B16 Turbo'd

[LowEk]

hey ive been looking round honda-tech and talking to people from OzHonda with turbo B series in general and they seam to make good power in stock form with just a good turbo e.g. (QUOTE from honda-tech) I had one of the cheap SSAC 57 trim turbos on my car last summer.. Stock b16 tuned with uberdata and i made 241whp and 167 ft/lbs... (CLOSE QUOTE) what are these SSAC turbos i hear about i hear they are crap not worth spending the money on?? i cant belive the power they make in stock form. i know they would be running the obious i.e. injectors,pump maybe,fuel pressure reg,FMIC,exuast and air filter just seams weird to make that much power in stock form. just intrested in your thoughts.

Rgds,
Troy

[saxman]

SSAC is a company that makes by far the shittiest products ever. There's no reason you couldn't make that kind of power with any other comparable trimmed turbo. 167ft lbs is actually quite low. I've set up a few b16 turbos running about that much hp with 30 more ft lbs or so, on stock internals, with some room to go.

[LowEk]

SSAC is a company that makes by far the shittiest products ever.


so its like Autotechnica "TRYING" to make turbo's??

[superR]

bro dun bother wif that shit.....get some quality garrett gear or HKS if you got the cash. I know that the cheap prices but your better off gettin quility gear.

[LowEk]

yeah i would only get good quality gear anyway just wondering what they were.

[superR]

well i looked in to it before i brought all my stuf......a place called too fast too furious performance was trying to sell it too me , it was a full kit inc cooler , turbo , pipes and manifold ect. he only was charging $2000 for it , cheap as chips but i looked it up on other forums asnd saw all the touble other people were having with seized turbos wheels , blown seals and worst of all blown engine due to boost creep by the shitty waistgate.
just look it up in a search engine and youll see what i mean.... ssac also go by xs-power and some othere names as well. doooodgey!

[LowEk]

yeh im not looking for a kit at all. i have some conections thats what happens when you work in the indrustry.

[saxman]

ssac also go by xs-power and some othere names as well. doooodgey!
SS Autochrome
XS-power
Stone Mountain Racing
OBX(at least for the turbo manifolds)

basically if it includes an exhaust manifold that is shaped like this
http://www.trendgear.net/auto/88-00_civic_D-series_turbo_manifold_obx_H10104.jpg


stay FAR FAR away

[LowEk]

yeh dun worry i will i think ill get a custom manifold made maybe like this.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/12secblkhatch/Pic4385.jpg

[jimmeh]

yeh dun worry i will i think ill get a custom manifold made maybe like this.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/12secblkhatch/Pic4385.jpg

those are pretty expensive they are around the 800+ mark

[LowEk]

yeh so is any custom made manifold. otherwise i can get a mate to make a stempipe manifold up for nothing he has made one for his car its a good manifold not log type.

[LVNIT]

Not saying any of their other products are good, however, I have had excellent results using their tial style wastegate :)

[saxman]

Not saying any of their other products are good, however, I have had excellent results using their tial style wastegate :)
give it some time


you may have been the fluke that got a decent one, but there have been TONS of problems with them

[LVNIT]

I know of another dozen individuals using the same wastegate as I am using, not one of them has had a problem.

Lets not turn this into another SSAC debate, 99% of what they make is absolute crap, but this wastegate has been working for me and others :)

[LowEk]

yeh if i go to an external gate ill prolly use a turbosmart ultra-gate 38 as with the ECU ill more than likly use a microtech ecu.

[LVNIT]

You can also get genuine Garrett T3/T4 (in different sizes) turbo chargers off honda-tech, brand new for around the US$500 mark.

[saxman]

yeh if i go to an external gate ill prolly use a turbosmart ultra-gate 38 as with the ECU ill more than likly use a microtech ecu.
I personally would just go for a Tial. They work wonderfully and aren't overly expensive. I don't see any other reason to go any other way for an external gate.

[superR]

im sure if the waistgate was properly installed and running a resonable sprign it will be fine......maybe the springs that come witht he gate are crap or somthing like that.

[LowEk]

You can also get genuine Garrett T3/T4 (in different sizes) turbo chargers off honda-tech, brand new for around the US$500 mark.


yeh but by time you stuff about getting it here you may as well buy something here.how much are those tial gates?? and where can you get em from??

cheers.

[saxman]

im sure if the waistgate was properly installed and running a resonable sprign it will be fine......maybe the springs that come witht he gate are crap or somthing like that.
the diaphrams ont he ssac tial knock offs are known for ripping. Hardly an installation problem. They very rarely have the proper spring with them either, but that's more of a packagers stupidity than a product issue.

[LowEk]

so what would a real tial be worth?? or is there any other wastegate that you recommend?? i was thinking of getting a turbosmart gate 38.

[superR]

they are probably as good as eachother... as long as the are real

[LowEk]

yeh no point doing it cheap the first time only to relise that you have to do it properly the second time and spend more money on it again.

[saxman]

so what would a real tial be worth?? or is there any other wastegate that you recommend?? i was thinking of getting a turbosmart gate 38.
they're about US$220 out here

[LowEk]

yeh thats not to bad spose about the same as a turbomart gate.

[VTC-8OY]

SSAC.. listen to saxman, he's right! ive read about theyre products n bout 99% of the time i read, theyre bad feedbacks bout der shit..

[LowEk]

yeh i wouldn't buy that crap anyway.

[jdm16]

Maybe go with a manifold from Full-Race, Neukin, One-Fab, Love-Fab or what not. These are the proven manifolds from the US. They are all used by the Honda-Tech guys and work well. SS AutoChrome is being used by a mate from the Gold Coast and he's pushing pretty big power for a B16 however its a cheap alternative to the above brands. Probably best to spend the extra dollars first time around on a good manifold that wont cause problems in the long term. Check out www.full-race.com, or www.one-fab.com.

Turbo wise - there is a new one from Precision - the T3/T4R - was told by Alex from Neukin it is a really good and cheaper alternative than going to the GT-based models. They retail for $825US. Other than that, maybe get a GT3037, or another non-GT the T3/6769 - that will it will hold if you get internals & sleeving.

Wastegates - as stated by the rest - Tial would be the best. 38mm's are used by most, and would be a good start for any setup. Dont go Ebay for these - cos some are just copies. Buy from the US-forums.

Everyone has their own opinion on parts and brands but you could just direct yourself from whats worked with most people.

[LowEk]

thank you for that information jdm16 the reason i want the same manifold and i have last posted is because the US have proven these manifolds to make power.

as for a turbo where can i have a look for these turbos on the net that you have stated??
the reason im looking to the US is they have more then once proved that you can make good power form a B16.

[jdm16]

Um the T3/T4R is relatively new from what I've been told so I havent been able to get a full description. But they are on the Precision site - www.precisionturbo.net.

Or even you could get one locally from GCG. Luke (aka Hondaboy) is running a GT3040 from GCG in Sydney. Some would think it is too big but still his worked fine on a stock block (when he had a stock block). You could even go with a internally wastegated such as a GT28RS etc, but you miss out on the screamer from the dump tube. Another would be a GT40 but overkill by a long shot. As stated before GT3037, or SC61 from Precision are good too.

But one thing everyone would stress is the tune! Make sure to pick a right ECU as thats what produces the best power. Hondata, ProECU, Autronic, MoTeC, Microtech etc etc you've gotta search around and find out whats best for you. But once again everyone's opinions will vary so find out from the majority whats best and go from there.

[LowEk]

thanks for the info but im not too sure about what specs to get i roughly know what im looking at but not too sure would this be a good spec.
630* SC-6152E 61mm 2.416" 3.227" 56 3" / 2" 360 Race 0.63 T350 2.920" 2.420
or this
650 SC-6169E 61mm 2.416" 3.227" 56 3" / 2" 360 Race 0.63 T04 2.920" 2.420

im just not 100% sure.

cheers.