Buying a jazz [Archive] - Ozhonda Forums

chicken8

06-09-2005, 10:51 PM

guys. currently i have a 5th gen honda prelude. but with petrol prices im seriously thinking of getting a VTI jazz

so just a few questions as to what to get. better to get manual or CVT?

how much should i be looking at?

which years jazz should i get? 2001-2005??

is there any known faults with the jazz?

and what should i look for when buying a jazz

all info would be great.

aka_NSX

07-09-2005, 12:05 AM

for me i like cvt thats what i got
i think jazz start from late 02 not 01, and year model it doesnt really matter, the main thing is as long as you can get good deal,
as far as i know i never heard any bad review on jazz

civiceg9

07-09-2005, 12:56 AM

Honda Demo Clearance on now! Jazz VTi auto from $17,990 drive away! Demonstrator clearance on now at Robert Lane Honda. Huge savings across our range.

Just saw it in The Age, amazing at how cheap it is now and Robert Lane is one of the most expensive Honda dealers. :p

chicken8

07-09-2005, 11:08 AM

well im in sydney so i cant really pop down to melbourne and pick it up

and also i think the new jazz are coming out so they're getting rid of the old 1s?

or is the jazz Vibe it??

vividjazz

07-09-2005, 11:24 AM

The 2005 Jazz was the the only facelift since 2002. It was release around Oct 2004. Minor cosmetic differences - stereo, headlights, body kit on VTi-S.

The vibe like the classic just added some extra equipment standard. Honda alloys and spoiler on the classic. Special colour and 6 stacker on the vibe.

If they did a facelift this year I don't think they are going to do a completely new model next year. Some countries are going to get the vtec model for the 1st time next year.

CVT gives better fuel economy (not much in it). The manual is highly geared for the open road (revs higher for the same speed) and actually has a lower top speed (not that you can legally use it). The market for the manual is more restricted (this could be to your advantage if purchasing 2nd hand).

Jus-10

07-09-2005, 11:27 AM

I'll sell you my complete car as is.

chicken8

07-09-2005, 11:53 AM

STTICH

07-09-2005, 01:06 PM

I'll sell you my complete car as is.

keep ur car jus :)

sassy_fit_vtit

07-09-2005, 01:10 PM

second hand is always cheaper.. i mean once you buy a new car even if you havent driven it.. it depreciates..

the only fault in the jazz... well is thewindscreen wipers.. mine fliped and scratched my glass.. lol..

you can do heaps with a jazz... i mean i turbo charged mine

ahcash

07-09-2005, 01:17 PM

so the manual would be cheaper?

but then resale would also be cheaper?

i dun like the honda stereo. would much prefer it to be after market

so which year model, kms, and price would u think is best?

im not buying today or tmr. im waiting for petrol to come down. if it doesnt then im advertising my prelude. but i really love my prelude. for me it would feel like a downgrade to go to a jazz. and i don't think i can drive a stock car, but im worried ppl will laugh at me if i mod the jazz. especially if i chuck on an exhaust and ppl are gunna say its a 1.5L why bother and shit like that

Try http://www.redbook.com.au for the value of current jazzes.

Waiting for the fuel prices to come down??? I think you will be waiting forever... not likely to happen in a short term.

Don't think ppl will laugh at you when you mod your Jazz... if they do.. they don't know sh*t...

Jus-10

07-09-2005, 04:45 PM

im worried ppl will laugh at me if i mod the jazz. especially if i chuck on an exhaust and ppl are gunna say its a 1.5L why bother and shit like that

Who exactly would you be buying the car for? You or everyone else?

I know plenty of people that would refer to the Prelude as a bit of a hairdressers car...maybe that will turn you off owning that now :D

But seriously that whole generalisation of the Jazz being a girls car is all part of the fun and attraction...Those that think that are the ones that simply don't know or understand the Jazz.

It's fine by me if everyone wants to bag my car, or the Jazz in general....it can keep up with the average falcadore but still uses 1/3 of the fuel!

Looks like I should be doing all the laughing....

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

DHOCHKG

07-09-2005, 04:55 PM

is it worth..?
i got the same question too..!
My gf is think of getting a car either of civic(Ek) or the jazz..!
Wat would ur choice..?

Jus-10

07-09-2005, 05:36 PM

is it worth..?
i got the same question too..!
My gf is think of getting a car either of civic(Ek) or the jazz..!
Wat would ur choice..?

You're asking that in a Jazz forum?

spoon fit

07-09-2005, 06:10 PM

is it worth..?
i got the same question too..!
My gf is think of getting a car either of civic(Ek) or the jazz..!
Wat would ur choice..?

JAZZ

kuso

07-09-2005, 06:25 PM

:arrowr::arrowr::arrowr::arrowr::arrowr::arrowr:EK 4 definitely.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup ::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Even with these fuel prices. EK4 is the best car u can get imo

civiceg9

07-09-2005, 06:50 PM

Jazz man, save on the expensive Sydney fuel; $1.40 now is it?
EK is an old car, unless is a EK4 :D

TypeG

07-09-2005, 07:41 PM

lol
EK is not as good as u think even EK4
a ITR will be better
LOL

kuso

07-09-2005, 07:56 PM

I think EK is perfect for everyday. ITR is more a performance car. If you know what I am trying to get at.

chicken8

07-09-2005, 07:58 PM

the car is for me only. had it for awhile

and its prolly 1 of the best preludes around cause even now its only got 54,000km on it. and it was my dream car. so i know if 1 day i was to go back to a prelude i wont get 1 with low kms like that and kept in the condition i kept it.

right now im looking jazz purely cause of petrol prices. but i dun want a prius or something cause i want personality and i like the car club experience as preludeaustralia is really strong in terms of meets and events.

my options are either go to jazz and save on petrol and insurance. or go to S2000 and save on petrol but a bit more in insurance.

but the S2000 is 6yrs old. almost 7yrs.

cant make up my mind, and dunno when i should put my prelude on the for sales page

kuso

07-09-2005, 08:01 PM

I'd say keep your prelude then for a bit longer.

chicken8

07-09-2005, 08:09 PM

do u think theres a new jazz coming out soon?

cause there arent many cars in the ultra small car family. and even less with performance

i wouldn't get an echo sportivo, just cause its weird. wouldn't get a peugot 206 GTI/GTI180 just cause its too yuppy and after that theres not too many other cars to consider

but if petrol keeps rising or even stays at this level im gunna change cars.

even a S2000 has less fuel consumption than the prelude. prelude is more than 11L/100km whereas S2000 is 9L/100km

spoon fit

07-09-2005, 08:15 PM

do u think theres a new jazz coming out soon?

fall 2006...maybe

kuso

07-09-2005, 08:29 PM

The little you save on petrol you pay back on insurance. Can't really compare like that.

Jazz I guess is good for fuel saving car. Although performance wise still not that outstanding, I think it is alright and can look decent with some basic visual tweaking. But I am a jazz driver and if I were to choose again, I would still go for the EK >< --> my personal preference

chicken8

07-09-2005, 08:50 PM

ok now final questions

what colour jazz

and cvt or manual

spoon fit

07-09-2005, 08:55 PM

white manual vtis

chicken8

07-09-2005, 08:59 PM

i wont get VTIS cause im gunna change the front bar

i'll change the whole kit to be honest so its a waste of money

i saw some fit's with sunroof. is that an option or does it have to be aftermarket?

are there fit's here with sunrooves?

spoon fit

07-09-2005, 09:08 PM

then get white manaul vti
the sunroof is option, abt $2xxx

chicken8

07-09-2005, 09:29 PM

i'd have to get a brand new jazz then

and gotta order and wait for it eh?

i was looking at 2nd hand cause so many cheap 1s out there

havent seen 1 with sunroof for sale 2nd hand tho

STTICH

07-09-2005, 09:35 PM

if i were to get another jazz..i'd go for vivid blue :thumbsup: its starting to grow on me :)

chicken8

07-09-2005, 09:49 PM

really hard to mod tho

white easiest to make it look racey

blacks easiest to make it pimp

the rest are just in between sorta

altho i do reckon black cars keep value better than most other colours and are easier to sell

swat

07-09-2005, 10:17 PM

。。。。。。。。if u have a Vivi blue or black then u gonna wash it more often than white.........and dont forget ! with bucket......i really hate that....

vividjazz

07-09-2005, 11:54 PM

。。。。。。。。if u have a Vivi blue or black then u gonna wash it more often than white.........and dont forget ! with bucket......i really hate that....

The vivid blue certainly isn't like black. Red shows up the dirt far more than vivid. Black shows up scratches and stone chips like no tomorrow. Having owned black, blue (light and dark), red, yellow and white cars the temperature difference even with air & 20% dark tint between black and any other colour is enormous in Summer. Can't deny black looks good but everyone I know who has had a black car doesn't buy another. Live and learn.

vividjazz

08-09-2005, 10:31 PM

The prelude can't be that thirsty on fuel? Its not like it is a 6ltr HSV V8 or a 4 tonne 4WD or even a Falcon or Commodore 6.

Have you done the figures? Your going to save maybe what $10 a week on fuel?

If you only carry yourself in the car what about a motorbike or scooter? It will be alot less than a Jazz. Honda VTX1800 or Gullwing and the like excluded.

Pogi

08-09-2005, 10:44 PM

ive got a black vti '05 jazz cvt

its pretty sweet looking..but needs a body kit...foggies and a sun roof..other than that..its not bad

definitely opt for the black...but ur girl might prefer a cvt for convenience

chicken8

09-09-2005, 02:17 PM

vividjazz

09-09-2005, 09:17 PM

5th gen prelude is 11L/100km in city

i fill up full tank (52L into it, altho its 60L tank) and costs me $70

for that i get 450km-480km.

in a jazz my uncle gets 600km there abouts from $35-$40

so really i save more than $10

i drive 300km a week on average

Maths time-
You use 33 litres of fuel per week to do 300km in the Prelude that costs you $1.35 a litre according to your figures. Total $44.55.

You won't get 600km out of the jazz unless you drive like a grandpa. Lets optimistcally say you putter around and get 7L/100km. And you won't get that after you wack body kits (extra weight) and big wheels (heaps more rolling resistance) on it. 21 litres of fuel to do 300km at $1.35 a litre. Total $28.35.

You save $16.20 a week.

Now lets compare that to me. I do 500km per week. Used to have a Falcon ute that chewed 15L/100km. 15x5x1.35=$101.25 compared to the Jazz 7x5x1.35=$47.25 saving $54 per week.

Now lets look at your return on investment. How much are you going to get to sell your existing car and how much is the Jazz going to cost to buy? Divide the difference by your weekly saving to find out how many years its going to take before you save a single cent.

In my case sold the ute for $16,000. Bought the Jazz for $25,000. That $9,000 difference is going to take 166.6 weeks to recoup. 166 weeks is more than 3 years. This will be reduced a bit if we increase the per litre cost of fuel used in the above calculations but not that much. Still going to be years not months.

How many years before you break even?

chicken8

10-09-2005, 10:14 AM

vividjazz

10-09-2005, 10:46 AM

i can sell my prelude for 20k

i can buy a 2nd hand jazz vti for 17k

and also insurance for jazz is 1100. for prelude its 1500. so theres another savings

i reckon if i drove a jazz i'll be saving more than $1000 a year

but yeah. theres been word that petrol might be dropping in the near weeks. so i'll see how it all goes

Good point I didn't factor in the insurance aspect. Its the opposite for me my insurance premium went up from the ute to the Jazz not down even though the cars purchase price was lower.

In fact you can insure a brand new BMW M3 for $400 more than a new Jazz. Bit of a purchase price difference there. Remember next time you see a $150,000 car smile your excessive insurance premium is subsidising him.

swat

10-09-2005, 10:54 AM

the sad thing is jazz doesn't deliver a 140kw like prelude..........miss my S15......most time when i try to overtake.....

vividjazz

10-09-2005, 10:57 AM

The $3,000 changeover at $16.20 a week is going to take 185 weeks or over 3.5 years to recoup.

Factor in your $400 per annum insurance saving. Adds $7.69 a week to your saving. So $23.89 a week saving. Brings it down to 125 weeks or just under 2.5 years to break even.

You also sound like your not going to enjoy driving a Jazz. The enjoyment difference between your lude and the Jazz in your case is priceless and no amount of years is going to recoup it.

Personally I find the Jazz buckets of fun and recouped my investment the 1st moment I drove it.

chicken8

10-09-2005, 12:34 PM

i can sell the prelude more than i'd have to fork out for the jazz

so money isnt the issue

the main issue for me is that now i dun feel like driving cause its just becoming such a rip that it just seems not sensible for me to be the only person in the car being stuck in traffic for 2hrs everyday doing a round trip of 32kms

the other issue is i cant drive a stock car. i will have to mod it. i dunno if i'd feel as good getting out of a modded jazz. i might be feel a bit weird. whereas getting out of a prelude u feel like king shit and u hold ur head up high.

i agree the jazz is 1 of the best small cars around. shits on almost anything else around in the same price bracket and fuel economy. but my friends are just saying how if i mod it to the extent that i want to. it'll be a big waste of time and money and i'll feel stupid getting out of a jazz with mods totalling up to 1/2 the cost of the car.

i think my best bet right now is to wait until petrol stabilizes, and perhaps get a s2000 next year or something. as the s2000 uses 2L/100km less than the prelude

kuso

10-09-2005, 01:10 PM

maybe you should havea peep at TypeG's jazz. It is modded quite a bit. If you want to go to that extent - that is what it will turn out like. Or you can look at STTICH / MrFit in the gallery. Their jazzes are modified enough as well.

Jus-10

10-09-2005, 02:34 PM

Man this is funny...."getting out of a prelude u feel like king shit and u hold ur head up high". WTF man!?!

Umm sorry to break it to you but it is just a Prelude...driving a Jazz myself, when I see someone getting out of a Prelude I don't feel at all overwhelmed by their superiority.

Bottom line is, don't buy a Jazz....your friends obviously don't like it, you assume the rest of the world will see you as being an "inadequate" male for driving one and most importantly, you can't hold your head high when you get out to go to your high-flying job.

If you're so worried about fuel prices, buy a bike and ride to work...and keep the Prelude

Jazzle

10-09-2005, 11:47 PM

haha.. agree with jus_10..
i think u should keep ur prelude.. it gives u pride and shit... if ur to change a car to another.. it shoudl be becoz u will become a happier man... ;)
and i think ur either lookin up the prelude to high.. or looking down the jazz too low.. it's not as bad as u think... perhaps try go for some test drives bro before u decide bro?

btw.. s2000 is sick!!!! but if only becoz of fuel prices... can u really save much by cahnging from prelude to s2000??

Catcha

11-09-2005, 03:57 AM

hahaha can't drive a stock car ????? who are you kidding. Petrol prices are going up and it will add maybe 5-10 bucks extra per fill and depending what fuel you use. Can't afford that extra $10 in the fuel tank ?

I for one will get rid of your mates, if they are real mates they won't care what you drive. you maybe king shit but your also full of shit as well.

I personally think a modding a jazz performance wise is a waste of time i'll agree with u there chicken8 and also a prelude is also a waste of money......wanna mod cars to make it go faster think turbo, wrx, evo, 200sx

spoon fit

11-09-2005, 07:14 AM

i think my best bet right now is to wait until petrol stabilizes, and perhaps get a s2000 next year or something. as the s2000 uses 2L/100km less than the prelude

go ahead...:rolleyes:

chicken8

11-09-2005, 10:48 AM

i've driven a manual vti jazz already

it did surprise me the amount of power that it had

with a fast shift u get wheelspin going from 1st to 2nd

im not saying that a prelude is a fast car. its faster than the jazz but im not gunna go racing STIs and S15s

i want a nice cruiser car. and prelude is 70% cruise 30% performance. but the jazz is 20% cruise 20% performance and 60% economical.

im not paying out the jazz as i think its a great car. and i would definately change to a jazz when petrol goes over $1.50 a liter. but i just see the economical side of the jazz as the main incentive to getting it, whereas alot of jazz owners see the jazz as the car of their dreams.

anyways. i think alot of ppl are starting to think i came here to talk down the jazz. it wasnt my intention

STTICH

11-09-2005, 12:00 PM

no worries chicken8.. this is a forum, you hav the right to express urself. :thumbsup:

but honestly.. from reading this thread.. my advise is not to get a jazz. mayb its just not quite suitable for ur living style/standards? there are heaps of other cars out there for u to choose. :)

all the best.

PLES2K

11-09-2005, 01:38 PM

Catcha

11-09-2005, 02:23 PM

chicken8. by the time you trade down and lost money on your car and then trade up to a s2000 .that there already would have covered your fuel cost already in depreciation, and all the stamp duty and stuffing around, and the time and effort selling and buying and looking.

Might as well stick with what you have, A jazz will never be your type of car cause it just doesn't provide what you after. Economy and power. you will just be wasting your money in the end cause you'll realise modding it is just a waste of time cause it doesn't meet your expectations, Hate to wonder what you have to spend to get the same sort out power as your current prelude 5g-10g ????

I'll bet you'll want to sell the car in 6 months,and with the peer pressures of your mates laughing at you for driving Jazz, I don't think you be able to play with the big boyzs anymore

chicken8

11-09-2005, 05:55 PM

yeah, i thought abt all that. thats y im so hesitant to change to s2k. even tho the money's there

takes too long to sell my car and takes too long to find the right s2k

went to a dealership to do a trade in on a s2k. asking price was 40k for the s2k and after trade in and stuff i needed 20k change up. he would sell the s2k outright for 37k. so if i sold my car private and get the s2k i'd save 3k. but times the issue

and stamp duty is another 1000 straight out. and s2k is a 2 seater. not very convenient at times.

but yeah. my decision will be solely based on petrol prices right now. theres been talks of $2 a liter by xmas. if that happens a full tank in the prelude is $100 and that'll last me 9-10 days. by then the jazz will be the much smarter choice.

with regards to the speed. the jazz actually feels fast. altho its not as fast as some of the other cars. but it feels quite fast. if u don't look at the speedo then 80 does feel like 100. this will be even more so if i dump it 2inches or something

Catcha

11-09-2005, 06:18 PM

Hey look at it this way you talk about fuel hitting 2 litres, And if it does, will you ever get your s2000 then ? I guess the jazz is your choice of car in the near future whether you like it or not or any other fuel efficient car and the s2000 will be just a dream car for you

vividjazz

11-09-2005, 06:26 PM

Why not consider the Hybrid Civic or a Toyota Prius (though they're so expensive - the Toyota that is)? Economy will be even better than the Jazz.

The Prius comes with some cool gear especially if you get the technology pack.
$17K for a '99 model. $26K for '03.

spoon fit

11-09-2005, 06:28 PM

Toyota Prius :thumbsup:

chicken8

11-09-2005, 06:46 PM

spoon fit

11-09-2005, 07:01 PM

so u want performance, stylish and save petrol?

asiansquad

11-09-2005, 07:53 PM

Do you need a practical car? My cousin has a jazz and it is more roomy than i though, i like it. :)

Anyways, when i drive my brothers' 5th gen prelude i save more petrol than my S2000.

This is because when i drive the s2k, i have the temptation to rev it more, so better not to compare the s2k to a prelude if you want to save petrol. (different cars usually make you drive differently)
Compare the s2k to a RX8, 350z or a Boxster instead.

lol rx8's eat petrol like crazy

i drove my friends rx8 from box hill to city...cost me $10 petrol last night...was just cruising as well..haha

but seriously chicken8..if u and ur friends dislike the jazz..there's no point in getting it...i got my jazz coze i had no choice

since u love ur lude so much...should go get a skooter or bike..u'll save alot more money on petrol

spoon fit

11-09-2005, 08:08 PM

i got my jazz coze i had no choice

:rolleyes: hehe~ :rolleyes:

Catcha

11-09-2005, 08:34 PM

but that'll lack any performance, and not very stylish.

i been thinking abt a jazz alot lately cause when fuel hits $2 a liter. my car wont sell for much and the jazz will hold value alot. so i'll lose money in the swap then as compared to swapping now.

we shall see what happens.

this petrol thing is ridiculous tho.

Jazz doens't need a fuel rise crisis to hold its value, it's just going to be a bonus as people will reconsider what car they are going to get next or trade down like you. I bet your mates are all laughing at you now cause you have to trade down to a small car.

The jazz certainly will not have the looks, performance, or the bang for your bucks that your after.

you want something that has performance style and performance, go get a motocycle, fast as a wrx, cheap as chips to run compared to a jazz, can be modified to go faster, and you look very cool....chicks dig it, so they say

chicken8

11-09-2005, 09:17 PM

lol motorbike

i borrowed my cousins 250cc for 6 months when i was in high school. stopped riding tho. its a bitch. everywhere u go u got a helmet with u. the "i ride a bike and i rule" factor wears out after a week.

the worst is mid summer 40 degrees and u're wearing a heavy leather jacket. u dun wanna risk wearing a singlet and shorts in case u crash.

i stopped riding cause a mate of mine crashed and died.

when petrol hits $2 and im faced with driving a jazz or catching a train then its a very hard decision. even if i had to drive a datsun 180b i'd drive it. and having a jazz to drive is actually a bonus. althout hearing how the vtec isnt really audible is kinda disappointing

asiansquad

11-09-2005, 09:20 PM

train would probably be the chapest solution..but it wont be comfrotable

chicken8

11-09-2005, 10:22 PM

i wouldn't catch a train unless my life depended on it

i worked for railcorp NSW as a project manager. i quit beginning of last month

the tangara trains and the millenium trains are pretty good. the old electric fleet is 60yrs old and well past their due by date. and the tangaras are starting to have trouble. theres problems with the rolling stock thats y theres delays. we dont have the balls to run the trains quicker and be on time, because its just not safe.

plus with all the terrorism. chances of terrorism occuring on public transport compared to in my care is a big difference

didnt want to scare any1