Hydraulic Vs. Cable clutches

[spetz]

Which one is better?

What are the cons/pros for each of them?

[blusir2]

sorry to say but there are no pro's for a cable clutch..

the cable snaps u have no clutch... which means u cant change gears which means u will stall the car and have an accident...

even if a hydraulic clutch fails it will never fail to the point where u cant use it for at least 1 more change of gear... at worst re-alistically it will leak and thats it...

i have had troubles with my master cylinder and hoses goin on my EG6 but all repairable... and i knew there was a prob coz it slowly deteriorated the engaging of my clutch... i drove about 50kms with a clutch hose leaking.. all i had to do was top it up every now and then until i got home and could get the hose from honda to change it...

if u had a cable and it snapped ... then ur stuffed.. its not like u could tie it back up..

thats my opinion anywayz.. and most mecahnics opinions... hope that helps..

Jason

[n/a]

how often do cable clutches snap?

[SiReal]

how often do cable clutches snap?

i'm sure as with any company, they'dhave rigourous testing before they mass produce cable clutches. i dont think this is an area of concern. But then again, u never know with these things.

[blusir2]

mate.. even though they are twisted cables with a high tensile strenth they snap due to the fact that if ur car has a cable clutch it is definately more than 10years old.. honda anywayz... due to rubbing and fraying on the protective sheath and tubing...

i wuz wondering why sumone would ask though?? not like u get to choose whether u have a hydraulic or cable clutch unless u wanna make a swap..

[FR33K]

the cable snaps u have no clutch... which means u cant change gears which means u will stall the car and have an accident...

even if a hydraulic clutch fails it will never fail to the point where u cant use it for at least 1 more change of gear... at worst re-alistically it will leak and thats it...

if u had a cable and it snapped ... then ur stuffed.. its not like u could tie it back up..



your couldnt be more wrong..
the hose burst in my cousins mx6 and its exactly the same thing as the cable snapping

u get stuck in gear and theres nuthin u can do

[SKREMN]

only pro with cable is that your can fully adjust the friction point with a cable clutch where as with a hydraulic clutch you only have a small window to play with
also adjustments can be made by the driver by turning a thread
not going to a machanic and dealing with hoses and fluids
my firends VK commordore cable snapped and that did 330,000 K'ms
not shure if original but

[SKREMN]

hydraulic clutchs can have a softer pedal and are smoother where cable clutches can be harder

[Dxs]

so does a cable clutch have a more 'on-off' friction point feel to it over a hydraulic one?

[fat_85_civic]

with a cable clutch you can move the friction point up and down the pedle travel.
ie fully disenguaged at halfway up or right at the top of travel.

[blusir2]

your couldnt be more wrong..
the hose burst in my cousins mx6 and its exactly the same thing as the cable snapping

u get stuck in gear and theres nuthin u can do

hahahaha... well thats mazda for u mate.. stick to honda... and u'll be fine..

well when my hose went it didnt fully brake in 2... it was just leaking...

[b18cfreak]

lol cable clutch all the way if your a backyard man :p
Only thing i don't like about hydro is that it doesn't have the adjustment flexibility of a cable type.. other than that they are practically the same shit, put your foot on the clutch pedal and you can change gear simple. lol

[blusir2]

yeh quite true.. i dunno how this thread got soo big.. such a trivial but good question?? hahahaha

no cars have cable nowdays mate... they arent reliable enough.. and also they cant handle as much pressure...

the mecahnics behind it is simple... hydraulic pressure will give much more force with lesser effort required compared to a cable clutch...

if u had a twin plate heavy duty clutch with a very heavy weighted clutch plate ur cable wouldnt be able to handle it...

[CoZZm0]

You can change gears without a clutch and if you have the motor off and start it in 1st gear you can at least limp home. i've done it before.

[spetz]

The way I see it is neither is "better" at this stage.
Hyrdraulic is supposed to be more reliable, but to this day I have seen about 4 hydraulic clutches go (leaks, master cylinders, and on one occassion the clutch just did nothing!) but have never heard/seen of a cable going.
Maybe technically hydraulic is better but practically?

Also, another question, does hydraulic clutch send less engine vibrations through the clutch pedal over cable?

[blusir2]

The way I see it is neither is "better" at this stage.
Hyrdraulic is supposed to be more reliable, but to this day I have seen about 4 hydraulic clutches go (leaks, master cylinders, and on one occassion the clutch just did nothing!) but have never heard/seen of a cable going.
Maybe technically hydraulic is better but practically?

Also, another question, does hydraulic clutch send less engine vibrations through the clutch pedal over cable?

u must understand one thing.. everyone talks about seeing or experiencing hydraulic clutch failures..

they must ask themselves how many cable clutch cars they have driven?? cable clutch is very very old... the last honda that had it was the old model EF-series CRX.. the B16A version of that had the cable.. trust me form working on one that we at TODA built to have 197.3kw at the front wheels, that a cable clutch is definately not good as good..

why do u want to know anywayz mate?? that is a better question??

the hydraulic clutch doesnt send as many as there is no physical link between the engine and clutch like the cable.. but it is slight anywayz...

[BlueSiR]

how can u tell da different between hydranlic and cable?

[Dxs]

one way to tell is if there is a reservior for the clutch.. to top up clutch fluid

[n/a]

how can u tell da different between hydranlic and cable?

are you talking about the feel of the actual clutch?

cable clutches are hard to get a smooth shift, as opposed to hydros.

pro of cable clutches : no clutch fluid needed :o

[BlueSiR]

are you talking about the feel of the actual clutch?

cable clutches are hard to get a smooth shift, as opposed to hydros.

pro of cable clutches : no clutch fluid needed :o

i meant how can u tell which one is which. like by looking at it
but ur information is also helpful :thumbsup:

[blusir2]

there wont be a cylinder for clutch fuid which is normally located next to the brake fluid cylinder.. u will also notice that there are no metal hoses goin to the gearbox for the actuator inside the box for actuation of the pressure plate..

how bout this... tell us wat year model ur car is or wat car u are enquiring about and we will tell u... this is goin round and round in circles.. hahaha

for B-series engines of honda's the bleed nipple is located on the gearbox and it is near the front bumper behind the radiator... if it has sumthin resembling that then it is a hydraulic clutch...

but if ur talkin about honda.. told u no more cable clutch after 89...

[munter]

For reference - the N14 & N15 2.0 nissan pulsars use a cable clutch. I had a car with 150k km on it when the cable snapped. It wears at the spot where it passes through the firewall - not very well engineered.

My DC4 Teg on the other hand uses a hydraulic set-up which decided to lose fluid somehow on a trip into the city today. Thanks to the kind bloke who lent me a socket spanner which allowed me to bleed the topped up clutch system.

Both systems can be broken but in my case both could be fixed without needing a garage.

[wynode]

I'd say the cable clutch is cheaper to make resulting in reduced costs overall.

Having driven both cable and hydrualic clutches i'd say the hydraulic one is much easier on your let although the point of engagement (pedal travel) is rather short. Hence making it a bit harder to get ther perfect launch till you get used to it. but shifting quickly will be easier with the hydraulic clutch (due to less travel).

Even 2000 model Corollas come with a cable clutch but most 1990+ Honda's come with hydraulic clutches.

[FR33K]

but if ur talkin about honda.. told u no more cable clutch after 89...

bzzzzzzzztttt integra has a cable clutch up to 93 :)