separating block from tranny

[krasyvy]

guys i unbolted the five bolts which wyn was talking about in this tutorial and i disconnect the mounts on the riight hand side of the engine bay i disconnected all other wires and dropped the engine down (wanting to slide it out underneath the car)

it still wont budge tho, it's sitting there attached to the tranny with no mounts holding it in...

is there something i've forgotten?


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[bennjamin]

did you take the rear midshaft off ? (3 bolts hold the midshaft onto the block , and thus hold the spline into the diff housing)~ that might be holding hte block still.
Check under for a few flywheel cover bolts , and 2 x lower block/gb bolts too.
Did you take the 19mm rear bolts out ? (near the rear mount)
Also , is the front and upper gearbox mounts totally removed or just loose ? the weight of the block and GB will hold the rubber mounts at funny angles - preventing the gb or engine from moving sometimes...

good luck and triple check everything.

[krasyvy]

hmm u speak of a lot of things which are confusing me atm...do u have any pics on hand?

i dont know where these bolts u are talking about are but i will take another look...

i've added some pics not sure if they help

[Weq]

its pretty easy.

i dont know why im helping you, after ben answered all your questions, and u never seem to listen to anyone else.................................... but i have 2 tips.

a) one of the bolts which hold in the starter motor, goes right through to the block
b) download the workshop manual listed many times on this site.

[ECU-MAN]

hahaha

dont forget to remove the starter motor, that has a bolt that goes through to the block as well

[bennjamin]

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=500/2719IMG_1865.jpg

17mm bolt just below the thermostat... and take out the starter motor ( 2 14mm bolts i think ?!) and you should be close to taking that gb off.

[tinkerbell]

it will also help removing the black bracket off the back too, as well as already mentioned; the starter motor and bolt below the thermostat

[ECU-MAN]

dont forget to undo the clutch slave cyl as well

[krasyvy]

its pretty easy.

i dont know why im helping you, after ben answered all your questions, and u never seem to listen to anyone else.................................... but i have 2 tips.

a) one of the bolts which hold in the starter motor, goes right through to the block
b) download the workshop manual listed many times on this site.


thanks for the tips i will try it


However, I dont know why those comments are necessary or constructive.

[krasyvy]

dont forget to undo the clutch slave cyl as well

why is this necessary when removing the engine block and not the tranny?

[tinkerbell]

seriously what on earth are you trying to do?

why are you going to so much trouble when you could have pulled the whole engine/drivetrain out in one go - then pulled it appart?

[tinkerbell]

and dropped the engine down (wanting to slide it out underneath the car)


whoooah!

are you serious?

[krasyvy]

yes

similar to this

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11970&page=2&pp=12

[tinkerbell]

yes, well, you will notice that they did the WHOLE egine and drivetrain,

not just the block?

there is a reason for this.

[krasyvy]

oh ok well i did some reading over here too

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29003&page=2&pp=20

but ur probably right, i may just take out the whole thing

[krasyvy]

but then again i only have one more bolt on the starter to remove then i should be able to separate the block from the tranny....


i'll see how it goes i guess...

[tinkerbell]

yes, but how are you going to do that with the gearbox input shaft inside the clutch, wich is attached to the flywheel which is attached to the engine????

by brute force by the sound of it? are you planning on reusing the clutch?

[krasyvy]

yeh ur right

i think what i might do then is hoist the engine block up and have the tranny connected to the block....

the tranny would then be pointing upwards and then i will remove the bolts and slide the engine off the ISB that way...

hoist aint coming for a few days so do you think that would work?

i think thats what the guy from d-series did...

[tinkerbell]

just bolt the engine back to the gearbox fully and wait for the hoist.

that way you wont break anything!

[bennjamin]

i hope the gearbox/engine is supported from underneath or above via a engine crane !

IF you somehow manage to get that block and GB out ( somehow i think it will take some time for you) they do weight quite alot and will crush limbs and fingers...BE CAREFUL

[krasyvy]

just bolt the engine back to the gearbox fully and wait for the hoist.

that way you wont break anything!


good idea thanks
with the hoist it will be easier to remove the engine from the tranny right?

[tinkerbell]

you should remove the engine and tranny at the same time and seperate them out of the engine bay!

you seem to want to leave the tranny inthe engine bay?

why!?!?!

[krasyvy]

well, from the guys i've spoken to on here, i get a varied opinion as to wether it would be easier to leave the tranny in place or remove it...

that's the only reason i'm indecisive as to leave it in or remove it

[tinkerbell]

well, there is no reason i know to bother with all the trouble of leaving the tranny in place...

EXCEPT to avoid removing the bitch-pin holding the shifter rod in place...

[bennjamin]

well, there is no reason i know to bother with all the trouble of leaving the tranny in place...

EXCEPT to avoid removing the bitch-pin holding the shifter rod in place...

Agree totally ~ you either "drop the tranny" or remove the engine engine + tranny in one hit.

Anyways , the split-pin thing at the shift linkage is easy with a rounded-headed hammer and a 8mm flathead nail punch ~ 3 or 4 whacks and it pops out (and straight into your mouth or nose lol)

[krasyvy]

by 'drop the tranny' do you mean remove the mounts dropping it to the floor and then sliding the block off the isb?

would this also require removing the shift linkage and axles?

[tinkerbell]

Why Are You Doing Any Of This?

What Is Your Purpose?

[bennjamin]

by 'drop the tranny' do you mean remove the mounts dropping it to the floor and then sliding the block off the isb?

would this also require removing the shift linkage and axles?

You need to properly understand terminology and the location of all parts/joints before attempting this or any mech. job methinks ~
the "ISB" is located inside the gearbox".
What i refer to , is removing the gearbox ONLY. (to change the clutch/flywheel or repair gearbox)
Vauge summary is -
Drain MTF , remove both driveshafts/midshaft , disconnect shift linkage , remove intake arm/clutch lines to gearbox/starter motor , support gearbox/engine below and remove all 17mm bolts holding the gearbox to the block and drivers side mount and front gearbox mount , remove rear engine mount ~ a few more little things and the gearbox should slowly slide off the input shaft. Support its weight OFF the Input shaft and clutch disc/pressure plate to avoid damage... really mate you coudl of followed the write up Wynode and myself did in teh DIY section and not have too much trouble ~

[tinkerbell]

i really need to know what he is trying to do before i can help anymore...

[krasyvy]

to remove the block...

then bolt new block to existing tranny

[krasyvy]

i think i might stop asking questions now before i get flamed/laughed at anymore...


thanks for the tips guys, i will do my best to work this out myself or gain assistance from others directly

[saxman]

pull out the whole drivetrain, and seperate the tranny when it's not under the car

[bennjamin]

Why did you remove the head etc ? It would of made alot more sense to leave the entire engine bay "as is" ~ then remove all connecting parts to teh block and GB , support the load and remove the lot with a hoist. Drop it outside , support it and then remove the gearbox seperately off the engine. Bolt the gb up to the new engine , then hoist up again and re-install, support the load and reattach everything int he opposite order.

[Steer^Gimic]

mate your are definantly doing it the hard way. i just finished dropping an engine and seperating the gb from the block for the first time, and that was hard enough OUTSIDE the car. dont bother, much easier to remove all together

[Weq]

im pulling the engine from underheath also. Its quite easy to clear with 2 jacks and stands. pull the gearbox off when its out. U got plenty 2 do before that beargox OR entire comes off though, i can see a few key area's u have missed.

[ECU-MAN]

I actuallly thought you where removing the Gearbox and leaving the block in, thats whay I said remove the Clutch Slave.

I would remove both block and GB, but thats just My Opinion.