94 - 97 accord vti

[nugget666]

i tryed searching couldnt find anything.

keeping stock engine. cna you make this things semi fast like enough to beat a stock vx s pack? with out spending big like 5000- 7000$ keeping it NA

I am currently looking into a 1997 vti accord excellet condition im checking it out tomorrow. but am trying to think if i want looks or performance. or a mix i would like a mix but enough to whipe the smile of my mate driving his mums s pack. would it beat a stock r31 non turbo? (rb30)


with a budget of around 5000 - 7000 $ ( for looks and performance)

[SIK_180]

HAHAHA.
sorri mate, u wont get close.
Wellz i dont know much about honda's but i still say they r very slow when it come down to that. Ur a lil 4cly trying to beat a v6, Yea u can but has to b turbocharged or sum sort. I tried draging a vl and i lost HAAHAH. neva do that again!
Try looking for a integra vtir, u will have a chance. If not i dont think so.

[28RAG]

with a budget of around 5000 - 7000 $ ( for looks and performance)

when you say looks do you mean rims, or do you mean full decked out kit, rims, etc etc?

is it manual or auto?

and both cars u wanna beat are 3.0L 6 (r31) & 3.6 (or 3.8?)L V6's your gonna struggle

i think you best bet for NA is the engine swap as many people will tell you, the f22 is a :thumbdwn: engine hence the reason there are a lot of h22a swaps going around

[ekslut]

Not with the standard engine. It just isn't designed for speed. But look into getting a H22A and it should get you close. They are a great engine and go great in the Accords

[filoaccord]

before u attempt to beat a non r31 i suggest to get a h22a. got my car conversion couple of weeks ago and very pleased.. way quicker then the old engine. if u get the conversion done u may be shocked on how many cars u can beat

VTEC YO

[28RAG]

before u attempt to beat a non r31 i suggest to get a h22a. got my car conversion couple of weeks ago and very pleased.. way quicker then the old engine. if u get the conversion done u may be shocked on how many cars u can beat

VTEC YO

its our body kits that make us fast mate :D

[Mike_]

i pull dead even with my mates VT calais, mine has extractors and intake only... Both cars are auto

its not impossible as NA with the stock engine.

Stock r31 non turbo, you might be able to beat... My mate had one, I came close with the same mods. His r31 had intake extractors and exhaust, so it wasnt stock.

But its honestly not a fast car unless you spend money on it. Say 5-7k on the engine alone and you should be right.

[nugget666]

i see you accord all the time up at maloolabah. blue accord. by looks i mean rims and umped on its arse. maybe a kit if icna pick up a cheap one. will be a manual vti. i hope.

but was thiking exhaust headers CAI few other mods. i was thiknig that would give me a good 90rwkws???

[28RAG]

i see you accord all the time up at maloolabah. blue accord. by looks i mean rims and umped on its arse. maybe a kit if icna pick up a cheap one. will be a manual vti. i hope.

but was thiking exhaust headers CAI few other mods. i was thiknig that would give me a good 90rwkws???

im gonna have a 2nd kit soon so if you wanna buy the current one im sure i could come to a deal with you plus a good mate of mine is a spray painter, he can do you a deal on paint and fit. hes done a few cars now. his wife drives that bring pink CRX

also a mate of mine is considering selling his vtis 94 model, manual, stock leather, etc etc.

[nugget666]

more info on the accord please if you could ??? one day did you see an xf falcon with a cardboard bonnet scoop and a cardboard rear wing at maloolabah one day a few weeksn back?

[28RAG]

more info on the accord please if you could ??? one day did you see an xf falcon with a cardboard bonnet scoop and a cardboard rear wing at maloolabah one day a few weeksn back?

yeah i remember that.

ill find out if he's selling it then PM u

[nugget666]

that was my car. out at maloolabah the xf

[Mike_]

Accords are fwd, therefore they have fwkws ;) also you'd probably make close to 90 but not quite. depending on the quality of CAI, headers and exhaust you get.

[h22a accord]

you would be pushed to make 90wkw out of an accord with I/H/E.

keep the motor dead stock unitl you put a h22a in it. You will kill those mates of yours u mentioned.

[nugget666]

whats a h22a conversion cost/./



whats insurance like for a accords?

[DeSloth]

The Accord is not a sports car. I own one, and it's nice and all, but they are far from fast. They only start to bridge the gap between comfort and 'performance'. Without excessive spending (and turning something into what it was never intended to be), you have no chance against 6 cylinders.

Why not just get a skyline? I would if i could, and you can obviously afford it...

[nugget666]

what gives you the impression i can afford one? i know i sure as hell wouldnt want o fork out 3000+ k to insure it


i would love to get a silvia but i thought to my self. i always wanted a honda. there nice looking cars nothing seems to go wrong with them. insurance should be cheaper hten a s13- s14. so i thought why not get a little 4 cyl accord get a good insurance rating do it up geting it looking nice. then later on after i have enough cash get a s15 so insurance wont be so bad once im done with the accord.


So i was wondering what the performance is like in one of these. obviously not good but it wouold whipe the [pants of my current car.. xf falcon and i have beating lancers and other shit boxes lieik htem in it . right now im thinking nice looking accord rims maybe a kit. big ass stereo a nice cruiser in general. and just get I/E/H mods and a few other bit and pieces.

[h22a accord]

The Accord is not a sports car. I own one, and it's nice and all, but they are far from fast. They only start to bridge the gap between comfort and 'performance'. Without excessive spending (and turning something into what it was never intended to be), you have no chance against 6 cylinders.

Why not just get a skyline? I would if i could, and you can obviously afford it...


your wrong.

[nugget666]

care to share some light then?

[h22a accord]

my mate is 26 years old, has an s15 with front mount, aftermarket ball bearing turbo, apexi turbo back zorst, apexi power fc ECU, apexi air filter and 2 stage boost controller.... when running 7 psi my accord is on par with his car.....when he flicks to 14 i get raped!!! insurance is through his dad with him as a nominated driver and it's still $2700 per year.

my accords insurance with h22a is $800 per year.

[h22a accord]

The Accord is not a sports car. I own one, and it's nice and all, but they are far from fast. They only start to bridge the gap between comfort and 'performance'. Without excessive spending (and turning something into what it was never intended to be), you have no chance against 6 cylinders.

Why not just get a skyline? I would if i could, and you can obviously afford it...



i kill every 6 cylinder on the road...and keep up 0-100 with 2 of my mates in xr6 turbos.

i did a h22a conversion ( obviously) and spent a total of 4 grand to do so.

i didntt turn it into something it was never intended to be because alot of jap spec accords came with h22a from the factory.

with the right suspension and engine ( which is very easy to change ) the accord holds it own very well.

its not a sports car but then niether is any commodore , hsv, falcon or fpv on the road.


i still chomp stock skylines and silvias.

[nugget666]

i kill every 6 cylinder on the road...and keep up 0-100 with 2 of my mates in xr6 turbos.

i did a h22a conversion ( obviously) and spent a total of 4 grand to do so.

i didntt turn it into something it was never intended to be because alot of jap spec accords came with h22a from the factory.

with the right suspension and engine ( which is very easy to change ) the accord holds it own very well.

its not a sports car but then niether is any commodore , hsv, falcon or fpv on the road.


i still chomp stock skylines and silvias.


your accord sounds nuts.. may i ask how old are you to get 800$ a year. who is your mate with insruance.? i ask around and htey all said they have changed they quoteon the youngest driver in the car. so insuring under parents name dosnt work any more "aparently"



what is the sohc vtec engine like does it take much of a beating i heard there pretty strong?... because i know i will rev it out a bit.

[razaman]

what is the sohc vtec engine like does it take much of a beating i heard there pretty strong?... because i know i will rev it out a bit.

Yeah they are a strong engine, but don't confuse strong with powerful. They are pretty bullet proof and will take a good beating.

Raz

[nugget666]

yeah sounds good i know i will give it a bit of a thrash... im still in the hooning stage. any major problems found in thses cars?

[razaman]

About six days ago (page 3 in the accord forum):

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24560

[nugget666]

thanks alot man... i have looked through that already thanks alot though.\


BTW.. what is the model name for the accord the 94 - 97 accrods..

[razaman]

Model = CD5

[h22a accord]

your accord sounds nuts.. may i ask how old are you to get 800$ a year. who is your mate with insruance.? i ask around and htey all said they have changed they quoteon the youngest driver in the car. so insuring under parents name dosnt work any more "aparently"



im 26 in 2 weeks. my mate is already 26 but he has a bad driving record and to get insurance with his car was going to be around 4k with JUST CAR . His dad insured it with JUST CAR and listed him as a driver.

[nugget666]

im 26 in 2 weeks. my mate is already 26 but he has a bad driving record and to get insurance with his car was going to be around 4k with JUST CAR . His dad insured it with JUST CAR and listed him as a driver.



He must of managed to get in before they changed it. or i would tell him to double check that he is insured as well for the car. just in case Beucase it was just cars told me they base on youngest driver.

[globevtec51]

no actually if its under your parents it stays roughly the same but the excess if i crash is more ... like 5k more if i crash than my dad lol...

[nugget666]

... whats an accord cost full compo for a 18 year old.

[dundas]

an accord depending on driving records etc.. who u go with and stuff can get for around 1500 or less
depending who with try AAMI website and their online quote its great :D
also forget about being faster than a commenhore :D just make it look better :P without getting defected.. or just turbo n nos it. there u go :D ohh dun forget about the ECU

[nugget666]

i in all serious now im going to make it a nice cruiser. 1500 or less is good im on good behaviour at the momet though. got caught for a few dorfito's .. i thoguht online quotes were never acurate. i would want a insurance that will allow mods.. like bodykit rims stereo .. does aami do that.. or will they just tell me just cars is the go.

[Eclipsor]

Mine is insured with Just Car full comp for $730. It is a 92 Accord import with engine conversion and a few mods that they know about. I thought it was a bargain. I'm 20 but they put me on rating 2 for some reason. Maybe because I havn't had any accidents or something.

They were the only mob that would touch it because of being a private import and the engine. Even tried a few brokers. Never got responses from them. I guess they didn't want to admit defeat when their motto was something along the lines of they enjoy a good challenge of finding insurance.

[DeSloth]

Well I was basically suggesting to just keep your options open, but yeah.. what can you say on a Honda forum..

Silvia or Skyline could easily be had for the price of an accord + $5000 (or 7k!!) modifications. There would be money left over for a good few years of the additional insurance, fuel and registration.

I'm 19 with perfect driving record and fully comprehensive insurance on a totally stock '94 accord is ~2700 from memory. I'm insured for 3rd party property, fire + theft for a little under $500 per year.

H22a Accord, yeah I have no doubts the cars can be made to go fast, but they're not made burn off their own tires, especially with the F22B. They are a comfortable, elegant mid-size sedan with a few sporty features.

I'm gussing you had some hookups to swap an engine for 4k (parts and labour?), and even then you have to allow for a few issues related to pulling the engine out of a car. You'd have other performance enhancements also?

In the end it is also a FWD. Not trying to discourage you or pay out on the Accords (hell, i own one remember). Just keep your options open, get insurance quotes for all the various cars you're interested in - you'll likely be suprised. :)

[nugget666]

Well I was basically suggesting to just keep your options open, but yeah.. what can you say on a Honda forum..

Silvia or Skyline could easily be had for the price of an accord + $5000 (or 7k!!) modifications. There would be money left over for a good few years of the additional insurance, fuel and registration.

I'm 19 with perfect driving record and fully comprehensive insurance on a totally stock '94 accord is ~2700 from memory. I'm insured for 3rd party property, fire + theft for a little under $500 per year.

H22a Accord, yeah I have no doubts the cars can be made to go fast, but they're not made burn off their own tires, especially with the F22B. They are a comfortable, elegant mid-size station wagon with a few sporty features.

I'm gussing you had some hookups to swap an engine for 4k (parts and labour?), and even then you have to allow for a few issues related to pulling the engine out of a car. You'd have other performance enhancements also?

In the end it is also a FWD. Not trying to discourage you or pay out on the Accords (hell, i own one remember). Just keep your options open, get insurance quotes for all the various cars you're interested in - you'll likely be suprised. :)


2700$ for full comp sh*t thats quite a bit . i did a online quote on aami they reckon 1,300$ ( unsure how accurate they are)

[h22a accord]

I'm gussing you had some hookups to swap an engine for 4k (parts and labour?), and even then you have to allow for a few issues related to pulling the engine out of a car. You'd have other performance enhancements also?



i actually did most of the conversion myself, so I didnt have to pay for any labour to install the engine. I used a mates workshop to change the engine.

i got the front cut for $3500 then had to buy an alernator/aircon belt and a few other things.

I got the air-con regassed at the radiator place across the road from work for trade price and the fluids,platinum plugs at trade from honda as my mate works in spare parts. The power steering mod cost me about $100 from pirtek. Another mate is a stereo installer and he did the wiring for me and i detailed his car in return. I then drove it to the exhaust shop and it cost me $70 for the exhaust to be cut and shut.

saved alot of money that way.

[FkjAccord]

HAHAHA.
sorri mate, u wont get close.
Wellz i dont know much about honda's but i still say they r very slow when it come down to that. Ur a lil 4cly trying to beat a v6, Yea u can but has to b turbocharged or sum sort. I tried draging a vl and i lost HAAHAH. neva do that again!
Try looking for a integra vtir, u will have a chance. If not i dont think so.

Really a 4cly cant beat a V6? that cant be right then. ive got an accord and it can beat the standard fords and holdens.

[nugget666]

what is done to you accord???? is it the h22a or thef22a?

[FkjAccord]

f22a Accord.
It is true that it cant beat a 3.8 holden, but after you place an Xtreme Cushion Clutch in its all good. I drag one after i placed it in, the other driver was gear changing and all with his auto, but when i was already in 3rd gear (manual) i pulled away. Should have seen his face. Either his a really shit driver or ??? who knows. Anyway that was some time ago too the clutch cost me around 1500 thats plus labour. Ive done a bit to it now so yeah.. havent drag anyone for ages since the FREaKen petrol prices are so high! lols But its all about having fun i guess.

[nickiipoohz]

what is a f22a? u mean f22b?

[Rico]

I've beaten my friends stock calais a couple of times, and I got a normal exi engine (i want vtec!) but I got some custom mods put in, e.g. cold airintake filter, 3" dual tip exhaust (doubt that actually does much) and well as a spoon sports chip (unsure if this has helped?) and I've got new headers comming in from America, which "supposebly" increase horsepower by 15% which I highly doubt but any tiny bit more of power is worth it. I also had my friends uncle to replace the sparkplugs wif some monster ones. (but i basically know **** all about engines).
I think alot of it depends on the driver aswell as the car but the both of us are driving autos (lol) so not much skill involved there...im saving up to buy a vti-s with a broken engine and doin the h22a swap, but like people have said, the accord isnt really a sports car, it can be, but i rekon its more of a cruiser (from its design)

[FkjAccord]

what is a f22a? u mean f22b?

Sorry dude i was a bit tired last night writing that msg. yes f22b

[FkjAccord]

I've beaten my friends stock calais a couple of times, and I got a normal exi engine (i want vtec!) but I got some custom mods put in, e.g. cold airintake filter, 3" dual tip exhaust (doubt that actually does much) and well as a spoon sports chip (unsure if this has helped?) and I've got new headers comming in from America, which "supposebly" increase horsepower by 15% which I highly doubt but any tiny bit more of power is worth it. I also had my friends uncle to replace the sparkplugs wif some monster ones. (but i basically know **** all about engines).
I think alot of it depends on the driver aswell as the car but the both of us are driving autos (lol) so not much skill involved there...im saving up to buy a vti-s with a broken engine and doin the h22a swap, but like people have said, the accord isnt really a sports car, it can be, but i rekon its more of a cruiser (from its design)

What you said about Accords to be a crusier, well your 100% right dude.. To be honest i just like to max out the cars full potential. with the engine swaps and stuff its alrite but wouldnt it be easier if you just bought a h22a cause the accord is pretty damn heavy if you think about it. Its better to buy yourself a civic and then do a h22a swap. But in a sense still love accords with the conversion though. ^_^
thanks for you times guyss
Hope so see you guys on the road.
Should go for a cruise... Lols

[h22a accord]

i think u will find that an accord isnt much different in weight to a prelude. Having said that, the JDM engines that are used for the majority of swaps are a little bit more highly strung ( ecu, gear ratios )which does give them a performace advantage over a prelude.

h22a is pretty much a drop in engine for the accord, the same can't be said for a civic. In fact, the h22a was designed to fit in an accord unlike a civic.

If you ever get the chance to drive a JDM h22a powered accord you will wonder why they didnt sell them in australia with them from the factory. They feel just as smooth etc as an f22b but without the rattly engine noise you find hear in an f22b.

[poid]

that rattly diesel noise is just part of the character :p

[FkjAccord]

i think u will find that an accord isnt much different in weight to a prelude. Having said that, the JDM engines that are used for the majority of swaps are a little bit more highly strung ( ecu, gear ratios )which does give them a performace advantage over a prelude.

h22a is pretty much a drop in engine for the accord, the same can't be said for a civic. In fact, the h22a was designed to fit in an accord unlike a civic.

If you ever get the chance to drive a JDM h22a powered accord you will wonder why they didnt sell them in australia with them from the factory. They feel just as smooth etc as an f22b but without the rattly engine noise you find hear in an f22b.

True that! nar i havent driven one b4 but i would like to some time. What have you done on your accord may i ask? how much is an engine swap compared to a turbo kit? cause im debating whether to get an engine swap or turbo kit? would know the price differences?
Anyway take care of yourself on the road dude.

ps what area are you at?
laterz

[h22a accord]

Im not sure of the price of a turbo kit, others in the forum that have turbo'd their f22b accord will have a better idea.My conversion was around 4k but i payed next to nothing for labour.
Best bet would be to ask a nickipooz, im fairly sure he got a mechanic to do the swap so he could give you a batter idea.

[Apple]

to those with auto f22b Accords, have you guys ever timed yourself on the 1/4 or have a rough indication of what it will run? I've been told, 17's or high 16's.

I agree with your posts, about a stock Vti being able to beat v6's. Mine is auto, apart from removing the resonator (white box) the car is totally stock. I've done older model commodores, VN, VP, Camrys, Magnas, Verada's, not sure how it would go against the newer commodores though.

yes, its only SOHC, but it also has vtec !!

Alan