2.1lt B16a stroker, all crower parts, potential???

[locote]

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hey would a b16a 2.1lt stroker be more powerful in Hp and Torque than a b18cR????
im thinking of getting a b16a for 2800 fitted and rebuilding it with a crower stroker kit and some crower cams.
would it be a ALLMOTOR beast?????

Engine. Bore. Stroke. Total Displacement
B16A. 87. 89. 2.12L



also 11.0:1 comp ratio

[bennjamin]

is replacing the bottom end of a b16a with new rods + sleeving etc possible to 500cc more displacement ?!? Regardless , the price for doing JUST that would be quite hefty ! IMO do the semi-known b20block + b16a head if u are after the capacity -

[sivic]

not sure if you can get 2.1l stroker kit for B16A. only 1.8l
man, dont think you could increase bore from 81mm to 87mm.
i think for this displacement you'd have to stroke out a B18C/B16B

[j3z3z]

as far as i know the biggest they have stroked a b16 is to 1.93lts and that was running it to the limits

[bradb16a]

as far as i know the biggest they have stroked a b16 is to 1.93lts and that was running it to the limits :thumbsup: :honda:

you can get that by useing a b18b bottom end witch would cost about $200 put some high comp pictons in and you will have a screammer the one thing is you will have to tape a oil line for the vtev in the bottom of the b18b
if you want more info i will post some stuff up in the next week ....

[fusion_VTi]

500cc on top of 1.6L??? thats nuts mate. my cousin only got 500cc more stroking his 5.7L out to 6.2....

[Samo]

might as well get a h22a and throw half of the money u gonna put in pistons/rods +rebuilding on the h22 if u want a 2.1l
it'll be much cheaper and its still a beast :thumbsup:

[sivic]

500cc on top of 1.6L??? thats nuts mate. my cousin only got 500cc more stroking his 5.7L out to 6.2....
yeah but thats a Chev engine:thumbdwn:

doesnt really count as stroking out a B16A when you're using a B18 bottom end. although IMO thats the more logical way to gain displacement:thumbsup:

[todaek9]

2034cc still possible, but never heard bout a B16 doing 2100cc...why don't you try and then tell us what happ? Max bore i had seen with a B16 is 84.5mm...if ya talking bout B20 or K20, may be 87 or may be 88mm??..

hmm...Chev is 6.2lit..hmm..i wonder how quick it pulls at 400m...anybody curious?..hehe..

[sivic]

nah the stock engine he is talking about is a 5.7l. either the GenIII or LS1. it was then stroked to 6.2. the best of the HSV's which came with a 5.7 were doing just below 14s stock.
the new LS2 in the HSV's which is 6l is a little faster

but anyway, yeah i dont think boring out a b16 to 87mm is realistically possible.
perhaps it has been done but....

[fusion_VTi]

2034cc still possible, but never heard bout a B16 doing 2100cc...why don't you try and then tell us what happ? Max bore i had seen with a B16 is 84.5mm...if ya talking bout B20 or K20, may be 87 or may be 88mm??..

hmm...Chev is 6.2lit..hmm..i wonder how quick it pulls at 400m...anybody curious?..hehe..

yea mate its a weapon ay. pushin over 550hp at the motor does a 11.9 in stock trim on street rubber. full on g forces ay its sick

[bennjamin]

500cc on top of 1.6L??? thats nuts mate. my cousin only got 500cc more stroking his 5.7L out to 6.2....

afaik on the V8 thats only 62.5 CC more capacity per cylinder increase - if you want 500cc more on a 1.6 4cyl thats 125cc's per cylinder to find...I think its plain to know which one is easier and more reliable :)

[iamhappy46]

Bore / stroke the B20 and fit the B16A Head and be done with it. Tried, tested and good results when do correctly.
I doubt that the cylinder sleeves required for the 87mm bore would have enough space between each other.

[DLO01]

Heres a link to the crower site showing to 2.12L stroker kit for the B16A:

http://www.crower.com/cat/import/honda/stroker/stroker.shtml

[bennjamin]

Heres a link to the crower site showing to 2.12L stroker kit for the B16A:

http://www.crower.com/cat/import/honda/stroker/stroker.shtml

good find - Still...at what price ?!?!? Im sure the usual b20 + b16a head is abetter alternative for the cost vs mods / power ?

[ginganggooly]

i've just had a b20 block sleeved, and i'm under the impression that sleeving any b-series is the same price. assuming i'm correct, then the cost of getting the above work completed should be pretty much the same regardless of block.

[LowEk]

how much did u pay for your block to be sleaved??

[sivic]

for the crower kit it says that some block clearancing is required which i translate to needing to enlarge the crankcase.
that cant be too cheap.

[fusion_VTi]

afaik on the V8 thats only 62.5 CC more capacity per cylinder increase - if you want 500cc more on a 1.6 4cyl thats 125cc's per cylinder to find...I think its plain to know which one is easier and more reliable :)

the V8 :o

[locote]

$2125 and 5 weeks to make. Any bore and compression.

50% deposit required.

from MR Brian Crower himself.
thats for any of his stroker kits in $US but

[locote]

B18 Series (A, B, C) 81mm 95mm 1.96L

i wouldnt mind instaling this kit in my b18b when it gets rebuilt.
with 11.0:1 comp

[tinkerbell]

do you realise the 95mm crank will root your 'revability'?

it is the same stroke as the old gen 3 prelude B20A engines, which were limited to around 6500rpm

the piston 'sideloading' with that stroke is massive...

[ProECU]

the piston 'sideloading' with that stroke is massive...

Can you quantify 'massive' ?

Perhaps the owners target operating rpm is within an rpm which can be sustained.
After all, RPM = Ruins Peoples Motors.

[tinkerbell]

Can you quantify 'massive' ?


no, i can not.

it is an estimate.

[ProECU]

fair enough, however, estimates can still be quantified.

Im sure that locote and others (myself included) would also benefit from understanding if the 'massive' force you describe would be on the critical side of engine failure, or whether its a sustainable force.

[bennjamin]

fair enough, however, estimates can still be quantified.

Im sure that locote and others (myself included) would also benefit from understanding if the 'massive' force you describe would be on the critical side of engine failure, or whether its a sustainable force.

does the purpose of reinforcing sleeves aid in this section ?

[tinkerbell]

well doesnt it come down to the 'rod angle'?

which for a fixed bore, comes down to rod lenght,

in the case of the 95mm crank, this would create quite a short rod(relative to other b series). a short rod increases the angle at which it pushes against the bore liner.

which is bad for revability...

short rods also increase maximum piston speed, which is also bad for revability... (cet par)

[ProECU]

Ben - you are correct.


well doesnt it come down to the 'rod angle'?
which for a fixed bore, comes down to rod lenght

Partially, there is no resultant force without mass.(F=ma)
That along with the 1st order derivative of velocity are the only formulas required to quantify 'massive'

[ekslut]

Guys, dont let this turn into the ECU thread. Keep the bitching to PM

[tinkerbell]

Partially, there is no resultant force without mass.(F=ma)
That along with the 1st order derivative of velocity are the only formulas required to quantify 'massive'

please explain?

i dont understand :confused:

how can a reciprocating assembly not have any mass?

[ProECU]

well doesnt it come down to the 'rod angle'?

which for a fixed bore, comes down to rod lenght

I was correcting your above comment as you cant have a 'massive' force without mass. F=ma
You're implying the force is due to rod length alone, which if you actually read my post rather than make a career out of trying to be a smart ass, you would've understood what I meant by "partially"

[tinkerbell]

the the context of my use of the word 'massive' had nothing to do with 'mass'...

sorry if you read into it too much, massive in the context referred to "much larger than normal"...

[bennjamin]

lets keep it mature guys k :)

Back onto the topic of sleeves ~ what are the best options for reiforcing IF the


the piston 'sideloading' with that stroke is massive...

... custom sleeves or drilled or ???

[ProECU]

the the context of my use of the word 'massive' had nothing to do with 'mass'...

sorry if you read into it too much, massive in the context referred to "much larger than normal"...

I never said or implied it was, you've obviously confused yourself... again

Ben there are a variety of sleeve manufacturers.. GE, Darton, & Machinists as Earl, Endyn etc.
I personally would favour sleeving over posting although both have their benefits.
Posting is more of a hot rod technique, the import scene is aparently more sophisticated, although, that's arguable as well...

[Limbo]

so if the 2.1lt is too hard to do how about the 1.7lt one? just a slight increase, but would it take the same amount of work then?

[vtecbrad]

Hey locote,
i myself am also looking at increasing the displacement, ok making my B16A into a 1.8 or 2.0 litre in simpler terms
off Memory I am sure that the largest bore you can have without needing to sleeve the block is 84mm, now sleeving the block is a little costly, i was quoted around $2000 for the sleeving now that doesnt include the labour of getting the block out of the car, and thats only for an extra few mms, i think 87mm is touch & go but should be fine for NA as thats what i was told,
If your going forced induction or Nitrous then you need to keep it at 84mm as you need the extra thickness to keep they pistons from going a little crazy and ruining all that hard work.
The crower kits are very concise in there fitment and if done properly offer awesome gains, thats why there the ones i will go with, as i already have cams, springs, retainers, waiting to be fitted.
The quality & workmanship off these is awesome so i can only imagine how good the stroker kits will be.
Hows this,
This is how i want my motor:
B16A Stroked to 2.0L, Crower Stage 3 Cams, Springs, Retainers, Ferrea Valves, Extrude Honed Head, DC2 Type R Gearbox, Clutch Masters Stage 4 Clutch Kit,(6 Puck) Lightened Flywheel, Quad Throttle Bodies, Wilwood Front Brake Kit, Wilwood Rear Brake Kit, Tein Fully Adjustable Suspension,
EM's Racing Rear Strut Bar, EM's Racing Rear C-Pillar Bar, EM's Racing Rear Triangle Bar, A -illar Bars, Front & Rear Lower Tie Bars,
I would love to hit between 130kw - 150kw and be running in the 13sec bracket revving to 9000rpm+++ i would love 10000rpm :D
So who likes the look of this?
So then not only would it look good but it would HAUL ASS!!!
VTEC Rips keep it that way, NA ALL THE WAY

[tinkerbell]

you would save a lot of weight without all the bars you have listed...