b16a2 tuning

[alphabeatsco]

guys, i've only got basic mods,
H/I/E , nothing internal.

would an ECU gain power?
or it's waste of money.

i heard ppl saying chipped P28 with the Skunk2 Program is good.
any idea what they are?

[z3lda]

take it to pornstar ;)

he'll do 300 dyno runs and get you a whopping 100kws atw.

awsome figure!

[alphabeatsco]

i know dat guy, but he does turbos i believe???
im asking if ecu will help me, my current ecu can't be tuned.it's stock.

dats why im asking, wat ecu is good for my mild mods.

[ekslut]

yeah, I beleive that it will help you. It will just get the best out of the mods you have already done, and better the stock tune from honda. Get a tuneable one though, or else I dont think its worth it.

[alphabeatsco]

ok, so wat do ppl recommend for the basic mods i've got.

[Tu88y]

Get a hondata

[bennjamin]

get a lightweight flywheel + HD clutch....be happy with ur mods....OR then take it the next step with a hondata or power FC etc and tune it :)

[**Ghost**]

take it to pornstar ;)

he'll do 300 dyno runs and get you a whopping 100kws atw.

awsome figure!

mate i have no idea y u dissing andy for doing that 4 me?

shows he's a trader who does a meticulous and detailed job:thumbsup: rather than simply plugging something in and calling it a day

I'd recommend him to neone...

[z3lda]

im not disin? im saying what he is cappable of doin and archievin. :thumbsup:

[PaZzMaN-R]

im in the same boat as "alphabeatso" very curious as to know how much of a difference the tuning makes assuming i went out and bought an aftermarked ecu with the same mods as stated by "alphabeatso" then had it tuned??

[type one]

what difference does anyone expect to see really?? Lets really put this all into perspective - what would you be happy with? what gains do you really want to see?

Tuning in my opinion is best used to create driveability hence the word "tuning", as a result of making a car more "driveable" you are indeed making it a more efficient vehicle. A more efficient vehicle undoubtedly will make more power. BUt how much more power you ask?? not 20kw on basic I/H/E mods - if that's what you are after then you will be disappointed.

Having said that tuning SHOULD be seen as a tool to bring your mods together for them to work in unison - you bolt up a header here and an exhaust there, expect your factory ecu to "learn" the different flow characteristics then expect to get more power (this is what everyone's "basic" understanding is - even mine).

What a good ecu should do along with a good tuner is understand what each mod is actually doing for your car and then adjust and smooth and alter accordingly.

Having said ALL of that, by all means go and try different ecu's and different tuners - modifying cars properly is an expensive hobby but we all do it, so don't cut corners.

[ProECU]

take it to pornstar ;)

he'll do 300 dyno runs and get you a whopping 100kws atw.

awsome figure!

300 dyno runs, for only 100kw?
That many dyno runs (figuratively speaking) is excessive engine stress.
I wouldn't be impressed with that

Take it to someone who really knows what they're doing...
If you're in Melb, see James of Hondata.

[hoonda]

hondata :thumbsup:

i have basically the same- b16a2, I/H/E- plus hondata s200. it will 'refine' your present mods, but also has the depth to be adjusted for later mods. as already stated by others , u wont "find" an extra 30KW or woteva in a computer, but it will see that the maximum is acheived from what is already there- an important aspect of allmotor power.

Hondata gives you a great tune, plus if u spend a few hundred more u get some great features (flat stick shifting- its awesome!) some also that can be user adjusted.

im surprised James (BLKCRX) hasnt sniffed this thread out yet.. :p

[**Ghost**]

it wasnt 300 dyno runs, it was 27-30... thats zelda talking...and it was 100kw for an i/h/e b16A with a piggyback (VAFC1)

[BLKCRX]

Hey guys thanks for all your comments, I most certainly have been waiting to put a reply up, but wanted it to be detailed as much as possible.. plus the fact its mum’s birthday today so yeah family comes before cars today ! ehhe



I have tuned so many b16 engines its not funny, Iv said it many times and ill say it again I love the b16 engine ;) so much I was stupid enough to squeeze 400+kw at the wheels out of my own car ! ehhe



Anyway there’s many reasons why I like the b16 engine but yeah that’s not what this thread is about….

The below graph is very much a typically gains seen from tuning a completely stock ECU vs fully tuned with Hondata.

http://www.hondatech.com.au//hondata/kpro/3-web.jpg



There most certainly are gains to be had, although like already mentioned its never going to be massive. There is only so much power you can tune into an engine, iv said it many times and ill say it again tuning does not create magical power. Maximum power is what ever it is, when timing and fuel (and on K engines Cam angle) are set correct and tuned by a expert, if that’s 1kw than that’s all your engine has, if its 20kw well it shows how badly your modifications were running with the standard ECU. Correct high performance tuning will always bring about maximum power, maximum torque, maximum drivability and maximum fuel economy.



I see many car’s that have VAFC in them, or chipped internet EPROM’s and yes some of them are actually better than factory, some are much worse. The difference thow is by putting a fully programmable ECU in your car such as Hondata, or Motec, Autronic, Haltek,& ProECU, this gives the person in charge the your engine (your tuner) the chance to being everything to optimal levels specifically for your car.



Every engine is different, and everyone mod’s there engine differently its for this reason you need a specific and highly definable tuneable ECU solution. The more simple your ECU solution ie cheaper options (VAFC, Eprom Internet Chips, Emanage, Piggyback devices) the less control you have of the engine, thus the less power you can harness from your modifications because you reach the physical limits of the device your tuning. The same although can be said if you go the other way, assuming you take any of the top selling ECU’s with the best features and have them tuned by professionals who know what there doing, there would be absolute no power or drivability difference what so ever ( As long as the product does what its “tuned” to do ) there are expensive ECU’s out there that have some functions ! but they simply don’t work LOL funny that.

Remember Dyno numbers mean bugger all, its just a magical number, who cares if “x” person go “x” on this dyno with “x” ECU and “x” modification, honestly dyno numbers don’t mean a thing… the only thing you can conclude is before and after tuning, and even then sometimes its very hard to do, because for instant ill tune a car on the road and get it 95% to being perfect before going onto the dyno, so the before / after dyno is pointless showing, its not like ill de tune a car for a dyno run 2 make a crappy before graph !! lol now that would be a waste of tuning time.


Anyway if you need any advice or help with regards to tuning your car or anything just call me or email / pm me I’m always more than happy to explain things night or day.


Regards James

[00' coupe]

thanks for the great info BLKCRX... u made the whole ECU thing clear... good work