planning on going to the darkside lol!! (vtec) [Archive]

locote

13-10-2005, 12:26 PM

i got some prices today here goes.
all base on 1100buks labour.
b16a $1800
b18c $2200
b18c $4500 (jap spec ITR)
add the labour charge to that and thats how much itll cost.
i can pay cash and get the b16 and b18 done in 2 weeks.
but typeR id need a loan (dont wanna be broke)
my car only weighs 1116kg.
30kg heavier than a ITR
9kg heavier than a Civic vtir.
so even the b16a stock would prob be faster than my b18b

Savant

13-10-2005, 12:37 PM

What's your question? Which should you choose?

$5600 for a type r engine is quite a lot if you think about it. Roughly worth half of your car...

Just go the b18c. I always notice the difference between driving a 1.8 to a 1.6

locote

13-10-2005, 12:41 PM

kool
thats the 1 he aint got in stock atm.
he will get bak to me this arvo if he can find 1.
hes got like 5 b16s but
b16 plus stoker kit and cams and ecu should net good HP but???

locote

13-10-2005, 12:43 PM

toda stroker kit 1820cc, is only 4999 here in perth, set of stage 3 crower cams.

locote

13-10-2005, 12:44 PM

plus it goes up to 11.1:1 comp ratio

locote

13-10-2005, 12:46 PM

does that seen like a good way of getting good N/A power under 10gs???

heist

13-10-2005, 01:05 PM

dude, what place are u getting ur halfcut from?

FR33K

13-10-2005, 01:19 PM

didnt you say you had a turbo kit sittin in the garage or am i thinking of someone else ?

the 403s would still be better for FI than stock cams any way so im getting them installed next week ill get it tuned up with the safc2, take it to drags c what i can pull,
then the next time i go itll have twice the power

and my kit is in my garage.
400hp garret t28R, along with my crower cam kit, 6kg flywheel, looking at buying a KAAZ lsd, HD organic clutch.
i wanna get it all put in at once dont wanna take my car backwards and forwards from workshop.
wont b goin in soon cause my license has been suspended.
i dont drive the car.

locote

13-10-2005, 01:24 PM

yep still there:)
i still need injectors, pump, fuel press reg, clutch. ecu.
my girl has a teg too i think she might want it in her car to just run low boost.
whent for a ride in a vtir civic with i/e mods and it pissed!!!!
b16a is pretty cheap.
ill waste it and rebuild it with toda kit

FR33K

13-10-2005, 01:26 PM

i wouldnt go b16 in a dc4 IMO
theres no torque.. trust me

locote

13-10-2005, 01:26 PM

Honbits in myaree is not a front cut it just the motor and ecu.
use same harness just add the extra vtec wires in, thats what they do apperently.
is that a good method???

locote

13-10-2005, 01:28 PM

with the toda kit it takes it up to 2.0lt but, just on stroke with standard bore!!

BLKCRX

13-10-2005, 01:57 PM

Why not just put a vtec head on your engine and spend the left over money on cams and new high comp pistons.

Regards James

locote

13-10-2005, 02:01 PM

i was told its not reliable!!
is that true???

ginganggooly

13-10-2005, 02:07 PM

i was told its not reliable!!
is that true???
depends on who puts it together :)

b18cfreak

13-10-2005, 02:33 PM

Get the plain b18c and build that one up, it'll work out cheaper and way quicker than doing the b18cR (jap spec)

locote

13-10-2005, 02:43 PM

i might spend the exta 400bucks and get the b18c, might have to wait a while till he finds one but.

b18cfreak

13-10-2005, 02:50 PM

trust me when i say you won't regret going plain old b18c ;) it'll be worth the wait :cool:

locote

13-10-2005, 02:55 PM

locote

13-10-2005, 02:58 PM

should run easy 14s with a good launch wich is what in having a lot of trouble with!!!!
my 60ft times a crap!!!

VT3C

13-10-2005, 03:45 PM

should run easy 14s with a good launch wich is what in having a lot of trouble with!!!!
my 60ft times a crap!!!

easy 14's ? hmmm

forget the B18C.. just buy a B16A head and go LS-VTEC.. much better than B18C.. closer to the Type R.

otherwise i'll have your B18B block..

locote

13-10-2005, 04:16 PM

know of any b16a heads for sale with all the fruit???

Felix

13-10-2005, 04:48 PM

Neither of them. Go K20a.
or H22a.

Locote i thourght u were definately going turbo. I remember you saying that if you wanted vtec that you would have gotten a ITR>?????

Felix

13-10-2005, 04:53 PM

yeah i guess considering ill be goin up from 101kw to 127kw.
and vtir weighs 1176kg, gsi weighs 1116kg.
having a motor thats meant for a car 60kg heavier will feel a difference.
im sold i just got find 1 now.

60kg. that can be easily made up by removeing spare tire, back seat and going on a diet........
Seriously though, 60kg will make about .1 of a second down the drags...

HyperZ

13-10-2005, 05:03 PM

Whos honbits getting to do the swap? Themselves?

2NTICN

13-10-2005, 05:09 PM

dude those b18c prices seem very cheap, u telling me u can get a b18c in ur car for less than $4gz?

ginganggooly

13-10-2005, 05:25 PM

take the weight figures with a grain of salt...
i.e. i've read figures varying from 1127 to 1160kg for the vti-r and similar amounts for the dc4's.

I've read japanese specs putting dc2rs at 1080, which i'm assuming is in their crazy arse spec with no carpet, airbags, radio or aircon.

fwiw, unless the hardware that goes into the sunroof weighs 60kg, i doubt very much that there is anywhere near 60kg difference in mass between the dc2 and dc4.

XRATED

13-10-2005, 05:27 PM

is b18b is the type r engine?

if so what is b18c

locote

13-10-2005, 05:29 PM

yep:)
felix when you compare the price of doin a b18c conversion to turbo(with everything that is involved with it) i rather just get a vtec and rebuild it, wont get the power of a turbo but less head aches.
anyways that jdm b18 looks realy tempting. its had some work done to it to.
the bloke reacons it went pretty hard in the DC2 it was in.
the intake manifold doesnt look standard either its got fat and shorter runners than the 1s i have seen.
the bloke reacons his had it up to 9000rpm, and only done 60 000ks.
its been siting on a palette for bout 4months but dont know if that will make an engine seize or what????
its very dirty but, needs a good clean and polish!!!

locote

13-10-2005, 05:31 PM

im goin by what the rego papers says i imagine the cars are weighed when they arrive from JAPAN, regos are based on weight of car so id say thats accurate.
and stock gsi wheels are steel, prod weigh 20kg each

2NTICN

13-10-2005, 05:33 PM

dude u still didnt answer my question, u said u can get a b18c installed for under $4k??? TRUE???

locote

13-10-2005, 05:35 PM

yes.
bare motor but,
using my gearbox, mounts, loom.

vtec>turbo

13-10-2005, 07:01 PM

is b18b is the type r engine?

if so what is b18c

b18b is not the Type R engine, b18c5 and b18c7 is the Type R engine,

b18b is from the integra GSi.

Go the b18c2 IMO, JDM Type R engine is overated...

FR33K

13-10-2005, 07:32 PM

yes.
bare motor but,
using my gearbox, mounts, loom.

you wont be running 14s with your gbox

ONV73C

13-10-2005, 07:59 PM

you'll miss the torque of the 1800cc if u opt for the b16a.

IMO go for the B18C or poor man's typR

b18cfreak

13-10-2005, 08:56 PM

easy 14's ? hmmm

forget the B18C.. just buy a B16A head and go LS-VTEC.. much better than B18C.. closer to the Type R.

otherwise i'll have your B18B block..

Your looking for a non vtec block? I have my old engine sitting here in my garage doing nothing.. :wave: its B18A but it's same thing..

locote

13-10-2005, 09:03 PM

so it be a good idea to hunt around for a b16a gbox or itr box???

b18cfreak

13-10-2005, 09:05 PM

I have b18c and am running the standard LS gearbox and i'm dead level with a guy with the same car as me except with b16a only because he has the proper gear box for his engine, otherwise i should be smacking him...

locote

13-10-2005, 09:56 PM

is that over a 1/4 mile run, i think lower gears would be pretty even but when u get into 3rd 4th the b18c would pull harder

b18cfreak

13-10-2005, 10:33 PM

I'd say i'd start pulling past at around 130 - 140

Felix

13-10-2005, 11:36 PM

yep:)
felix when you compare the price of doin a b18c conversion to turbo(with everything that is involved with it) i rather just get a vtec and rebuild it, wont get the power of a turbo but less head aches.
!!

I remember trying to tell u this ages ago. U were very adament that you were turboing. anyways good luck with it all. Personally though if you want vtec i think u would be better selling your car and getting a vtir or ITR. At least then you know its not a dodgy front cut engine. Also less hassle worrying about the install.

locote

14-10-2005, 01:29 AM

4500 for a jap b18c is a really good price.
its only done 60 000ks.
the insurance on a typeR is a bit to steep,
the bloke also has a 97 vtir for sale and offered to do a swap with me + 4grand.
but its at panel shop and i dont know what it looks like or what state its in

locote

14-10-2005, 01:37 AM

ErazeR

14-10-2005, 12:40 PM

why are u doing a conversion for anywya?
did u blow ur motor?

VT3C

14-10-2005, 01:01 PM

do the B16A headswap.. when u get bored, is perfect setup for boost.

HyperZ

14-10-2005, 02:08 PM

most typeRs cost round 25+. theres some real nice 1s for sale here in WA.
but i dont think i wanna go through trying to sell another car so soon.
as ppl that have tried selling a car its a bit of a nightmare

Theres a CW DC2R in autotrader for $24.5k i believe... red number plate cant quite make it out... 5UCK1 or 1UCKY?

locote

14-10-2005, 03:02 PM

ill look in to it.
just went to another dyno cause apperently the 1 one i went gives out dodgy figures.
and got my safc looked at cause i need it wasnt setup correctly.
and i was right!!!
air fuel ratio was fkd!!
so got retuned.
finaly got a good gain throuhg out the whole rev range and same for torque
ended up with 108hp at wheels on this dyno.
they talked me out of goin b16a as they only make bout 2 hp more on that same dyno and a lot less torque.
he recomended finding b16a head and putting that on and goin for a higher compresion ratio, LS/VTEC he has seen some put 170hp on that same dyno.

locote

14-10-2005, 03:04 PM

hes got a 4-2-1 1piece header. putting that on monday and dyno in it if it makes a difference ill buy them if not he will take them off.
its a display one so its been hanging on the wall for bout a year:)

HyperZ

14-10-2005, 04:31 PM

Which dyno is this at just curious so i know who to look out for next time =P

ill look in to it.
just went to another dyno cause apperently the 1 one i went gives out dodgy figures.
and got my safc looked at cause i need it wasnt setup correctly.
and i was right!!!
air fuel ratio was fkd!!
so got retuned.
finaly got a good gain throuhg out the whole rev range and same for torque
ended up with 108hp at wheels on this dyno.
they talked me out of goin b16a as they only make bout 2 hp more on that same dyno and a lot less torque.
he recomended finding b16a head and putting that on and goin for a higher compresion ratio, LS/VTEC he has seen some put 170hp on that same dyno.

locote

14-10-2005, 04:32 PM

formaz

HyperZ

14-10-2005, 04:35 PM

ahh okay..

formaz

VT3C

14-10-2005, 04:38 PM

he recomended finding b16a head and putting that on and goin for a higher compresion ratio, LS/VTEC he has seen some put 170hp on that same dyno.

hello.. havnt I been sayin that all-along ? hahaha