HID bulb question

[Blk-Em1]

hey guys any of you know much about HID systems? just wondering whether if i could source a set of BMW standard HID's which have the bulb d2s could i rewire them so that instead of using the d2s bulb i use i h4 or other type of bulb? thankS!

[bungsai]

probably not, since h4 is a hi low bulb.

just get an aftermarket plug and play set. Much easier.

[iceman91]

how much would a good plug and play set cost??
are they complete kits with ballasts and wiring harness or ..?

[edw-R]

I am a trader in ozhonda. I have a hid kit for sale.

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

yeh he's got them for $320 a set you wouldnt pay much less even on ebay..

[bungsai]

Thats a good price if it isnt made in China.
I've heard good things about garage and kaixen ,for cheaper yet quality stuff.

Try that, comes with everything u need.

Cheers

Matt

[civiceg9]

China and Taiwan kits for around $300 now.
Japan and German stuff $600+

[saxman]

please tell me you're retrofitting a projector and not just trying to use hid bulbs

[bungsai]

saxman, thats a rare occurance here in aus.

on crsx everyone seems to be doing retrofits, but here in aus, no one really gives a crap, they just angle their headlights to the ground.

[saxman]

it's just a stupid thing to do, period

you end up blinding everyone, getting poor light distribution, screaming to the police "I've illegally modified my headlights", etc

all for what?

somebody please give me some good reason to install hid's without projectors

keep in mind, they're designed to be used in projectors, and your headlights are designed for halogens that are meant to be used in a refraction type headlight

and no, this doesn't mean go out and buy some cheap apc projector headlights meant for your h4 and throw an hid bulb in there



maybe I'm just bitter from the horrible headache I got from the accord that was following me the other night with hid's without projectors

[bungsai]

well Hid's dont mean projectors, theres a few luxus's with HID's and a refractor headlight.

I find that on my friends 180sx he has his headlights angled to the ground glare is minimal. Cop attention is almost zero as 6000k isnt that blue. IMO the most blinding cars on the roads are Accord Euros with stock HID's. :P

1 good reason is to get more light, albeit at the cost of potentially blinding oncoming traffic and being pulled over by the police.

[saxman]

well Hid's dont mean projectors, theres a few luxus's with HID's and a refractor headlight.
yes, but it is a refractor headlight designed for the proper dispersion of an hid light



I find that on my friends 180sx he has his headlights angled to the ground glare is minimal. Cop attention is almost zero as 6000k isnt that blue. IMO the most blinding cars on the roads are Accord Euros with stock HID's. :P

1 good reason is to get more light, albeit at the cost of potentially blinding oncoming traffic and being pulled over by the police.
getting more light is great and all, but by the time you're done pointing them down at the ground so you don't blind everyone, you're kinda defeating the purpose

[redliner]

i been using HID for almost 2yrs and not a single problem or any1 high beaming me back.

[bungsai]

yes, but it is a refractor headlight designed for the proper dispersion of an hid light


getting more light is great and all, but by the time you're done pointing them down at the ground so you don't blind everyone, you're kinda defeating the purpose

not true, i think that what i value most about my HID's is the intencity of the light output, rather than the lit area.

[saxman]

not true, i think that what i value most about my HID's is the intencity of the light output, rather than the lit area.
I guess you don't really know what you're missing until you do it right and can actually compare to a properly set up system

[Blk-Em1]

thanks for hijacking the thread guys you havent seemed to ansswer my question

[jamchen]

to blk-Em1:
yes its acheiveable if you have spare up to at least 650! the OEM bimmer HID is really expensive.. and the other thing will be that since the bulbs are D2S so u have to retrofit your headlight socket so u can actually plug the bulbs into the headlight housing... so my advice is to buy an aftermarket product and save on the hassles...

sazman:
sorry to argue with you but there are many cars with factory HID and with reflector housings.. eg legend, R34 GTR, citrons, chaser , GS300 etc. so it doesn't mean that reflectors are all bad for HIDs...
and yes its the set up that is important to eliminate the glares.. when u have chance look at cars w/ reflector and OEM HID, you will see a little piece of metal sitting on bottom of the headlight housing ( near the socket).. its there to prevent excessive galrings to other ppl... and its very easy DIY job and i've done it to my car and i've never been high beamed...

[civiceg9]

do a search on Ozhonda, there are OEM cars out there not using projectors, they have a reflector shield so that it does not glare onto the on coming traffic.

Some HID kits do come with a shield so that it does not glare all over the place.
also the Lens with patterns are a problem with glare on the older cars.

Yes you can retro fit OEM HID onto anycar, but it requires a big effort to make the bulb stay in place. It more easier just to get an HID kit with the correct bulb size and then you can just plug it in without moding anything.

[Boost]

Blk-em1 PM if your interested.

Regarding what the others have said. I would argree with Saxman. Alot of people in Aus. dont know much about HIDs. Its all about looks over here.. all rice.
HIDs are meant to improve your vision on road by lighting up the road ahead without blinding on coming traffic. Here in Oz people chuck HIDs in what ever car they like whether its a projector or reflector no one gives a dam, its all about the rice factor.

[redliner]

dont forgot not everyone can afford retrofitting say $350 for HID kit + Projector from BMW, S2k, etc... $400-500 + Buying another set of headlights just incase u f#ck up your orginal one (depends on car model) $200-800 + other parts $20-$100... man i cant b bother adding that up. Now i know why people sells their Prelude 97+ retrofitted HID for like around $1000+

[bungsai]

I guess you don't really know what you're missing until you do it right and can actually compare to a properly set up system

personally i have a dc2, with projectors, however made for halogen bulbs. Glare is minimal, and the cutoff line is very very similar to my friends s2k. Whilst driving along the road his lights are slightly brighter due to the different kelvin and lumens ratings.

Yes where a reflector houses a HID bulb you do miss out on alot and do not maximize the capabilities of HID's, however the benefits of having a much more intense light still make HID's a worthwhile upgrade. However keep in mind that a properly set up system does not only consist of a projector retrofit. Keep in mind the mandatory washers and auto alignment system.

I honestly find that accord Euro's are the most blinding car out there on the road, along withe BMW x5's and Lexus 4wd's. These are all HID equipped from the factory. Personally i get blinded by more Euro's than aftermarket hid equipped cars.

to the original poster, i answered in my first post,

what im trying to say is that the d2s bmw bulb will only be lowbeam, thus if you put that into ure headlights you will miss out on having a high beam, which i can see being a problem, especially since as we have highlighted in this thread you would need to sufficiently modify and angle you're headlight housings to minimize glare for oncoming traffic.

see this bulb here,

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1294

blk em1 - if u are going to get a hid kit, make sure you get a hi/lo motorized bulb. Safer and better quality.

i agree with redliner in that the cost would be prohibitive to many, however the safety of other should generally be put ahead of $$$. THat said idont believe hid's in cars with reflector housings are necessarily a danger to other road users.

boost - i agree and disagree with you, yes there are many uneducated people here in australia that just chuck hid's in anything, however to generalize that it is all 'rice' isnt really fair. I dont think putting brighter headlights in you're car to improve night vision is rice. Putting 12000k bulbs in maybe...

[Blk-Em1]

Thanks for the replies guys..

I already got HID hi/lo for the civic and they are nice and dont glare thats because they are a reputable brand. BJ union. but i was going to get a hold of some bmw HIDs from my friend so i wanted to see if i could fit them onto a jazz. could i just buy new H4 hid bulbs and hook them up to the bmw ballast and ignitor or will i have to get new wires. this is my main question that i am asking. thanks!

[bungsai]

i think you could probably do this though im not sure what the bmw ignitors and ballasts are like. Im guessing you just need to hook up the positive and negatives, could be as professional or as dodgy (duct tape) as u want. Remember you will need a relay as the bulbs ignitors probably wont know how to control the motor on the bulb.

im not sure if it worth the hassle to do.

[Blk-Em1]

cool thanks for the reply if i have the H4 in there i wont bother with high beams its HID anyways