[F1] Malaysian Gran Prix! (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[VTEC16]

...live timing for the second practive session is on now.....its 37 degrees over there!

www.f1.com

go to the above link if you wanna see the live timing...

[McChook]

Champion, thanks for that.

I am a bit deluded with motorsport right now. stuff you MG car club newcastle GRRRRRRR

[VTEC16]

no probs :thumbsup:

......no idea what your talking 'bout :roll:

[McChook]

MG Car Club of Newcastle have a supersprint on the 28th.. We entered, but now we are too late. It is a round of the state speed championship too, which me and dad have entered, but now we can;t compete..... I am hella pissed off.

[McChook]

w00t, webber 3rd fastest so far in this session...

[VTEC16]

yeh....good to see the ferraris 4th and 10th......but you cant tell much from practice...

[VTEC16]

FIRST PRACTICE

Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:34.437

2 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:35.380

3 35 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:35.970

4 38 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 1:36.147

5 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:36.229

6 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:36.314

7 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 1:36.478

8 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:36.606

9 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:37.018

10 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:37.119

11 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:37.438

12 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 1:37.590

13 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 1:37.816

14 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas 1:37.995

15 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:38.023

17 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 1:38.554

18 16 Cristiano da Matta Toyota 1:38.734

19 39 Bjorn Wirdheim Jaguar-Cosworth 1:38.788

20 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford 1:38.831

21 19 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford 1:39.860

22 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth 1:41.149

23 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth 1:42.556

24 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:42.718

25 40 Bas Leinders Minardi-Cosworth 1:43.424


SECOND PRACTICE

Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.395

2 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:34.693

3 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 1:35.054

4 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:35.094

5 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:35.100

6 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 1:35.115

7 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:35.288

8 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:35.300

9 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.301

10 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:35.373

11 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:35.407

12 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 1:35.524

13 38 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 1:35.850

14 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 1:35.996

15 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:36.292

16 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas 1:36.353

17 35 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda 1:36.708

19 16 Cristiano da Matta Toyota 1:36.907

20 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford 1:37.725

21 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth 1:37.818

22 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.588

23 39 Bjorn Wirdheim Jaguar-Cosworth 1:38.796

24 19 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford 1:39.324

25 40 Bas Leinders Minardi-Cosworth 1:41.485

Credit goes to www.F1.com for the above data.

[A'PEXi]

michael is the only person i know from that list :P

[VTEC16]

....not good....

[McChook]

pathetic really

[VTEC16]

live timing of the qualifying is now on!

www.f1.com

[VTEC16]

...im sorry....but takuma sato is slow as shit. He hasnt been near button in any shape or form from japan last year to now....he is a LONG way off.... he is definetly gonna hurt BAR this season.

EDIT: he is .443 seconds off JBs time in the first part of qualifying.... :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[VTEC16]

sato spins off into the gravel on corner 11.........he sucks. Now he'll start from last place on the grid....already points are looking like a longshot for his half of the bar team.....ahhghggg.....soo frustrating! :evil:

[McChook]

webber in for a fast time here....
fastest in sector 2

[McChook]

WEBBER FASTEST

Bloody shumi goes faster... damn damn damn. 0.7 seconds faster than Mark, thats terrible

[McChook]

WEBBER TO START FROM P2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[McChook]

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:33.074

2 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 1:33.715

3 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:33.756

4 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:34.054

5 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.164

6 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:34.221

7 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:34.235

8 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 1:34.413

9 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.602

10 16 Cristiano da Matta Toyota 1:34.917

11 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:35.039

12 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas 1:35.061

13 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 1:35.158

14 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 1:35.617

15 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford 1:36.569

16 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.577

17 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth 1:39.272

18 19 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford 1:39.902

19 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda

20 8 Fernando Alonso Renault

[VTEC16]

Well done to webber......shumi was amazing!

EDIT: should be a very interesting race tomorrow...

i reckon both shumi and webber are light....but only time will telll....

[McChook]

Webber will be the lightest for sure
Jenson 6th inn't too bad

[LUD02C]

Between Michael, Mark and Rubens there isn't that much of a difference in time!
Then look who is after Rubens which is Montoya and look how far behind his time is...+ 0'00"980
Which is alot compared to + 0'00"682 (Rubens time)

They must be running light, because Webber has Michelins so it must be evenly matched..
Well should be an interesting race!!!

GO SCHMY....

[McChook]

Should be a good race... But I will be watching the live race data from my TV, because Clipsal 500 is onat the same time... screw you channel 10 GRRRRR

GO MARK

[VTEC16]

The actual race starts in 20 mins.....you can watch the live timing....but channel 10 is only broadcasting the race at 10:40 (after fast and da furious) tonight. :(

....ill probably watch the first few laps on the live timing (just to see whether its worth watching the race -no doubt both BARs will somehow collide in the first corner :oops: )......

[McChook]

Well, this sucks the big one..
Webber's race is done.
button 5th and Sato 11th after the first stops for each
Webber seconf last and a lap down after a flat tyre and a black flag for speeding in the pit lane...

[VTEC16]

yeh....quite harsh!

LOOK AT SATOS LAP TIMES! HE IS CURRENTLY THE FASTEST ON THE GRID!!!!...despite being 11th and quite recently taking on a load of fuel!!!

EDIT: ok....he has slowed down now :x

[McChook]

there's a few quick sectors in there

[VTEC16]

....our pace is going quite well.....especially since we are probs on a 2 stop strategy (i think?)

[McChook]

button 4th now...
Could be a honda on the podium here....
I dunno, I think Button will be 3 stopping, sato 2 stop

[VTEC16]

id love to see jenson overtake raikonnen....he is slowly realling him in!

[McChook]

1.7 down, still catching slowly
montoya losing out to shumi.... he's home

[VTEC16]

omg webber spins on lap 26!!

not happy jann!

[McChook]

Bad day, very baaaaaad day

[VTEC16]

new fastest 3rd sector by button!

[McChook]

Webber out,
BUTTON 3RD

Provisionally

[VTEC16]

nothing provisional about it mate :P ....he has made his stops!

[VTEC16]

wots happening??....my live timing isnt updating??

[VTEC16]

OMG sato's engine died on lap 54! too cruel...

[Calvo]

lol at u 2 commentating :D

[VTEC16]

JENSON BUTTON FINISHED 3RD!!!

WELL DONE HONDA, BAR AND JENSON!!!!


2004 Malaysian Grand Prix


Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 56 Winner 1 10

2 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 56 +5.0 secs 4 8

3 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 56 +11.5 secs 6 6

4 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 56 +13.6 secs 3 5

5 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 56 +37.3 secs 8 4

6 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 56 +53.0 secs 9 3

7 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 56 +67.8 secs 19 2

8 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 55 +1 Lap 11 1

9 16 Cristiano da Matta Toyota 55 +1 Lap 10

10 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 55 +1 Lap 13

11 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas 55 +1 Lap 12

12 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 55 +1 Lap 14

13 19 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford 54 +2 Lap 18

14 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth 53 +3 Lap 16

15 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 52 +4 Lap 20

16 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth 52 +4 Lap 17

Ret 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 40 +16 Lap 5

Ret 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford 44 +22 Laps 15

Ret 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 27 +29 Laps 7

Ret 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 23 +33 Laps 2

[toE]

nightmare for Webber...pity his luck!!

[McChook]

OH well.
Thats motorsport for ya.

[VTEC16]

Watched the channel ten coverage too......what an awesome race....was jumping around (in silence) in the living room punching the air.....this has been a LOOOONG time in the making!

[McChook]

I watched it in bits

So happy to see a Honda back on the podium. Been a long time, very happy.

[VTEC16]

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2004/sepang/diapo_390.jpg

thanks www.f1live.com for the above pic :thumbsup:

[pornstar]

DAMN IT! if Sato's car adnt caught fire he would have scored points for the constructors too!

[LUD02C]

WOW, Jensen got 3rd?
Why don't we have a big fukin party for the wanker? :roll:

I am disappointed in the Jaguar car, I read on there webpage that Mark was having doubts about its ability for the start just before the race started... :x

I love the comments from Mark about Ralf...
"Maybe he was just pissed off that i passed him" pure gold :D

There was a few positives about this race:

1/ Watching Alonso at the beginning :D
2/ Michael Winning
3/ Montoya and Michael semi battle
4/ Sato's car blowing up!
5/ Dave Richards & Honda making a nice reliable fast car

I hope Kimi gets a more reliable car in the near future..
Also hope Qualifying changes!


P.S. If your wondering, I am not a fan on Jensen at all...
Also, i think 3 other drivers could of been in Sato's seat (but motorsport is about money)

[McChook]

Honda are always keen on having a Japanese driver...

I also don't see how Michael winning is a positive. People are sick of it, and world telecast numbers are dropping. People are over him and Ferrari. He is now degrading the sport.

[pornstar]

good on honda, apparently the move to just one chassis developer and spending more money on RnD has paid of for honda.

while i was watching the telecast, i noticed that the ferrari of schumachers engine reved to 18k rpms, phenominal as it may be, but when brought to buttons car, he was goig to 19.5k rpms. backed up byt what the commentators were saying.

Doe the BAR honda engines rev higher than the ferraris?

[McChook]

The Honda mostly only revs to 18,300 or so, and 19 for spirts, but not long. The Renault revs about the same.

[LUD02C]

People where sick of Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls when they were winning, people where sick of Mick tyson knocking everyone out and people where sick of Manchester United winning the FA cup all the time!

See the trend here?
If we are going to "stop" the successful people in a sport why become a success?

I'm sure Juan or Kimi would rather beat Michael then have FIA or another body get rid of him then either Juan or Kimi wins it...
How would they feel?

It's positive because it creates other teams to push harder and invest more into beating him...
So it creates INTEREST

You want an example?

Example: Mark Skaife keeps on winning and HRT is unstoppable, well last year Markose Ambrose defeats Skaife and look what is all over the news and what everyone is talking about...
Now it might have been "boring" when HRT and Skaife were winning but it created and allowed time for FORD to develop a better car and defeat HRT which gives them a better feeling...

You might not see my point, but Michael is now a house hold name, and that is good for the sport of Formula 1 why?
Because when on the news comes Juan has won the Worlds Drivers Championship people are going to wonder what happened and how Michael didn't win and then watch the F1 because of Michael not winning...


Well thats my opinion!

[McChook]

in the same issue as skaife and HRT, is schumacher anf errari - too much money. That is thr main problem. Ferrari put everything behind one driver...

[VTEC16]

why do you hate J Button LUD02C??

[LUD02C]

why do you hate J Button LUD02C??

I don't think he is that good as everyone proclaims him to be!!!
He mainly got his drive because he is British.
There are alot of better drivers out there, who don't get a chance!

But i could be wrong, and after his performance last night at Malaysia i have found some new respect for him!

[LUD02C]

in the same issue as skaife and HRT, is schumacher anf errari - too much money. That is thr main problem. Ferrari put everything behind one driver...

So you think there should be a money cap?

[McChook]

I dunno about a salary cap, but I think a good step would be one tyre manufacturer, 3 choices of tyre. that would make it a lot nicer. Bridgestone are only working with Ferrari, which is unfair to the other teams.

I personally would like to see an anti telemetry rule. The only contact between the team and the driver and his car shold be a radio. Obviously, this would be hard to govern.
Also like to see a gear stick. Even if it is a sequential stick. Ditch rear wings, and/or front wings, and reduce engine capacity to 2litres.

[LUD02C]

I dunno about a salary cap, but I think a good step would be one tyre manufacturer, 3 choices of tyre. that would make it a lot nicer. Bridgestone are only working with Ferrari, which is unfair to the other teams.

I also hope to see just one tyre manufacturer!!!
There are only 2-3 teams left with Bridgestone isn't there?
Soon it will be like WRC Pirreli only give Subaru tyres and the rest use Michelin's..
I read in F1 Mag, that Firestone want to make a come back into F1...


personally would like to see an anti telemetry rule. The only contact between the team and the driver and his car shold be a radio. Obviously, this would be hard to govern.
Also like to see a gear stick. Even if it is a sequential stick. Ditch rear wings, and/or front wings, and reduce engine capacity to 2litres.

I also would like to see a gear shift back into F1, just like the Indy cars!
But if they are going to reduce aerodynamics i would want slicks to come back :D

[VTEC16]

I dunno about a salary cap, but I think a good step would be one tyre manufacturer, 3 choices of tyre. that would make it a lot nicer. Bridgestone are only working with Ferrari, which is unfair to the other teams.

I personally would like to see an anti telemetry rule. The only contact between the team and the driver and his car shold be a radio. Obviously, this would be hard to govern.
Also like to see a gear stick. Even if it is a sequential stick. Ditch rear wings, and/or front wings, and reduce engine capacity to 2litres.

While i agree that steps need to be made to even out the cars.... F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport....it would be a bit silly to get rid of the the aerodynamics! ......i think 2.5 litres would work a little better.... The fear of a single tire manufacturer is that the quality of tires will deteriorate....

There was a proposed testing cap (as apposed to salary cap)...but i dont think it would do much.....the teams would just invest their money eslewhere...

[McChook]

Firestone is a subsidury of Bridgestone

I think they should ditch the areo dynamics. If it is the pinnacle of motorsport, amke the drivers work harder. and yeah, bring bac the slicks.

I say, 2.5 litre engines, no FI (turbos don't last long), and front engines. Mix it up.