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PaZzMaN-R
10-09-2005, 01:58 PM
hey guys,
i was out for breakfast this morning with my father who owns an accord euro. anyways we were wandering, what if he was to turbo his euro. i did a search and nothing came up, so decided to post in this section. has it been done before and if he decided to do it i think it would be a massive weapon and a huge sleeper :D. what do you guys rekon, sould i talk him into it or what?
Sulley
10-09-2005, 02:03 PM
1 Garrett T25 turbo
Intercooler+pipe sets
Manıfold ex.outlet
Ex front pipe
Air intake tube
Map-5p
IF201 ınjection interface(200cc injektor x 2)
BP9901 blow off valve, accessories hose, clamp
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Chris_F
10-09-2005, 02:12 PM
as far as i know turbo euro's arent that common because there isnt a fully programmable ecu available on the market...
X8TEENX
10-09-2005, 02:14 PM
nice job.....
but how much it cost for
stephen8512
10-09-2005, 02:15 PM
whoa!
thats HOT!!!!!
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!!!!
a TSX owner in the states has done a custom turbo in his. it looks hot too....kenstyle full bodykit
as far as i know turbo euro's arent that common because there isnt a fully programmable ecu available on the market...
there are ECU's, but they just cost money (ie autronic, motec).
The euro should respond really well to a turbo setup. The t25 on that car pictured is a little too small but even that would provided a nice amount of torque on the street
im guessing you would need at least $25,000 to do a custom euro turbo kit (including labour). i know the twin turbo kit for the new 350z costs around $50,000...
10-12k would get the job done
Chris_F
10-09-2005, 04:34 PM
poid... really? - do u have any details as to what youd need etc...
PaZzMaN-R
10-09-2005, 06:36 PM
dame nice work guys thanks alot i dont think however my dad would spend that much. also with the rising price of fuel he may as well go buy a WRX. are there any specs from the euro that was turboed, because that things a dime. ultimate sleeper cant see the IC and you wont know it turbo until PSHHHHHHHH and you see him pulling away from you. also like to add its not riced up:) good stuff. is the guy on the forum??
Chris_F
10-09-2005, 07:15 PM
i have the speed magazine with a full article on a twin turbo zed that apparently cost 50,000 + to do. If theres enough interest i could scan it in and post it in the lounge.
sodaz
10-09-2005, 08:20 PM
It'll cost too much money and i don't think it'll give you as much performance as a wrx sti.
euro1978
10-09-2005, 09:14 PM
im guessing you would need at least $25,000 to do a custom euro turbo kit (including labour). i know the twin turbo kit for the new 350z costs around $50,000...
I don't see why it would be more than 10K to turbocharge any car including FMIC, ECU and the other bits.
That 350z write up was the biggest crock I have read in a while.
BLKCRX
10-09-2005, 09:53 PM
10k lol dream on....
20k+ easy to ....
X8TEENX
10-09-2005, 10:11 PM
yeah...all things need to custom...like my fren just done a custom things...it cost about 5k just in few days jobs labor fees.....scary
euro1978
10-09-2005, 10:28 PM
10k lol dream on....
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I guess I didnt factor much labour into that. I would do a bit myself. I still dont see why it would cost so much. Say we are talking a relatively mild setup retaining factory internals.
Perhaps you could enlighten.
4k for custom exhaust, cooler piping, manifold, water and oil lines (incl labour to fit the turbo, cooler, BOV and everything mentioned in the price)
3k for autronic installed and tuned (thats on the high side, but lets be conservative)
2k turbo
600 intercooler
800 clutch installed
300 BOV
600 couple of gauges
500 boost controller
Thats $11,800, for all new parts and includes the labour component. And the prices are realistic from what i have seen workshops charge for the same kind of work.
Plus thats all new prices for the parts...could save a bit going second hand on a few things as well (the turbo for example, i've factored in 2k for a new GT30 but you could easily get something second-hand for half that). The price for the autronic is on the high side IMO as well.
But yeh, that doesnt look anything like 20k+, and i dont think i have missed anything...
tuffAC
11-09-2005, 11:27 AM
i inquired about this several months ago. went into AVO in melb and got an estimated figure of $8,000. dont know exactly what parts they were going to use but basically it would consists of;
reprogrammed ecu
turbo unit
hoses and hardware running less than 8psi
blow off valve
intercooler etc etc
AND labour!!
drive in and drive out (but with PSHHH and AVO stickers) for $8000 give or take $500.00
But as this is a custom made job one should note that development and retuning post fitment of turbo for everyday driveability and reliability would be mandatory. Its also expected that the car would be off-road for at least 2 months.
Alternative ; comptech supercharger :D
smoknhothonda
11-09-2005, 11:53 AM
AEM offer a plug and play EMS which can be had for $1600, plus $500-1000 for installation.
I reckon $12-15k would cover a conservative turbo setup with stock internals as Poid mentioned previously, but obviously if you wanted rods, pistons, valvetrain etc changed you would be getting closer to the $20K BLK-CRX mentioned.
I recently seen a full custom intercooler kit for sale on a US forum for a TSX for $800USD....
all that money, wouldnt it be cheaper to drop a turbo engine in? say a nissan or toyota turbo engine?
BLKCRX
11-09-2005, 12:42 PM
Im sorry but I still don’t think its possible ;) to do it that cheaply.
Actually to do it correctly is almost impossible as there is no REAL ECU solution yet for the accord euro that handles boost.
Hondata doesn’t even have (yet) a programmable ECU solution that can handle boost.
Autronic SM4 might control the ivtec ( cam angle control) but I’m not sure if it will control the drive by wire throttle. But it most certainly would not control the traction and VAR system on the accord, nor will it control the multiplex dash
Motec is ment to do ivtec (cam angle control) although iv never seen any example on the euro, and motec does do drive by wire, although again try and find people who have made drive by throttle work on a motec ( almost impossible) motec will not control the VAR system, nor will it control the multiplex dash, and I can almost grantee no one in the world has motec’ed a euro yet.
Motec would be your best bet, as it gets you half way there, but your looking for a m800 $5400 plus sensors plus install plus tuning, plus the added extra’s
So I recon alone you could spend almost $10,000 just on the ECU and even then I doubt all stock functions would work.
Then you have all the turbo costs, which would be another 10k easy !!!
Simple exercise = $20,000+
Build the engine and your looking at way more !!
Regards James
Chris_F
11-09-2005, 04:46 PM
James,
I thought that was the case.... It's why the comptech supercharger has been taken so long/ might be canceled. The euro's are simply damn hard to get a fully programmable ecu for.
I think 10k will do :) it would not need a full replacement ecu, you can get microtech piggyback to control the fuel,timing etc or even greddy emanage will do. but it's wasting money if you dont have the internals it won't hold many boost right? i guess td04l will be more suitable than 25 or probably 28 series garret turbo. wasting money that's my opinion :P plus avoid all the warranty and stuff.
plus yeh if you go for full replacement ecu i think you will have to change the wiring loom which will cost approx $600-$1000 labour for rewiring :) crazy my aswell you buy sti for $33k hehe
yourfather
11-09-2005, 05:00 PM
Or you could have the accord euro for the daily driving and lets say, a skyline for the weekend / traffic light hero action.
BLKCRX
11-09-2005, 05:18 PM
I think 10k will do :) it would not need a full replacement ecu, you can get microtech piggyback to control the fuel,timing etc or even greddy emanage will do.
To cut a long story short NO they won't work !! Its called variable cam timing ;) microtech and emange jsut won't do this !!!!!
Regards James
my bad :( then people i suggest just buy wrx, i got one for sale :D hahaha
To cut a long story short NO they won't work !! Its called variable cam timing ;) microtech and emange jsut won't do this !!!!!
Regards James
BLKCRX
11-09-2005, 08:51 PM
nar its called WAIT and save 20k up.. and then when a true solution is available go spastic n give your car a nice upgrade of power and handling !
Although with the rising fuel prices a lot of people are turning to honda’s to save fuel money. So expect a large increase of NA modifications and Honda owners in the years to come, the NA path of a nice header, plus cam’s makes the car lightening fast.
Regards James
nar its called WAIT and save 20k up.. and then when a true solution is available go spastic n give your car a nice upgrade of power and handling !
or better yet, dont wait, and spend the 20k on a GTR32 !
Chris_F
12-09-2005, 12:18 AM
hey james , if you got the time...
i'm planning to have my euro for about 7 years and was wondering (later down the track) when there's a lot more parts out and all that... which will be more suited to the K24a3 ? forced induction or NA?
I love the idea of a high reving and powerful NA car's... but i still havent seen a euro with very big power figures even after extensive mods...
Basically i'm wondering if say 10g was spent on the k24 engine a few years down the track if there would be some substantial/worthwile gains for the money or if i should plan on keepin the car for a shorter time and just buying a more performance orientated car?
Thanks!
sodaz
12-09-2005, 02:12 AM
IMO it's always a better idea to buy a performance oriented car rather than trying so hard to squeeze power out of a daily driver. It's much cheaper and easier trying to make a WRX luxurious than to make a Euro very powerful.
Chris_F
12-09-2005, 05:53 PM
sodaz good point... but if the euro does have the potential to make say 170-180kw at the fly wheel from the k24a a wrx wouldnt interest me. I really like the style of the euro too and considering i may be owning it for close to 10 years taking time to work the engine in NA form doesn't bother me.
Sure i could go buy a perfomance car in say 5 years and short track the whole process... but if there is worthwhile potnetial there i dont want to. It's kind of hard to explain (i know its a 4 door family orientated car) but there's something about it that really appeals to me.
PaZzMaN-R
12-09-2005, 11:21 PM
it would turn out to be an awesome sleeper and its highly unique unlike every wrx out there.
sodaz
13-09-2005, 04:54 AM
Yeah i know what you mean Chris. I think if you tune the Euro to 170-180kw it would be about the same as a Subaru Liberty 3.0 in terms of grunt. I love the look of the Euro too (one of the best looking cars out there for sure) but unless there's a proven reliable way to turbo it it's hard to justify the effort and cost. Hey, but at least you won't be the cop's centre of attention. :D
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