Honda Civic B18C

[pkn-xtc]

A fellow forum member and a friend of mine is thinking about buying the following car off a friend. what do u guys reckon? should he buy it?

93 Honda Civic GL

pros:
B18C engine with front brake conversion from a vtir integra
new metallic black paint with a gold pearl
gold 17' neo lenso rims
full body kit including sideskirts, front and rear bar. (not too outrageous,
looks subtle. really nice and clean)
crx bucket seats
full 2.5' exhaust
4-2-1 headers
pod filter
microtech + controller
gold 17' neo lenso rims
alarm system with window lifters, engine warmer.
black window tints

cons:
rear drum brakes
no air conditioning unit
the interior was a mess, dodgy green colour painted terribly on roof and all plastic moulding

the engine has travelled under 80k kms
odometer reads 160k km.

the price... cheap as dirt $12,000

this is his situation:
He has little driving experience and is worried that if he damages the car he wont b able to pay the repair bills.
comprehensive insurance is out of the question as its unreasonable priced.
having no a/c really bugs him. and doesnt want to pay too much to get one installed.
If he doesnt get this car, he will most likely get an Si civic or an Si prelude to the value of 10k anyway.

i reckon this is a heaps good deal.
taking into account he can source interior parts for very cheap.

and would any1 know how much an a/c unit costs to install?

[pornstar]

friewnd did his for 500 bucks

[soul4real]

When I bought my teg I was contemplating whether to get a type r or vtir, I was positive I wanted a/c and a sunroof so I went vtir. I don't even use a/c, since these jap cars have little torque, slows them down quite significantly so I hardly use a/c. Sunroof on the otherhand I use even at night :)

[Chi]

Is he gonan use the car as a daily driver?

If so just get the Civic Si, i think teh civic b18 will cost more to maintain than the other cars.

Also is this your friends first car? I wouldnt suggest to get a car thats got a swap till he learns more about it.

[Toby]

I would rather buy a nice Civic Si over that GL. My 2 cents :)

[pornstar]

its not a bad deal but make sure ur mate knows that theres going to be minro probs with it, that will start to shit him up the wall in the long run

[madgrk]

Get a slow car for your first car. You will thank yourself (and your wallet) later.

Fast cars are expensive to run usually and if u typically have a fast car its usually gotta look good too. so if you're at the shops and its get hit its far more expensive than mummy's Datsun :)

[pkn-xtc]

500? really? thats heaps good. where abouts did your friend get it done?

Yeah, he will be using the car to get to and from work.

Its also his first car.

I would have thought that a dohc vtec engine would have been better in the long run as it could handle much more of a beating than the d16 from a si. And as we have friends with all fast hondaz, the car will get an occasional beating.
I sorta just see this car as a really fast integra in a nice looking civic shell :)

Maintenence wise mechanically, what would b the difference between this car and a vtir integra?

My friend is also a wannabe ricer + racer. haha
so if he was to get an si civic, he'd be thrashing the shit outta it! and he'd prolly get wheels and springs which will bring the total spending price to close to that of this civic.

[Teggy-Vtir]

if im not wrong, i fnk thats civics sold alreadi
i fink ive got the right one =)

[pkn-xtc]

oh really?
well thats wat he gets for being an indecisive procrastinatin kunt..
watta shame.
do u know the new owner?
call him out for a few runs hehehe

[traNce_gl]

is it auto or manual...?

[A'PEXi]

you could always install the ac later, and re-paint the interior... rear drums arnt that much of a problem either... plenty of stock cars running around with them lol... look at the pro's list compared to the cons list.... neg a bit and youll prob get the price down a lil more as well :D not a bad deal overall though.

[joneblaze]

I think this topic's already been covered... Your friend posted up a question thread didn't he?
Either way i really wouldn't bother. As Ben - i think it was - posted in the other thread regarding this, unless you're certain of the condition and history of the hybrid car it's really not worth your while buying it. Too many problems and possible black hole to pour your money into fixing.....

[pkn-xtc]

manual.
actually no, this is the question thread about the car.
The other one was sorta a question within another thread.
doesnt matter its sold according to Teggy-Vtir anyway.
And what do you mean...

"unless you're certain of the condition and history of the hybrid car it's really not worth your while buying it."

i dont find that statement to be justified.
With all second-hand cars u buy, of corse ur not gonna know its condition and history in detail. so what should deter a person from buying a hybrid civic with a b18 compared to a vtir integra with a b18?
the b series engine was practically made to fit in that car anyway.[/quote]

[bennjamin]

And what do you mean...

"unless you're certain of the condition and history of the hybrid car it's really not worth your while buying it."

i dont find that statement to be justified.
[/quote]

Basically...any car with an engine and other parts not designed for it is going to run into problems prematurley regardless of "care taken" etc. As simply as "b18c 's bolt into Egs " etc... you are taking twice or more the risk of just buying a clean stocker car.
How ? For one , one chassis of one under-stated car plus over-powered engine that (no doubt) came from a life of hard work , another is the "new" braking package to go with , the next is teh fuel system and ofcourse computer etc. While each can come from an entire halfcut - each being usually from a different car ( and entirely diff. model sometimes!) is of diff. age, diff. spec and diff. condition. NOT to add , the high risk of accident damage , IE from a written off car etc...

With a 2nd hand STOCK car though, everything is working in union and has for the entire life of the vehicle.It is easy to check one part, and work out if it is in need of replacment etc.
There is no way of telling with a Hybrid car.

[joneblaze]

*POINTS @ BEN* What he said.
When you buy, for example, a DC2 VTiR with a B18C stock from the factory HONDA has fitted that engine for you. WHen you buy a hybrid/engine swap.... umm.. WHO'S done your work and labour? And where has everything come from? lol... just increases level of dodginess. And as Ben previously mentioned alot of the time any viable (or sometimes NON viable) shortcuts are taken.....
Just my opinion. no hard feelings. It'd suck for anyone to buy a nice car then have it break down/need hardcore maintenance due to shite prior workmanship. Good luck in assisting ur mate in his car search. :)

[pkn-xtc]

The eg civic and dc2 model integra's are built on the same platform. The underbody construction for both cars are identical, only the integra has a sturdier upper structure due to its aerodynamic design.
With the integra, engine and transmission side mounts are positioned on the front longitudinal frame members. The civic also share these similar engine mounts.
Thus,

one chassis of one under-stated car plus over-powered engine
still remains unjust as both cars practically share the same chassis.


engine that (no doubt) came from a life of hard work
general statement, again unjustified. for all we know, the engine could have came from a 99 model vtir integra that had roof damage when it fell off the back of a truck with 0kms on the odometer.


another is the "new" braking package to go with , the next is teh fuel system and ofcourse computer etc.

now this i really need u to explain. Because this is all that i could put together from what u've said... it is that by modifying any car to improve its braking system, or fuel system or computer is taking an extreme risk as they do not work in "union" with your other stock engine components.


While each can come from an entire halfcut - each being usually from a different car ( and entirely diff. model sometimes!) is of diff. age, diff. spec and diff. condition. NOT to add , the high risk of accident damage , IE from a written off car etc...
uuuummmz... well a half-cut does usually come from a damaged car, usually to the rear of the car if its a front half-cut. why else would someone chop up a perfectly good car in half?? and how does the parts that come "from an entire halfcut" end up "usually from a different car ( and entirely diff. model sometimes!)"????? :roll:


With a 2nd hand STOCK car though, everything is working in union and has for the entire life of the vehicle.It is easy to check one part, and work out if it is in need of replacment etc.
There is no way of telling with a Hybrid car.
im assuming u mean that with a completely stock car, u know when to replace parts according to the kms on the odometer. Such as the oil, filters, clutch, timing belt, brake pads, etc.
well i dont see how its impossible to tell with a hybrid car. clutch slips, change it. brakes alarm, change it. filters dirty, change it. Roughly estimate kms run with the new engine and change the timing belt accordingly.


WHen you buy a hybrid/engine swap.... umm.. WHO'S done your work and labour?
Agreed. If the engine conversion had been done properly (which should be the main deciding factor in the purchase of a hybrid vehicle) any problems which may arise with the engine or transmission etc. would be to the same occurance as those problems associated with a vtir integra with a similar engine.

dont get me wrong k guys. i see where ur coming from, i did ask for ur input.
jus doesnt make sense to me..

[fusion_VTi]

do a rear disc conversion, (few hundred), upgrade the interior cheaply (up to 2k) get part of the car resprayed if necessary (up to 3k), sounds like a pretty mad deal especially if it's b18c, if it wasnt for that motor no chance

[syked7]

guess wat guys?
i bought the car
yeh i did the rear disc conversion, cost me $540
i fixed the entire interior cost me $2400. The whole interior including dash,seats etc is a complete soft Tan leather
and i installed the aircon, cost me $470

Ive just put out an extra $3500 for the entire sound system. Getting it installed next week
right now the car flies
i chopped a 200sx series II the other day
i think my car is fastest n/a on the road at the moment
any1 wanna go for a run for their money.
races start at $500 a piece
ill take all u ****s on
im not scared
i got the car tuned and serviced as well
BRING YOUR TURBOS ON BIATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[McChook]

Make it $2000, and Oran Park, sunday the 28th.

My weapon of choice will be NA

Didn't think you'd take it up, pussy

[syked7]

oh yeh!!
other specs i forgot to mention
i got the toda a spec cams installed aswell.
forged internals and had to resleeve the piston chambers coz the blocks aluminium

i got
new extractors, i threw out the old ones and got mugen 4 into 1 headers.
forged pistons, forged rods.
port and polished the head.
bore and stroked the block to a 2.0L

comn any1 wanna challenge??

[syked7]

wtf?
ill take u on anyday
lets make it a bit more interesting yeh?

lets make it $3500
i got it in cash right now

watta say biatch?

[McChook]

Choice is yours

[syked7]

oh btw
i heard u drive that slow 5th gen prelude
hahaha
lets make the bet 5k.
since im so sure my 2.0L will rape that pussy 2.2 of urs."

[McChook]

..... harsh

[joneblaze]

guess wat guys?
i bought the car
yeh i did the rear disc conversion, cost me $540
i fixed the entire interior cost me $2400. The whole interior including dash,seats etc is a complete soft Tan leather
and i installed the aircon, cost me $470

Ive just put out an extra $3500 for the entire sound system. Getting it installed next week
right now the car flies
i chopped a 200sx series II the other day
i think my car is fastest n/a on the road at the moment
any1 wanna go for a run for their money.
races start at $500 a piece
ill take all u ****s on
im not scared
i got the car tuned and serviced as well
BRING YOUR TURBOS ON BIATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Umm... you managed to buy the car, install the 2k interior and I.C.E and change the exhaust and other mods within the time u posted about considering buying it and now? It's been under a week..... I'd search for your other thread but i really CBF'd....

edit: Dr Bren says "It's impossible to bore a 1.8L to 2.0L"

[syked7]

i want to race down the quarter mile not around the track
and i thought ur weapon of choice was gonna be a NA??
whats with the GTR???
hahahaha
scared im gonna beat ur crappy 5th gen, so gotta get a high powered turbo??
bring on the standard csl.
it'll be interesting.
or if ur brave enuff bring on the prelude.

[McChook]

I was thinking the same.
But I still wanna take him on.
I hate internet warriors.

[syked7]

yeh i bought it the next day i posted it
got everything done in less then 3 days cause the guy who install the mods is my big brother

[joneblaze]

I was thinking the same.
But I still wanna take him on.
I hate internet warriors.
lol@Matt.... chill man. He's not a warrior. Can't you see it's just someone stirring you?


Question is who :?:

[McChook]

i don't drag

Drags are for pussies. You wanna play, play hard. take it to the circuit.

Ok, fastest NA aye
Here's a way for tinkerbell to make some easy money

[McChook]

I don't care who it is Jon. I want the money.... I ain;t gotta job remember. When I see easy money, I jump at it

[syked7]

say it was quick and easy to install but it took a while to get the cams tuned properly
had it dyno tuned and u put out 168kw at the front wheels

[McChook]

dipshit alert

yeah, I'd prolly kick your ass in the prelude.

[syked7]

bro u piss me off cause u have a shit car
i would really to rub shit all over your wind screend and doors and shit
esp on the steering wheel and all over ur seats
then open up the bonnet and stick all shit in there so when it hits summer
u turn on the air con and dont know
all shit flies into your face
hahahahahaha

[syked7]

hey ugly and sluggish gsi
ill give you a run too, give you a 1/8mile head start.
i hate gsi's. theyre for ppl who cant afford a vtir

[McChook]

8)

[syked7]

hahahahah
cant hack it now cause your car is shit?
hahaha
get the f**k out of my face u sh*t ****
piss me off **** slike u driving shitty prelludes around
get the F*ck outta here u ricy **** and go buy a proper car
maybe when u get a r34 then u can come talk to me but rite now i dont want 2 waste my time on that piece of shit of urs

[bennjamin]

I don't care who it is Jon. I want the money.... I ain;t gotta job remember. When I see easy money, I jump at it

I can offer you an easier and less embarrassing way of earning money Matt...but you gotta work in my turf. *putts on snoop dogg voice* Gotta earn dem moeny bitch...gotta aim to please god dayum ! You may come home of a night and not sit down...but GOSH you be gettin that lude up to beatin that lil gsi punk ;)........






i really gotta sleep now.

[McChook]

I'll do it Ben!! Though I wo't make much money

[joneblaze]

bro u piss me off cause u have a shit car
i would really to rub shit all over your wind screend and doors and shit
esp on the steering wheel and all over ur seats
then open up the bonnet and stick all shit in there so when it hits summer
u turn on the air con and dont know
all shit flies into your face
hahahahahaha


ROFL... u are a classic.
Who are you? lol.... this has to be read by all....
LMFAO... u random fuk... hehe...

SOrry matt. my hands are tied. Im not a mod. Im just a lowly Marketplace biatch.... sorta like a school janitor. Win's the Principal and Ben is the luscious schoolgirl he's kept in for detention....... *oh no, said too much again...* :|

[McChook]

Oh, dude

I wanna know where Rowie fits "in" - lol

I think we should save this thread though... "this is how to be an idiot"

[syked7]

hahaha u knoe who i am?
I AM A FUKING SICK**** THATS WHO I AM
AND why u want people 2 ban me? cause u cant hack cause i have a faster car then u
well its not my fault u like shoving ur dick in your fuel tank hole cause u cant get pussy
your car is your bitch rite? go fuk it then u shit ****
mite as well chuck a leak in there while your at it
mite make your car just a bit faster
HAHAHAAH
fuking slow ****

[McChook]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Who is this guy?? LOL

[bennjamin]

tee hee hee


Graveyard shift for mods, wanna-be-gods and NOBS alike ;)

[McChook]

I'd take up graveyard shift patrol...

Nice to see a crowd forming to read this though. Classic shit

[luzinit]

hah funni stuff..
i'll chuck shit in ur aircon BAHHAHA.. thats a classic man.

[McChook]

Shit in the aircon is a classic.

Wonder if anyone has actually done that

[pkn-xtc]

LOL !

[McChook]

LOL !

you can;t laugh, you know him. Making you just as pathetic

alteast he's only infesting one subject. easily deleted, although it is still amusing

[luzinit]

haha.. my aunt got her commonwhore's door handle smeared in dog shit once..

she didnt know until she tried to open the door...
ahhahahah

[syked7]

i think u like that hey ****?
i wouldnt understand why a dumb**** like u would buy a bomb prelude like that. u think your car looks nice?
haha i laugh at it
u reckon it will look nice after my shit is rubbed all over it?
i really wanna squat on top of your car, chuck a diaherroa on top so the watery shit drips all over the side
ill break inside rub shit on your pedals so when u hit accellerate and clutch, shit gets stuck on your shoes.
mad prelude then huh

and is your prelude a v-tech rite? lets turn it into V-Shit
hows that sound
the newer model
it sounds a bit faster already yeh?
wouldnt u love moving that steering wheel of yours around when theres pieces of diaherroa and chucks of dry shit stuck onto the side.
ill rub shit rite in the middle where your horn is ok so when u press it. it will remind you of me farting all over your face afterwards ok
fuking shit
get the fuk outta here

[pkn-xtc]

LOL again ! !

im laughin at you.


I don't care who it is Jon. I want the money.... I ain;t gotta job remember. When I see easy money, I jump at it

pathetic.. truly pathetic...

[McChook]

haha.. my aunt got her commonwhore's door handle smeared in dog shit once..

she didnt know until she tried to open the door...
ahhahahah

ahh, yuck... how pissed would you be

[McChook]

i think u like that hey c*nt?
i wouldnt understand why a dumb**** like u would buy a bomb prelude like that. u think your car looks nice?
haha i laugh at it
u reckon it will look nice after my shit is rubbed all over it?
i really wanna squat on top of your car, chuck a diaherroa on top so the watery shit drips all over the side
ill break inside rub shit on your pedals so when u hit accellerate and clutch, shit gets stuck on your shoes.
mad prelude then huh

and is your prelude a v-tech rite? lets turn it into V-Shit
hows that sound
the newer model
it sounds a bit faster already yeh?
wouldnt u love moving that steering wheel of yours around when theres pieces of diaherroa and chucks of dry shit stuck onto the side.
ill rub shit rite in the middle where your horn is ok so when u press it. it will remind you of me farting all over your face afterwards ok
fuking shit
get the fuk outta here

sick ****

[syked7]

ahhaah u dont have a job?
FUKING RAZORRRR BLADE ****!!!

**** YOUR CAR THEN MATE
no job? no life! wats the point. your a waste of space ****. no point in living.
ill buy u a pack of razor blades from wollies

you mite as well just sit at home in the toilet, fill your bathtub with cold water and sit in there naked and start slitting your wrists
.got nothing better 2 do rite
fuking bum
razor blade **** for real

[pkn-xtc]

If your that desperate for money McChook, why dont u sell ur car to buy yourself some lunch.
Maybe a McChookin meal with a shit shake?

[McChook]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

yeah, if only you knew....
Its all true

[pkn-xtc]

With that nugget u drive, it should be just enough for meal at maccaz.

[bennjamin]

ahhaah u dont have a job?
FUKING RAZORRRR BLADE c*nt!!!

f*ck YOUR CAR THEN MATE
no job? no life! wats the point. your a waste of space c*nt. no point in living.
ill buy u a pack of razor blades from wollies

you mite as well just sit at home in the toilet, fill your bathtub with cold water and sit in there naked and start slitting your wrists
.got nothing better 2 do rite
fuking bum
razor blade c*nt for real

NOTE on behalf of MOD :

syked7 , I suggest wether you are serious or not - that you stop this at once. You IP has been scanned, and your address has been noted.
IF your defamatory comments continue , legal action will be taken against yourself under code 223 of the user end agreement and allowable useage laws.

[McChook]

Have the supercharged tricycle brigade found something better to do??

doubt it

unless they are off boring their 1.8s

[pkn-xtc]

hey so how the dole pay McChook?
i bet that 50 bucks a fortnight goes a long way for a guy like you doesnt it?

[McChook]

Sorry, live off rent from my apartments, no need for dole...

[pkn-xtc]

oh yeah, really?
so thats your only form of income?
not qualified enough to get a decent job?
im sure maccaz will be more than happy to hire a shit shaker like yourself.

[McChook]

I quit my last job. So, that was my choice. Not in a hurry to work somewhere I don't want to
Not like I am begging for money. Investments aren't cheap, I worked for them.

[pkn-xtc]

Dont bother trying to explain yourself.
i dont want to know your life story.
i wouldnt give 2 ****s about how u lost ur job.
Dont hold me liable for something my friend does, and try putting shit on me.

[McChook]

you talk tough punk
I'd like to see you act tough

[pkn-xtc]

Yeah?
you think i dont know where to find your fat white aussie ass?
your the one that started this.
u brought it on kunt.

[McChook]

found you first

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~haydn/funny_pics/Marky.jpg

Nice threat though.

[McChook]

Your pussy boyfriend wimped out, so now your the lone ranger

[pkn-xtc]

you talk tough punk
I'd like to see you act tough
I'd like to see you talk tough with a crowbar in your jaw

its on.
This will go further than posting up mock photos on the net.
I promise that to you, ill see it through.

[LatinoHatchCrap]

found you first

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~haydn/funny_pics/Marky.jpg

Nice threat though.

:D :D :D :D :D OMG cant stop laughin'...