Reccomended Subwoofers???

[2NTICN]

Hey guys, some clown decided to put a screwdriver through on of my subs so im gona change the entire set up completely. I wana have 2 12"inch subs set up in the back of a Integra LS, just curious on what people would recomend as good quality subs for a limited budget.

[2NTICN]

At first thoughts i was considering the pentagonal 12" 1200w Sony Subs. anyone rate em?

[J-MuN]

At first thoughts i was considering the pentagonal 12" 1200w Sony Subs. anyone rate em?
Three :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: for the Sony Pentagonal 12" subs...

What amplifier are you 2NTICN? Recommendations will depend on the amplifier and its output.

[mj3610]

get the JBL ones they're pretty good.
http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=716
u gotta have a good amp to run a good sub, a sh*t sub with a good amp will sound better than a good sub with a sh*t amp.

[BoneZee®]

I rate the schneider duel 12" SPL-12DV. rrp$297.
http://www.schneideraudio.com/sc_product.php?cat=Products&proId=32

Had one in my civic and will be putting now in my g'f lancer.

[mugeneration]

new pioneer 12 inch looks hot. 1000w of power. plus theyve changed the back of em so they look sexy when u reverse mount them (terminology? :rolleyes: lol)

[ICACHA]

whats the limited budget?

pointless people telling you to get this or get that if your budget can get NICE subs...

[LVNIT]

IMO your better off spending the money you would on two subs and buy one of a decent quality

[alta'd n13]

new pioneer 12 inch looks hot. 1000w of power. plus theyve changed the back of em so they look sexy when u reverse mount them (terminology? :rolleyes: lol)

terminology is inverted subs when they are mounted bottom end out.

i would have to say as to the sony idea not a good buy. yeh they can look good but dont perform even for the low budget of their range as well as other similar priced and built subs. only thing i would buy from the sony range is the high end h/u's.

for a very low cost high effect sub i would recommend the clarion range for a very reasonable, low price, quality built sub.
pioneer would be in a very similar price bracket to the clarions also and would be another top buy for the price.

next step up from that price bracket would be something in the lower alpine range, top sound quality and value for money and extremely good build and reliability.

those three would be my recommendations for bang for your dollar sub's but depending on how much you want to spend and what sort of amp you are running is more means to base a decision on.
basically the quality of amp defines quality of sound and power output so you need to make you choice based on the amp. do not underpower your subs. give them a minimum of their recommended power requirements or you do risk hurting them sooner rather than later.

[2NTICN]

yeh i had that JBL 1000w 12" running off a BOSS 1000w amp, you'll have to forgive me im not that familiar with wat good amps are or not, but currently there is a SONY XPLOD amp in the boot but im not sure of its power output however it is currently supporting speakers aswell as the JBL sub for the time being.

[2NTICN]

im currently running a Alpine Head Unit with 2Preout + 1Subpreout, its the unit that is compatible with the AInet ipod box, cost big bucks in the states but i thought it was worth the investment. Impulse 6" splits in the front (duno if they are any good they sound aight and pioneer 3way 6" in the back?

[KB]

Seas Audio for SQ
DD for SPL

[ICV 73C]

Alpine Type S 12" for $200 x2 = $400 (these pump great in honda's) OR
Alpine Type R 12" for $400 x1 (guessing theses will pump even better)
or the Shneiders, they go alrite. OR just go for rockford fostgates

[mj3610]

just remember most schneider subs are for sealed boxes and if theres air escaping from ur box it WILL put stress on the sub and eventuallu fry ur viocecoil. I think for what they're worth and their price the clarion subs make excellent subs but remember one thing when ur buying a sub; Watt rating on the sub means nothing, whether its RMS or PMPO... u can give a 300wrms sub 500 watts and it might put less stress on it than if u give a 300wrms sub 100watts. its distortion that destroys subs (and speakers) so sound quality of the sub will really depend on what amp u have and also KNOW ur maximum or optimum volume level without distortion so u dont blow ur new sub.
cheers

[mugeneration]

yeh i had that JBL 1000w 12" running off a BOSS 1000w amp

ah i know your pain! The 1000w boss amps suck!

[alta'd n13]

boss amp isnt a good idea.
i would recommend you upgrade from the sony amp for starters, get something better as thats probably why your sub isnt giving you everything you want from it.
the amp is basically the soul of the system, the better the amp, the more the power and sound quality you will get from it

[jared]

in my prelude i have two pioneer twelves 800 watt each runnin off a mtx 550 watt amplify and it pounds like crazy, and it didnt set me back alot,around $400 in a package at strathfield.....just go to there website heaps on sale at the moment...and talk it down with them sayin you saw it cheaper somewhere else...worked for me

[2NTICN]

thanx jared, sounds like a good idea ill give them a look...
what amp would you guys reccommend if i was going to be running 2 JBL 1000w 12" like the one that dude showed me from strathfield, the link is on the first page.

[mj3610]

this if u have the money, u cna prob find it cheaper somewhere else like ebay (trusted sellers onli)
http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=1037

[jared]

yeh if ya going to be running to jbl subs its best to go all out jbl amp as well, my mate ran two jbl 12s off a boss amp and stuffed his system, so its best to go all out or a well known amp, but if you go all jbl and get it in a package or somethin they normally drop value price of about $100, the only reason i went mtx amp over pioneer was that at that time they didnt have any in stock, but it is a good amp and iv heard good things about there subs as well :D just do us a favour and dont go for a cheap amp runnin good quality subs or a shit sub on a good amp...not good for ya system...ive lerant that the hard way :thumbdwn:

[CRXY01]

Are you after SQ or SPL??
I would recommend European brands if you want SQ.
Jap brands I find just don’t produce the same SQ.
I would have to strongly agree with what every one else has said about Sony subs! I find that alpine are the best non European subs and speakers. But I do have a Pioneer sub in my car that serves the purpose quite well.
Can you give a rough budget? As said be for you are better of getting one good sub that to average ones!

[aimre]

umm try the jaycar response stuff

dual voice coil, 100% carbon fibre cone

[crispy]

In an LS, you honestly wont need more than one decent 12" sub. I had a thought of having 2 x 12" but then i scrapped that idea and just got a 12" pentagonal xplod sub. Now i know that sub isnt the best, but hell it runs really well off my kenwood amp. I am dissapointed with the sub now tho, it just cant exactly keep up, it starts distorting with certain music. If you have sum cash, then i would highly recomend checking out Directed audio studio subs. U can get a 12" dual voice coil and ive heard them and i tell you what, they are incredible. But it all depends on the system you want and how much your willing to spend.

[2NTICN]

i probably dont wana spend much more than $400. ive already got a sik alpine head unit, ive got a sony xplod amp running sum nice speakers and ive got the spare BOSS amp which i may aswell chuck to the sh!t from wat everyones telling me. i mainly just want a good pounding sub that looks sik in the back of an LS...

[mj3610]

is it just me or is everyone ignoring quality items here????
http://www.strathfield.com.au/Products.asp?CatID=177
i'd have any one of these 2 any day, if i could start my system over i'd buy the mtx one i've heard these babies in those boxes and i can tell ya its true what it says about it on the strathfield mtx page. if you havnt got much room and your amp isnt that powerful go for the JBL one.

[180sx]

crewin vega~~~~ nothing can beat it ...

[EGB16A]

crewin vega~~~~ nothing can beat it ...

alot of things can beat cerwin vega.

Anyway, for mid range budget check out the kicker range. At least they are honest with their power ratings by quoting continuous power (RMS) as opposed to other well known brands quoting peak power output.

I had a listen to some JL W1 12' subs today, and for an entry level sub, they sounded nice. Other notable mid range subs are the MTX subs, which are good. they are acurate and don't get too boomy at high volume.

[2NTICN]

well ive already got a nice custom box to sit it in so im after a decent sub to chuck in there, IM really thinking of getting another JBL sub. Will the MTX sub really sound that much better?

[mj3610]

the jbl will sound good but the mtx will sound alot better cause that sub in the box is not their base models its one of their better subs.

[2NTICN]

are u saying get the MTX in the box, or just an MTX and use my own box?

[mj3610]

the box that it comes in is engineered for that sub and is properly ported. if you have a good box (not those cheap sh*t home made ones) then that sub will be really good, the jbl is alright too but i think the mtx one is a nice sub if u have a good box already just get the sub dw about the box its just a necessity.

[EGB16A]

well ive already got a nice custom box to sit it in so im after a decent sub to chuck in there, IM really thinking of getting another JBL sub. Will the MTX sub really sound that much better?

JBL are loud, and not much more. MTX get loud, but offer a better quality sound IMO

[BlacKEGPedroew]

Fusion powerplant dual voice coil FP1200 ( I think)

They have been around for years and are still kicking ass...

[blksin]

alot of things can beat cerwin vega.

Anyway, for mid range budget check out the kicker range. At least they are honest with their power ratings by quoting continuous power (RMS) as opposed to other well known brands quoting peak power output.

Yeah,:thumbsup: i have had the sqaure 12inch Kicker with a Kicker amp and its been going hard for over 2 yrs now, best subs i have ever heard compares to a 15 :D

it was worth the dosh :)

[nedgeworth]

whats the limited budget?

pointless people telling you to get this or get that if your budget can get NICE subs...

I second this motion!

By the looks of it i'm guessing a 200-300 budget.

[2NTICN]

yeah i want sumthin decent but i dont wana fork out a sh!t load of money coz i wana spend it on the rest of my car. I just want a good looking sub that does the job.

[mr_mojo02]

nobody seems to like rockford fosgate anymore?

[newmski]

get JL audio gear
i have it and love it. i got entry level 12W0-4 sub + e1200 amp. only 125WRMS but sounds beautiful and pounds hard too. if u can find a cheap one i would DEFINTELY recomend the JL 3v2 with a 250-300 watt amp "e1400D"
RMS is not necaserly everything
but ur best bet go to an audio store listen to and listen to a few...like most things in this world u get wat u pay for

[unluvedboi]

grab 2 800 watts pioneer sub

[EGB16A]

get JL audio gear
i have it and love it. i got entry level 12W0-4 sub + e1200 amp. only 125WRMS but sounds beautiful and pounds hard too. if u can find a cheap one i would DEFINTELY recomend the JL 3v2 with a 250-300 watt amp "e1400D"
RMS is not necaserly everything
but ur best bet go to an audio store listen to and listen to a few...like most things in this world u get wat u pay for

true^^

the 250-300rms w3v2 rips my kicker 400rms sub.

[2NTICN]

ive heardly a couple of JL subs and they just didnt sound like the have any balls, I heard the 12" kicker square sub in a custom boz and it kicked ass but JB Hi Fi wanted like $700 for the sub alone. Screw that!!! Im thinkin ill go with the JBL. But my mate says he can give me his 12" Sony Pentagonal 1200watt sub for a small price? what you rekon?

[SiR JDM]

get JL audio gear
i have it and love it. i got entry level 12W0-4 sub + e1200 amp. only 125WRMS but sounds beautiful and pounds hard too. if u can find a cheap one i would DEFINTELY recomend the JL 3v2 with a 250-300 watt amp "e1400D"
RMS is not necaserly everything
but ur best bet go to an audio store listen to and listen to a few...like most things in this world u get wat u pay for

Another Voucher!

I gota JL 10" w3v2 and was running it from a 250RSM cadence q3000 amp, now running it from q4000 and its ****ing awesome! JL i have to say (from limited experience however) is definatly fk'n quality in car audio.

Ive had pioneer/MTX in the past as well and they're nothing clarity wise compared to the JL. :)

[EGB16A]

ive heardly a couple of JL subs and they just didnt sound like the have any balls, I heard the 12" kicker square sub in a custom boz and it kicked ass but JB Hi Fi wanted like $700 for the sub alone. Screw that!!! Im thinkin ill go with the JBL. But my mate says he can give me his 12" Sony Pentagonal 1200watt sub for a small price? what you rekon?

save your money and get something better

[spardikis]

Try a Lanzar OPTI Drive... got one and its 1100w RMS, duel voice coil and all that and man does it move! Shake's the little XSI integra hard.... apparently its a us comp type sub or something...

[Per10d]

I have a kicker 12" Square solobaric and they go very good. Can handle lots of power (over 1200 rms) and sound damn good if you box it correctly.

how much is your budget again?

[2NTICN]

around $400

[zoopsta]

Bang for buck = Jaycar

Im not familiar with their subs but their amps are great. For only $249.95, get the Precision Response Car Amp 2x150WRMS (Power / bridged @ 4ohm 14.4V: 500WRMS x 1)

Apparently their subs arent that bad - may be equivalent to Alpine type S or entry level kickers/pioneers.

Get the type S - SWS-1222D $219 - they are 150wrms per coil (its dual voice coil 2ohm).
Wire to present 4 ohm load (wire coils in series) and it will love the power its getting from the amp.

Alternatively, get the Response Car Amp 4x50WRMS (2x160wrms @ 4ohm) - priced at $199.95

Then you get can the DVC model of the type S (SWS-1242D), however this sub is priced at $279

Personally this is the combination i would be getting for that budget

Hope it helps :)

[zoopsta]

Ok hmm,
So after all that i just realised you were only looking for a sub :o

Go get Image Dynamics IDQ12V2, go for it now

Or save a little and get the IDMAX12

After that, you will be laughing :D

[2NTICN]

yeh im mainly looking for a good sub, but having said that, there is not point getting a kick ass sub and running it with a sh!t amp. So yeh recommendations for both subs and amps is appreciated.

[2NTICN]

ive decided on either the JBL or MTX the JBL1000w is on sale for $79. Would this be better than paying a little extra for the Black n red MTX400w sub that is about $119 and its 400

[zoopsta]

man dont get those pieces of sh*t, are you buying from strathfield?

the watt rating on the jbl is peak power and what you should be looking at (both subwoofer and amplifier specs in relation to power) is the rms rating.

trust me man, alpine type S, ive made mistakes with cheapies and u lose more money and you think to yourself, 'why didnt i just get that one in the first place'.

[2NTICN]

how much is the Alpine Type S and where do i get it from? And wat amp should i use to run it, how much and where from again?

[zoopsta]

one company very well recognised and respected in sydney is FHRX


www.fhrxstudios.com (http://www.fhrxstudios.com)

they have a price list there, u can get the sub off there

an even better option would be to buy second hand:

visit: www.caraudioaustralia.com (http://www.caraudioaustralia.com) and go to the forums. Lots of great info there and search up because u will find a lot of helpful stuff

on my last post i recommended the jaycar amp: visit a jaycar store or visit www.jaycar.com.au (http://www.jaycar.com.au) and u can order online (in the search part, look for 'response')

[sivic]

dont know what yr budget is but go a Kicker L7 (upper level square 12") with a 600W mono kicker amp.
my mate has this setup and its nuts. but make sure you get a sufficient size box for it(BIG).
this was run at SPL comp and mopped the floor including various other running 2 x 15" subs of various brands each with ~ 2000w amps.
only probs is it has caused the outer panel of his merc to lift from the frame of the boot.....

[samsider]

fusion

good value for money

[2NTICN]

thanx again to everyone for your advice and help, it is much appreciated!!!

[2NTICN]

having trouble deciding again, i went to get the 1000W JBL but saw a mtx one that looked sick....
http://www.strathfield.com/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=1479
this is the MTX sub i want.
does anyone have this or know how it goes, the dude at strathfiled said the BOSS amp i got should be able to run it if im not running any speakers of it which i wont be.
i will have it in a ported inclosure aswell.....

[mj3610]

hey dude one of my mates just got a fusion powerplant and let me tell ya those things pump like hell, the excursion is incredible and the sub recovers reaaaallly well. he has a 12" powerplant and i got a 15" clarion and his one beats mine is SQ and almost SPL. they're basically the same price as that mtx u wanna buy and they're dual voice coil.

[2NTICN]

whats the difference between a dual voice coil and a single???
what specs do u take into consideration wen choosing a good sub???

[zoopsta]

specs on paper dont mean shit when comparing subs

listen to me and get the image dynamics

anyway:

generally you look at:

xmax
rms
qtc
voice coil diameter

BUT! NOTICE: the quality of the enclose is MORE IMPORTANT - u buy a pre-fabricated box (the ones you can by at jb-hifi or strathies) and it will sound like utter CRAP.
Either make one yourself, get it done professionally to the specs of the subwoofer.

Lastly:

Single voice coil and Dual voice coil differ in terms of wiring flexibility.

With Single voice coil: the impedence is usually 4ohm, therefore you must correct wire it up to the amp to see a 4ohm load (bridge 2 x 2ohm channels or run a monobloc)

With dual voice coil: they usually come in either 2+2 or 4+4. With the 2+2, you can either wire it in series to present a 4ohm load or in parallel to present a 1 ohm load (series: you add the resistance, parallel - you halve it , its basic physics). Same formula with the 4+4 sub.
The DVC comes in very handy, but depends on what type of amplifier you get.

A typical 2 channel amp is good for either a SVC 4ohm or DVC 2+2
A typical 4 channel amp is good for DVC 4+4
A monobloc is good DVC 2+2 if the amp can handle a 1ohm load, otherwise, DVC 4+4 sub for a 2ohm load (not all monoblocs handle 1ohm load)

When i refer to "typical" for the 2 and 4 channel amps, I mean that the amp is stable at 2ohm for each channel (cant go any lower).
More expensive amps however, can be 1ohm stable or less.

Hope it helps

[Newcivic]

I use to have JL 500/1 Mono block Running JL 12" w3v2. Nice setup.

[mj3610]

my mate is givin the fusion powerplant around 200rms (which is nothing for a fusion powerplant) and still with 200rms that sub is incredible even at 4ohms.

[J-MuN]

I use to have JL 500/1 Mono block Running JL 12" w3v2. Nice setup.
yups, nice choice mate. Is your W3 a 2Ohm sub? I hope so. ;)

W3's, i find are one of the best subs around for the price that you pay. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[2NTICN]

what about a 12' Alpine Type S sub??? are they any good and how much are they worth???

[EGB16A]

what about a 12' Alpine Type S sub??? are they any good and how much are they worth???

get a W3.... you won't be disapointed

[oldskoolz911]

hey, about the boss amp.
if you dont want it, i might buy it.. start your price.. that way maybe you can boost your budget up abit to n get better sub n amp ;-]

[2MPRSS]

i had a 12 inch piooner sub in box,the c/f looking ones,very good bass loved it till i sold it

[2NTICN]

well tell me wat u wana pay and ill tell u if i wana take it, coz im not erally looking at selling it, but if u wana gimme a good offer i could consider

[oldskoolz911]

How many channels?
how long have you had it?

I will pay around $85 - $100 depending
Brand new you bought for like 160$ yeh?
thanks

[2NTICN]

4 channels. i bought it about 6months ago but its been sittin in my room for the last 3 becoz i havnt been bothered to put it in my new car

[mrwillz]

pioneer 12's sound good

or infinity subs are the sh!t

[oldskoolz911]

100$? =]

oh and btw here are some reviews on some subz for you.thats if u still looking for the perfect sub...might hav seen it before but yeh.. might hafta resize to 100% to read..
In this review, they test it in differnt Litre boxes and sealed and ported.
cheers :)
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Goodluck

[2NTICN]

yeh how about $120 u can have it now

[mrwillz]

boss amps r rubbish

[lebema43]

rockford fosgate is verry good i have 2 in my Ls

[adammet04]

i have 2 12in type s Alpine subs and im not disappointed with them...however im not audiophile...but i do like my music..not necessarily doof but rock and they subs a do a more than decent job for me..

[south]

If u r after a good mid priced sub, go for the alpine type-R which you can get quite cheaply off ebay ($200-$250). If u have more money to spend i would suggest a boston G5 sub. They pack a really good punch and if connected to a decent amp, won't distort easily. If u have around $450 to spend on a sub, get an alpine Type-X sub off ebay, GREAT subwoofer for its price! These prices are just for the subs themselves, you will still need a sub box, RCA cords, and installation. And buy good quality cables, because it makes a difference!

If u r thinking of buying a new amplifier to compliment your new sub, make sure its a monoblock amp! It will out perform the standard amp when dealing with a subwoofer (but not speakers). And grab your favourite CD and take it to a specialist car audio store, and play it thru their subs to hear what sounds good with the music u listen to. Ie: for hiphop u might want a lower bass and for rock u might want clarity.

If your putting car audio into a teg like i did, u might want to think about sound dampening so your japanese made doors dont rattle with every bass noise! U can buy sound dampening kits where you attach a film to the inside of your door frame then paint sound dampening cement onto the film. It helps stop that rattling but adds extra Kg's to your car (if you really care).

And please dont buy Sony!

South

[2NTICN]

hey thanx alot for that south, alot of help, i really appreciate positive input from someone like urself rather than ppl just coming in here and talkin sh!t....

[adam87]

i have 2 alpine type s in a tiny sealed box and it put ou 142.xdb last weekend on termlab. there a great sounding sub and at a very competitivly price. look at the alpine winter catalogue for deals with them. i think theres one where you fet 2 type s's and a mrdm605 mono block. that would be about 300wrms at 2ohms. make sure you get the 2+2 ohm model so the amp can run at 2 ohms.

[mj3610]

i have 2 12in type s Alpine subs and im not disappointed with them...however im not audiophile...but i do like my music..not necessarily doof but rock and they subs a do a more than decent job for me..
how much power are u running to them? i thought they were both SPL and SQ

[KAR-51K]

new pioneer 12 inch looks hot. 1000w of power. plus theyve changed the back of em so they look sexy when u reverse mount them (terminology? :rolleyes: lol)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: gothe pioneers

[integraz]

go DD1012s or any DDs for good bass and a sub that can handle the power.

pioneer-1000w of power--> peak power.. which isnt realli anything to get excited about.