from 180 to integra... what to do HELP

[mindcircus]

1st and formost id like to say hi to everyone, i currently own a 180sx sr turbo, which i am getting sick and tired of, petrol prices and also insurance. I am thinking of converting over the the darkside however i just have a few questions i want to ask before going ahead with it.

i have been looking around for about 2 weeks at some vti-r and gsi type r's and so forth (dc2's) and i have been reading alot of american tuner web sites and seeing what they have been doing there with there integras, since they are honda crazy over there. and i have found some of them to be buying there base models and putting type r motors on them.

I myself love doing project cars its my passion (im not a ricer) . So my plan is to buy a gsi and slap a type r motor in jap sepc front end, cams, cam gears, head work, extractors, zort, computer, upgrade the fuel system suspension set up. however from what i see off ns.com forums from people turning there non turbo silvias to s15 sr20 powered sil's is the car lacks braking and little nick nacks here and there i dont wnt to go into too much detail.

what i want to know is what is the difference between a gsi and a type r i know there is going to be alot so please dont hessitate to list them all. I would like to know everything, from interior to exterior to suspension (as mention i will be upgrading), brakes, stud's, are the front and rear lights any different, obviously performance there will be a difference, weight, power options, i dont really care about engine wise since i will be swapping over motors. and also what do you guys think. is it worth it. im a bit of a honda nooby so please bear with me.

I also want to know what kinda (brand) parts should i be looking for mugen etc etc etc

Also has anyone type 'r (i dont know what the engine type is) there gsi before.

in the end i do want my car to end up looking like :
http://importtuner.com/features/0505_imp_integra_06_z.jpg

hope you guys are as helpful as the ns.com guys

catchas later.
Shaun

[0098]

If your worried about insurance you would be better of just buying a type r.
It would also be cheaper and probably more reliable for you overall if you just buy a type r.

Or if you want to play around a bit , you should just buy a vti-r and modify it. That would be your best bet. :thumbsup:

[kOncept]

Differences:
-Bucket Seats
-Carbon 'look' Dash inserts
-Chassis Stiffening
-Removal of sound deadening
-Tailights are slightly different in colour
-Headlights shouldn't matter since you're getting a JDM front
-Type R is 5x114.3, GSi is 4x100
-Brakes are better derrr.

Edit: there are more differences but these are just off my head...

It's alot trickier to tune a Honda compared to a SR20DET powered car... speaking from experience :) it's all about the right combination of parts and a good tuner :D

[nipnip]

why not buy a type r and just do a jdm front end conversion and do your desired engine work to the b18c7 version?

i guess i'll start some things off

- thinner windscreen
- rear lower control arms
- 1087 kg
- hand assembled engine
- front/rear disc brakes
- 15" enkei wheels
- 2.25 exhuast
- carbon look interior
- shocks/springs

i've missed alot, but thats all that comes to mind right now

[mindcircus]

if i had the dosh i would buy a type r straight away, however i dont. thats why i want to go gsi

[BLKCRX]

Can you just save for a little while more ? n then buy the type r ?

Why spend money n get only half of what you really want ? if you already have a car keep saving and then sell your 180 when you have enough money saved.

[type one]

agreed cos the R is about the work to the chassis as well which the GSi just doesn't have... its a package which can't be replicated by mods unfortunately...

[huytek]

i remembering hearing that the bolts in the type R are even lighter than the other bolts used in other integras..

so considering Honda even changed the weight of the bolts..than there is a huge difference..

[LAGOOT]

Can you just save for a little while more ? n then buy the type r ?

Why spend money n get only half of what you really want ? if you already have a car keep saving and then sell your 180 when you have enough money saved.
ditto :thumbsup:

[j3z3z]

i remembering hearing that the bolts in the type R are even lighter than the other bolts used in other integras..

so considering Honda even changed the weight of the bolts..than there is a huge difference..

the bolts are apparently hoolow in the type r to reduce wheight... (One of my friends races litre sprintcars and he does this to as many parts on the car as possible) And gsi is non vtec.... Go VTIR and drop the b18c7r into it

[mindcircus]

ok from what i can tell everyone is going no with the gsi, how about a vtir?

[cheech]

main diference besides the engine , gearbox and suspension is body rigidity which helps alot for handling.

if you can find a gsi for cheap and do the conversion yourself you looking at $9000 in parts including aftermarket adjustable suspesion and big brake kit. which will perform just as good.

[bennyBear]

Yup Yup, unfortunately Honda is just one of those manufacturers that make significant differences between models, especially when your talking GSi to type r.

It's kind of like comparing a non-turbs automatic ca18 to a manual SR20DETT.

^^^HOWEVER^^^ in the above, the only difference is the engine and the trans.

Type r's, as others have listed above have got some pretty extensive weight reduction, chasssis stiffening, ats close ratio gearing, shocks, springs and most importantly a hand built engine.

Like the way your thinking though

[Banana]

ok, gotta think about some things 1st
buying a type-R means u going from turbo to N/A, meaning if ur in it for the power, u might as well stick with the 180, dc2r has decent power, but not the kind of power a turbo would put off. i.e the torque feeling u got in a turbo. if seen pplz going from turbo to N/A, then getting back to turbo, like the saying 'once u go turbo, u cant go back'.
but the pro of having an N/A is always good when it come to petrol and insurance, which is why we love our honda's, petrol and insurance aint that much but still fun cars.
Anyways my point, if ur just in it for the power, stick with the 180, dun waste ur time going from turbo to N/A then going back to turbo.

[jords]

'once u go turbo, u cant go back'

Once you go vtec, u cant go back!
So just save up for a Type R, its worth the wait.

[accordoholic]

ok from what i can tell everyone is going no with the gsi, how about a vtir?

If you really want Type-R, then get a genuine a Type-R. There's no way you can modify any lower models to perform as good as a Type-R. And even if you do find all the parts, you're probably paying double the price you are paying for a Type-R now to perform like a Type-R.

It's not worth the hassles.

For the power thing, don't under-estimate VTEC on the DC2. I've met people that went from V8's and Turbo (rear wheel and 4 wheel drives namely WRX) to DC2 or DC5 and no way they are going back to it. It may not give you that massive boost but a stock DC2 can out perform all cars on the Old Pacific Hwy if you know how to drive one.

What's good to a car if it can go fast on a straight road and not able to tackle winding roads to it's max.

Good luck on your choice of car.

[R_01_0002]

I agree with jords, save up the extra pennies for a DC2R, ive had mine for 5 years now and its still goin like the clackers mate, once you throw one around some winding road you will love it.

[mindcircus]

yeah the reason that really got me going was my ex gfs brother has a type r and i got to take it for a spin a fews backs at national park (sydney) he let me go all out and i loved it, unfortunatly guys believe me if i had the dosh i would get a type r unfortunatly i have dosh problems so saving up isnt an option =[ thats why i wanna go cheaper alternative. but if its not gonna be the same as a type r i knwo ill be disapointed, however its still a honda right?

[OZ#227]

Lets start that parts list:-

Toda Headers.
Mugen or Ingen CAI.

What am I saying!!!....Check-out the Sticky thread of Adrians.
"Bang for Bucks for DC2R"
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128

Later.

[yourfather]

I have a VTi-R. THe reason why I wanted the VTi-R over the Type R, is because, A) couldn't justify the extra money, and B) I wanted to turbocharge it... They look pretty much the same, they do drive a lot differently, but I don't want to track it. I just would like to have a bit more grunt when im not doing the rat race every morning on the way to work.

Plus, all my friends have turbo cars

[mindcircus]

hahah good point however i would like something that would handle well on the twistes would it make a difference if i upgraded my controll arms, tie rods and so forth i mean a vtir with coil overs would do well, just not as good as a type r right

also since you guys are saying that type r's chassis is more stiffer, how does that come about would anyone know how they made it stiffer? is there extra bracing?

[Malenic1981]

Man I did same thing as u, I had eg civic with B18C2 engine (from integra Vti-R), I was trying to make it like type R, started well (engine, exhaust ect) but than it came to expencive side things (suspension, brakes, interior ect), if I didn't stop it on time it would cost me more than DC2R and it wouldn't be as good as DC2R.
I sold the civic and got myself DC2R which is just so much better than my civic in every way.

[faijai]

if youn plan on buying a gsi and doing a b18c transplant i reckon either get a vtir and work it. You sound like your into twisties and track stuff so do the bang for ur bucks dc2 mods and then do the sussy mods. Buying a gsi and then putting b18c will cost you more then just buying a vtir. keep in mind however that the dc2r is the all roudn package, comes with eveyrhting already minus the sunroof.

[integrator]

Totally agree with what others say, don't bother with getting a gsi then putting in b18c. You can pick up a vtir for the same price with b18c in it already. However I would highly recommend getting a type r 1st time round, I really regret not getting when I was looking for a dc2, the vtir just doesnt feel as cut as the r when you drive.

That's my 5c.

[sever_all_ties]

Not only is the type-r a better car all round, but you will get better resale than a modified gsi or vti-r too. As for the stiffer chassis, the type-r's chassis was spot welded and had strut and stiffer sway bars. Correct me if im wrong.

[ginganggooly]

you're looking at around 10k in price difference between a type-r and vti-r. thats a lot of saving, i don't think i could cope with it- i couldn't at the time anyway, which is why i'm driving a vti-r now.

it terms of mods, i've spent around 5k all up and my car is quicker and handles better than a stock type-r... which isn't too bad really.
two sore points that are expensive to address are the brakes and transmission.

[RyDC5S]

Save for the Type R, reinforced body and suspension package - better as a tuning base than the GSi.

[Stabo]

I don't think you guys are listening to him ;) He is saying he cant afford to buy a Type-R right now and saving isnt really an option. He still has to drive something, and the longer he keeps his 180SX the more money he is going to lose to depreciation, petrol and insurance.

My advice is if you can't afford a Type-R, buy a VTi-R. Comming from a Turbo 180SX you will be dissapointed with Gsi. Atleast a Vti-R will get you into the VTEC club and you'll have fun taking her to 8000RPM for the time being. Down the track if you come into some more money you can always drop in the type-R motor, or do some mods.. even turbo it...

The Vti-R is a good allround package, it comes with lots features such as sunroof, ABS brakes etc. It's alot of car for the money. Especially since they can be picked up for $12-14K these days.

I'm offering some adviced based on your current position, i hope it helps :)
Cheers!
~Stabo

[locote]

i was in the same position when i sold my s15.
i ended up getting a gsi because there was only 1 vtir on the market at the time and i needed a car to get around.
that vtir put me of because of asking price, the car had not been looked after in appearance, and 100% sure he hadnt looked after it mechanicaly.
You should get insurance quotes before you deside to buy!! that may help your desision.
im paying 400 a year full comp for my gsi, i got quotes for most rescent vtec models and all were more expencive than my s15.
if your goin from a moded sr20det powered nissan to a integra doesnt matter what model it is you wont feel the difference when you drive it!! trust me, i test drove heaps of vtec hondas from civics, crxs, preludes, integras and they all felt slow to me.
i drove a vtir teg and the gsi i baught on the same day, and the only difference i felt was that i could rev the vtir longer but felt no power at all till 6000rpm.
i was used to getting thrown into the seat til i backed of the accelerator but at that time.
im quite happy with my gsi. I STILL WANT MORE POWER BUT!!!
if i can get a good deal on a b18c2 id jump at it hey. but they are pretty rare at the moment.
so i recomend drive them both see what you think.
just remember you can all ways do a engine swap, but if buy a car with a average body just to save a few bucks and get the higher spec panel beaters and spray painters arent cheap.