accelerator peddel set so far back???

[Cartoon]

why in a DC2 VTiR is the acc. peddel set back further than the brake??? how the hell do u heal toe like that?

is there any way of making them all even??

thanks

[mr crex]

I had the same problem with my ITR ... mechanic was able to adjust the height of the brake pedal to sit further down closer to the accel pedal... its alot easier now and helps out alot more at track days.

[|N|]

coz when u heel and toe.. u have to brake anyway... that would bring them to the same level

[Cartoon]

coz when u heel and toe.. u have to brake anyway... that would bring them to the same level

not quite la.
where the brake is if u heal toe chances are u hit on the brakes way to hard, not good on d track la.

so u can adjust the height of the brake n bring it down eh, thanks for that

[air23box]

the fact is when you do heal and toe is when you track.....and you will brake in heavy in the right brake point and do the gas in the same time...so they will come to same level...of coz you can lower ur brake padel but it just make it easy to do heal and toe on normal road which is not nessary anyway........heal and toe is just the tecnique on track...when you brake hard in the latest brake point.....no point to do it on normal road.....I just laugh to those ppl do that on normal road anyway....thats why ppl design it that way.......but its really up to you ........

[string]

It's called practice.

Do it more, and your feet will figure out a way to do it.

[Cartoon]

It's called practice.

Do it more, and your feet will figure out a way to do it.

lol need a new steering wheel first, ma knees hit the dam thing when i try to heal toe. n the wheel is adjusted all the way up to, some time is sucks being tall

[AUDMDC5R]

the fact is when you do heal and toe is when you track.....and you will brake in heavy in the right brake point and do the gas in the same time...so they will come to same level...of coz you can lower ur brake padel but it just make it easy to do heal and toe on normal road which is not nessary anyway........heal and toe is just the tecnique on track...when you brake hard in the latest brake point.....no point to do it on normal road.....I just laugh to those ppl do that on normal road anyway....thats why ppl design it that way.......but its really up to you ........


hrmm... why would you laugh? the point of heel and toe is to down shift to a lower gear so you are in the power band before you enter a corner and while travelling thru a corner, you are in the midst of your power band and can maximise the full potential of your car, all while exiting the corner

On normal roads... if you're late for work/uni, and need to take a corner fast, you do not - Clutch in -Shift to lower gear - Slowly release your clutch... that will put too much stress on the clutch, so therefore you should/must heel and toe to stay in the power band and power thru the corner. If you are in that much of a hurry and in the wrong gear (ie. Not down shifting), its just gonna pee u off more cuz the car ain't accelerating at the speed that you want.

1. To stay in the Power Band
2. Rev match to put SOOOOOOOO much less stress on the gearbox while down shifting

oh, and its good practice for the track. I'm pretty sure that NO ONE here on this forum tracks everyday, so practicing (for beginners... i guess...?) where ever you can, and god forbid its in a safe environment and dont' get caught by cops for making so much dam noise... so its sets you up for track

[air23box]

non of the instructor I meet before suggest anyone to <<practice>> on normal road...if you are late......leave home earlier.....but of course in that case....but what I mean is when you drive down sth like china town.....try to be outstanding.....that type of ppl......I understand ur point......but the best place to <<practice>> still in track...thats the right behaviour of some one who wanna to learn it properly......except some <<Road Racer>>......not trying to pin point anyone....but just what I think....

[AUDMDC5R]

non of the instructor I meet before suggest anyone to <<practice>> on normal road...if you are late......leave home earlier.....but of course in that case....but what I mean is when you drive down sth like china town.....try to be outstanding.....that type of ppl......I understand ur point......but the best place to <<practice>> still in track...thats the right behaviour of some one who wanna to learn it properly......except some <<Road Racer>>......not trying to pin point anyone....but just what I think....

yeah, the instructors are right about not suggesting you do it on the road, cuz when you are racing on track, your utilising the full potential of the your car, and you will not so much really use the "full" potential of you car on the road, so i can understand where the instructors are coming from... cuz "if" you try and simulate track driving on normal roads.... err.... 3 gear in the power band, you'll be doing inexcess of 100km... dangerous, especially if ya entering a corner at that speeds, and its ya first time... lol

motorsports is dangerous, and doing stuff on the road at high speeds is gonna kill yeah, where as on track its.. controlled to a certain extent, but still accidents always happen. If ya search the net about "how" to heel and toe, they almost always say "Do it at low speeds", this is cuz so you do this in a much slower motion than what you would "have" to do at much higher speeds, and plus if u don't get it right the first time and are going fast... ur gonna crash... and die... and burn....

"if you are late......leave home earlier" <-- if your late... then ur late, u can't help it, yeah, manage ya time better, i no... but ya can't help it, if ya "already" late

"sth like china town" <-- hrmm... i should no where that is... i used to live in melb.. haha :o not really sure by what "that type of ppl" means

[kOncept]

*cough*

trying to practice heel and toe on the track ain't really smart considering the speeds you'll be doing...

Perfect your technique in a controlled environment before you ever try it on track...

edit: back on topic, i have the same problem in my dc2...

[string]

I hope you are not serious about putting strain on the clutch and gearbox... If you are so worried about wearing parts of your car down, go ride a bike you pussy.

I heal-toe every day, pretty much every gear change out of habit.. It makes everything so much smoother, and makes driving more fun. When first doing it in my car, it was hard due to throttle pedal placement, but you get used to it and your feet just figure it out.

[AUDMDC5R]

I hope you are not serious about putting strain on the clutch and gearbox... If you are so worried about wearing parts of your car down, go ride a bike you pussy.

I heal-toe every day, pretty much every gear change out of habit.. It makes everything so much smoother, and makes driving more fun. When first doing it in my car, it was hard due to throttle pedal placement, but you get used to it and your feet just figure it out.

huh? bike riders are pussy's? and what makes them such a pussy... and don't say "cuz they just are!" hrmm.. interesting! pretty dam sure a bike can outrun you any day of the week!

and you don't think by NOT using heel and toe, it doesn't put ANY stress on the gearbox or clutch while downshifting...? i call bs!

back to topic
i did exactly what Mr CREX did when i had my DC2, just got my mechanic to move the pedal up alittle, all fixed.

[aznsiko]

if you get aftermarket pedals.. a trick is tojust put some spacers of some sort behind the actual pedal.. or you could just shove some washers on with the bolts that hold the pedals on... many ways just gotta be imaginative lol...

[string]

huh? bike riders are pussy's? and what makes them such a pussy... and don't say "cuz they just are!" hrmm.. interesting! pretty dam sure a bike can outrun you any day of the week!

and you don't think by NOT using heel and toe, it doesn't put ANY stress on the gearbox or clutch while downshifting...? i call bs!

back to topic
i did exactly what Mr CREX did when i had my DC2, just got my mechanic to move the pedal up alittle, all fixed.
I was implying a push-bike, where the aformentioned "pussy" would not have to worry very much about "wearing" parts down...

Obviously there will be wear by doing ANYTHING in a car. Once you get over the fact that there is nothing you can do about it, you have to accept it.

If you are so worried about gearbox and clutch wear then drive an auto; Simple as that.

[Cartoon]

thx for the constructive replys,
in my old car i would heal toe a lot on the street, i dont think there is anything wrong with it. espically at round-a-bouts i found it very help full. its jst like rev matching when gearing down it saves clutch, box, and brakes but i guess u laugh at that to?
sorry dude i think it is perfectly fine to heal toe, rev match or use any other method on the street.

[AUDMDC5R]

ok watever, i give up... no point in this arguement, u drive the way u do and i'll drive the way i do!

[Tofu]

um....i don't own a dc2, but i've driven many dc2r
i don't see the problem with the pedals at all...
people in best motoring has never said anything about any car's "pedal height"
but then again, they know how to drive

[integral90]

i heel and toe normally now, i only ever do the conventional shift when i am in heavy traffic. If i was you i would get some aftermarket pedals and put a spacer on the accelerator, simple enough.

[T-onedc2]

why in a DC2 VTiR is the acc. peddel set back further than the brake??? how the hell do u heal toe like that?

is there any way of making them all even??

thanks
I thought the same when I got my vtir as this was very differenty to my last car, however I practised again and find it is actually better for my driving style, and perhaps I have very flexible ankles too.

[Andys]

IMO practicing heel-toe on the street is a great idea. Unless you are rich and can afford gobs of track time, this is the best way to learn and be smooth at it.

Sure, the amount of throttle blip you give it and the amount of braking you do is much lower than at the track, but so what? Doesn't mean you can't practice at all. Then you can be smoother at the track than someone who hasn't ever practiced before, and after all, smoothness is a key to success.

Having the brake pedal higher up than the accelerator is normal and I suggest you don't change it (for safety reasons -- if anyone else drives your car, its one of the things that lets you "feel" the position of the pedals without looking, and they could need to brake in a hurry)

- Andrew

[00dc2]

if your tall and you cant heal n toe in a teg then its because of the steering wheel being in the way of your legs. my mate has a lowered drivers seat (5cm) and when i drove that it was much easier to heal and toe.

if your sitting lower you can turn your right leg in the left direction and put the ball of your foot on the brake and the heel of your foot can reach the accalarator..

I have ordered my vision seat rail and am _impatiently_ waiting for it.. (zzzz)

Hey Cartoon.. larger pics of your avatar or ban

[string]

I agree with the above. If you can't do it because of knee issues, then by all means move the pedal. But otherwise, it is probably best just to get used to it.

My advise still stands, just get used to it... It feels weird for everyone when they start doing it, but it becomes easier the more you do it.

Also, I find that I can do it in pretty much any car, no matter the pedal location, so (for me anyway) it was not to do with pedal location at all , rather, technique.

[integral90]

Hey Cartoon.. larger pics of your avatar or ban


haha, i think thats the most sensible request so far. But yeah, technique will evolve around a problem, moving the pedal may not be nessecary.

[Jon_51]

if you're having trouble with your knees hitting the steering wheel, do you put ur toes on the brake and heel on accelerator? Maybe if u put ur toes on the accelerator and heel on the brake you'll have more space. or vice versa. You may find it alters the angle of your leg / knee. Just an idea.
I've got less then an inch of head clearance from the roof and I can still heel toe with the wheel column on it's lowest setting.

[Cartoon]

lol the pic eh. ill c what i can dig up its some half mexican half filo chick :)

i use my toe on the brake when i use my heal on the brake i seem to brake to hard.
ill play around n c what i can do lol.

thank for the imput guys appricate it.