Do yous think im gettin a good deal??

[2002 TeGgY]

hey all,
i just came back from strathfield car radios and i was quoted the following:

an 800W pioneer amp
1 amp kit 8 GA streatwires
2 12" pioneer subbies
empty sub box to fit 2 subs

all up its gonna cost $866 including installation.

on the other hand another car radio place quoted me the alpine equivelent to all that stuff for $900. which one shud i go for??

[EGB16A]

hey all,
i just came back from strathfield car radios and i was quoted the following:

an 800W pioneer amp
1 amp kit 8 GA streatwires
2 12" pioneer subbies
empty sub box to fit 2 subs

all up its gonna cost $866 including installation.

on the other hand another car radio place quoted me the alpine equivelent to all that stuff for $900. which one shud i go for??

got model numbers for this stuff?

[2002 TeGgY]

got model numbers for this stuff?
na man, but its all d latest stuff. sorry im not real good wit audio stuff, but everyone keeps tellin me to for alpine.

[Captiva_Blue]

Working on the assumption that it's all base model gear, I'd go for the Pioneer. With that kind of setup you probably wouldn't notice any difference in sound quality which is all the Alpine stuff will likely give you over the Pioneer gear.

Keep the extra 34 bucks and pay someone to slap you for using the word 'yous'... Joking.. :p

[vividjazz]

Have you listened to either setup or something similar? They should sound quite different.

[Captiva_Blue]

Any setup that puts 2x 12's in a generic (and usually undersized) sub box will sound pretty much the same in my opinion.. pretty crap.

Just out of curiosity 2002 TeGgY, what else does your system consist of and what are you hoping to get out of it (ie: SQ, SPL, numberplate rattler/doof system..etc). If possible get us some model numbers so we can give you a better idea...

[ICACHA]

hey all,
i just came back from strathfield car radios and i was quoted the following:

an 800W pioneer amp
1 amp kit 8 GA streatwires
2 12" pioneer subbies
empty sub box to fit 2 subs

all up its gonna cost $866 including installation.

on the other hand another car radio place quoted me the alpine equivelent to all that stuff for $900. which one shud i go for??

Dont know what the items are worth, BUT will you get a good install? Stuff the price if the install is sh!t house!!!

[2002 TeGgY]

Any setup that puts 2x 12's in a generic (and usually undersized) sub box will sound pretty much the same in my opinion.. pretty crap.

Just out of curiosity 2002 TeGgY, what else does your system consist of and what are you hoping to get out of it (ie: SQ, SPL, numberplate rattler/doof system..etc). If possible get us some model numbers so we can give you a better idea...
iv alredy got a pioneer DEH-P5750MP head unit, stock speakers (which are pritty good) and das about it.

the alpine products are as follows:

an MRP-M350 amp, 2 SWS-12220 subs, 1 amp kit 8 GA streatwires, and i can tell them to put them in seperate boxes. these guys are good, they compete in summer nats and they win, i dont know if any of yous herd of them, they're called Wagga Car Radio (WCR). so yeh

[2002 TeGgY]

Dont know what the items are worth, BUT will you get a good install? Stuff the price if the install is sh!t house!!!
na man, their installs are guaranteed for life and they're local so they cant stuff around.

[wkdteg]

ive heard bad things about strathfield installations.
i think the amp u r talkin about is the Pioneer (Premier) GM-7150M or the australian equivalent. i am currently runnin 1 of those with a pair of 12" boss subs (yes they r crap), but i seem 2 b gettin sum good sound from them.
i think the subs would b either the 305C or 306C, which both produce sum very good results when powered by the amp i mentioned.
i would however, recomend using 4g wiring over the 8, just 2 b safe.
the only problem i would have is captiva_blue mentioned is the box size. from wat i have read, the box that the 305C come with rnt optimum for them, although they do seem to work well with 1cuft enclosures
cheers

[2002 TeGgY]

ive heard bad things about strathfield installations.
i think the amp u r talkin about is the Pioneer (Premier) GM-7150M or the australian equivalent. i am currently runnin 1 of those with a pair of 12" boss subs (yes they r crap), but i seem 2 b gettin sum good sound from them.
i think the subs would b either the 305C or 306C, which both produce sum very good results when powered by the amp i mentioned.
i would however, recomend using 4g wiring over the 8, just 2 b safe.
the only problem i would have is captiva_blue mentioned is the box size. from wat i have read, the box that the 305C come with rnt optimum for them, although they do seem to work well with 1cuft enclosures
cheers
thnx on your advice dude. i think im gonna go for the alpine and Wagga Car Radio. but should i get them in seperate boxes??

[wkdteg]

depends on wat the recomended enclosure size is, and if their offering prefab boxes or custom boxes. discuss this with the installer

[VTECACCORD]

instead of getting 2 12" subs get 1 12" type R subs, its always better to have one higher end sub than 2 lower end subs

[ICACHA]

na man, their installs are guaranteed for life and they're local so they cant stuff around.

sorry to burst your bubble, but if you go ring around and ask you will find that almost all stores offer an installation guarantee for life *providing you are the original owner of the install and the car* :)

[micka]

na man, their installs are guaranteed for life and they're local so they cant stuff around.
I think you'll find ICACHA is implying there's an enormous difference between an install that will work, not damaging anything; and an install done ideally to get the most out of your equipment (ie speakers properly installed, solidly mounted, sound deadening + custom sub box etc)

[ICACHA]

micka, I wanted him to use his brain in judging who will give him the best install that will make the equipment shine rather than a head ache after hes forked out money and the system doesnt perform to its fullest or even installed correctly as you have stated :)

[2002 TeGgY]

Thanx a lot dudes, last night i asked around and everyone who had their systems installed by WCR are very happy with their install. so im definately gonna go for the Alpine system. its gettin done on tues. ill tell yous how it went..

[2002 TeGgY]

instead of getting 2 12" subs get 1 12" type R subs, its always better to have one higher end sub than 2 lower end subs
are you sure man?? i personally dont think one sub can sound better than two. correct me if im wrong. :D

[SiR JDM]

From my experience with 2 subs (which isn't much btw), its very loud with pretty unclea bass... I prefer a nice branded 12" or 10" if u cant afford the 12.

It depends what music your into and how loud/clear you like your music. If your after really hard techas/trance, pair of 8-10"s would prob be best, but if your gonna be pumping bassy songs on twin 8/10s id definatly go the single 12"er.

[ICACHA]

are you sure man?? i personally dont think one sub can sound better than two. correct me if im wrong. :D

define sounding better?

what is your ultimate goal with the subs?

[ICACHA]

From my experience with 2 subs (which isn't much btw), its very loud with pretty unclea bass... I prefer a nice branded 12" or 10" if u cant afford the 12.

It depends what music your into and how loud/clear you like your music. If your after really hard techas/trance, pair of 8-10"s would prob be best, but if your gonna be pumping bassy songs on twin 8/10s id definatly go the single 12"er.

Have a read of this that I copied and pasted... See if it changes your outlook on subbass :)

TIGHT BASS is sometimes misunderstood...

If your bass is crossed over at a low crossover point the bass from the woofer cannot by itself be TIGHT...

The PERCEPTION OF TIGHTNESS is often governed by how well the other speakers in the car match the levels of the woofers ....

Think about it for a second...
When a drumstick strikes a drum (or even a foot peddle) the initial sound you hear has the tightness of the drum skin or drum surface, which is ACTUALLY HIGHS not lows! The bass that comes with it might be VERY LOW, but what defines the drums tightness is ACTUALLY HIGH FREQUENCY!

Think about this also, or better yet try it yourself, Turn all the amps off except your bass amp and the woofers (only) WILL SOUND MUDDY!

This MUDDYNESS is what woofers DO!
And crossed over like we do in cars MUDDYNESS IS ALL THAT THE WOOFERS CAN DO!

ITS NORMAL!

SO, to make these woofers sound tight, the secret is to make your MIDS and HIGHS mave lots of output just like your woofers do. Then the system makes the woofers SOUND TIGHT!....

Seriously take the TIGHTEST BASS SYSTEM you know and turn off all the amps but the bass amps and I thinkyou will agree with me the bass drivers alone SOUND MUDDY and NOT
TIGHT at alll.....

[2002 TeGgY]

Have a read of this that I copied and pasted... See if it changes your outlook on subbass :)

TIGHT BASS is sometimes misunderstood...

If your bass is crossed over at a low crossover point the bass from the woofer cannot by itself be TIGHT...

The PERCEPTION OF TIGHTNESS is often governed by how well the other speakers in the car match the levels of the woofers ....

Think about it for a second...
When a drumstick strikes a drum (or even a foot peddle) the initial sound you hear has the tightness of the drum skin or drum surface, which is ACTUALLY HIGHS not lows! The bass that comes with it might be VERY LOW, but what defines the drums tightness is ACTUALLY HIGH FREQUENCY!

Think about this also, or better yet try it yourself, Turn all the amps off except your bass amp and the woofers (only) WILL SOUND MUDDY!

This MUDDYNESS is what woofers DO!
And crossed over like we do in cars MUDDYNESS IS ALL THAT THE WOOFERS CAN DO!

ITS NORMAL!

SO, to make these woofers sound tight, the secret is to make your MIDS and HIGHS mave lots of output just like your woofers do. Then the system makes the woofers SOUND TIGHT!....

Seriously take the TIGHTEST BASS SYSTEM you know and turn off all the amps but the bass amps and I thinkyou will agree with me the bass drivers alone SOUND MUDDY and NOT
TIGHT at alll.....
so basically what your sayin is that to have a nice system you should also have upgraded speakers and an amp for the speakers? if so, then is my system gonna turn out crap?? i only got the factory speakers

[ICACHA]

Q: what does what i quoted about the sound of subbass got to do with speakers?

A: nothing :)

ok so now your saying that your keeping the factory speaker, but the only upgrade your doing is adding a subwoofer or two?

Q: WHY?

A: <insert your answer here> :)

[wkdteg]

if ur gonna upgrade to subbies, ur more than likely goin to drown out any trebble or midbase produced from the stock speakers. ull just hear base. even the simplest of upgrades to splits or even coax upfront will provide a better difference

[2002 TeGgY]

The PERCEPTION OF TIGHTNESS is often governed by how well the other speakers in the car match the levels of the woofers ....

thats where u mentioned speakers dude. im sorry if im askin too many questions but i duno much bout sound systems. no need for bein smart thnx ;)

[ICACHA]

The PERCEPTION OF TIGHTNESS is often governed by how well the other speakers in the car match the levels of the woofers ....

thats where u mentioned speakers dude. im sorry if im askin too many questions but i duno much bout sound systems. no need for bein smart thnx ;)

then i ask why are you bothering with adding a sub or 2 if your not changing your speakers first? do them first and then upgrade to a sub later, not point having bass if the other speakers are the weak link in your system, and im not being a smart ass im trying to get you to think for yourself rather than making a mistake the first time round. :)

[aka_NSX]

ICACHA is right, u better get a nicer split for ur front rather then spend ur money on the sub, u dont need to spend big money on the splits but u just need to make sure that u like the sound of the speaker u r getting, but if u think ur oem one is good enough i reckon u just into a Boom - Boom and dont care about the SQ

[2002 TeGgY]

hey all, i got the system installed yesterday. i went for the alpine set up, and it goes offf. yous were right about the subs drowning out the music, but wen i put the base down a bit, its not that bad. there is one funny problem though, when ever i turn my head lights on the amp and subs stop working. i already rebooked it again for them to fix, but they were pritty shoked and confused when i told them about the problem. can anyone please explain to me WTF is goin on????

[wkdteg]

yeah thats weird
usually the headlights 'bounce' when the system is up, coz of the amount of power being used by the amps... could just b sum faulty wiring
hate 2 say... we told ya so :p

[ICACHA]

is it connected off the factory head unit? if so get them to connect the amp trigger to accessories, but hey THEY should already know that and dont need other PROFESSIONALS telling them how to do their job :D

also get them to check the ground on the amp, if thats crapola then it can also cause the amp to shut off. also pay them a little extra and get your ground wire from your battery upgraded too :)

[mrwillz]

tower audios got a mad package atm
alpine hu, alphine s-series splits, amp+type s sub and box for 950

[wkdteg]

shyte... sounds like a sick deal!

[VTC-8OY]

#### deal, id never get anything from strathfeild car radio's, theyre stock are all old models. if u want good deal go to lifestyle..

[mrwillz]

wot is strathfield?

[ITRBoI]

strathfeild car radio's and lifestyle are not that good......delt with them before and yet i have to fix it up myself whn i get home no good......but than again i guess its all comes down to who you trust..........

as for the problem with the headlights.......i think there is a lose wire that is touching somehwere cause it shouldn't of happen

[ITRBoI]

hey all, i got the system installed yesterday. i went for the alpine set up, and it goes offf. yous were right about the subs drowning out the music, but wen i put the base down a bit, its not that bad. there is one funny problem though, when ever i turn my head lights on the amp and subs stop working. i already rebooked it again for them to fix, but they were pritty shoked and confused when i told them about the problem. can anyone please explain to me WTF is goin on????

i guess is what you pay for is what you get...... :D dont mean to be a smart ass but yeah that is the fact....

[adam87]

also you say with the alpine gear that your getting it is an mrpm300 and a sws1222d. that sub is dual 2ohm, you want the sws1242d as it is dual 4 ohm which will present a 2ohm load to your amp and therefore will be given more power to the sub. i have two sws1242d's and two mrdm301(v12 version) amps in my ek hatch and they have recorded 143.9db at Bris Autosalon a couple of weekends ago.