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Chris_F
12-09-2005, 09:23 PM
I've been waiting a while for these to become officially available. Fulcrum suspensions is no distributing and fitting Tein suspension (coilovers), link:

http://www.fulcrumsuspensions.com.au/tein_performance_suspension.html

I'll probably be getting the Tein Basics for my euro - just thought i'd give everyone the heads up.

They also have the facilities to revalve/rebuild existing tein products. Oh and as an added bonus it's local for brisbane dwellers like myself :D

now the question is... how low should i go? I'm thinking of going 0 wheel gap :p can you say scrape?

yfin
12-09-2005, 10:04 PM
now the question is... how low should i go? I'm thinking of going 0 wheel gap :p can you say scrape?

For looks zero wheel gap looks best.

That said - I was at an advanced driving course yesterday - the instructor said to me don't drop the Euro too much as the handling will be worse. Interesting comment.

Chris_F
12-09-2005, 10:19 PM
Hmm... really? I always thought a lower centre of gravity improved handling?

maybe he was assuming just lowering springs would be used? definitely an interesting comment though

stephen8512
12-09-2005, 10:46 PM
wats the diff between basic, super street and flex? besides the size of the dent it leaves on ur wallet

Chris_F
12-09-2005, 11:08 PM
basically....

Basic = ride height adjustable, no damper adjustment
SS = ride height adjustable, 16 way damper adjustment
Tein flex = as above, but with EDFC compatability and few extra things that i can't remember atm.

The flex is a flagship basically, the SS is for ppl that need or want to adjust dampening to their personal taste.. basic is for ppl like me that just want to be able to choose their ride height and have an overall stiffer suspension...

stephen8512
13-09-2005, 12:24 AM
i read somewhere that EDFC is compatible with SS. if this is the case, then wats the diff between that an flex? flex built quality better or something?

jolt
13-09-2005, 09:34 AM
Chris_F: Not quite :D

http://www.tein.co.jp/productse.html

Tein Basics were made for the US for people who want a simple coilover to lower their car that isn't as dodgey as using lowered springs on standard shocks.They aren't really focussed on performance and they're not sold in Japan.

Tein Super Streets can use the EDFC for most vehicles, including the Euro. They use stronger rubber strut top mounts and are only height adjustable by raising/lowering the bottom spring perch. They have 16 stage adjustable dampers.

Tein Flex can also use the EDFC for most vehicles. They mainly use pillowball/rose-jointed/solid metal mounts for better steering feedback and less lateral suspension movement but with a slightly harsher ride as a result. They are height adjustable in two ways, by raising/lowering the bottom spring perch as well as raising/lowering the bottom shock mount. This will help to maintain better ride quality because you'll keep more shock travel.

Flex are DEFINITELY NOT the flagship!! Better to think of them as the best street oriented coilover from Tein, but there are many other models which are much more expensive and much better at their designated purpose than the Tein Flex. A good clue to look for when trying to work out if a coilover is top shelf or not are remote resorvoirs and separate adjustment for dampening and rebound like the Tein Type HG ... hmmmm ... sexy!!

http://www.tein.co.jp/img/hg.jpg

I hope that helps.

best regards
Rod

euro1978
13-09-2005, 09:37 AM
I have had teins in two cars before and even at their softest settings - it's a bone rattling ride.

Do not get these if you value ride quality AT ALL.

jolt
13-09-2005, 09:40 AM
Hahaha ... what model Tein's did you have?

The Super Streets are VERY comfortable and quite streetable even for a daily driver. Sure it's not like you're floating on air, but the upside is the awesome handling.

Then again, maybe you're just soft!! ;) hahaha

Rod

Tobster
13-09-2005, 10:17 AM
the instructor said to me don't drop the Euro too much as the handling will be worse. Interesting comment.
Too hard or low suspension can be detrimental -- it's going to other extreme of floaty: you need to have certain amount of flex otherwise you're just going to bounce around -- it seems to be one of the biggest criticisms of the 350Z: it might be great for track work, but on the road, the rear end is so stiff that it bounces around.

Think of it this way:

If you're going around a corner (fast), you want all of your wheels sitting firmly on the ground: that's going to give you the most grip and stop you sliding. If your suspension is really hard, if you hit a bump, instead of the suspension doing what it's meant to do, i.e. flex and absorb the shock, the whole car is going to bounce: the weight will shift, and in extreme cases, wheels might leave the ground -- resulting in less traction. You then also have to deal with trying to correct the car, instead of just tucking in, neatly and simply.

Road sttings and race-track settings are generally completely different -- because they have to deal with completely different sorts of surfaces, i.e. roads are a hell of a lot more bumpy.

While there's always a certain amount of leeway, I've always been led to believe is that Honda's have highly calibrated suspensions -- and if you're not careful, you can really disadavantage yourself.

If anyone's an Autospeed member, I'd recommend having a read of this article:

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_1273/article.html

It's an interview with Jim Gurief from Whiteline about suspensions on front wheel drive cars.

I used to have a full copy of the text -- if I can find it, I'll post it...

Tobster
13-09-2005, 10:35 AM
I found a copy of the article (PDF) at:

www.whiteline.com.au/docs/articles/AS_susp_01_0202.pdf

It's a 3-part series -- there are also ones for rear-drive and all-wheel-drive -- but they're worth reading:

www.whiteline.com.au/docs/articles/AS_susp_02_0213.pdf

www.whiteline.com.au/docs/articles/AS_susp_03_0228.PDF

PERTH_EURO
13-09-2005, 11:19 AM
That said - I was at an advanced driving course yesterday - the instructor said to me don't drop the Euro too much as the handling will be worse. Interesting comment.

that is interesting, wonder if he was directly comparing to mine.
Yorum thats why i hit him up about how our cars differ in drive and handling.
As you said what a dif the driver makes thou :thumbsup: (Euro vs DC5TR) :D

Chris_F
13-09-2005, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the info about the various types jolt.

Does anyone know that if installing the Tein Basics and lowering the height say 1.5-2 inches would be bad for the handling?

baboo
13-09-2005, 02:49 PM
Hey Chris,

welcome to the world of coilovers.

I think dropping 2 inch front and back is alright. anything further will worsen the handling instead of improving it.

Chris_F
13-09-2005, 03:58 PM
Okay, thanks for the advice Steve.

To keep the gap even i'll probably go for just below 2 inches at the front and about 1.5" at the back. I got my sub and amps in the boot which is probably about 50kg or so extra weighing it down.

baboo
13-09-2005, 04:13 PM
Oh yeah, need to consider the sub & amp.

You really have to adjust the coilovers a few times to get your desirable height.
That's the beauty of it, height adjustments.

If you have zero gap, your rear camber will most likely to be -3.0 +. you need a rear camber kit to bring it back to -1.0

madjace
13-09-2005, 04:35 PM
i would never buy another set , i had tein HA's on my integra and it was just too hard ofr me . i dont mean to put any one off buying them but for me it would ruin a nice car like the euro .. if you want that sort og handling why not get another car ?

Terry
13-09-2005, 05:15 PM
i got Tein HR......the pervious model of Tein Flex.......from my point of view is an very confortable sussy......If u r not diehard racer Flex is a good all-round sussy....u will not be disappointed.

Chris_F
13-09-2005, 06:17 PM
madjace... the ha's are track focused aren't they? I've read that the basics/ss/flex are quite streetable and comfortable.

"if you want that sort og handling why not get another car ?"

because i like the euro, have spent money on getting a stereo custom installed and now am simply interested in lowering it. I don't want ferrari style handling... just a slight improvement and reduction in ride height.

If i wanted a RWD turbo i would have got one :rolleyes:

Matell
14-09-2005, 12:54 AM
awe shit....lol even Chris is finally getting coilovers! :D. Damn it I'm dragging my feet!!!!. Must save money.....coilovers, Volks, and two sets of rubber....

When you've got your Teins Chris we'll have to drag you to the track ;):thumbsup:

madjace
14-09-2005, 09:47 AM
i would love to lower the euro aswell ( damn honda whell gaps ) i just think there might be better ways of doing it han getting coilovers ..

as you have said ha's probably more at home on the track than the street i just want to lower it without affecting the ride quality or standard handling .. perhaps you gys could organise some sort of get together so i can see for myself what kind of results you get .. ( sometimes it's a real pian living down here .. doubtfull that any of the accord euro owners down here will do any thing with there sussy

jolt
14-09-2005, 10:22 AM
madjace: Tein HA's and Flex's/Super Streets are VERY different animals. The Flex's are much more streetable than the HA's.

Terry: Tein Flex's didn't exactly replace the HR's, the Flex's were introduced as a street oriented coilover with enough adjustment to be very capable at the odd trackday. I don't believe that the lower shock mount is adjustable on the HR's like it is on the Flex's, which helps with maintaining ride quality.

Rod

Chris_F
14-09-2005, 12:33 PM
haha Matt - I'm a very slow "modder" too, it's taken me all year to be able to afford the coilovers :p

Yea the track is definitely in order (but driver training course first). Especially since honda wont do anything about my clutch/power problems untill it is completely f@#$d.

I'm gonna try pick up an injen intake while i'm in LA at the end of the year as well. That'll do me for a loooooooong while

Matell
14-09-2005, 07:28 PM
haha Matt - I'm a very slow "modder" too, it's taken me all year to be able to afford the coilovers :p

Yea the track is definitely in order (but driver training course first). Especially since honda wont do anything about my clutch/power problems untill it is completely f@#$d.

I'm gonna try pick up an injen intake while i'm in LA at the end of the year as well. That'll do me for a loooooooong while

Driver training...b'ah don't let that hold you back! Spin out once at QR and then you'll know the limits of your car (and your sphincter muscles ;) ), not to mention in the process you'll eat up all the remaining compound on the clutch! hehehe win win!

PNR888
14-09-2005, 09:02 PM
Hi Chris:
If you are dealing with Fulcrum, Paul Carlsson is the Retail Branch Co-ordinator. He is based at Capalapa branch 3390 3900.. He owns an Euro himself, so you wont go wrong with him. email: paulc@fulcrumsuspensions.com.au

kitbkk
14-09-2005, 11:06 PM
hey guys.. from searching in da tein website.. is it true that type flex can be adjusted for the ride height more than the SS?? and another question... do u people who have already got tein coilovers,, did u get them local or import from overseas..thanks heaps im interested to lower my euro too but just have to wait wen my car reach around 5000 kms at least

Chris_F
16-09-2005, 12:51 PM
Hey PNR888, I went and visited the capalaba branch today.

I've booked my car in for monday the 26.

I'm getting the TEIN superstreet and not the basic as originally planned. It's what they have in stock and as I'm getting free installation and allignemnt i can afford it now.

I'm only going to lower it as much as i can without really needing a camber kit.
I'll do that and a sway bar later on. Should be done for the next euro cruiise :D

baboo
16-09-2005, 01:06 PM
Chris,

Don't make your already hot looking car any hotter.

Chicks will be all sitting in your ride and no chicks left for us

PNR888
16-09-2005, 02:08 PM
Hey PNR888, I went and visited the capalaba branch today.

I've booked my car in for monday the 26.

I'm getting the TEIN superstreet and not the basic as originally planned. It's what they have in stock and as I'm getting free installation and allignemnt i can afford it now.

I'm only going to lower it as much as i can without really needing a camber kit.
I'll do that and a sway bar later on. Should be done for the next euro cruiise :D

Very Cool, Chris... Now I have to plan a route that can test out the improvenment of your Tein suspension set-up.
And I am sure baboo will wind his coilover to the lowest possible height, so your sexy ride will not out-lower his track demon.

baboo
16-09-2005, 02:14 PM
LOL I've got no bodykit, I can wind down an inch lower than Chris's car

Chris_F
17-09-2005, 12:43 PM
Chris,

Don't make your already hot looking car any hotter.

Chicks will be all sitting in your ride and no chicks left for us

lol, its ok steve i can only seat 4! and don't think the bodykit will stop me :p i'm not only going for 0 wheel gap , but 0 ground clearence as well. Downside is ill have to drive around for a while to scrape away the part of the bodykit that touches the ground...

serioulsy though, i probably won't go that low initially because i'll need to buy a camber kit before i do that (or maybe i should do that when i get the suspension installed initially?).

PNR888, i'm looking foward to the cruise, and finding out what route you have planned. bring on the corners :D

yfin
21-09-2005, 12:26 AM
serioulsy though, i probably won't go that low :D

Yeah be careful Chris - you have seen the pics of the drop on my car. I have already gently touched the front lip twice in the short time I have dropped my car. Not good. And I don't have the body kit lip on yet :(

The other thing is someone told me with coilovers everytime you raise or lower the car you need an alignment. Now I am not sure if that is technically correct but that would be a huge pain in the ass. If it is correct try and get the height right -- my ideal set up would be 1 finger gap at the back and 2 at the front (so a fraction lower than my current set up).

Chris_F
21-09-2005, 11:31 AM
thanks for the advice yfin... fulcrum are using my car for R&D, testing various dampening rates, spring rates etc. and presumeably ride heights. I think id be happy with what you described... 2 fingers at the front and 1 at the back, i might give them that as a rough guide to the height i want. At the end of the day though if they recommend that i go slightly higher for perofmance reasons i'll more than likely do it. It should be on by wednesday next week - hopefully ill have pics b4 next weekend.

CL9EURO
21-09-2005, 02:57 PM
Just to explain more to do with the difference between flex and super street. Flex and Super Street have all the same internal parts. 35mm bore, shaft size and are both EDFC compatable. The major difference is that the flex also has an adjustable lower spring seat as well as the lower clevis mount which is the braket that bolts to the hub. This adjusts the height as well as the bumpstop striking height and travel. This makes the Flex illegal for street use in Australia, were as the Super Street has only the lower spring mount adjustment.

Tein coil over units that have been previously imported are the Jap spec and are firmer in spring rates and dampening rates. Most of the coil overs that are brought in to the country by Fulcrum are now Aus spec. The Japanese have a different concept to us as far as ride goes, as if they fit a coil over kit and they don't feel it is hard then they would not buy the kits. If you compare our roads to thiers there is a huge difference.

The Aus spec super street come with front pillow ball mounts were camber adjustment is required and rubber mounts every where else.

Chris_F
21-09-2005, 04:21 PM
CL9EURO, thanks for that extra information. I guess i made the right choice going for the superstreets.

But, i wasn't aware there was an aus spec super street available yet? According to fulcrum suspension there won't be an officially oz specced SS untill they install those particular coilovers on my car and do some R&D to select the best spring and dampening rates.

Not too sure what you mean about the pillow ball mounts and the rubber mounts... i thought pillowball mounts were an option you had to pay for? (as you can tell i'm not 100% up with the tein range)

baboo
21-09-2005, 04:24 PM
CL9EURO is from Fulcrum I think, Chris


Paul also owns an Accord Euro, according to my mate Stu(owns a blue DC5R)

baboo
21-09-2005, 04:27 PM
Oops, just saw Roger's post

he's got all the info


Hi Chris:

If you are dealing with Fulcrum, Paul Carlsson is the Retail Branch Co-ordinator. He is based at Capalapa branch 3390 3900.. He owns an Euro himself, so you wont go wrong with him. email: paulc@fulcrumsuspensions.com.au

Chris_F
21-09-2005, 06:01 PM
thanks for pointing that out steve!

i guess thats why he knows so much about the suspension :p, no-one but fulcrum would have that sort of information - about aus specs etc. sorry about the confusion there.

newmski
21-09-2005, 06:10 PM
free installation damn/... dont suppose they need any civics for testing purposes

Chris_F
21-09-2005, 07:19 PM
from memory they have already spec'd up the civic coilovers for australian conditions. Check out their website i put up in the first post. In the Tein section they have a pdf with a list of cars that they have already setup coilovers for.

newmski
23-09-2005, 12:28 AM
yeh but they only have the spec'ed teins for ek-civics no * eg aus spec *
so fulcrum are dealing the jap spec ones also or only the aus spec kits?

CONAN
23-09-2005, 02:19 AM
all the tein coilovers that come from jap are changed to aus spec
means they revalve it, recoil it etc, using all tein parts. but to suit aussie roads.
works out to be better anyway
i got a quote for $1955 delivered to my door from queensland, i live in sydney

fulcrums sydney distributors will sell them for 1860 or around there

or its around $23xx drive in drive out

aleksandrov
23-09-2005, 08:41 AM
all the tein coilovers that come from jap are changed to aus spec
means they revalve it, recoil it etc, using all tein parts. but to suit aussie roads.
works out to be better anyway
i got a quote for $1955 delivered to my door from queensland, i live in sydney

fulcrums sydney distributors will sell them for 1860 or around there

or its around $23xx drive in drive out

Is that price for the SS or Flex?

Btw, I've been quoted $150 by one place (Honda specialist) and $200 by another (Tein supplier) for fitting either the SS or Flex. $300-$400 seems way too high for fitting.

Chris_F
27-09-2005, 01:53 PM
its official... I'm taking the car in tommorrow to get the TEIN SS fitted.

There will be pics on sunday after the brissy euro cruise im sure. But when i get the time i'll do up a set myself for the appearence section :p

PNR888
27-09-2005, 01:56 PM
its official... I'm taking the car in tommorrow to get the TEIN SS fitted.

There will be pics on sunday after the brissy euro cruise im sure. But when i get the time i'll do up a set myself for the appearence section :p

I thought you already have your Euro dropped yesterday. Well, I hope they dont stuff you around tomorrow..
Make sure you take some Pre-dump photo with ruler beside the wheel and wheel arch.. for reference..

Good luck and see you sunday..

PS, U got a PM.

me_kevinly
29-09-2005, 09:11 AM
anyone using Flex has the noise problem??

is
US spec ok for Australia?

Chris_F
29-09-2005, 11:43 AM
apparently flex is illegal in australia?

also i think the noises are from poor installation. so the whole range should be fine if you get it done by a good place.

baboo
29-09-2005, 11:45 AM
Pics Chris, where are they?

Chris_F
29-09-2005, 11:52 AM
hahaha you'll have to be patient like me. car will be back later this arvo or friday - they need a few days to select spring rates and to revalve if the dampening rates arent good for our roads. I also told them to put the camber kit on yesterday. In terms of height they said it had to leave the shop legal. so im probably looking at a ground clearence of 100mm (10cm). I have no idea how much of a drop that is?

stephen8512
29-09-2005, 12:00 PM
damn tahts nice chris!
cant wait for pics mate!!!!

CoZZm0
29-09-2005, 03:22 PM
hahaha you'll have to be patient like me. car will be back later this arvo or friday - they need a few days to select spring rates and to revalve if the dampening rates arent good for our roads. I also told them to put the camber kit on yesterday. In terms of height they said it had to leave the shop legal. so im probably looking at a ground clearence of 100mm (10cm). I have no idea how much of a drop that is?


Problem is that if you want to lower it more than it is when you go you'll need to get another wheel alignment after you adjust the height, and if you try to get them to do it they probably won't as the height would be illegal and they shouldn't touch it?
Sounds like a wank to me. Why sell a product that can be setup for an illegal height if they are so against it and if they won't set it up as such, just sounds silly to me.

euro1978
29-09-2005, 04:16 PM
Should they outlaw angle grinders as well because you can cut factory springs down to an illegal height ?

1. This height legality may not apply in other countries and because the suspension is not tailored for our market specifically the suspension offers a larger range of adjustment over and above our legal limit.

2. Some people may choose to use the suspension on the track or on private land where the height regulations do not apply.

yfin
29-09-2005, 06:31 PM
10cm clearance - Chris you crazy mother! :D Can't wait to see the pics as this baby is going to be loooooww.

Don't forget those two diffuser plastic pieces under the front bumper - they will be very close to the ground if the rest of the car is 10cm clearance.

baboo
29-09-2005, 06:43 PM
yfin,

Chris got bodykit, so it's gonna be LOW!

stephen8512
29-09-2005, 07:12 PM
wat the?! chris has bodykit?
OEM or euro R or mugen or what?!
hahaha why was i not informed of this information
with the kit + tein = sex + ultimate low ridahhhhh
hahah anyone have a pic?

Chris_F
29-09-2005, 07:15 PM
yfin, baboo... sorry to dissapoint guys - the 10cm clearence is actually measured from the lowest point, ie the exhaust and any sticky outy bits.

The drop is not too aggressive, I'm guessing similar to yours actually yfin. About 30mm front and 35mm rear (on about half a tank + weight of stereo the car looks pretty equal in height).

I have to take the car back in 1000km anyway for them to fine tune the rear camber and make any neccessary adjustments. I might get them to take it a bit lower then if i can.

I spoke to paul at fulcrum and he was wrapped with how the car was handelling, better he says then his euro with king springs and whiteline swaybar. Imagine how little body roll i get when i finaly get a sway bar, should be good.

My impressions so far:

ride is more comfortable than stock suprisingly, bumps come and go much quicker and are taken silkily but with great precision.

car seems to tramline less - tyres also set to 40psi (the sidewalls of the f1's are very soft otherwise)

Car corners FLAT... I noticed a huge difference. Also much easier to encourage a bit of what feels like oversteer now. Roundabouts at 60? doin it in my sleep already.

Hopefully i get some pics tommorrow arvo, right now i gotta get cracking on a uni assingment.

Chris_F
29-09-2005, 07:17 PM
hey stephen just saw your post man.

i got oem kit, 17" speedy light 7's in silver with a machined lip, and now superstreet coilovers. it performs aweosme now.

as for looks youll have to let me know what you think when i get around to posting pics. personally i've seen better looking cars - but im walkin the line between functionality and aesthetics, i think its a good one to be :p

stephen8512
29-09-2005, 07:27 PM
chris mate that is awesome! congrats on the purchase.
u gonna get the EDFC later on or no?
i myself am going to get the FLEX coils next year after i have the finances. but not before rims. lol!!
yeah think about how little the bodyroll will be once u get the sway. how much bodyroll u reckon the euro would have with
1) cusco front strut, lower arm bar
2) whiteline sway
3) tein SS/flex coilovers..?

Chris_F
29-09-2005, 07:33 PM
thanks stephen, im pretty wrapped :D

i was thinking about the edfc... i was shown what you have to do to adjust the rear shocks not easy at all.. unclip the seat undo a bolt take of a bit of a panel , a bit of stuffing aroudn there. But at the end of the day ill probably just find a setting i like for the road, then just adjust as neccessary for track work etc. ALso save a wad of cash for other mods like the sway bar.

Flex hey? NICE. I was orginally going for the basics but because of the offer i got i decided to go with the SS ,glad i did too.

With the mods you listed im sure youd have SHITE all body roll. i mean i can only slightly notice body roll on my car now and that was with dampening rates of the shocks set at 12 front and rear. 16 = softest 0 = hardest.

Whilst i'm on the topic... can anyone with tein coilovers reccomend a setting for the front verse rear? would it be a good idea, for example, to have a firmer setting for the front as it has extra weight?

PNR888
30-09-2005, 12:12 AM
hey Chris, you must be all over the moon now.. you must let us check out your new suspansions this sunday.. Give your car a quick wash n wax will increase sex appeal of the car even more..

Chris_F
30-09-2005, 12:22 AM
haha sure am! i wonder how the suspension would go with 1/6 of the gravity :p. yep i'll whore my car out to anyone who wants to give it a test, no worries. yep tommorrow afternoon i'm gona give it some tender lovin care... been far too long since the last wash and wax

yfin
30-09-2005, 12:33 AM
I spoke to paul at fulcrum and he was wrapped with how the car was handelling, better he says then his euro with king springs and whiteline swaybar. Imagine how little body roll i get when i finaly get a sway bar, should be good.


This is great news. I also find my car tramlines less now it is lowered - it used to drift more on the freeway if the road was not 100% flat. Or maybe that is to do with the extra negative camber at the rear ;)

Do get the sway bar as you will love it. Speaking of which - our friend Baboo is saying goodbye to his Whiteline bar in the for sale section. I can't believe he is selling his Euro.

Anyway - good to hear you are happy with the sussy. You said you got a camber kit installed - can you say which one and how much it cost?

Chris_F
30-09-2005, 01:30 AM
yep i can... i got the fulcrum camber kit. it was about 240 + installation, which is fairly reasonable i thought. shit baboo is selling his car???? thats a shame... but i want that sway bar!

Ferrarista
05-01-2007, 12:30 PM
Hey sorry to bump this thread

Im probably going to get Tein SS for my Euro now and wondering about isntallation.

If your in Sydney where have you got your installed? I got quoted $400 by my local suspension place which i thought was a bit pricey.

What kind of figure did you pay?

aleksandrov
05-01-2007, 12:42 PM
I paid $150 to have my Mugen Sports installed by IS Motor Racing in Rockdale, but I'm not sure if they'll charge the same if you haven't bought the suspension from them. I would check though.

Hanny's in Smithfield also quoted me $150 for installation if I brought my own coilovers in.

$400 is definitely a rip-off.

_CiVIC_
05-01-2007, 01:34 PM
Ferrarista go to Straight Talk Suspension in Blacktown... they installed my Buddyclub N+ coilovers in my dc5 and it cost me $220, and thats including a wheel alignment. :thumbsup: If you want their details shoot me a pm bud.:wave:

Ferrarista
05-01-2007, 03:18 PM
Ferrarista go to Straight Talk Suspension in Blacktown... they installed my Buddyclub N+ coilovers in my dc5 and it cost me $220, and thats including a wheel alignment. :thumbsup: If you want their details shoot me a pm bud.:wave:

That was the place that quoted me $400 :p

I always go there and so do my mates, i think he is pissed that im not buying them from him.

Ferrarista
05-01-2007, 03:20 PM
I just called IS they said $250 which seems reasonable

_CiVIC_
05-01-2007, 04:20 PM
That was the place that quoted me $400 :p

I always go there and so do my mates, i think he is pissed that im not buying them from him.

serious!!!!!!!!!

zomg!

he did my buddyclub install for $220!

Chris_F
05-01-2007, 04:35 PM
some places really do charge a lot... anything over 250 is crazy for a coilover install IMO

yfin
05-01-2007, 05:58 PM
I paid something like $120 for mine not including wheel alignment. But that was in Perth which is basically a different world to the east coast.

BusterSonic12
15-01-2007, 11:09 PM
just a quick question.
if i get the Tein SS from oversea (hk) is that going to be Jap Spec for sure?? if so anyone know if the tein ss *jap spec* compatible with the EDFC. because someplace i see it can be, some can't... so confusing... THANKS :)

also is there any major difference between the jap & aus spec??

tony1234
16-01-2007, 08:12 AM
just a quick question.
if i get the Tein SS from oversea (hk) is that going to be Jap Spec for sure?? if so anyone know if the tein ss *jap spec* compatible with the EDFC. because someplace i see it can be, some can't... so confusing... THANKS :)

also is there any major difference between the jap & aus spec??
Aus spec ones supposed to be recalibrated for our conditions(roads)is what i was told????

Chris_F
16-01-2007, 12:12 PM
theres no difference between the AUS spec ones and jap spec ones except the inclusion of the billet aluminum upper mount - which is standard on the aussie issue suspension.

Fulcrum told me there was no need to revalve or re-spring the TEIN SS for the euro

BusterSonic12
08-02-2007, 11:08 AM
i looked on the tein web and couldn't find the pillowball upper mount for the euro.. :( is there one for euro?? if so can anyone provide me with the product code + est price please :)

TypeG
08-02-2007, 12:10 PM
why u need the pillowball upper mount? Flex model come with pillowball upper mount if u really need it. there should have pillowball upper mount for Euro and cost like around $200 more

Merlin086
08-02-2007, 12:30 PM
I have been told in the last couple of days that the valving on the Aus spec is different to the Jap spec Tein ss coilovers.
Fxxxxxx has apparently refused to supply any parts to rebuild any Jap spec Tein coilovers but the parts are coming in from the US according to the shock rebuilder I spoke to, which are Jap spec parts.

I have also been told in the last couple of days from a direct source that Fxxxxxx will be commencing legal action against anyone bringing Jap spec Tein coilovers into Australia.
I find that a ridiculous reaction as the Jap spec and Aus spec should be considered different products if they truly have different valving.
Personally I have bought a set of jap spec. here and was not prepared to pay the the hugely marked up price of the local product.
Having read all the threads on the tein ss here, I have come to the conclusion that the jap spec are still very suitable for our roads, and I get to keep my marriage intact as well as my spine.
It appears some people wish to have a monopoly on what you can and can't buy.

Hmmm.....food for thought.......

aaronng
08-02-2007, 12:42 PM
Jap spec works here well. There is no NEED to get Aus spec. Anyway that company can only sue grey importers. If you buy from overseas and get it sent over, they can't do anything to you other than to deny warranty work.

Merlin086
08-02-2007, 12:53 PM
My point exactly, providing they can be repaired to Jap spec.(which according to one shock rebuilder I spoke to would cost about $175 for a rebuild to a Tein ss)

You would apparently never be able to repair a jap spec to a Aus spec standard, but as you say Aaronng, why would you want/need to!

raz05
08-02-2007, 03:41 PM
I actually using the Tein SS from CL7-R

Chris_F
08-02-2007, 04:25 PM
haha so am I and I bought it through fulcrum....

the only difference is the billet upper mounts but apparently the valving and spring rates didn't need to be changed for Australian roads

BusterSonic12
08-02-2007, 04:30 PM
mmm... any of you got pillowball upper mount with your ss? got the product code?

Merlin086
08-02-2007, 05:07 PM
haha so am I and I bought it through fulcrum....

the only difference is the billet upper mounts but apparently the valving and spring rates didn't need to be changed for Australian roads

Chris F.....did I read somewhere that your car was used in the R & D of the Tein ss for Australia.
If so I presume that you would be aware of the TRUE situation regarding any difference between the Jap spec
(as you say, listed for the CL7) and the supposed improved and revalved (according to Fxxxxxx ) Aus spec version.

Chris_F
08-02-2007, 05:23 PM
Yep that's right.

Like I've been saying, I spoke with them after they'd had the car and fitted the suspension and they told me no re-valving change of spring rates was needed for Australian road conditions.

For other makes and models they needed to change things around a bit but and as a whole they have resorted the TEIN range of coilovers that are officially being brought into Austalia.. for the euro however no changes were necessary.

Also, Tein SS don't always come with billet upper mounts but those bought through fulcrum do.

Merlin086
08-02-2007, 05:43 PM
Hmmm
Thanks for that reply Chris F

It appears then that in Australia, the distributors of the "Aus spec" Tein are being told incorrect information and passing this on to customers.
My very recent information, which apparently came direct from Fxxxxxx, is that "after purchasing a Euro for R&D and making changes to the valving", they have incurred huge expenses and intend to protect their financial committment.
What a load of fxckxn' crap!

Ppl need to know the truth... your a legend Chis F for having the inside knowledge.

.....the truth is out there...........lol

Chris_F
08-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Well this was when they first started bringing the suspension over, and what I posted is exactly what i was told at the time.

It may be that they've since changed there mind and updated the design?

I wouldn't be able to tell you because I haven't spoken to or dealt with them for a year or so now.

I think someone who works at fulcrum was on the forum once before so hopefully they can clear that up?

but so far that's the story

Suntzu
27-06-2007, 08:56 PM
Does anyone have the Tein SS installations instructions in English? My install is tommorow and its all in Japanese!

A link to it or i can PM my email if you guys will be kind enough to help me. Cheers

Suntzu
27-06-2007, 08:59 PM
Nah its ok found it here for TSX http://www.tein.com/ti/inst/ka64u.pdf should do the job. cheers

snYpz
16-08-2007, 10:11 PM
Read somewhere that Australian distributors may refuse to fix any problems with the tein coilovers if they arent the Aus-sepc. Is this true, or is that in regards to warranty?
Also, can coilovers be repaired at any suspension shop (located in Sydney)?
hahah...just want clues before i get myself a set of Tein ss possibly jap-spec

cheers

Suntzu
16-08-2007, 10:13 PM
Mine going great. I think mine are Jap as there were fron hong kong. Im not worried about warranty. In 2-3 years from now i'll have either sold the car or theres dozens of places that can rebuild shocks, its not rocket science...

CoZZm0
16-08-2007, 10:26 PM
Its a warranty issue only.

You can't expect to buy something overseas that does not carry an international warranty and have a local dealer fix it. Things like laptop computers are the exception with world wide warranties, but if you buy a TV or something from japan and expect panasonic in Australia to fix it under warranty you'd be pretty much pushing sh!t up hill.

I know that Fulcrum can get parts from TEIN japan for anything you send to them, but be prepared to pay the bucks for them to do so.

BusterSonic12
16-08-2007, 10:42 PM
Read somewhere that Australian distributors may refuse to fix any problems with the tein coilovers if they arent the Aus-sepc. Is this true, or is that in regards to warranty?
Also, can coilovers be repaired at any suspension shop (located in Sydney)?
hahah...just want clues before i get myself a set of Tein ss possibly jap-spec

cheers

did u end up buying from top racing as well? haha

Merlin086
17-08-2007, 08:22 AM
Read somewhere that Australian distributors may refuse to fix any problems with the tein coilovers if they arent the Aus-sepc. Is this true, or is that in regards to warranty?
Also, can coilovers be repaired at any suspension shop (located in Sydney)?
hahah...just want clues before i get myself a set of Tein ss possibly jap-spec

cheers

Before buying my Jap-spec tein coilovers I verified that there are Aussie shock repairers who obtain their parts from overseas. (and not thru Fulcrum)

Make a few phone calls like I did to locate a local Tein rebuilder. I was quoted $165 for a rebuild for Jap-spec as against $220 for Fulcrum to rebuild "aussie spec"...lol

traumatized
17-08-2007, 09:07 AM
Just wondering where would be the cheapest place to get some Tein SS for the Euro? and rough prices i should be looking at so i know a ball park figure.

Pumped
17-08-2007, 10:20 AM
Does anyone know if its true that they've Discontinued the Tein SS Coilovers for CL7/CL9?

BusterSonic12
17-08-2007, 10:28 AM
Does anyone know if its true that they've Discontinued the Tein SS Coilovers for CL7/CL9?

not sure, haven't heard of that before. i got mine about 1or2months ago

ENVSSS
17-08-2007, 01:20 PM
Speak to Edward from edw-r, he is a trader on Ozhonda.

I purchased a set of Tein SS coilovers about 4 weeks ago, very happy with service and price :D

Merlin086
17-08-2007, 07:53 PM
Speak to Edward from edw-r, he is a trader on Ozhonda.

I purchased a set of Tein SS coilovers about 4 weeks ago, very happy with service and price :D

Ditto......

try Edward............Got mine back in Jan. from him too.

snYpz
18-08-2007, 12:38 AM
sure will...have spoken to edw-r for quotes and all before but not in regards to maintenance issues.
cheers guys for all the input!!

docker
31-08-2007, 01:02 PM
I am thinking of getting my TEIN SS from www.TSXParts.com unless someone can recommend where I can get them here in Perth. The TEIN state distributor over here wants over $2200 just for the parts, then fitting and alignment is extra. Way too expensive for my liking, I can buy the SS for $950US and with the dollar good going at the moment including shipping it will be way less than getting them here.

Pumped
31-08-2007, 01:17 PM
how much do they charge for shipping?
any ideas?

docker
31-08-2007, 01:28 PM
how much do they charge for shipping?
any ideas?
$950US equals $1200 in Oz dollars I have just worked out. Shipping is purely based on weight of the goods. I ordered my UR Pulley from this place 2 months ago and the shipping was $55US which wasn't too bad. Even if they want $300US for the shipping it still works out a lot cheaper than buying it here.

I wonder if buying it from Japan is cheaper again?

kitbkk
31-08-2007, 01:31 PM
try get a quote from some of the traders here and you will be surprise:thumbsup:

vippy84
31-08-2007, 04:47 PM
I am not that happy with Tein SS, I put it to the lowest height and softest damper.. but still the quality of ride is still harsh..

CoZZm0
31-08-2007, 05:11 PM
I am not that happy with Tein SS, I put it to the lowest height and softest damper.. but still the quality of ride is still harsh..

What size wheels and profile tyres have you got?

docker
31-08-2007, 05:18 PM
There seems to be a mixed reaction to the TEIN SS coilovers in this forum. Currently I have the lowered springs and aftermarket shocks set up and ride is ok, a little harsh over some bumps but most of the time it's quite a comfy ride.

My performance retailer recommended me to change and get the TEIN's but reading quite a few comments in here, I'm in two minds now ... Hmmm

tony1234
31-08-2007, 05:56 PM
Coilovers are good if you regularly track your car but if you mainly drive on our shit roads then a good spring/shock combo is the way to go.

^__^ SM ^__^
31-08-2007, 09:36 PM
Sorry for hijacking but what is the combo for getting rides better than stock. I do a lot of highway drives now and the rough highways are really annoying me. Lots of jarring. Everytime i come to a smooth patch... it's like heaven!! btw, I don't want air suspension.

tony1234
31-08-2007, 09:46 PM
Sorry for hijacking but what is the combo for getting rides better than stock. I do a lot of highway drives now and the rough highways are really annoying me. Lots of jarring. Everytime i come to a smooth patch... it's like heaven!! btw, I don't want air suspension.
Bilstein/Eibach combo FTW.

kitbkk
31-08-2007, 11:44 PM
IMO, Tein SS is very very very comfy if set at the lowest. are u sure it is set at the lowest? if im not mistaken, u turn the knob anti-clockwise all the way. my ride with tien ss was more comfy than having koni's + H&R springs in my old ride.

CoZZm0
01-09-2007, 04:38 AM
You should only turn the knob the prescribed number of "clicks" from the hardest setting (16). If you just turn it all the way anti-clockwise you may damage the shocks as this will go past the the recommended adjustment range which will usually be anywhere from 22-26 clicks.

euro1986
01-09-2007, 10:46 PM
$950US equals $1200 in Oz dollars I have just worked out. Shipping is purely based on weight of the goods. I ordered my UR Pulley from this place 2 months ago and the shipping was $55US which wasn't too bad. Even if they want $300US for the shipping it still works out a lot cheaper than buying it here.

I wonder if buying it from Japan is cheaper again?



If u have a look on ebay u can get the ss for $950US and $350US for shipping

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TEIN-SS-COILOVER-04-06-ACURA-TSX-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33586QQihZ010Q QitemZ200030443470QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V




P.S does that warrent a PQ ???

Bryce
02-09-2007, 05:39 PM
Bilstein/Eibach combo FTW.

+1 bro

drezy
16-09-2007, 11:34 PM
why u need the pillowball upper mount? Flex model come with pillowball upper mount if u really need it. there should have pillowball upper mount for Euro and cost like around $200 more

Hi Guys

Thinking of purchasing Tein SS for my Euro.... what exactly does the pillow upper mounts do??? Improve handling? Softer ride??

want to find out if i should get with or without pillow upper mount...

cheers

aaronng
17-09-2007, 12:14 AM
Hi Guys

Thinking of purchasing Tein SS for my Euro.... what exactly does the pillow upper mounts do??? Improve handling? Softer ride??

want to find out if i should get with or without pillow upper mount...

cheers

With the upper pillowball mount, you don't have to remove the stock mount from your stock suspension to use with the Tein SS. The Tein pillowball mount will improve steering response, but can give you a knocking sound as the polyurethane bushing is worn. Mine is knocking and it sounds like blown shocks!

drezy
17-09-2007, 12:38 AM
With the upper pillowball mount, you don't have to remove the stock mount from your stock suspension to use with the Tein SS. The Tein pillowball mount will improve steering response, but can give you a knocking sound as the polyurethane bushing is worn. Mine is knocking and it sounds like blown shocks!

hmmm, thing is.. if i do end up buying without the upper pillow mounts.. is it bad for the stock mounts?? like will they wear out after a while?

aaronng
17-09-2007, 12:59 AM
hmmm, thing is.. if i do end up buying without the upper pillow mounts.. is it bad for the stock mounts?? like will they wear out after a while?

No, it won't wear out unless you end up with a lot of negative camber by lowering it too much. Even so, you should get a rear camber kit to get proper camber settings. The front camber doesn't change much when lowered, so you won't need a kit for the front. The reason why the Tein pillowball mount knocks is because it is hard. As you wear it in, the tolerance gets a little larger and when polyurethane hits metal, you get a knocking sound. The car still drives fine and stuff.

drezy
17-09-2007, 01:06 AM
No, it won't wear out unless you end up with a lot of negative camber by lowering it too much. Even so, you should get a rear camber kit to get proper camber settings. The front camber doesn't change much when lowered, so you won't need a kit for the front. The reason why the Tein pillowball mount knocks is because it is hard. As you wear it in, the tolerance gets a little larger and when polyurethane hits metal, you get a knocking sound. The car still drives fine and stuff.

Thanks for the info.. much help... I'd rather not get a knocking sound so ill get without pillow upper mounts... also... where do u reckon i can get a camber kit from and how much do they go for roughly?

aaronng
17-09-2007, 12:25 PM
If u have a look on ebay u can get the ss for $950US and $350US for shipping

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TEIN-SS-COILOVER-04-06-ACURA-TSX-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33586QQihZ010Q QitemZ200030443470QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V




P.S does that warrent a PQ ???

No it doesn't.

aaronng
17-09-2007, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the info.. much help... I'd rather not get a knocking sound so ill get without pillow upper mounts... also... where do u reckon i can get a camber kit from and how much do they go for roughly?
I got the Ingalls rear camber kit from here (good seller and it arrived within 5 working days of postage): http://cgi.ebay.com.au/03-HONDA-ACCORD-ACURA-TL-TSX-INGALLS-REAR-CAMBER-KIT_W0QQitemZ230158549852QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33581Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Suntzu
17-09-2007, 12:48 PM
I dont use the mounts. Mine fine. I got mine for WAY less than $1400USD by using a dealer here.

drezy
17-09-2007, 06:34 PM
Wooo hoo ! Just ordered tein ss for my euro and now just waiting for them to arrive. Are they hard to install or should i get it done professionally?

Pumped
04-10-2007, 10:31 AM
I got the Ingalls rear camber kit from here (good seller and it arrived within 5 working days of postage): http://cgi.ebay.com.au/03-HONDA-ACCORD-ACURA-TL-TSX-INGALLS-REAR-CAMBER-KIT_W0QQitemZ230158549852QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33581Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ive ordered a few things off this guy in the past,
Great to deal with! :)

Suntzu
04-10-2007, 10:38 AM
Me too. Thats the ebayer I got my ingalls from. Hes good.

Entity
04-10-2007, 11:35 AM
its not a bad time to buy things from the US but the shipping will still slam you pretty hard

those ingalls i gotta admit are pretty good value

Suntzu
07-10-2007, 12:09 PM
What settings have you guys got on your Tein SS.

I have 10 at the fronts. Thats 6 clicks counter-clockwise from the max 16 setting.

Im not sure about the rears. Ill probably try 6 for the rears. Thats 10 clicks counter.

Any suggestions?

ENVSSS
07-10-2007, 12:33 PM
I've got mine set on setting 10 front and back.

Merlin086
07-10-2007, 01:21 PM
Bumpy roads in my area

Front 7
Rear 9

Suntzu
07-10-2007, 01:30 PM
Thats the number of clicks back from the max of 16 at the full clockwise yes?

Merlin086
07-10-2007, 01:39 PM
I went the full range then started at the midway point which is 8.

(damn forgotten now!...anti-clockwise is fully hard and clockwise is fully soft?, haven't touched them for 6 mths)

Setting of 8 IMHO is pretty equal to stock.

So in my case I've gone 1 click softer on the front and 1 click harder on the rear than stock.
This seems to work well over the bumpy roads in my area being a bit more forgiving in the front.

aaronng
07-10-2007, 09:45 PM
Full clockwise is hard. Full anti-clockwise is damper damage. You can only use the first 15 clicks from the hardest setting.

Suntzu
07-10-2007, 10:09 PM
I see.Then the issue when discussing this is always.

Is fully clockwise fully hard setting 16 ( as i believe)

Or is fully soft, turned anticlockwise 15 clicks setting 16 ?

aaronng
07-10-2007, 10:27 PM
Fully clockwise is level 16 (hardest). So turning it anticlockwise 15 clicks gives you level 1 (softest).

BUT! If you have the old silver coloured EDFC, Level 0 is hardest and Level 16 is softest, for some weird reason. Maybe that's why they discontinued it and released the new black coloured one.

leechi
22-10-2007, 04:04 PM
Hi all, I've been quoted a set of Tein SS for the Euro including fitment and laser wheel alignment for $2450 in Sydney. Is that about the right price?

Merlin086
22-10-2007, 04:09 PM
I bought mine here this year and with installation cost $1480 + alignment.

Don't pay the inflated price of coilovers imported by the distributor, buy them here like 99% of members do.

Do a search of sellers.....

euro1986
22-10-2007, 07:33 PM
go to max-hondapower gives really good deals

350G
22-10-2007, 07:50 PM
JDMyard sell it for $13XX
install should be $50 per corner.

leechi
22-10-2007, 08:41 PM
thanks guys.

snYpz
30-10-2007, 03:24 PM
Advice needed!!

Didnt want to start a new thread since there are so many lowering threads already.

Anyways, do u guys reckon its worth it lowering the car by just 25-30mm?
Does it make much of a difference in terms of looks?
If anyone has that kind of drop on their euro could u post some pics. :D

cheers

Pumped
30-10-2007, 03:42 PM
25-30mm is about what king springs will offer.
Before coilovers i had king springs in, it sat alright,
looked much lower then stock, standard with 19 inch wheels the car sat so high!
with the drop it was alright, not low low but looked good and took out some of the top roll.

Before
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5990/beforesz2.jpg
After
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6535/afterby6.jpg

From the two pics the drop looks huge :p

snYpz
30-10-2007, 04:59 PM
hey cheers for that Pumped :D
If i do lower, will only go for Tein ss. Anyone have anymore pics lol

Suntzu
30-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Tein SS and Whiteline Installed: http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3791/side1xd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And Before Tein ( stock height) :

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1183/sidesidefq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

snYpz
30-10-2007, 05:31 PM
how much is ur car lowered by suntzu?
Is ur car lowered 40mm up front and 30ish rear?

Suntzu
30-10-2007, 05:55 PM
I dont really know actually. But yeah about 40mm all round at least. Its a really perfect set-up for me, looks the goods and clears most driveways and esp. clears speed bumps easy. Took a few weeks of testing to get it right. I'm all about function not necessarily looks.

Merlin086
30-10-2007, 06:34 PM
Here's mine on the left on Tein SS with a 45mm drop, next to another on the right stock with suspension.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/791/66854593nb1.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66854593nb1.jpg)

snYpz
30-10-2007, 07:32 PM
nice pics guys. maybe we should start a suspension upgrade thread lol

akina
30-10-2007, 09:02 PM
Yup, I'm the one and only mugen sport :p

Petronas
03-09-2010, 10:34 PM
So just reviving an old thread here...

Where is the best place to purchase CL9 'Tien SS' coilovers in Sydney right now?

And where is the best place to fit? The only place I know of is Hannie's.

ck.kyo
04-09-2010, 06:27 AM
Anyone know about Tein Monoflex? Like how do they compare with SS,Flex and how is the ride comfort? Thank you.

Cheers

snYpz
04-09-2010, 06:38 PM
Tein flex - 14/8 (front/rear)
Tein mono - 16/10
Tein SS - 10/6

Stock i think is 6/4. Tein CS are 7/4 if you want close to stock. But pricey.
I have SS and its pretty close to stock imo.

snYpz
04-09-2010, 06:39 PM
So just reviving an old thread here...

Where is the best place to purchase CL9 'Tien SS' coilovers in Sydney right now?

And where is the best place to fit? The only place I know of is Hannie's.

PM benjamin, he installed my coilovers for a very good price and good quality job.
Top bloke too! :thumbsup:

Petronas
05-09-2010, 06:40 PM
PM benjamin, he installed my coilovers for a very good price and good quality job.
Top bloke too! :thumbsup:

Thanks for that. I'll contact him when I find a Euro I want to buy.

ck.kyo
07-09-2010, 01:00 AM
Tein flex - 14/8 (front/rear)
Tein mono - 16/10
Tein SS - 10/6

Stock i think is 6/4. Tein CS are 7/4 if you want close to stock. But pricey.
I have SS and its pretty close to stock imo.

Sorry for sounding noob but i dont know what those numbers mean, im guessing the closer to 6/4 the closer the ride comfort is to stock? And thus the tein mono's feel alot more harsher i assume than stock?

snYpz
07-09-2010, 06:59 PM
Sorry for sounding noob but i dont know what those numbers mean, im guessing the closer to 6/4 the closer the ride comfort is to stock? And thus the tein mono's feel alot more harsher i assume than stock?

yeah the higher the spring rate the harder/stiffer the springs will be. You really need to ride in a car with the coilovers to tell how much stiffer the ride feels. My tein ss feels close to stock, and i use it as a daily. None of my occupants, gf, parents, bro really noticed a deterioration to ride comfort compared to stock. I know members with buddyclub N+ which is similar to tein flex in spring rates, and they find it comfortable.

If you're after a slammed look, tein flex or N+ are what i would go for. If mild-medium drop and want close to stock spring rates, SS for price and tein CS if you want better quality.