94 EG hatch breeze - single carby .. is it 1.5 or 1.3?

[timmya2]

im confused as to what engine size my car has.

its a 94 breeze (no air con) single carby..

but rta papers says 1.5 litres

did the 1.5 litre engine come in single carb?

cheers

[[[d a n n y]]]

1.5L are dual carbies.

the single carbies are 1.3L

most later model breezes are dual carbs

[timmya2]

so there was no 1.5 litre single carb honda engine?

[[[d a n n y]]]

nope not that i am aware of

[michael_antoi]

the dual carbs are single point injectected aren't they?

which civics are dual point injected?
I hear about dual point to multi-point conversions...

[mj3610]

i've got a 95 breeze which is the newest and its 1.5 single carb, but im not 100% sure, how do u know if its dual carb? 2 air filters or something?

[[[d a n n y]]]

i've got a 95 breeze which is the newest and its 1.5 single carb, but im not 100% sure, how do u know if its dual carb? 2 air filters or something?

u got a EG4 it's a GL GL's have 1.5L twin carby
breeze is a EG3 1.3L single carby

[mj3610]

couldnt be a GL cause they have power options. its thishttp://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesearch/Detail.asp?key=HOND95BR

is there any way u can tell physically if its twin carb?

[[[d a n n y]]]

ah.k
i know what u mean
u porbably have the EFi breeze
which is not a carby
those EFi's breeze have the same motor as GL but it's fuel injected not carby
but the question is

is breeze a singly Carby or Dual carby

EG3 breeze is a single carby and never cam out in Dual carby
your's is a EFi breeze which was chassis coded as EG4

yours cannot be a carby as carby's method of delivery is mechanic
whilist the EFi is electronic

[mj3610]

well defenitely says its EG4, but i wouldve thought if its a GL it wouldve had power options.
IS THERE ANY WAY U CAN TELL PHYSICALLY IF ITS A TWIN CARB? cause i remember i saw a post here on a dual carby and mine didnt look like that.
thx dude

[[[d a n n y]]]

well defenitely says its EG4, but i wouldve thought if its a GL it wouldve had power options.
IS THERE ANY WAY U CAN TELL PHYSICALLY IF ITS A TWIN CARB? cause i remember i saw a post here on a dual carby and mine didnt look like that.
thx dude

lol yours isnt a carby mate
your's is a EFi...(the better 1 )
the twin carby have their lunch box ( carby) located behind the manifold
whist the single 1's have it on top of the engine

[mj3610]

LOL bro if it was Efi i wouldve modded the sh*t out of it by now believe me. its a carby im sure. im young but not that stupid to not be able to tell the diff between a carb and a efi. but i dont know what a dual carb looks like so i dunno if mine dual carb.

[[[d a n n y]]]

post a pic of your engine bay
let us see
i am pretty sure it's a EFi
only the latest models breezes came out with EFi's
and it says EFi on the link u posted up

method of delivery :Electrical
EFI: Electronic Fuel injection

if i am wrong then i think it's a breeze that i have never seen
anyhow show us the pics mate

[mj3610]

i cant be farked registering with photobuket can i send it to u and u post it up? gimmie ur email or something

[michael_antoi]

just use www.imageshack.us

i'm interested to see it too

[mj3610]

gimmie 10 mins ;)

[[[d a n n y]]]

http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/225973.jpgGl engine bay
1.5L twin carby
http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/710102.jpg

1.3L breeze engine single carby
http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/785809.jpg
and this is a 1.6L EFi Gli engine

so which 1 is yours???

[mj3610]

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8244/picture0031tb.jpg

[michael_antoi]

dual carby man

[[[d a n n y]]]

strange..
looks same as a 1.3L carby
but on the rego it says 1.5L?
hm..that's new..
i know that the dual carbys have there carbys behind the engine

[mj3610]

yeah rego says 1493.
one of u saying its dual carb and the other saying single carb? :confused:

[[[d a n n y]]]

this is new to me so i wont comment no more

looks like a single carb to me

[michael_antoi]

it's dual carb, mine looks identical

www.redbook.com.au should have the answers for u

[mj3610]

ok thx fellas

[[[d a n n y]]]

yeah but on the red book it doesnt say carby
it' says electrical dleivery single port injection which means it's a EFi.

i looked up on the 92 breeze and gl it says carby on it and method of delivery is mechanical

[ECU-MAN]

92-93 Breeze had a D13B2 engine. 1.3l SOHC single carb

93-95 Breeze had a D15Z2 engine, 1.5l SOHC dual carb

no 1.5 in AUDM came with single carb, only dual carb

honda did not release single port injection, only multi port, so singe carb and dual carb are mechanicaly carburettor style with an ecu and sensors for emmissions.

after 96 no honda had a carb all are PGMFI.

the Ghetto civic was then called CXI

[[[d a n n y]]]

thought so
it's a dual carb

but does that mean his engine is a D13B?

[ECU-MAN]

in AUDM no 1.3 was dual carb
so no

[[[d a n n y]]]

okay that's solved

[Eclipsor]

I had a 94 Breeze. Looked the same as the pic posted by mj3610. Isn't this a single downdraft dual throat carb?

http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006543ij.jpg

I thought that it has a primary throat with the main throttle flap. Then a secondary throat that opens at a certain rpm. Close up here:

http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006566xl.jpg

[mj3610]

hey what does a dual carb do and wat are some of the advantages of a dual carb anyways?
ECU-MAN :thumbsup: great info dude thx

[Eclipsor]

Dual carbs have two seperate carb mechanisms. Each carb feeds two cylinders each. Pic of a pair I was working on here. Seen from underneath if it was attached to a car:

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006931dd.jpg

Pretty sure there are power gains from the dual carbs compared to the single. Maybe more even a/f distribution between the cylinders because each one is only distributing to two each.

I attempted swapping to the dual carbs however was foiled by the damn emmissions connections.

[michael_antoi]

would it be hard/expensive to swap from carb to efi?

[timmya2]

ok ok lemme get this straight.

so everone is saying that mj3610's engine is infact a 1.3 litre single carb.. even though it says 1493LT in the rego papers?

mines exactly the same.. and mine is a 94 breeze.. says right there EG4..
which means that this info :

92-93 Breeze had a D13B2 engine. 1.3l SOHC single carb

93-95 Breeze had a D15Z2 engine, 1.5l SOHC dual carb

no 1.5 in AUDM came with single carb, only dual carb

honda did not release single port injection, only multi port, so singe carb and dual carb are mechanicaly carburettor style with an ecu and sensors for emmissions.

after 96 no honda had a carb all are PGMFI.

the Ghetto civic was then called CXI

is wrong?

[mj3610]

nah man my engine is dual carb 1.5L, ECU-MAN is right. if urs is 1.5L then its a dual carb.

[Eclipsor]

I disagree. Isn't the pictures in my first post on this page of a single carb? ecu-man?

Or was there two different types of dual carbs fitted to hondas.

[SiR JDM]

This may or may not be relivent but you shouldn't rely on papers from the RTA (well atleast Vic Roads)

Tare Weight, Car Type (Hatch/Coupe/Sedan), even colour are oftern wrong and have been on my previous cars.

Check your engine code and refer back to John (ECU MAN's) post and you'll see which engine / specs you have.

[timmya2]

but wait a second mj3610 , someone said your engine is definately a SINGLE carb...

and by the looks of it (http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8244/picture0031tb.jpg).. it definately is.. the dual carby versions, says DUAL carby in big letters and its at the back of the engine bay.not on top like its shows in yours.

[[[d a n n y]]]

yes in the picture it is definately a single carby

[timmya2]

ok glad thats cleared..

so ECu-MAns info is not 100% correct.

94 breezes did come with 1.3 litre single carbed engines

[[[d a n n y]]]

ok glad thats cleared..

so ECu-MAns info is not 100% correct.

94 breezes did come with 1.3 litre single carbed engines

by my knowledge
the later model breezes came with EFI fuel systems
same engines as the GLi's ( just no power options)
but the picture definately looks like a 1.3L singly carby D13b
the 1.5L's were the dual carby engined GL's

[timmya2]

yeh so in conclusion.. the 1.5Ls never came out with a single carb.. nor did the DUAL CARBY models ever come out with an air filter on top of the engine bay as showned in mj3610 engine bay. Which suggests that mj3610 engine is in fact a 1.3L single carby.

Its probably RTA that got it wrong. Mine looks EXACTLY like that mj3610, and it even says 1493L in the rego papers...

so theres probably a big mixup on what kind of engine these 94 breezes had..

also ECU-MANS previous info he posted is not 100% correct, as i have a 94 breeze (EG4) with a single carby 1.3L engine.

done

[[[d a n n y]]]

hm..yes funny though.

EG3 is a breeze
EG4 is a GL..
maybe the Gl got replaced as the budget civic entry
as soon as the EFi GLi's cam out

[Eclipsor]

The d15z2 is a 1.5L single carb. There were no badges on mine saying if it was a gl or a breeze. However it was an eg4 with a d15z2. Power steering, air con, no sunroof, no power windows, no power mirrors. There was no gl in 94 though so I think it is a breeze. The eg4 model must have become the breeze when the gl stopped being released since the new breeze had a 1.5L engine.

I know I seem to be contradicting what everyone is saying but I'm just saying what my car had.

Unless there is a second type of dual carbuerettor design used by honda in the eg's that is a downdraught type and looks very similar to the single carb used in the early breezes then I believe what I am saying is true.

Timmya2 check your engine code. On the left hand side of the engine about half way down. It should be a d15z2 and like you concluded above you have a single carb.

[mj3610]

i just checked my engine bay and it DEFINITELY is a D15Z2 it says it on there. according to ECU-MAN thats a 1.5L dual carb.

[timmya2]

OK.. (re-writing the conclusion again)

so 1.5Ls did infact come with single carbies.. so mine would be a SINGLE CARB 1.5L engine, and i guess yours is too mj3610 - as your carby is on the top and doesnt say DUAL carby anywhere.

ok so thats all cleared up now..

anymore dissagreements?

[mj3610]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12619&page=3&pp=12 <<< in here elipsor says its a dual carb and now he says its a single carb? i remember seeing a dual carb engine on ebay and it didnt say dual carby on it man.

[Eclipsor]

ooo sorry. that was a bad post you referenced to. Disregard that. Talking out of my ass because someone had told me thats what I had. I have since come to think otherwise as you can see.

I asked this question over at dseries forums. There is a massive thread there about carbs. Swaps, mods etc... They are very knowledgable. http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?p=300239#post300239

Have a read through there if you'd like more info on Honda carbs.

[mj3610]

ok everyhting solved, conclusion = MY car is a B15Z2 1.5L single carb which is what i thought it would be before i posted anything on this thread LOLLL

[timmya2]

lol

awsome thread though..

made me realise how much fuel i will save if i put the 1.3L engine in :)

that would be sweet..

btw is the 1.3L carby is better on fuel than the 1.5L EFI engines?

cheers

[[[d a n n y]]]

well my breeze today did 400kms on a 30dollar tank around 28L

that's city and urban driving

[timmya2]

so is that good... im lousy with numbers

[mj3610]

mine does 400km off a full tank too, but nowdays petrol gone up mine fills up with $40. yeah timmy thats not bad. the 1.3L should get around 450

[teddychan]

I hv a 95 breeze and it usually gets 500km off a full tank or 450km with air on all the time. Lovely especially with the high rate petrol these days.

[[[d a n n y]]]

havent tried full tank yet but should do around the same or abit more

i know my last 1 it lasted for 600kms

[jackosimm]

Question answered,

There's a thread on how much your getting from a tank going here (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10116).

*closed*

[ECU-MAN]

this thread has been locked, im only posting coz I can, to clear a few things up

I know some of you dudes have been saying my info is not 100%

just remember that you can have a car built in nov/dec 93 and stamped as a 94 coz thats when it enters the contry. Honda stops making these cars in 93, and there made in batches, so what ever cars are left over are stamped in 94 making it a 94.

i also seem to be wrong about 1.5l only being single carb.

my 97 purchased delsol ( march 97 ) was built in DEC 96, complied as a 97. hope this clears up the info I posted.