Integra LS vs Corolla SX Seca

[2NTICN]

Hey just wondering of ppls thoughts on these 2 cars put head to head, mainly in the setting of a straight thrashing off the lights???

[DaPlaya]

Me n a mate of mine went at it a few months back...he has an sx twincam hatchback. First and second gear I had him but he got me halfway through third... He did have extractors and a 2.25" exhaust at the time and i was stock (except pod)

[FR33K]

LS all the way
and im not being biased..

[panda[cRx]]

bloody newbies don't make me stab you in the eye.

sick of these newbie "what if" threads with fockers asking if they can beat their mates in a drag.


TAKE IT TO THE TRACK AND FIND OUT (as ozhonda doesnt endorse street racing ;))

[SKREMN]

LS Again

[2NTICN]

panda if u dont like my questions, dont read them!

[Paul1985]

id be expecting the integra.. never drove an LS tegra but my mum used to have a seca i used to drive around all the time and i couldnt picture it beating an integra... i didnt think it went all that hard IMO

[z3lda]

what if my mum raced your mum with nike air max's ? who would win?

my mum does have a extractors and 2.25 fart canon.
your mum altezza's and nismo stickers on the forehead

straigh line run or round the supermarket run......

thoughts please

[aznsiko]

LS... ive gone with some random corolla on the street off the lights unsure what was done to the car besides the regular rims and loud exhaust.. but it copped a good beating by my LS..

[Da1nONLY]

Ive driven both GTi corolla's and SX Seca's and they both go quiet hard for what they are. I think the LS will have trouble trying to beat it though.

[panda[cRx]]

what if my mum raced your mum with nike air max's ? who would win?

my mum does have a extractors and 2.25 fart canon.
your mum altezza's and nismo stickers on the forehead

straigh line run or round the supermarket run......

thoughts please

i dunno about how his mum will go in the twisty sections in between aisles, her sussy looks a bit bouncy and with that weight she'll be all over the place

[DaPlaya]

panda if u dont like my questions, dont read them!
agreed.

[DaPlaya]

dude, get over ur noobie shit

[SiReal]

']i dunno about how his mum will go in the twisty sections in between aisles, her sussy looks a bit bouncy and with that weight she'll be all over the place

You know guys, it might be hard to judge. Especially with the "post stocktake sale" sale, they might get caught up at the Toilet tissue bulk stack or perhaps even the fresh produce department. Once again, its all up to the driver to maintain focused.:D

[z3lda]

dude, get over ur noobie shit

05 newb:rolleyes:

[Shraka]

What's an Integra LS? IS that the American GSI?
AE92 Corolla SX has 100kw at the fly, in a 1000kg car.

I think it'd be pretty close (assuming the LS is an american version of a GSI)

And 2NTICN, rather than posting the question, why don't you go try, then post us the answer?

[z3lda]

LS is the integra model before your Shraka
the square machine with square headlight

[Kawasaki]

i agree these threads are ghay, come back when u can afford a car

[Shraka]

LS is the integra model before your Shraka
the square machine with square headlight
Oh? I thought that was an SX16 or something.

Anyway, in that case I'd DEFINATLY bet on the Corolla. Although the driver makes a big difference.

[aaronng]

what if my mum raced your mum with nike air max's ? who would win?

my mum does have a extractors and 2.25 fart canon.
your mum altezza's and nismo stickers on the forehead

straigh line run or round the supermarket run......

thoughts please
Your mum will lose. My mum eats Weatbix and drinks Milo.

[egSi]

this thread is funny as ****!

[jdmlvn]

toyota = overrated :( haha

[dc2dc2dc2]

i thought the sx seca went allright ? feels allright to me but eh' who knows until u actually race one.

[SiReal]

Your mum will lose. My mum eats Weatbix and drinks Milo.

You sure man? I bet she doesnt eat nutri grain.

[dc2dc2dc2]

my mum eats a big bowl of rice for breakfast with soy sauce. u canot beat that.

[Shraka]

toyota = overrated :( haha
What? Who over-rates toyota? If anything they're over rated... oh wait, 'cept the AE86. That's obviously over rated.

AE82 Twincam is prettymuch a FWD AE86. AE92 is a slightly better FWD version of an 86. ;) P.S. that's a JDM 86, not AUDM... AUDM AE86 Sprinters suck almost as bad as AE85s do.

[SiReal]

AUDM AE86 Sprinters suck almost as bad as AE85s do.

If my mind is correct, Australia never released the Sprinter in AE86 form. Only 85 sohc carby.

[Shraka]

If my mind is correct, Australia never released the Sprinter in AE86 form. Only 85 sohc carby.
That would be wrong.
:p
The AUDM Sprinter chassis code is AE86. It came with drum breaks on the back and a 4A-C 1.6ltr Carby, non-crossflow, SOHC engine (due to australia not having unleaded fuel at the time of release). The AE85 was not released here. In Japan, the AE85 has smaller breaks, and a 3A-C engine (1.5ltr) than our AE86. However the Jap AE86 (Sprinter Trueno / Corolla Levin) has a 4A-GE DOHC EFI TVIS engine with 88+kw and all wheel discs (so it doesn't TOTALY suck, but I wouldn't pay over $5000 for one).

[z3lda]

and that AE86 kills GTR, TYPE R, EVO, S15 and other jap perfomance cars

[panda[cRx]]

you would pay $5k for one?

they only worth $2.5-3k but thanks to takumi people started trying to sell them for like $10k+

[SiReal]

hehe...well i guess my mind wasn't correct. Thanks Shraka! I learn something new everyday! Within this thread, there are like 3 other little threads. This one, The breakfast one, and the original one. fantastic! :D


That would be wrong.

:p
The AUDM Sprinter chassis code is AE86. It came with drum breaks on the back and a 4A-C 1.6ltr Carby, non-crossflow, SOHC engine (due to australia not having unleaded fuel at the time of release). The AE85 was not released here. In Japan, the AE85 has smaller breaks, and a 3A-C engine (1.5ltr) than our AE86. However the Jap AE86 (Sprinter Trueno / Corolla Levin) has a 4A-GE DOHC EFI TVIS engine with 88+kw and all wheel discs (so it doesn't TOTALY suck, but I wouldn't pay over $5000 for one).

[SiReal]

']you would pay $5k for one?

they only worth $2.5-3k but thanks to takumi people started trying to sell them for like $10k+

So true. And most of them are driven by honkies as well (i'm a honkie, so i can say that)

[Shraka]

']you would pay $5k for one?

they only worth $2.5-3k but thanks to takumi people started trying to sell them for like $10k+

A good condition GT-Apex, yeah, $5K. I wouldn't pay more than that.

I've seen them for $15,000. Even more with a decent wack of mods. I got my 1994 DC2 VTi-R for less than that!

And yes, I'm from toymods.org (never owned a toyota though). We call it Takumi Tax. ;)

[panda[cRx]]

So true. And most of them are driven by honkies as well (i'm a honkie, so i can say that)

well i originally typed "only a honkie would pay over $5k for one" but i didnt want kents having a cry for having a go at honkies la:rolleyes:

[SiReal]

hahaha..i guess i really dont care enough sometimes... theres the takumi replica panda going around driven by a skinny honkie who hangs around bh. and another pair with huge stickers that also hang aruond bh...bh = box hill. and i assuem that hk ppl like to hang around bh. hence my judgement. its nothing bad. i like the car.but i wouldnt spend heaps on it. i dont wanna be a takumi try hard.

[Shraka]

lol, it's true though.

Although my mate Mike used to drive one (untill he crashed into an Integra GSI with it, and wrote it off, lol)... he's not a honky.

They're annoyingly expensive. A Aus spec one can go for $4,000!!!!!!!!

P.S. This other guy, Adam... he's just like Takumi, only tall, big, and white. He beats porches in his Aus spec Sprinter.

[panda[cRx]]

HEY!!!

...can we not hang shit on panda paint jobs too much, I'M STILL HERE

[dc2dc2dc2]

panda cars are so queer....:p

[SiReal]

You know what, one day, I might even panda up my old white 85' corona. and be a takumi wannabe wannabe. Its just so simple. paint a black line across the car and paint some other bits black.

[Shraka]

Heh heh. I don't mind the real panda (white/black) on 86s. But the red/black, silver/grey and... that other one (whatever it is) look strange.

What was this thread about again? Oh yeah... an AE94 Corolla Seca is pretty cool. Doesn't have TVIS though (my honda has VVIS, Honda's TVIS). Just small ports. It lacks torque down low, but so does the Integra LS (I assume the LS is a 1.6 like the Corolla?) Seriously, my bet is with the Corolla.

Oh and if you want an AE86 for the light wegith, and nifty 50/50 weight and all that, get a AE71. It's prettymuch an aus spec AE86, only at about $500-1000 a pop, rather than $3000+.

[dc2dc2dc2]

no my n00b friend...the LS has a 1.8 DOHC B18A

[Shraka]

no my n00b friend...the LS has a 1.8 DOHC B18A
Ooooh okay. I'd still bet on the Corolla 'cuz Toyota ownz (sais the guy with the DC2). :P lol.

[z3lda]

there's ones around donny area that actually delivers pizza's hahaha

with the fujiwararerararaaaa sticker on it

[dc2dc2dc2]

Please stick to topic.

[Shraka]

I wanna beeee.... TAAAKUUUMIIIII!

Yeah my honda-crashy-into-with-86sy friend was gonna take a pizza delivery job with his AE86... decided against it though.

[Shraka]

panda cars are so queer....:p

Please stick to topic.
:p

[dc2dc2dc2]

thats was 1 line, please stop attempting to get ur posts count up. and become a member in 1 day. thankyou.

[FR33K]

theres no such things as topics anymore
every thread is a spam thread

[Redteg]

Way too many variables I say.

Respect your LS elders people!

P.S. By posting in this thread I do by no means support their creation.

[Boy_Integra]

All this talk about Toyota's Thought this was.. OZ HONDA.COM? :confused:

MY LS IS MY LIFE..

[THE_MASS]

i rekon the the LS, but depends on the driver ;)

[LS Integra]

i got an ls, wid extractors, exhaust and pod..

munches any piece of crap rolla in sight..

cept for those new sportivos.. they are pretty quick..

[Shraka]

i got an ls, wid extractors, exhaust and pod..

munches any piece of crap rolla in sight..

cept for those new sportivos.. they are pretty quick..
Oh yeah? AE93 Corolla SX?

[2NTICN]

thank you to the LS boyz that finally got back on the topic, i duno wat is wrong wiv some of you, and to Kawasaki, i own a Integra LS, thats y i was curious.

[zorrt]

Ive driven both GTi corolla's and SX Seca's and they both go quiet hard for what they are. I think the LS will have trouble trying to beat it though.

gti and sx are the exact same cars...

anyways...never dragged an LS when i had my rolla but drove my mates LS (both in stock form) and the LS feels to have a bit more kick to it than the SX. But regardless, for a $3500 car the SX goes pretty hard for what it is.

[T-onedc2]

SX and Gti are almost the same apart from the obvious front and rear bars etc. Both have identical engines, Gti lost the alloy wheels but got bigger brakes, centre brake light mounted in rear spoiler, lower budget interior ie; door mouldings better on SX. Had an 89 SX then converted to 20v. Sold it in January for $6900 Haha! Great little car but vtec is always faster, especially DC2. :thumbsup:

[panda[cRx]]

very clean car u had there moite

[T-onedc2]

']very clean car u had there moite
Cheers, I do miss it a little sometimes.

[SiReal]

that car mustve been quick..i hvae to admit i like its looks more than the ed/ef

[T-onedc2]

that car mustve been quick..i hvae to admit i like its looks more than the ed/ef
Yeah wasn't bad, I always thought it'd compare well with a B16A EK but never found out. The DC2 Vtir is in another league though, easily kills it.

[_CiVIC_]

i got an ls, wid extractors, exhaust and pod..

munches any piece of crap rolla in sight..

cept for those new sportivos.. they are pretty quick..


how about the 4age rollas?

[Chi]

panda cars are so queer....:p

[T-onedc2]

4AGE 1.6lt corollas, where to start?
AUDM only got 2 different 4AGE's, 86-88 Twincam Hatch, Seca & MR2 had 86kw, then 89-91 SX Hatch & Seca plus 92-94 Gti Hatch & (SX)Seca had a higher 10.3:1 compression with 100kw on PULP.
JDM had the above plus a Supercharged 108kw, then upgraded Supercharged 125kw, Silver top vvt 20 valve 118kw (as pictured in post #56 above), then finally Black top vvti 20 valve approx 125kw.
The Twincam corollas were the king of hatches in our market for their time, but can't compare to B16A onwards.

[frozenchook]

i reckon a blacktop 20v would give a few hondas a run for their money
as for the ls/gti race - maybe we should set a wsid challenge on toymods?
id be keen to run my ls :)

[Shraka]

T-onedc2, that's not totaly accurate. There's a difference between the AUDM AW11 MR2 4A-GE and the AUDM AE82 Corolla 4A-GE. The AW11 version has more power due to higher compression. It also has a 7 rib block rather than a 5 rib block (making it much stronger).

Anyway...

I've looked at the stats. The Type R B16A has more power than the 4A-GE blacktop 20 valve, but the Blacktop 20v hits torque lower, and also has more peak torque.

Unfortunatly the blacktop 20v engine was never in a chassis light enough to compete with a Civic Type R. Although, take a blacktop 20v and put it in a AE92 (1989+) Corolla (like T-onedc2 did), I think you'll find the AE92 can keep up, if not beat the Civic. The problem for the Corolla is that the Type R civic had an active LSD, where the 20v only had a 1 was LSD in it's transaxle. So in the corners, the Type R would probably win.

The B16 is also probably easier to modify. If you wanna make a high power 4A-GE, you're best bet is to actualy get an AW11 MR2 or AE92 Levin 4A-GE bigport, take the TVIS (which Honda ripped off with it's VVIS) off and work it with quad throttles, high comp pistons, lumpy cams etc. All the fancy vvt-i and 20 valve head on the blacktop 20v actualy makes it harder to get good power out of them (but makes for much better low end torque).

[T-onedc2]

Thanks I'm aware of the difference between corolla 86kw and 100kw regarding ribs on block and logic would lead me to assume that the MR2 recieved the same treatment. Wasn't planning to go that deep on this thread.
I didn't however clarify that the B16A was that of just a vtir 118kw, Type R is another league IMO.
You will find that the AE92 100kw is actually the small port to give better street drivability, 86kw is large port and best for big power high rpm, and used T-vis to improve low rpm.
Having said that, Formula Atlantic used a highly modified version based on AE92 100kw which made 240hp.

Regarding 20v corolla vs vtir civic, factory tuned silver top 20v has a far from optimised torque curve which IMO would lose valuable time against a B16A civic which has a much smoother and efficient drivetrain.

[XESX]

guys...check this out....the levin have a blacktop 20v
http://www.rollamods.com/videos/civic_levin.avi

[Stroza]

SX rolla would win, hands down thumbs up!

[Flanderz]

Hey what about beating a 92 pulsar sss, my tranny aint the best at the moment and the car needs a good service and some tuning, but my mate chomped me at the lights, although I do have to perfect my launch as I got way top much wheelspin. He had a pod filter but so did i damit. (can't wait to beat him, he even gave my audi a good run which i was supprised at.)

[Shraka]

Actualy T-onedc2, what I mean is that the AW11 Bigport 4A-GE has more power, and a 7 rib block. It doesn't have the oil squirters angled at the pistons like the 100kw does though. The AW11/AE92 Levin 4A-GE is actualy halfway between an AE93 Corolla SX 100kw Smallport 4A-GE and a AE82 Bigport 4A-GE. A mate of mine had an AW11 4A-GE in his AE86, and another mate has the AE92 Levin from Japan. They both say their cars pull noticably harder than a AE86 or AE82 4A-GE.

As you said, the bigport was better as it breaths WAY better up high (due to big ports). The smallport had better torque down low and but power was made due to higher compression (which you can do to a bigport anyway). The BEST bigport, is the AW11 or AE92 Levin bigport, as I stated. However, for something like formula Atlantic I imagine you'd want an in-production, readily available engine block for when one of your engines goes pop, not a second hand engine with kms already on it that's hard to source. That, I imagine is why they used the smallport (could be wrong tho).

The MR2 never got the 100kw 4A-GE. It went from the AW11 with a 4A-GE Bigport or 4A-GZE Supercharged bigport, to a SW20 with a 3S-GE/3S-GTE (2.0ltr n/a or turbocharged).

I'm probably getting way to techincaly and picky for this thread though.

XESX, are you asking or telling? Yes, the AE111 Levin/Trueno has a Blacktop 20 valve. The AE101 Levin/Trueno has the Silvertop 20valve.

[Shraka]

Hey what about beating a 92 pulsar sss, my tranny aint the best at the moment and the car needs a good service and some tuning, but my mate chomped me at the lights, although I do have to perfect my launch as I got way top much wheelspin. He had a pod filter but so did i damit. (can't wait to beat him, he even gave my audi a good run which i was supprised at.)
As for you... just go do it and then you can tell us!

As many people have stated, it's largely due to your skill anyway. Even if your car IS better and faster, you might not be as good a driver. So go test your metal. Stop being an armchair racer and go take it to your local track!

[XESX]

XESX, are you asking or telling? Yes, the AE111 Levin/Trueno has a Blacktop 20 valve. The AE101 Levin/Trueno has the Silvertop 20valve.
if u download the video and check it out then u will know what i am talking about :)

[Shraka]

Heh, I did after I posted that.

[SiReal]

hahaha...after the video,...all this talk becomes irrelevant!

[T-onedc2]

Actualy T-onedc2, what I mean is that the AW11 Bigport 4A-GE has more power, and a 7 rib block. It doesn't have the oil squirters angled at the pistons like the 100kw does though. The AW11/AE92 Levin 4A-GE is actualy halfway between an AE93 Corolla SX 100kw Smallport 4A-GE and a AE82 Bigport 4A-GE. A mate of mine had an AW11 4A-GE in his AE86, and another mate has the AE92 Levin from Japan. They both say their cars pull noticably harder than a AE86 or AE82 4A-GE.

As you said, the bigport was better as it breaths WAY better up high (due to big ports). The smallport had better torque down low and but power was made due to higher compression (which you can do to a bigport anyway). The BEST bigport, is the AW11 or AE92 Levin bigport, as I stated. However, for something like formula Atlantic I imagine you'd want an in-production, readily available engine block for when one of your engines goes pop, not a second hand engine with kms already on it that's hard to source. That, I imagine is why they used the smallport (could be wrong tho).

The MR2 never got the 100kw 4A-GE. It went from the AW11 with a 4A-GE Bigport or 4A-GZE Supercharged bigport, to a SW20 with a 3S-GE/3S-GTE (2.0ltr n/a or turbocharged).

I'm probably getting way to techincaly and picky for this thread though.

XESX, are you asking or telling? Yes, the AE111 Levin/Trueno has a Blacktop 20 valve. The AE101 Levin/Trueno has the Silvertop 20valve.
Learn something new every day, I wasn't aware of that "half way" variation of 4AGE in AW11. Cheers

[Shraka]

No worries. Happy to empart the mound of useless crap I've learned about engines I've never had (and probably never will). lol.

It wasn't just in the AW11 though, it was in the AE92 Levin/Trueno too. Interesting that the AE92 Levin/Trueno got the 7 rib bigport, but the AE93 Corolla SX got the 100kw.

Nice AE93 by the way! ;) Shoulda taken it up against some of the boys on this forums. Shown them what a "crappy Corolla" can do. ;) It'd be interesting to see what it could beat, and what it would lose to (atleast in a straight line).

[T-onedc2]

Gees you can talk a lot can't ya! Jus kiddin :p

Thanks for the comment, had the car 4 years from stock, problem is that Adelaide has too many commodores etc so not many interesting comparisons for you, despatched V6 easy but V8 not always. Aftermarket tuned ECU would've fixed that. A 3S-GE MR2 with intake/exhaust was not too hard.
Favourite part of car had to be the TOM'S C3-R 15x6 deep dish rims! *DROOL*

[Shraka]

Yeah I'm a chatty bitch. lol.

[2NTICN]

what happened to the corolla vs the integra topic ??? :s

[Da1nONLY]

its over =P....
GTi wins over LS...

[2NTICN]

ummm Da1nOnly just while u think your pretty funny, The topic was Corolla SX Seca vs Integra LS, not corolla GTI, read and take it in before u be a smartass

[Da1nONLY]

ummm Da1nOnly just while u think your pretty funny, The topic was Corolla SX Seca vs Integra LS, not corolla GTI, read and take it in before u be a smartass

no offence dude.. but your taking this way too serious....learn to relax....
and if you dont know anything about corollas... dont comment on it....

Corolla SX Seca and GTi's.. both have 4A-GE engines.. basically same car,
now a 1.6l running 100Kw at approx 1050Kg shell...... you have to admit they are pretty good for what they are.

[LO_N_SXC]

Mang is this thread still going??????

Only thing I can say is, that I have beaten a SX corolla with a silver top 20valve 4AGE and it did a great job running off from me on take off, once I hit 2nd and then 3rd I munched him, but still a great effort from and engine that is only a 1.6, My cuz just recently finished his 4AGZE (Supercharged) AE92 corolla, so faarrr the ECU and a sensor are giving him problems but only before 3K RPM right after that its fine and I can tell yall that they are F*&K'ing awsome for what they are.

So If ya wanna know whats faster an LS or the Rolla go to the track and find out for ya self!

No point on asking that sort of stuff here!

El Gallo

[zuihoujueding]

Oh? I thought that was an SX16 or something.

Anyway, in that case I'd DEFINATLY bet on the Corolla. Although the driver makes a big difference.

whats with the sx16? not popular at all thou.

[FR33K]

woah 10 years later...

[IN73GZ]

hahaha whata stooge,, thread is over mate!

[LO_N_SXC]

hahaha whata stooge,, thread is over mate!
Blah! TWOT = Total Waste Of Time!