S2000 To Turbocharge or Not? [Archive]

stevharr

01-12-2005, 08:33 AM

Q_ball

01-12-2005, 08:34 AM

it has been done on these forums, and its mighty mighty quick!!
12.2 down the 1/4 :)
9krpm is ya man :D

stevharr

01-12-2005, 08:40 AM

ok ur gonna have to decode that for me, :) I don't understand the jargon!

destrukshn

01-12-2005, 08:48 AM

try rick damelians.
they have done a sueprcharger kit on a nsx before, and that kit was from the U.S.
it may of been a one off thing though.
but give them a try.

civ_sik

01-12-2005, 08:59 AM

ok ur gonna have to decode that for me, :) I don't understand the jargon!

lol, a person on this website has turboed his s2000 before, and its very fast!!
it runs 12.2 down the 1/4 mile...
9000rpm and turbo is awesome

stevharr

01-12-2005, 09:06 AM

ok good, that's what we like :D Question is now, where should I get it fitted and can I be confident that the kit will fit a RHD? The kit is costing $4000 US and an extra $450 to ship to OZ, so I'll be mighty upset if it ends up in the skip!

destrukshn

01-12-2005, 09:10 AM

everything SHOULD fit fine, as far as i know that the layout is the same.. besides a few thigns here and there.
if somethigns don't fit, i should be only minor, and shouldn't be too hard for the installer to work around it.
you should get a performance workshop to do it, as they probably could figure somethign out if somethign doesn't fit properly.

stevharr

01-12-2005, 09:14 AM

can anyone recommend anywhere, and how much would it cost (to the nearest $500)? I'd prefer to pay more and get a good job done, than be a tight arse and have my engine explode in my face at 9000 rpm

Q_ball

01-12-2005, 09:15 AM

the guys nickname on the forum is 9krpm
pm him, ill try and link ya to his thread...

Q_ball

01-12-2005, 09:17 AM

have a read of this mate...mite find the info that you need :)

http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15562

steve

01-12-2005, 11:47 AM

Noooo! go hardcore N/A! Its jus so much more sexier:D

stephen8512

01-12-2005, 11:57 AM

try

http://www.s2ki.com

these guys have all the info and "how to's" in regards to supercharging and turbocharging S2000's

.::F[L]Y::.

01-12-2005, 12:24 PM

for supercharger kits i would recommend the kits from Comptech. Very neat and tidy setups with great gains.

numlock

01-12-2005, 12:26 PM

go N/A!!! spent that on suspension

stevharr

01-12-2005, 12:31 PM

what's N/A?

.::F[L]Y::.

01-12-2005, 01:07 PM

what's N/A?

NA= naturally aspirated (which your car is now)

IMO adding turbo kits or superchargers to honda engines is just a waste of money. honda engines are refined as is, bolting on a turbo or supercharger is just causing more strain on the engine shortening its lifespan. I understand u can rebuild the motor, but whats the point? You can simply just buy a nissan and do all that and get so much more. I guess those who choose the force induction route with their hondas want something different but i belive down the line they will encounter problems.

stevharr

01-12-2005, 01:12 PM

Y::.']NA= naturally aspirated (which your car is now)

IMO adding turbo kits or superchargers to honda engines is just a waste of money. honda engines are refined as is, bolting on a turbo or supercharger is just causing more strain on the engine shortening its lifespan. I understand u can rebuild the motor, but whats the point? You can simply just buy a nissan and do all that and get so much more. I guess those who choose the force induction route with their hondas want something different but i belive down the line they will encounter problems.

That's what I am afraid of. These cars are too expensive to experiment with, which is why I posed the question.

.::F[L]Y::.

01-12-2005, 01:18 PM

im keeping my S2K NA, jus do your basic mods such as intake, exhaust, and headers....the F20c isnt the easy to get power from. FI would be the best power gains but at what cost? If i wanted a road rocket i would have bought a nissan, S2K is a good all rounder with excellent cornering and good speed to beat most cars on the road.

.::F[L]Y::.

01-12-2005, 01:31 PM

hehehe i know how u feel. You cant realli compare NA vs turbo. Turbo cars are capable of 200+ KWs at the wheels whilst S2K has only 120-135kw at the wheels. Hardly a fair race. But on the track i beat ya that nissan that beat you would have a difficult time if it wasnt properly setup. If your one of those ppl who have to be the fastest then the s2000 isnt for you and id suggest for you to sell it. No point trying to be the fastest on the road.

stevharr

01-12-2005, 01:55 PM

well, I don't really expect to be the fastest on the road, or I'd rob a bank and buy an F1 McLaren! :D But it would be nice to have a little more power to put it on par with a 350Z for example

Felix

01-12-2005, 02:05 PM

Noooo! go hardcore N/A! Its jus so much more sexier:D

Right On!
wanna turbo, buy a nissan.

Felix

01-12-2005, 02:07 PM

But it would be nice to have a little more power to put it on par with a 350Z for example

Stock, i'd think an S2000 is allready better then a 350z....

steve

01-12-2005, 07:18 PM

To go a little off topic... i got a short vid of a yank with a ap1 s2k wit toda quad throttles, spec c toda cams n all this other crazy shit and DAMN the thing sounds like it belongs on a F1 grid:D

stephen8512

01-12-2005, 09:20 PM

honda build quality > nissan build quality
hondas sexy looks > nissans looks
so therefore, honda > nissan
heheheh.....

.::F[L]Y::.

01-12-2005, 09:40 PM

To go a little off topic... i got a short vid of a yank with a ap1 s2k wit toda quad throttles, spec c toda cams n all this other crazy shit and DAMN the thing sounds like it belongs on a F1 grid:D

hehe steve, i have that clip. The thing sounds awesome!

ACTI0NMAN-1

01-12-2005, 09:42 PM

To go a little off topic... i got a short vid of a yank with a ap1 s2k wit toda quad throttles, spec c toda cams n all this other crazy shit and DAMN the thing sounds like it belongs on a F1 grid:D

whats the file name or description, so i can search for it on limewire.

z3lda

01-12-2005, 10:42 PM

pacman s2k . quads with full hytech exhaust system.

50megs

steve

03-12-2005, 06:35 AM

Y::.']hehe steve, i have that clip. The thing sounds awesome!

What can i say? We have good taste;) haha

hondaboy

03-12-2005, 10:47 AM

Boost it man!
6psi won't do any damage and should give you about 95hp increase @ the wheels

stevharr

05-12-2005, 08:14 AM

Boost it man!
6psi won't do any damage and should give you about 95hp increase @ the wheels

The turbo kit is on order :D

_CiVIC_

05-12-2005, 03:29 PM

The turbo kit is on order :D

So easily influenced. Well hope all goes well and you keep us updated on your progress.

alzteg

07-12-2005, 11:25 AM

call up that asian dude from fast and the furious...

i'm sure he can help... he can prolly hook you up with nos too!

stephen8512

07-12-2005, 11:30 AM

call up that asian dude from fast and the furious...

i'm sure he can help... he can prolly hook you up with nos too!

just dont nark him out

pornstar

07-12-2005, 04:45 PM

Stevehar, im about to start a conversion on an s2k for boost in the next week. If ur in sydney, speak to Adrian from Toda racing, they have a fully completed one and the thing is a beast. daily driven

stevharr

07-12-2005, 04:49 PM

.::F[L]Y::.

08-12-2005, 02:31 PM

stevharr how much did the kit cost you??

stevharr

08-12-2005, 02:38 PM

Y::.']stevharr how much did the kit cost you??

about $3800 US, go to http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/
and search for "rev hard", you'll see all the kits that they supply. Of course I'l have to pay import tax on top of that :confused:
So all up around $6000 AU. I have no clue how much it will cost to get it fitted, so it may sit in the garage for a while...

hondaboy

08-12-2005, 09:29 PM

Get them to mark it as a "gift" so you don't have to pay tax.
I got a quote to fit a turbo kit - "anywhere between $800 to $1500 depending on how 'bolt-on' the kit is"

stevharr

09-12-2005, 09:04 AM

Get them to mark it as a "gift" so you don't have to pay tax.
I got a quote to fit a turbo kit - "anywhere between $800 to $1500 depending on how 'bolt-on' the kit is"

thats a good idea. Don't know if the guy will go for it though, but certainly worth a try,

BigWillieStyles

14-01-2006, 11:30 PM

try

http://www.s2ki.com (http://www.s2ki.com/)

these guys have all the info and "how to's" in regards to supercharging and turbocharging S2000's

Yeah thats wat i was gona recommend, the S being so much cheaper in the US means that alot of owners in the US turbo.

Jez, i see u have already bought a setup, look forward to hearing what results u get!

AusS2000

23-01-2006, 08:13 PM

BigWillieStyles

24-01-2006, 01:17 AM

^^^
Is this the same for the supercharging kits such as comptec and vortec?

AusS2000

24-01-2006, 07:55 AM

No, the Comptech and Vortech SCs fit pretty well. I had the Comptech kit before the turbo. The only adjustment was the mounting location of the FPR.

stevharr

24-01-2006, 02:25 PM

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the Rev Hard kit will not fit. It's a low mount turbo manifold the turbo sits right where the steering rod is. You'd have to replace the manifold and downpipe, so you may as well just go custom.

The only US made kit I know that fits RHD is the LoveFab V1 kit. How do I know? I have one.

http://www.lovefab.com/

I asked Adrian from Toda racing and he seemed to think that it would be able to be fitted. In fact toda racing will be doing the modifications for me when the kit arrives later this week. I really hope that we are able to use the kit, because otherwise it's a lot of money down the drain. I also asked the supplier if it could be fitted to a RHD and he assured me that other than a few modifications to the piping the kit would fit. I will not be happy if he has misled me.

AusS2000

24-01-2006, 09:55 PM

Ok, best of luck. Adrian knows what he is doing.

AusS2000

31-01-2006, 09:01 AM

Any updates?

stevharr

02-02-2006, 11:05 AM

Any updates?
Not as yet, still wait for the supplier to ship the kit

blusir2

15-02-2006, 05:40 PM

I am interested to know if anyone has any experience, or has heard of anyone that has turbochrged their s2000. I have aquired (although not paid for yet) a "rev hard" kit from the US on ebay. Since committing to buy, I have started to have reservations. Firstly because the kit is for LHD and will need the piping modifying to fit (at least thats all the seller "thinks" is all that will need changing), secondly because Honda refused point blank to make the modification for me :thumbdwn:

I think the best idea is to take your car to our workshop. Toda Racing Australia in Ingleburn. As many people here will know Adrian was one of the first people in Australia to turbo a S2000. He did it back in 1999 and he knows Honda's inside out. We have that same S2000 now being fully re-worked and it will be a stunner when it is finished. When it was on the road i can tell that it was very very fast and it was reliable with no problems. Adrian spent a lot of time on that car and he really knows how to do it right. You can't just slap on a turbo and assume it will go well. It is a very very hard car to tune and modify as it only comes good with the right mods and parts combinations. Just come down for a chat and you can get a very good idea of what we can do for u. I myself am making mine a N/A beast and i will soon post up dyno charts and news of wat a F20C can do when it is modified correctly with the right parts and handwork.
Hope u find the info u need and good luck with ur project.

stevharr

16-02-2006, 09:23 AM

I have a quote from Toda Racing for doing the work and have also spoken to Adrian. All I need to do now is find out how long I'll be without the car and then I will arrange to bring it in to your workshop.

I think the best idea is to take your car to our workshop. Toda Racing Australia in Ingleburn. As many people here will know Adrian was one of the first people in Australia to turbo a S2000. He did it back in 1999 and he knows Honda's inside out. We have that same S2000 now being fully re-worked and it will be a stunner when it is finished. When it was on the road i can tell that it was very very fast and it was reliable with no problems. Adrian spent a lot of time on that car and he really knows how to do it right. You can't just slap on a turbo and assume it will go well. It is a very very hard car to tune and modify as it only comes good with the right mods and parts combinations. Just come down for a chat and you can get a very good idea of what we can do for u. I myself am making mine a N/A beast and i will soon post up dyno charts and news of wat a F20C can do when it is modified correctly with the right parts and handwork.
Hope u find the info u need and good luck with ur project.

blusir2

16-02-2006, 03:09 PM

That sounds good Stevharr. Did u ring or come in. Havent heard about it yet thats all. Hope everything goes well anywayz. Im sure we'll bump into eachother if ur coming for a turbo kit.

stevharr

16-02-2006, 03:15 PM

That sounds good Stevharr. Did u ring or come in. Havent heard about it yet thats all. Hope everything goes well anywayz. Im sure we'll bump into eachother if ur coming for a turbo kit.

I have been emailing Adrian, but rang today and spoke to his wife. It is booked in for next wednesday and should be ready for the weekend :D

dc-r

21-02-2006, 07:53 AM

NA !!! Best rear wheel drive in NA.
NO TURBO please....:)

stevharr

24-02-2006, 10:06 AM

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the Rev Hard kit will not fit. It's a low mount turbo manifold the turbo sits right where the steering rod is. You'd have to replace the manifold and downpipe, so you may as well just go custom.

The only US made kit I know that fits RHD is the LoveFab V1 kit. How do I know? I have one.

http://www.lovefab.com/

You were right, Adrian called me yesterday to give me the bad news :( The manifold has to be replaced. Unfortunately by the time I saw your post I'd already paid for the kit. At least once the manifold and down piping has been sorted out it should be plain sailing.

AusS2000

24-02-2006, 10:14 AM

Sorry...

Just so you know, there is a fairly active forum on S2000s over at http://au.s2ki.com.

And several of us are FI.

stevharr

24-02-2006, 10:57 AM

Sorry...

Just so you know, there is a fairly active forum on S2000s over at http://au.s2ki.com.

And several of us are FI.
I've just spoken to Adrian and replacing the manifold will solve all of the problems, the downpipe is ok, so an inconvenience, but the project will be completed.

AusS2000

27-02-2006, 05:21 PM

joneblaze

27-02-2006, 05:37 PM

I think the best idea is to take your car to our workshop. Toda Racing Australia in Ingleburn. As many people here will know Adrian was one of the first people in Australia to turbo a S2000. He did it back in 1999 and he knows Honda's inside out. We have that same S2000 now being fully re-worked and it will be a stunner when it is finished. When it was on the road i can tell that it was very very fast and it was reliable with no problems. Adrian spent a lot of time on that car and he really knows how to do it right. You can't just slap on a turbo and assume it will go well. It is a very very hard car to tune and modify as it only comes good with the right mods and parts combinations. Just come down for a chat and you can get a very good idea of what we can do for u. I myself am making mine a N/A beast and i will soon post up dyno charts and news of wat a F20C can do when it is modified correctly with the right parts and handwork.
Hope u find the info u need and good luck with ur project.

Wish Adrian took that much care and time with every car that came through his workshop.... :rolleyes:

.::F[L]Y::.

27-02-2006, 06:42 PM

Wish Adrian took that much care and time with every car that came through his workshop.... :rolleyes:

whats that suppose to mean?

blusir2

27-02-2006, 10:36 PM

Wish Adrian took that much care and time with every car that came through his workshop.... :rolleyes:

What is that supposed to mean?? I work at TODA Racing?? Have we done something in the past to make u unhappy?

If you ask everyone who has been in the shop Adrian does good work and treats ppl very well if he is treated well himself. Hope there is not a mis-understanding?

Anwayz.... Steve's car is looking good and I was working on it today a little. Will be good when finished.

Jason
TODA Racing Australia

AusS2000

28-02-2006, 09:36 AM

I'm guessing this will be too late once again but.....

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=363602

This is basically the same manifold I'm using.

stevharr

01-03-2006, 09:40 PM

I'm guessing this will be too late once again but.....

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=363602

This is basically the same manifold I'm using.
cheers W, but Adrian has had one specially made for me.

stevharr

01-03-2006, 09:45 PM

I'm surprised the downpipe is OK. That would lead me to believe the turbo will be mounted in the same position and only the manifold changed. I would have thought both the manifold and turbo would interfere with the steering shaft.

Maybe I misunderstood what I was told, but I see what you are saying. The turbo is being moved by about three cm so I assume that the downpipe will need to be modded too. Right now I just want my car back, I've been driving the pool car at work - a toyota camry - and it's driving me insane... :(

blusir2

02-03-2006, 07:42 AM

Maybe I misunderstood what I was told, but I see what you are saying. The turbo is being moved by about three cm so I assume that the downpipe will need to be modded too. Right now I just want my car back, I've been driving the pool car at work - a toyota camry - and it's driving me insane... :(

u'll get it back soon Steve. The kit itself was a bit fiddly and we will be making up a custom manifold to fit. The inlet housing itself isnt gonna fit either, so we will figure something out and make it all nice .. it will be a beast when finished..

ur car seems very new.. wheels are in excellent condition and have been polished?? are u the first owner??

Jason
TODA Racing Australia

blusir2

02-03-2006, 07:37 PM

What's an inlet housing and why won't it fit? Please take digital photographs of all the problems so i can take it up with Rev Hard.

I'm actually the second owner, it was owned by a girl before who really looked after it. I think she polished it every day, only drove it on sundays, and shifted gear at 4000 rpm. What a waste.... Now it get's driven properly :D
If if wasn't for the fact that it doesnt have the red leather interior it could pass for an 05 model easily. It's actually a 00 model. There are a few small stone chips here and there, but I only see them when I polish it, other than that it's in good nick for a six year old. Oh, the rear window's a bit ropey too, but I usually have the roof down and the rear cover on... unless it's raining.

the rear window is an easy fix mate... i use meguirs plastic polish and after i use it to polish the vinyl window it looks like glass.. its crystal clear.. u will be amazed at how good it is..

yeh i got a 00' model too.. mine is in immaculate condition as well coz the guy before didnt drive it hard and took care of it as well.. mine is blk as u can see with the red leather interior..

.::F[L]Y::.

02-03-2006, 10:23 PM

the rear window is an easy fix mate... i use meguirs plastic polish and after i use it to polish the vinyl window it looks like glass.. its crystal clear.. u will be amazed at how good it is..

yeh i got a 00' model too.. mine is in immaculate condition as well coz the guy before didnt drive it hard and took care of it as well.. mine is blk as u can see with the red leather interior..

how would u remove the scratches from the window? mine is scratched :(

AusS2000

03-03-2006, 07:33 AM

That's the definition of 'polish'.

AusS2000

03-03-2006, 07:38 AM

Although I'm removing my scratches by replacing the soft top with one from an 05.

stevharr

03-03-2006, 09:06 AM

AusS2000

03-03-2006, 09:49 AM

Mothers and Macquires do one.

Or get Plexus from a marine supplier like Whitworths.

blusir2

03-03-2006, 11:08 AM

where can I get hold of this plastic polish?

i dun wanna give meguiar's too much of a good wrap but they are pretty good.

i am sure no one will have any compalints after they use this...
there are stronger ones with more polishing abilities if it is really scratched..

http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=93&category=RETAIL&subcat=Glass,%20Clear%20Plastic%20and%20Exterior%2 0Trim&subsubcat=&show=1

AusS2000

03-03-2006, 03:43 PM

Steve - you'll appreciate this:

http://media.putfile.com/your-beautiful36

stevharr

03-03-2006, 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=AusS2000]Steve - you'll appreciate this:

http://media.putfile.com/your-beautiful36[/QUOTE

I bet his tyres don't last long :)

toE

03-03-2006, 04:10 PM

Please start another thread if you wish to talk about anything else besides the topic at hand.

-Jimmy

stevharr

12-03-2006, 02:03 PM

This manifold is still holding up the project. It's a more complicated process than I realised. I called the workshop that is making the manifold to try to hurry things along a bit, they told me late this week. So hopefully Adrian will have it finished for early next week.

AusS2000

12-03-2006, 02:16 PM

I gotta say that when you said it was "just" the manifold I thought to myself, what else is there?It's the major part of the project. Not only is it entirely custom for a RHD low volume car but it holds the whole weight of the turbo and exhaust off the side of the head. Everything else is just window dressing.

stevharr

12-03-2006, 02:24 PM

AusS2000

17-03-2006, 08:08 AM

Come on, you running yet? How long does it take to install a turbo?

Ok, so my car was on jack stands in my garage for 3 months but then I'm a hack. ;)

stevharr

17-03-2006, 08:57 AM

Come on, you running yet? How long does it take to install a turbo?

Ok, so my car was on jack stands in my garage for 3 months but then I'm a hack. ;)
Hmmm, I've been asking myself the same question, but in fairness to Toda it is the manifold that is holding things up, and that was kinda my fault :o
The question should be:
"How long does it take to make a manifold?"

AusS2000

18-03-2006, 06:09 PM

I ran all over the place lookig for someone to make a manifold for mine. No one was too keen and would quote ridiculous prices and delivery time and down time.

I did quite a bit of research with LoveFab in the US before being confident that their manifold would fit and was greatly relieved when it did.

jimmeh

18-03-2006, 10:11 PM

AusS2000

19-03-2006, 08:28 AM

Ahh, another satisfied LoveFab customer. I had no idea he was so international.

stevharr

23-03-2006, 08:11 AM

Ahh, another satisfied LoveFab customer. I had no idea he was so international.

If I knew that it was going to take this long to make a manifold I could have shipped one in from LoveFab too, I emailed Cody and he quoted me two weeks, my car has been off the road now for four and still no sign of the manifold. The most frustrating thing is that I can't even get a date for when it will be ready, all I get is "probably next week".
I'm picking my car back up tomorrow and will take it back once this part is finally finished.

AusS2000

23-03-2006, 09:03 AM

That's the way of things in the auto industry. I expect Adrian has a fabricator giving him the same story: Real Soon Now.

AusS2000

23-03-2006, 09:05 AM

And just so you know, Cody quoted me two weeks and six weeks later it arrived. Can't fault it though. It was one of the early production models.

stevharr

23-03-2006, 09:16 AM

That's the way of things in the auto industry. I expect Adrian has a fabricator giving him the same story: Real Soon Now.

I think Adrian is getting as frustrated as me with the time it's taking, or maybe hes frustrated with me on his back all the time :confused:
But I guess he's used to these sorts of delays, whereas I'm not. The bottom line is that I can't be without my car anymore, it's just too inconvenient.

stevharr

26-03-2006, 05:03 PM

finally the manifold is ready. All being well I'll be picking the car up on wednesday. Let's hope there are no more issues.

AusS2000

26-03-2006, 05:17 PM

Hooray!

But aim for Friday. Less disappointment that way.

I'll call Adrian tomorrow and might take my car down for a tune. That way he can do two at once.

AusS2000

27-03-2006, 10:27 AM

I'm down there on Wednesday for a tune. Whatever we end up with should be a good starting point for the tune on your car as our systems are very similar.

stevharr

27-03-2006, 12:01 PM

I'm down there on Wednesday for a tune. Whatever we end up with should be a good starting point for the tune on your car as our systems are very similar.

I was hoping to pick it up wednesday, so maybe mine will get done first. How often do you need to get retunes?

AusS2000

27-03-2006, 01:33 PM

Keep them fingers crossed.

You need to get a retune everytime you add an enlarged throttle body and bigger injectors. ;)

Seriously, with a good tune and especially if you're using a wideband with AFR feedback correction you really should only need to tune once. Of course if you tune on a hot humid day the tune won't be ideal for a cold dry day so some tweaking for the best compromise is possible.

BTW, what exhaust are you using?

stevharr

27-03-2006, 04:29 PM

AusS2000

27-03-2006, 04:37 PM

Ok, but that exhaust will strangle you a bit. I'm running 3" straight through with a high flow cat.

Ahmad

27-03-2006, 06:47 PM

just wanted to say i carn't wait for this car to be finished i wanna see the difference in power, good luck with it all hope it actually does finish on wednesday. I am trying to sell the car i am driving now so i can start looking for a s2000 :D

stevharr

27-03-2006, 07:56 PM

Ok, but that exhaust will strangle you a bit. I'm running 3" straight through with a high flow cat.

I see. Does the exhaust make that much difference? I guess that's something I can look at further down the line.

hondaboy

27-03-2006, 10:09 PM

you would need to tune again once you fit exhaust.
on stock turbo cars performance increases significantly with just an aftermarket exhaust system

AusS2000

28-03-2006, 09:25 AM

stevharr

28-03-2006, 10:01 AM

It's a bad combo having a big non-BB turbo and small exhaust. It'll slow your spool and choke you up top. Don't get me wrong, it'll still be ballistic, but not what it could be. A smaller BB turbo like a GT2871 would spool nicely and not be so big to really need a bigber exhaust. Or a bigger BB turbo like a GT3071 or GT35 and a free flowing exhaust will massively improve your top end.
My turbo is a T04E/T3 Hybrid Turbo (quoted from rev hard's website), I remember Adrian commenting that it was physically quite big when he first saw it.
At least I know that I will be able to improve the performance still further by simply having a larger exhaust fitted, and I'm sure that "Ballistic" will keep me happy for a little while.. :)

AusS2000

28-03-2006, 11:10 AM

T4/3 hybrids are ideal for the S but are a top end turbo. Hitting VTEC will feel like a mule kicking you in the back.

stevharr

28-03-2006, 11:15 AM

T4/3 hybrids are ideal for the S but are a top end turbo. Hitting VTEC will feel like a mule kicking you in the back.

Interesting analogy... Although I'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad. I am assuming good in a bad way

AusS2000

28-03-2006, 11:25 AM

You'll like it. Just be careful when making sudden overtaking moves. It'll like to light up the tyres.

Ahmad

29-03-2006, 10:29 AM

well i am guessing u can keep your fuel consumption down as long as you keep it in the low revs thats a good thing about it, i thought the turbo might love to spool early which would see you going to the fuel station a bit more.

AusS2000

29-03-2006, 01:17 PM

It's not whether or not the turbo spools, but whether or not you have the throttle open.

There is also the argument that with more low end torque you often drive in a higher gear (lower revs) than NA. This could theoretically make you more fuel efficient. But he reality is that you don't spend thousands ona turbo then compalin about fuel economy.

AusS2000

30-03-2006, 06:32 PM

How often do you see two turbo S2000s in the same room?

http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/today/Picture(20).jpg

Close up of Steve's beast:

http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/today/Picture(21).jpg

Mine on the dyno:

http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/today/Picture(22).jpg

Ahmad

30-03-2006, 07:14 PM

dam looking goooooooooood

hondaboy

30-03-2006, 07:23 PM

Any power figures?

AusS2000

30-03-2006, 07:38 PM

We're still at around 213Kw. We were tuning for midrange today.

Once we get the boost control sorted we will experiment with more power, but they may wait until I install the new block.

stevharr

30-03-2006, 09:26 PM

That's the first time I've seen my car for five weeks! But it put a big smile on my face :)

AusS2000

30-03-2006, 09:29 PM

Did it have the big dent in the back when you dropped it off?

Just f%#@n' with ya!

stevharr

31-03-2006, 08:04 AM

Did it have the big dent in the back when you dropped it off?

Just f%#@n' with ya!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You are an evil man

AusS2000

31-03-2006, 08:12 AM

I resemble that comment.

Ahmad

31-03-2006, 05:19 PM

around 125kw atw to 213kw atw ?

djrice14

31-03-2006, 05:19 PM

I know of Vortech making kits for s2000 www.capa.com.au

AusS2000

31-03-2006, 05:23 PM

They're more like 130-135rwKw stock I think but otherwise! :thumbsup:

Vortech and Comptech kits are old news. I had a Comptech for a year and a half before going turbo.

There is a new kit from BPR that uses a positive displacement SC so is closer to competing with a turbo. But it won't fit RHD.

00UCH

31-03-2006, 05:37 PM

wouldnt it be better if you put a blower on it couse its V-Tec

Ahmad

31-03-2006, 05:46 PM

sorry to go offtopic but 00UCH do you own a r32 GTR

AusS2000

31-03-2006, 06:40 PM

wouldnt it be better if you put a blower on it

No.

couse its V-Tec

And how is that relevant?

When you say blower I assume you mean 'crank driven supercharger' as opposed to 'exhaust turbine driven supercharger' or turbocharger.

The commonly available SCs for the S2000 are crank driven but have a centrifugal compressor. So they have the bad characteristics of both TCs and SCs in one. Their boost is dependant on speed and their speed is proportinal to the engine. So if you can only handle 6 psi at redline (9000rpm) then you'll only have about 3psi if that at 4500. And you always have parasitic drag on the engine.

Turbos are better because if properly sized you can have good boost early in the rev range and then cap it at that level all the way to redline. Mine hits 7psi at 3200 and stays there all the way to 9200. And if I want more anywhere along the curve I can control it via the AEM EMS.

The BPR SC is a positive displacement SC. so every revolution it provide a set amount of compressed air from idle to redline (there are some losses and inefficiencies up top but nothing major. It's a very nice set up but still not as controllable as the turbo.

Where VTEC comes into it I haven't got a clue.

Weq

31-03-2006, 07:37 PM

interesting thread :)

Its definatly the way of the auto industry - *it'll be done tomorrow*

superR

31-03-2006, 07:54 PM

dun worrie it will be finished either tomorrow and or monday........i recon you will get 180ish @ wheels then 200 with a 3inch zorst.
but then again what do i know

james

pornstar

01-04-2006, 02:53 AM

exactly james, what would u know :p jk brudda :)

pm me how things are going

AusS2000

01-04-2006, 03:59 AM

Weq

01-04-2006, 11:57 AM

You really have to work on cars yourself to understand the flexible schedules. It's amazing the stupid things that pop up and take a ridiculous amounts of time. When I did my clutch I stuffed a couple of the drive shaft bolts. I ordered them from Honda and they took two weeks!

Contray. The automotive instrusty is dictated by dollar. I have had experience with very few people who have not given priority to someone else who is offering 'more' money. No a first come, first servied basis. It seems as though there is very little thought given to customer service and the idioligy that 'there will always be another (customer)' is flawed.

As a customer, you think your money is just as good as the other mans. Alas, just because you dropped 10k on some work, dont think you will be given any sort of priority.

AusS2000

01-04-2006, 08:50 PM

There's certainly some truth in that. But in the case of Steve's car I expect Toda are as anxious to get it finished and invoiced as Steve is to drive it. I expect it would be pretty high on the priority list.

stevharr

02-04-2006, 04:47 PM

After a mild heart attack on friday when Adrian told me that my EMS was shagged, there has been some good progress over the weekend. I popped over to Ingleburn on Saturday and to my relief found that the EMS hadn't worked because my car's battery had gone flat. :)
The car is now running and was taken to the workshop down the road to have some welding done on the piping. Once that is done, it will go on the Dyno. So all being well it should be tuned tomorrow.

stevharr

02-04-2006, 04:51 PM

stevharr

03-04-2006, 05:53 PM

My car will be ready for collection tomorrow. It has been on the dyno today and Adrian will be finishing it off in the morning. :) :) :)

AusS2000

03-04-2006, 06:40 PM

Noice! :thumbsup:

superR

04-04-2006, 11:26 AM

so what happened ? did Mr Norton get round to it today...... im very interest to see how it all turns out with minimal exhaust mods.

james

stevharr

04-04-2006, 11:30 AM

so what happened ? did Mr Norton get round to it today...... im very interest to see how it all turns out with minimal exhaust mods.

james

Well... I only know what I'm told, and Celia told me that it will be out the door today. No power figures or anything yet because I haven't spoken to Adrian. So watch this space!

AusS2000

04-04-2006, 04:52 PM

Waiting patiently...........HURRY UP! :mad:

stevharr

04-04-2006, 08:20 PM

Waiting patiently...........HURRY UP! :mad:

After six weeks anticipation, I finally got to drive a turbocharged S2000.. My turbocharged S2000!! And it is awesome. Adrian had some issues tuning it, most of which went about 10 metres above my head. But the final consistant power @rw was 184 kw (it was 134 in stock form). So a 50kw gain with the stock exhaust system.
The best part is that it is really quiet and the only sign that it is not stock is pssst from under the bonnet when I floor it.
If anyone was on the M5 around 18:30 and saw a silverstone blurr- that was me :)

superR

04-04-2006, 08:29 PM

3" zorst time....oh and who predicted the power output? lol
congrats man.....vtec turbo is awesome

stevharr

04-04-2006, 08:45 PM

3" zorst time....oh and who predicted the power output? lol
congrats man.....vtec turbo is awesome

Yes I did think of you when Adrian said 184kw. Strange thing is that I don't notice the VTEC anymore, the torque is pretty constant right up to redline from around 3000 rpm. I think Adrian said that VTEC is coming in at 7000rpm now, but I can't tell because once it gets to 7000 it zips to redline in a fraction of a second.
It gets really really hot in the footwell i notice, you could have had a BBQ on the turbo after 90 minutes of driving. I've also lost the stock oil cooller/heater
because that's what the Revhard kit required (the oil filter has been repositioned). So the next job is to get that and the temperature guage sorted (AEM EMS can't drive the temperature guage for some reason). I've got the driver for the temp guage from the US, and Adrian will sort the Oil cooling issue for me in a few weeks.

AusS2000

04-04-2006, 11:38 PM

The main reason you 'feel' VTEC is that the power is dropping off before it. Witht he turbo you have good usuable power throughout the range so there is no real noticable changeover.

superR

05-04-2006, 07:26 AM

dude that oil relocation kit you got allows for an oil cooler to be put on......its hell easy man ..... just ge adrian to hook you up with all the gear dude.
oh and ps , looksa awesome where they put the oil filter now doesnt it. lol

stevharr

05-04-2006, 10:32 AM

The main reason you 'feel' VTEC is that the power is dropping off before it. Witht he turbo you have good usuable power throughout the range so there is no real noticable changeover.

I'm going to fit that display driver today, any advice?

AusS2000

05-04-2006, 10:37 AM

Double and triple check the wires before install. It's pretty tight and dark under the dash. If you need a hand you're welcome to come over to my 'workshop'. Don't forget the Brokenwood. ;)

stevharr

05-04-2006, 10:43 AM

Double and triple check the wires before install. It's pretty tight and dark under the dash. If you need a hand you're welcome to come over to my 'workshop'. Don't forget the Brokenwood. ;)

Cheers, but electrical stuff I'm ok with. I'll save the brokenwood for anything that requires spanners. ;)

AusS2000

05-04-2006, 10:52 AM

stevharr

05-04-2006, 10:55 AM

Damn, I was hoping for an excuse to get out of work.

The instructions are pretty good. Just follow them but pretend there is a steering wheel in the way.

BTW, do you have an extension harness or is the AEM connected directly to the loom?
Directly to the loom, it was a bit fiddley to get it to sit nicely, so they had to cut a space underneath the passanger footwell polystyrene footplate.

AusS2000

05-04-2006, 11:03 AM

Bugger. Make sure you have a good lamp and a contortionist. Actually having a contortionist is always a good idea.

stevharr

05-04-2006, 08:23 PM

Bugger. Make sure you have a good lamp and a contortionist. Actually having a contortionist is always a good idea.

did you re-program yours or use the default settings?

AusS2000

05-04-2006, 10:11 PM

Default. It shows three bars like standard at normal temp. But can go to 2 or 4 for short periods.

pornstar

06-04-2006, 12:00 AM

congrats steve

stevharr

13-04-2006, 12:33 PM

So when are you organising the next drive Wayne? Any chance it will be before I fly home on the 26th?

AusS2000

13-04-2006, 08:51 PM

Not likely as it's double demerits over easter and heap of cops about. Weekend of the 22nd is possible if the DDs are over.

stevharr

13-04-2006, 09:04 PM

Not likely as it's double demerits over easter.

Oh yeah, I was forgetting about that in view of the fact that I'm driving on my UK licence :) :)

I Copper pulled me over about a year ago (it was easter weekend) and seemed really pleased with himself for catching me speeding, that was until he discovered that on my visa I can drive on my UK licence indefinitely and therefore can't get demerit points. :D

hondaboy

14-04-2006, 05:44 PM

can we have some pics and videos please:cool:

E-Honda

14-04-2006, 09:54 PM

Be a MAN! do it

Weq

15-04-2006, 12:42 AM

u wanna sell, im looking for a turbo s2000 atm, rather not do it myself :P
pm me!

AusS2000

15-04-2006, 09:49 PM

Can't answer for Steve, and I doubt he's interested after spending the last 6 weeks putting it together but you never know.

And I'm not interested in selling mine, but out of interest, what would you expect to pay for a turbo S2000? Would you expect it to command more than an equivalent stock car, or less?

Weq

16-04-2006, 02:37 PM

well it all depends on the condition/quality of the conversion. If its something sub-par u would expect lessm value. I suppose the main market for the s2k isnt really a modified scene, stock, relaible and warrenty are big factors i guess.

AusS2000

16-04-2006, 05:12 PM

So you are hoping that Steve took a good condition S2000, spent a fortune turboing it and will now sell it for less than it was worth stock? Doesn't sound particularly likely to me.

Take my car for example. The market for a turbocharged S2000 is pretty small. Most people want originality, warranty etc. I guess if I had to sell it I've have to take a huge loss. But I knew this before I built it. And not being a complete idiot made sure it was a long term investment whose return came in tyre smoke and smiles.

So you might tell me you'll only offer $30K for my car but I'll just laugh and tell you to me it's worth a whole lot more and it ain't for sale. If someone offered me $100K for it I'd consider it, but I'm not waiting by the phone.

hondaboy

17-04-2006, 01:32 AM

I'd imagine that a turbo S would probably sell for 5-10k more than a stock one? Huge losses in selling a modified car :(

.::F[L]Y::.

17-04-2006, 03:21 PM

if i was in the market to purchase a turbo S id buy a stock S2K and oversee the turbo install from A-B just for that personal sense of ownership and satisfaction.

toE

17-04-2006, 03:48 PM

This has gotten off track again.
Sigh.

stevharr

17-04-2006, 05:05 PM

u wanna sell, im looking for a turbo s2000 atm, rather not do it myself :P
pm me!
To borrow a phrase from AusS2000's letter to Motor Mag:

I'll part with it when they pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel"
:)

Ahmad

17-04-2006, 07:08 PM

^^^ nice work

i am waiting for pics and videos ! :P

AusS2000

17-04-2006, 07:31 PM

To borrow a phrase from AusS2000's letter to Motor Mag:

I'll part with it when they pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel"
:)

:thumbsup:

Weq, if you do want to turbo an S2000 let me know and I'll save you lots of time and money.

stevharr

17-04-2006, 07:44 PM

:thumbsup:

Weq, if you do want to turbo an S2000 let me know and I'll save you lots of time and money.

Listen to this man's advice, he was too late to help me :( Although everything turned out ok in the end.

stevharr

18-04-2006, 10:11 PM

can we have some pics and videos please:cool:

I will endeavour to fulfill your request this weekend, although I'm not sure what you'd like to see. Well the car obviously :honda: , but specifically?

Ahmad

18-04-2006, 10:46 PM

pictures of the car before and after...
engine bay before and after...
a video of the sound of it...
a picture of it going like no tomorry, on private property of course :P

hondaboy

19-04-2006, 11:42 AM

Ahmad's on the money!

amelia

19-04-2006, 12:24 PM

this will be interesting as im hopefully getting one for my s2k.

AusS2000

19-04-2006, 05:19 PM

If you want a complete write up on a turbo install with pics and links click here:

Blow Me! (http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=303328)

Weq

25-04-2006, 04:53 PM

:thumbsup:

Weq, if you do want to turbo an S2000 let me know and I'll save you lots of time and money.

I will be. just researching now. You are more then welcome to PM me any ideas ;)

Weq

25-04-2006, 04:54 PM

Y::.']if i was in the market to purchase a turbo S id buy a stock S2K and oversee the turbo install from A-B just for that personal sense of ownership and satisfaction.

'Oversee'. Like everything i do, it will be DIY. But i will defaintly use higher quality parts and no experimenting this time like i did on the civic :)

AusS2000

25-04-2006, 05:38 PM

I had an idea for a jet powered bar stool.

Perhaps you could start a thread saying what it is you are trying to achieve and what issues you have and I'll see if I can't answer the odd question.

VTECD

18-05-2006, 10:22 PM

have a thorough read of this BEFORE YOU TURBOCHARGE
http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=120&i=5155

AusS2000

18-05-2006, 10:42 PM

Why?

Anyone who has an S2000 already knows that first hand.

ludecrs

20-05-2006, 10:12 PM

GreddyKit on Ebay US $800US with all the goodies & will ship internationally:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-S2K-S2000-GREDDY-TURBO-KIT_W0QQitemZ8067179910QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

AusS2000

23-05-2006, 09:33 AM

Awesome! Except that manifold won't fit an S2000. I believe it is a B18 manifold.

This kit has been posted previously and I expect is a scam.

AusS2000

23-05-2006, 09:35 AM

Oh, and Greddy don't make a kit for the S2000.

bored

24-05-2006, 02:48 PM

yea turbo it

AusS2000

28-05-2006, 07:50 AM

blusir2

28-05-2006, 02:16 PM

You're a bit late to the party. Steve has bought the kit, gone through the saga of having it modified to fit, driven it, and been so shocked by the performance he had to head off to England for a holiday.

yeh thats true and it was a biatch to get it working but all's well that ends well... better to get a kit that is actually for the ozzie version.. the pipes were the wrong way around and the turbo sat too low... but its all good now due to the excellent work from TODA Racing Australia.. sorry free plug there..

hope ur having fun Steve.. I told u that u wouldnt regret coming to us.. I also appreciate you taking my advice and coming all the way to Ingleburn and letting us do the honours...

Jason
TODA Racing Australia

stevharr

29-05-2006, 03:31 PM

You're a bit late to the party. Steve has bought the kit, gone through the saga of having it modified to fit, driven it, and been so shocked by the performance he had to head off to England for a holiday.
I'm finally back five weeks on. All I could think about while I was lying on the beach in Belize was getting back and driving the S again. I did take some pictures and some MPEGS but I couldn't get them to upload to the website before I had to fly to Blighty. So I'll see if I have better luck this time.

stevharr

29-05-2006, 03:44 PM

yeh thats true and it was a biatch to get it working but all's well that ends well... better to get a kit that is actually for the ozzie version.. the pipes were the wrong way around and the turbo sat too low... but its all good now due to the excellent work from TODA Racing Australia.. sorry free plug there..

hope ur having fun Steve.. I told u that u wouldnt regret coming to us.. I also appreciate you taking my advice and coming all the way to Ingleburn and letting us do the honours...

Jason
TODA Racing Australia

Yes, I am very pleased with the results of Adrian and his team's work. Although the stock exhaust system is limiting the power, the improvement in performance is still awesome.
I quite like the fact that keeping the stock exhaust means that the car looks and sounds like a stock S until it goes into boost, which means i can drive around Sydney without attracting attention from Nissan street racers or the Cops. It also means that another 30kw is available just by changing some piping.

blusir2

30-05-2006, 07:34 PM

Yes, I am very pleased with the results of Adrian and his team's work. Although the stock exhaust system is limiting the power, the improvement in performance is still awesome.
I quite like the fact that keeping the stock exhaust means that the car looks and sounds like a stock S until it goes into boost, which means i can drive around Sydney without attracting attention from Nissan street racers or the Cops. It also means that another 30kw is available just by changing some piping.

hahaha.. yeh i know how u feel Steve.. its called S2K withdrawl symtoms.. i start gettin them after i park the car... hahaha

well as i have said on the exhaust thread the stock exhaust system is very very good for a stock car.. mandrel bent and stainless steel.. all u need is a 3 inch straight pipe into 2 twin 60mms and u'll be laughin.. but then again u will be crying when u get booked for noise pollution.. hahaha

have fun and take care of her... she is a beauty...

ciao

Jason
TODA Racing Australia

stevharr

31-05-2006, 09:50 AM

ha all u need is a 3 inch straight pipe into 2 twin 60mms and u'll be laughin

I emailed Adrian for a quote to upgrade the exhaust system and retune yesterday.

AusS2000

31-05-2006, 10:01 AM

LOL, that didn't take long.

stevharr

31-05-2006, 10:08 AM

LOL, that didn't take long.

:o Although I'm going to need to get better tyres before I even think about more power, I can't stop the damn things spinning in first and second

AusS2000

31-05-2006, 10:18 AM

Maybe a lighter right shoe?

stevharr

31-05-2006, 10:25 AM

Maybe a lighter right shoe?
LOL what are trying to say Wayne? :p

stevharr

31-05-2006, 10:56 AM

LOL what are trying to say Wayne? :p

Seriously though, a Turbocharged S is a sheer joy to drive. There is no longer that slow winding up off of the line while you wait for 6200 rpm, the turbo starts to work as soon as you hit the gas (hard). Although my turbo isn't at full boost until about 4900 you can hear and feel it start to pull almost instantly.
When caning it I'm generally changing gear at 7-8000 rpm because above that the engine chokes and the power dips because of the stock exhaust.

Everyday driving is exactly as it was before, so unless I told you the car was boosted you would never be able to tell. Fuel economy hasn't really changed, when driving around town. Driving to work I don't go into full boost any more often than I did VTEC. Boost is for the track, driving along scenic empty roads and any other time that takes my fancy.
It's there if I want it, and that's what I like.

AusS2000

31-05-2006, 11:08 AM

Just for comparison (and to nudge Steve to the next step) I'm full boost by 3500 and power climbs all the way to redline. This would be mostly because of the free flowing exhaust but also partly because of the ball bearing turbo.

My car doesn't feel stock anymore. I generally use a gear higher because the torque deficit is totally gone. Just feels like a bigger engine.

Fuel economy is directly dependent on the right clog. If I drive sensibly I get fairly stock mileage, but that is seldom the case. If i put my foot down I use fuel like it was 1980s price.

stevharr

31-05-2006, 12:01 PM

Fuel economy is directly dependent on the right clog. If I drive sensibly I get fairly stock mileage, but that is seldom the case.

Ok I admit it, as soon as I get three bars on the temperature guage I'm in boost every opportunity I get !! :D

blusir2

31-05-2006, 01:09 PM

damn u guys.. now u make me wanna turbo my S2K too... aaarrrggghhh....

stevharr

31-05-2006, 01:15 PM

damn u guys.. now u make me wanna turbo my S2K too... aaarrrggghhh....

LOL. You wouldn't regret it trust me.. and you can always reverse the process if you wanna sell it stock. I don't know why I didn't do it years ago.

blusir2

31-05-2006, 01:30 PM

yeh i know.. especially for me.. it would be easy.. turbo it and make it about 450 horses is more than enough for me..

its good to hear that ur liking ur car.. makes us at TODA proud...

thanx mate...

AusS2000

31-05-2006, 02:10 PM

I got the boost control working on mine too. So I'm up about 9psi now

stevharr

31-05-2006, 02:20 PM

Here are some pictures of the finished article

http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/images/stevharr/newyear050002.JPG
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/images/stevharr/newyear050005.JPG
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/images/stevharr/newyear050003.JPG
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/images/stevharr/newyear050006.JPG
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/images/stevharr/newyear050007.JPG
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/images/stevharr/newyear050004.JPG

Goble

31-05-2006, 02:47 PM

just remember if ur going 2 do it, do it properly

AusS2000

31-05-2006, 02:53 PM

Ummm, OK.

stevharr

04-06-2006, 01:17 PM

Whoever said that N/A is far sexier than turbo obviously hasn't driven a turbo'd S before. I drove AusS2000's turbobeast this morning (with him cowering in the passenger seat) and the thing is DANGEROUS! I'm now definately going the next step and fitting a free flowing exhaust system and retuning.

AusS2000

04-06-2006, 06:55 PM

Going back to the original question all I can say is that the nicest people turbocharge their S2000s. :)

stevharr

05-06-2006, 08:59 AM

Going back to the original question all I can say is that the nicest people turbocharge their S2000s. :)

And they have the hottest mustard on the planet!! Sorry private joke there. On another matter, we're thinking about a run up to the Hunter in the not too distant future, so we can boost our egos by leaving you stock S2000 boys in a cloud of tyre smoke :cool: Anyone interested?