u're wasting the vtec. unless u get a vtec controller and forcing the vtec to kick in at 3000rpm or something.

the 5th gens autos are all tiptronic.

kiss

09-07-2005, 03:45 PM

yeah i know it'll be a waste of the vtec..
so im better off going for the Si?
how many kW does that have (4th gen)

im an auto person :p

i prefer seeing VTi-R on my car hahaha

chicken8

09-07-2005, 04:34 PM

auto 4th gen with 150km on it wont cost u that much

go for the 12k mark and u'd get a pretty good 1

u can just put on a VTi-R sticker on ur car if u wanted just the look

because not every1 can tell the difference.

its got abt 117kw or something i think. which is like almost 150hp

which is more than enough for cruising. and once u plant ur foot u'll get some grunt out of it.

what u can do to complete the vti-r conversion is to get the vtech recket cover off ebay. cost u maybe 200?

and when u floor it open the windows and make the reeeeeeeoooooowwww sound

kiss

09-07-2005, 07:45 PM

may as well burn an audio cd with vtec revving sounds too and pump it aye LOL
and add a blow off valve hahaha

ludecrs

11-07-2005, 12:13 AM

Thats false dude
Vtir comes in Auto, tiptronic, and manual

DOn'tcha mean

Auto/Tip
Manual

91'lude

11-07-2005, 10:11 AM

unless u get a vtec controller and forcing the vtec to kick in at 3000rpm or something

How would that work? Vtec cam change is done through oil pressure, not the ecu telling it to.

tRipitaka

11-07-2005, 10:15 AM

DOn'tcha mean

Auto/Tip
Manual

4th gen VTIR came as auto/manual..
5th gen VTIR came as tiptronic/manual..

industrie

11-07-2005, 12:00 PM

lets make it simple with the top models

4th GEN VTIR AUS SPEC only came in manual only
4th GEN VTIR JDM SPEC came in both manual and auto

5th GEN VTIR AUS SPEC came in both auto (tiptronic) and manual
5th GEN ATTS AUS SPEC came in manual only

5th GEN JDM Type S came in manual only

www.preludeaustralia.com for all the information on preludes

kiss

11-07-2005, 02:09 PM

hey i was on carsales.com.au and they had the normal Si, and Si 4WS
wats the diff?

industrie

13-07-2005, 02:06 PM

the SI 4WS is pointless...just allows better steering around corners...but its a bitch to align...4 wheel steering

typicalmale

13-07-2005, 02:59 PM

may as well burn an audio cd with vtec revving sounds too and pump it aye LOL
and add a blow off valve hahaha

thats it kiss! LOL :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

BigWillieStyles

27-07-2005, 02:10 PM

Thats false dude
Vtir comes in Auto, tiptronic, and manual
Vtir ATTS only comes in manual

Only in 4th gens.

Many difference between 4th gen si and vtir, wheels, engine, seat material, cd player, number of speakers, chrome inner door handles, brakes, 4ws was only in si and vtir not in S.

In fifth gens, its all different, honda was using a lot of money in producing these vehicles, and decided to make more extras optional to save money, so that the si didnt get sunroof, or spoiler unless was specially requested.

JDM vehicles, are also completely different, u get lots of extras, but because these are illegal imports, these are very hard registate in other states, and have issues with complicancing cause most have there vin number missing.

I bought an Si cause it was the best quality car i could find at the time.

BigWillieStyles

27-07-2005, 02:13 PM

hey i was on carsales.com.au and they had the normal Si, and Si 4WS
wats the diff?

All 4th gen Si's came with 4ws, no 5th gens. I like my 4ws, only a small difference, but the steering is heaps lighter, and responds better when going at quick speeds.

jes87s

04-08-2005, 08:49 PM

Hey kiss, I am in the middle of looking for a prelude vtir 4th gen also... On carsales at the moment they only have s or si. To find a VTIR 4th Gen they're asking for $15k+. So you say its not worth it?

bigteethygrin

04-08-2005, 08:54 PM

i only found this out recently but 94 vtir is the only 4ws version while all si models have 4ws

Tarks

04-08-2005, 10:15 PM

im also looking for a new lude, so would it be worth getting say a 98-99 5th gen vtir tiptronic or should I go for a manual? i love my cruises but i also enjoy the speed, although been driving auto for 3 years so not too good at manual, but i could always learn :p

jes87s

05-08-2005, 01:10 AM

Someone help me with the prices??

zoopsta

05-08-2005, 11:12 AM

jes, when i was lookin out for a 94 vti-r, it was seriously a tough search!

If you want to save money, for about $11,000-$13,000 can get you a JDM Si-Vtec - i think it has slightly more features such as Auto climate control and maybe extra hp

For about $13,000-$15,000 gets you the vti-r, but really hard to find a nice one with decent km's and condition all round

I have noticed the 5th generation ludes becoming cheaper and you can pick up say a 97 Si for about $15,000-ish and slightly more (about $17,000 at least) for a vti-r, however the km's tend to be over 150,000

hope it helps

kiss

24-08-2005, 02:52 PM

well i've been monitoring prices, and to be honest i think that the lude wanters shouldnt spend more than 12k on a prelude, i hear that tegra's are a better choice for 12k+

im amateur but i've been looking for a lude for a very long time now >.< and yepp its tough to find the right lude for you =)

VTi-R is my target, except i cant drive manual yet -_-
anyone wanna teach me? lol

Blew_lude

24-08-2005, 07:13 PM

vtek

24-08-2005, 08:37 PM

For a decent vtir its worth it to pay more, i had so much toruble buying mine as it was so rare but for kiss it looks like the JDM lude/ auto prelude is for you because of the auto and vtec and they are also slighly cheaper then then the AUDM. for 12k you would be looking at a 200k + vtir. if you want an australian dilivered look for a 92 si in auto as they are real cheap..

Someone help me with the prices??

zoopsta

24-08-2005, 10:47 PM

well i've been monitoring prices, and to be honest i think that the lude wanters shouldnt spend more than 12k on a prelude, i hear that tegra's are a better choice for 12k+

Now I dont want to start another discussion of why a tegra is a better choice or why it isnt, but just because you hear it, doesnt mean its true.

A lude is really worth it. Especially if you like electro-luminescent gauges, agressive front end, torque and especially comfort.

They are real sweet cruisers.

vtek

24-08-2005, 11:40 PM

:thumbsup:

Now I dont want to start another discussion of why a tegra is a better choice or why it isnt, but just because you hear it, doesnt mean its true.

A lude is really worth it. Especially if you like electro-luminescent gauges, agressive front end, torque and especially comfort.

They are real sweet cruisers.

kiss

25-08-2005, 08:17 PM

im not much of a tegra fan because the lude is one of my dream cars, but if i had 12k to spend, i'd choose what is more reliable because i wanna keep the car for a long time.

im not saying that tegras are better or worse, just my mate works at honda and he knows that wen a lude gets into trouble, its harder to fix.

although im a lude lover, dont get me wrong fellas.

sydteg21

22-09-2005, 04:39 PM

the difference is that one comes with vtec engine, one doesn't

mcdare

23-09-2005, 10:43 PM

Always feel that if it doesn't come with a VTEC, don't bother. no?

*no offence to anyone..!! ^^

coladuna

24-09-2005, 08:01 PM

kiss

30-09-2005, 12:44 PM

well i finally found a 92 si-vtec in auto
with 12X,XXXkms on the clock

its hard to find parts for this car so i've heard?
would i be taking a huge risk in buying this car?

i had a look on justcar insurance, and they didnt have this model since its an import, so i gotta call em up n check how much for just third party insurance is gonna cost. i cant afford comprehensive atm.

the best thing about it is, im buying it for 9k
do you think its worth it?

ASSASSIN

30-09-2005, 02:40 PM

you should be able to get insurance for it as a Vtir model no???

_CiVIC_

30-09-2005, 02:53 PM

my cousin just bought a vtir for 8k.. she bought it about 2 weeks ago, for a car with 200,000kms it still goes very well.. its equipped with a h22a yeah??

kiss

30-09-2005, 04:48 PM

my cousin just bought a vtir for 8k.. she bought it about 2 weeks ago, for a car with 200,000kms it still goes very well.. its equipped with a h22a yeah??

yeap! its a sick engine
how much is she paying for insurance would u know?

only sh*t-go is its a 92 model.. i couldnt get a loan for it cos it is more than 10 years old.. bugger

_CiVIC_

30-09-2005, 10:55 PM

my cousin's vti-r is a 96model, she's paying $1700 for insurance.. thats cheap i think considering she is 25..

but yeah, a 96mod vti-r for 8k.. pretty daaaaamnn cheap :wave:

kiss

18-10-2005, 02:54 PM

ended up getting the lude for 8,000$ + 535$ (3rd party insurance) + 174$ (stamp duty)

specs
JDM 1992 Honda Prelude Si-VTEC (Automatic)
119,XXX KMS
pretty much all options
including electric driver seat
sunroof
folding mirrors
foglights
traction control
cruise control
digital climate control
dual airbags
abs brakes
half-mast antenna (doesnt work though)

http://members.optusnet.com.au/kjss/lude01.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/kjss/lude02.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/kjss/lude03.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/kjss/lude04.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/kjss/lude05.jpg

Petronas

19-10-2005, 05:53 PM

Dats Hawt !!!!!

If it was my car it would be a Manual or at least Tip

But for you mate its HOT! lol (Looking to get my VTi-R April next year, thats when i get my P's!!!!)

Edit: Thats not lowered is it?

preludacris

20-10-2005, 01:14 AM

vtir better

but si got mad low down torque in comparison.

Off_the_boat

03-01-2006, 06:43 PM

Why is the JDM vtir lude cheaper than aus delivered lude? What are the differences power figure wise etc? they are both H22A's right?

locote

05-01-2006, 07:33 PM

can i have an honest opinion:
i have a 96 teg gsi, best run so far has been 15.25 at 144.11kph
im realy looking at a lude now,
which is quiker stock down 1/4 4th gen or 5th????
i wanna run 13s N/A aswell eventualy will the LUDE doit????
im looking at a few 5th gen for round 16 to 18 gs
gonna trade teg in so i should get at least 10gs for it

racinghonda

05-01-2006, 08:08 PM

A stock 5th gen VTiR will do 15.3-15.4s 400m. A Stock 4th Gen VTiR about 15.2-15.4s.

Mr_will

05-01-2006, 09:04 PM

the SI 4WS is pointless...just allows better steering around corners...but its a bitch to align...4 wheel steering

wow i didnt realise that having better steering round corners wasnt worth it.
is this opposed to the steering you have when you arent cornering?
and if by bitch to align you mean it needs a four wheel alignment instead of two wheel, youre talking about all of $20 or so, which reall is jack all, and hardly constitutes being "a bitch"

locote

05-01-2006, 10:57 PM

A stock 5th gen VTiR will do 15.3-15.4s 400m. A Stock 4th Gen VTiR about 15.2-15.4s.

have you raced yours with all your mods??

i saw a 4th gen vtir do a 14.7 with just a CAI kit and catback, and the bloke couldnt launch i had him on take offs but it had some balls up top!!!!!

sleepyf1

28-02-2006, 10:19 PM

All 4th gen Si's came with 4ws, no 5th gens. I like my 4ws, only a small difference, but the steering is heaps lighter, and responds better when going at quick speeds.

OK let me get clarify this, some models of the 4th gen has 4WS but the 5th gens do not come with 4WS?

My 5Th Gen owner's manual contains a section for 4WS and ATTS but both say "for some models"

When driving my 97 prelude vtir (not an ATTS) I can sense an artificial oversteer when depressing the accelerator around a corner and a lack to torque steer (a vast contrast to my understeering teg vtir) which is unusual for a heavy front wheel drive car. I have also read in these forums that some 5th gens have an LSD.

My car feels like it has both an LSD and 4WS. is this possible? or is it just a more refined chassis and suspension system?

racinghonda

01-03-2006, 07:13 AM

OK let me get clarify this, some models of the 4th gen has 4WS but the 5th gens do not come with 4WS?

My 5Th Gen owner's manual contains a section for 4WS and ATTS but both say "for some models"

When driving my 97 prelude vtir (not an ATTS) I can sense an artificial oversteer when depressing the accelerator around a corner and a lack to torque steer (a vast contrast to my understeering teg vtir) which is unusual for a heavy front wheel drive car. I have also read in these forums that some 5th gens have an LSD.

My car feels like it has both an LSD and 4WS. is this possible? or is it just a more refined chassis and suspension system?

4WS on the 5th gens were only available in Japan. So if you did have one it would have to be a JDM import. A simple test would be to turn the ignition on and look for a 4WS light in the dash, switch on the engine and turn the steering wheel lock to lock, the rear wheels should steer.

Australian 5th Gens didn't come with LSD. The 5th gen is a naturally good handling chassis, it turns in well and puts the power down out of corners well. The body shell is quite a lot stronger than any of the other generations in terms of bending and torsional resistance. This adds to the feel of refinement and sharp handling.

h22a accord

01-03-2006, 07:26 AM

OK let me get clarify this, some models of the 4th gen has 4WS but the 5th gens do not come with 4WS?

My 5Th Gen owner's manual contains a section for 4WS and ATTS but both say "for some models"

When driving my 97 prelude vtir (not an ATTS) I can sense an artificial oversteer when depressing the accelerator around a corner and a lack to torque steer (a vast contrast to my understeering teg vtir) which is unusual for a heavy front wheel drive car. I have also read in these forums that some 5th gens have an LSD.

My car feels like it has both an LSD and 4WS. is this possible? or is it just a more refined chassis and suspension system?

check the barcode sticker on the tranny housing and deciphering the code will tell you if u have LSD. the first 4 digits will say M2B4 if its LSD. Another way is jack up the front of the car until both wheels are off the ground. spin one of the wheels with your hand and if the other wheel turns in sync you have LSD.

having said this, i highly doubt you have an LSD or 4WS as your lude is an AUDM delivered car.

the 5th gen ludes do steer pretty well, so your new found handling it's likely thats all you are feeling.

sleepyf1

01-03-2006, 10:29 PM

thanks for the input. i release now how understeery my integra was.....OMG

quangsta

08-03-2006, 09:18 AM

if a jdm prelude is already registered in vic would there be any problems if i was to buy one now??...

yourfather

08-03-2006, 03:17 PM

depends on if it has really legal compliance plates. but, it's not part of the sevs scheme.

so I'd say it's not really a) registered properly b) he's telling you bullshit.

quangsta

08-03-2006, 10:24 PM

its a 1994 jdm prelude auto with vtec......his got the yellow compliance plate saying that its a personal import and stuff...its registered and all he said his had it for more the 6 yrz buh didnt import it himself??....if u imported a car before the sevs its ok yerr??