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tuffAC
19-10-2005, 02:00 PM
Does anyone know if current 05 season F1 cars are turboed or have forced induction?. I was always under the impression that it wasnt, and that only Indy cars have turbos etc. :wave:

Miss Chanel
19-10-2005, 02:02 PM
Theyr na.. more reliable :)

NeoNode
19-10-2005, 02:05 PM
Next season they're going V8 :( I'm going to miss the noise.

http://www.cosworth.com/downloads/cosworthV8_movie5_medium.mpg
:D

tuffAC
19-10-2005, 02:15 PM
Thx for the feedback. So is this a rule that they must be NA?

NeoNode
19-10-2005, 02:18 PM
They banned Turbos on Formula One ages ago.

j3z3z
19-10-2005, 02:41 PM
turboes were banned in the late 80's since then its been all na starting with v12 v10 v8 all 3.2lt then they made a rule in 98 for all to be v10 with a drop in engine capacity 3lt now they have gone v8 2.8lt (maybe 2.6 not to sure) but within 2-5 yrs we should see the same level of perfomance

Vivski
19-10-2005, 02:59 PM
They are forced induction in the sense that when they're going 300km/h, there's a lot of pressure built up just from the intake. It's certainly not atmospheric pressure.

aaronng
19-10-2005, 03:19 PM
2005 spec is 3.0L V10. For 2006, it will be 2.4L V8. All NA. The last turbo F1 was during Ayrton Senna's time.

Hondavirgin
19-10-2005, 03:35 PM
They used to run like 2 bar + or something i think....hahaha, thats some pressure!

Vivski
19-10-2005, 04:13 PM
Well there's not much room in an F1 for a big turbo and much less an intercooler!

aaronng
19-10-2005, 06:07 PM
When they allowed turbos, the engines used were 1.3L. 700+hp from a 1.3L turbo... Yum.

nEUROtic
19-10-2005, 08:10 PM
So the answer is no.

*Thread closed*

lol

jackosimm
19-10-2005, 08:11 PM
When they allowed turbos, the engines used were 1.3L. 700+hp from a 1.3L turbo... Yum.

Ill take one?

j3z3z
19-10-2005, 08:30 PM
when tuboes were in f1 they were running 1.5lt with 30 to 50 psi Then major teams were achieving 1200hp at the motor but no traction lower grip slower times

Hondavirgin
19-10-2005, 08:58 PM
back in the days of qualifying engines and tyres.

I agree though, i'm fairly sure they were 1.5s.

j3z3z
19-10-2005, 09:32 PM
Renaults return in 1977


Returning to Grand Prix racing after an absence of almost 70 years was French car pioneer Renault along with an equally illustrious name, Michelin. It was Michelin that would introduce radial-ply tires to Formula One just as it had led the way with detachable rims at the beginning of the century. Renault also had a trick up its sleeve that would change Formula One in a couple of years. Their cars were powered by a 1.5 liter turbocharged engine which produced approximately 500 bhp. By 1985 turbocharged engines were producing over 1000 bhp.

Vivski
20-10-2005, 01:18 PM
Honda should release a 1.3lt turbo 1200hp Civic Breeze. :rofl:

Hondavirgin
20-10-2005, 01:27 PM
Honda should release a 1.3lt turbo 1200hp Civic Breeze. :rofl:

haha, the service places would make a fortune, those qualifying spec engines weren't built to last more than a few laps....

"Hello Mr Smith, when would you like to book your car in for its 500km service and rebuild. Your 400km service and rebuild was done two weeks ago" :D

aaronng
20-10-2005, 01:33 PM
when tuboes were in f1 they were running 1.5lt with 30 to 50 psi Then major teams were achieving 1200hp at the motor but no traction lower grip slower times
Whoops, you're right. 1.5L. Interestingly, they had a choice of I4 or V6 engines, depending on which they wanted to develop. Surprisingly, I found quite a big difference in power figures. In one year (1985), there are specs for power ranging from 750 to 900hp! http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=f1.php&fyear=1980#top

aaronng
20-10-2005, 01:35 PM
BTW, just found info that the 2006 2.4L V8s spin at up to 22,000rpm!

j3z3z
20-10-2005, 02:13 PM
BTW, just found info that the 2006 2.4L V8s spin at up to 22,000rpm!

yes they will and higher to gain back lost power. hopefully buy the time they decide they v8's are to powerfull they will be reving from 25-30k

aaronng
20-10-2005, 03:26 PM
Quite silly, the F1 rules. They limited the downforce, so the teams developed aerodynamic aids. They now limit engine power by using smaller capacity engines, but the team will find ways to make more power. So silly! If they want to limit power, just tell the teams, 800hp max! Don't shit around by telling everyone to change engine size.

LUD02C
20-10-2005, 04:55 PM
From what I have seen on a DVD, the Group B rally cars were just as fast as the turbo F1 cars.

Now think about this, the Group B cars were on dirt not tarmac!
That is amazing.
I personally think they were running (2004,2005) around 1000Hp+ just no one really checked it.
They will make the V8 engines just as fast!

Hondavirgin
20-10-2005, 05:00 PM
Quite silly, the F1 rules. They limited the downforce, so the teams developed aerodynamic aids. They now limit engine power by using smaller capacity engines, but the team will find ways to make more power. So silly! If they want to limit power, just tell the teams, 800hp max! Don't shit around by telling everyone to change engine size.

No way you could enforce that, they could instantly switch tune levels if they were told their cars would be tested to keep under the power limit.

Jus-10
20-10-2005, 05:39 PM
A guy here in Sydney has a BMW F1 Turbo engine in his 2002 Sports Sedan....crazy shite.

It's putting out somewhere in the region of 700hp for "reliability" purposes....but it's an insane little motor to have a look at. 1.5 litres with a monstrous turbo hanging off it...

j3z3z
20-10-2005, 08:20 PM
the highest power teams were achieving throughout 04/05 were 940bhp to 980bhp. The teams that have already started testing their v8s are claiming well above the 750bhp estimates and 2 are claiming to have made in excess of 880bhp

civiceg9
28-10-2005, 02:47 AM
Honda, Benz(Ilmor-they work with Honda in the states before), Toyota and Cosworth all have experience with racing V8 engines in IRL and CART. Only Ferrari and Renault don't have current V8 experience.

Should be interesting to see who will have the best engine.
Go Honda!!! :D

aaronng
28-10-2005, 10:15 AM
Ferarri has V8 experience. Their 355, 360 and 430s are all V8s! Hehe. But yeah, I don't think they have racing V8 engine experience.

Hondavirgin
28-10-2005, 10:48 AM
I don't think Ferrari will have too many dramas in the engine department, what they may lack in V8 racing engine experience they more than make up for in $$$$$$.

Plus, their engines are basically de-tuned race engines anyway, chuck some higher quality componentry in there and you're away.

bigteethygrin
28-10-2005, 11:34 AM
Next season they're going V8 :( I'm going to miss the noise.

http://www.cosworth.com/downloads/cosworthV8_movie5_medium.mpg
:D

They should buy an xforce cannon muffler :D

guaranteed to get a yellow sticker on everycar in the grid

Jus-10
28-10-2005, 11:43 AM
Maybe Holden or Ford can affer some advice???

HAHAHA

Fez will kill it next year

civiceg9
29-10-2005, 02:30 AM
Ford and Holden puff
big old long stroke V8 engine that revs 8000rpm

a Honda VTEC road car can do better then that lol.