My NA Build - Please Comment

[**Ghost**]

Can the experts please comment on this build?

1. Base b16A engine
2. EK9 Pistons
3. AUDM DC2R rods
4. ARP Rod, head Bolts
5. Spoon headgakset (thinner than OEM)
6. full port/polish

Am i missing anything or will anything not fit at all? i understand that i can use OEM B16A rods machined but i wanted to go for strength so contemplatinc DC2R rods

cams/ECU will come later...

[Parrott]

illd get the cams before the pnp

[BLKCRX]

Why go DC2R rods.. just get some eagle rods... I’m sure there cheaper than stock rods and much stronger! What about bearings for your crank/rods new thrust bearings... lower and upper engine VRS gasket kit, type R oil pump, new water pump, new timing belt, plus other belts.

And to be honest I would even look at aftermarket forged high compression pistons! Again a much better option than EK9 pistons. Higher compression is what you want with a 81.25mm bore size.

I would also consider not starting the project until u have enough money for cam’s and ECU, why only do half the job 2beging with save and do everything at once, if you can’t afford it save more money.

[Breeze]

You'll need a B18C block and B18C crank if you want to use the B18C R rods.

I drove an EK9 the other day that I am considering buying with this combo in it and it was incredible for an NA car. Late 13s, low 14s at the track. But these cars are about circuit anyway.

B18CR bottom end with B16B pistons
B16B head and cams, manifolds
B16B type R ECU (am sure the fuelling would be a bit light on)
Compression is very high at 12:1, the car I drove is fed 98 and has so far last 15000kms with this engine combo.
Stock head gasket.

Now B18C EK9 or EP3? Man it is hard here in NZ for choice...

[Perry]

You'll need a B18C block and B18C crank if you want to use the B18C R rods.

I drove an EK9 the other day that I am considering buying with this combo in it and it was incredible for an NA car. Late 13s, low 14s at the track. But these cars are about circuit anyway.

B18CR bottom end with B16B pistons
B16B head and cams, manifolds
B16B type R ECU (am sure the fuelling would be a bit light on)
Compression is very high at 12:1, the car I drove is fed 98 and has so far last 15000kms with this engine combo.
Stock head gasket.

Now B18C EK9 or EP3? Man it is hard here in NZ for choice...

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: 100% agree good combo

[wynode]

What's the goal?

[type one]

if you are opening the head do it all at once save money down the track - get it? hahahaha.

[**Ghost**]

thanks for the replies...

1. water pump + timing belt + alternator belts have already been done

2. i'm going to admit i dont know here wots a VRS gasket?

3. i'm also going to amdit i dont know wot thrust bearings are :)

4. reason i am getting Ek9 pistons is simple... i'm getting them shipped to my door from USA for $300 including rings and pins...

5. DC2R rods - reason is i dont know a better conrod to use, but thanks for teh suggestion james i'll look into Eagle

6. in a perfect world i'll get a wiseco ring/rod/piston/crank kit... but ah well...

[BLKCRX]

You don’t use OLD water pumps n timing belts on a NEW engine rebuild.. even if you just installed these parts into your current engine !!! get EVEYTHING new !!!

[**Ghost**]

hahaha even if they were in 2 weeks ago!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! y y y y y

can u pls tell me

1. wot a VRS gasket is (simple, for dummies explanation pls)
2. wot are thrust bearings for crank/rod... again a simple for dummies explanation would suffice just to get me started on research

[ProECU]

6. in a perfect world i'll get a wiseco ring/rod/piston/crank kit... but ah well...

Mate

I have brand new eagle rods & wiseco pistons + rings & pins I could possibly sell you. If you're interested, just shoot me an email.

Cheers

[wynode]

Thrust bearing = what some people call a throwout bearing. Used to disengage the clutch (pushes against the diaphram spring in the pressure plate).

Sure you need to replace the essentials but can't say I agree with James on replacing EVERYTHING. Inspect and replace whatever gaskets, seals and bearings that need replacing.

[jimmeh]

thrust bearings stop your crank from moving from side to side. if you gonna open up your motor you might you might as well replace replace everything because itll stop you from doing it later on and it will give you piece of mind.
definately replace the oil and water pump - why- cos they are two of the most important parts on your car.
i am building my b18c and i replaced everything and youll be surprise how it cheap is.
a full gasket kit is cheap. PM me if you want one.

[BLKCRX]

Yeah that’s correct thrust bearings stop the crank moving side to side, 2 half moon bearings for the B engines.
But yeah replace replace replace replace do it correctly the 1st time, how would you feel if your whole engine went bang… just because you didn’t replace a 50$ part.
Build it right the first time, have it built by someone who knows what there doing the 1st time, same goes for porting and polishing, have it done by a expert, not just someone who says that can do it.

Regards James

[**Ghost**]

thanks everyone...

i just checked the various bearings they're only like 100 for the WHOLE SET from usa... so yeh might as well thanks for the advice on that one again

jimmeh - if u dont mind could u pm me with how much it cost u?

james - simply thanks

pro-ecu - if u have it by end of december when i get my christmas bonus i will email u,

[BLKCRX]

i just checked the various bearings they're only like 100 for the WHOLE SET from usa... so yeh might as well thanks for the advice on that one again

hmmm whole set of bearings for $100 that seems wrong.
Bearings need to be matched exactly to your rod crank and block. EXACTLY. You can’t pre order bearings from over seas, and ONLY use Honda bearings.
Honda have colour coded bearings specifically for every application, depending on clearances. This is something that MUST be matched up by a expert engine builder not something you order off the net.

Honestly road bearings around 30$ per half shell, and you need 8 of them

Crank bearings are around 40$ per half shell and you need 10 of them

Thrust bearings around about 40$ each, and you need two of them

Expect to pay over 500$ for bearings.

Regards James

[**Ghost**]

one more thing... i'm going to hong kong at the end of year. I dont know if u guys are aware but parts, even in the most REPUTABLE shops in HK are at least 20%-25% cheaper than in australia.

i know Hong Kong = dodgey pirated japanese porn + taiawanese imo stuff for most ppl, but if u go to the right places ('ll have a friend take me) u can score bargains

y the hell is australia so expensive? i'm not chukcing rocks at aussie traders but EK9 pistons cost $600 with rings here. in usa, not ebay but large online shops its shipped to your door for like $350 ish... and thats not even trade price,thats open to the publci price

[**Ghost**]

i just checked the various bearings they're only like 100 for the WHOLE SET from usa... so yeh might as well thanks for the advice on that one again

hmmm whole set of bearings for $100 that seems wrong.
Bearings need to be matched exactly to your rod crank and block. EXACTLY. You can’t pre order bearings from over seas, and ONLY use Honda bearings.
Honda have colour coded bearings specifically for every application, depending on clearances. This is something that MUST be matched up by a expert engine builder not something you order off the net.

Honestly road bearings around 30$ per half shell, and you need 8 of them

Crank bearings are around 40$ per half shell and you need 10 of them

Thrust bearings around about 40$ each, and you need two of them

Expect to pay over 500$ for bearings.

Regards James

thats exactly wot i found in usa... they sell oem bearings (theres about a billion of them, bearing a, b c, d then top bearing a b c d, etc etc...

so ur saying a APL/TOGA set wont fit onto my engine?

[wynode]

The USA has a much larger HONDA market than Australia with A LOT more aftermarket support.

[Weq]

yep i got rods and pistons for around 1k shipped. came with arp bolts. all bearings and stuff the machine shop measured and ordered directly from honda.

[poid]

thats not a bad price at all, which pistons did you get?

[**Ghost**]

how many bearings did u end up buying weq? have u seen the "set" sold by Toga?