97 Vti-R vs The new Corolla Sportivo

[sui]

Anyone raced one before? how would a stock civic vti-r go against 141 kw corolla ?

[VTEC16]

From what iv heard its closer than you would think.....but id still but my money on the toy-boat-a (shudder)

[SiR]

My money's on the VTi-R, but it'd be a close one - a driver's race.

Yes, the Sportivo has some 141kW compared to the VTi-R's 118kW, but the Sportivo is quite a pork for it's size (over 1200kg the last time I read).

I'm just guessing here so it'd be great to hear from someone that has actually raced one!


SiR.

[ah789454]

i got one by a nose??

[SiR]

Details please!! :D

[McChook]

I gave one a whooping. If you try and drag one, try and catch the driver off guard. they have no torque, so exploit that.
If ya going to do it off the lights, you really want to have a perfect launch. They have a lot of top end, but nothing down low. With the civic, I recomend you really try to get the best launch possible, or it will eat you alive.

I destroyed one off the lights. The kid driving it was pissed. They don't handle all that great either.

They are much the same as a celica, but the celicas are much lighter, and quite difficult to drag off. I don't think a civic vtir wouldhave a lot of luck with a celica

I would have been the first person in Australia to try and drag one off last year. Before they were even released, in my old car (rover 416i) I had one at the lights. Thinking is was as stupid as a Camry Sportivo (no extra power), I revved it up. And got a nasty suprise. Next set of lights I ask what it is, and they says "nothing, just a standard corolla". After a few hours trying to find out what it was on the internet, I felt a whole lot better.

I bought my car around making sure I could drag of 'rolla sportivos. I figure they are going to be very popular, and take he stickers off, a bit of a sleeper

[Civic Type R]

i had it handed to me by a Rallyart Magna last year.
that sucked !

[[[d a n n y]]]

matt i doubt u'll b the first

[wynode]

Geez some strong claims.

But you'd have to take off the stickers as well as the factory kit to make it look stock.

[McChook]

Well, it was well before they were released. It was at Wooloware, which is where the toyota head office is in Sydney. If anyone knows the road, it is which a famous drag strip. I noticed the bodykit, but all corollas have that bodykit as a factory option... It had Victorian number plates, no dealer sticker. I went home to find out they were being released 6 weeks later. I contemplated buying one, but they are still a corolla. Not so great on the inside

As for ralliart magnas, forget it. I attempte to drag one last week, but damn, they have some serious go.

[sui]

i have got one of the hot4s mags here it claims that corolla sportive does 0 -400m in 16.1 secs?? what does stock civic do down the qtr?

[fozee]

I dont mind the look of the new Ralliart Magnas.... they have loads of torque

[A'PEXi]

yeh considering the rolla sportivo has a larger engine capactiy, although yes it is heavier.... even drivers, i think the rolla mite get out front...

[[[d a n n y]]]

i have got one of the hot4s mags here it claims that corolla sportive does 0 -400m in 16.1 secs?? what does stock civic do down the qtr?

mid to high 15's? i think

[MrPlow]

when the new clutch goes in the plow, i will be on the prowl for a rolla sportivo...

then i get back to ya :D

[Kit]

I gave one a whooping. If you try and drag one, try and catch the driver off guard. they have no torque, so exploit that.
If ya going to do it off the lights, you really want to have a perfect launch. They have a lot of top end, but nothing down low. With the civic, I recomend you really try to get the best launch possible, or it will eat you alive.

I destroyed one off the lights. The kid driving it was pissed. They don't handle all that great either.

They are much the same as a celica, but the celicas are much lighter, and quite difficult to drag off. I don't think a civic vtir wouldhave a lot of luck with a celica

I would have been the first person in Australia to try and drag one off last year. Before they were even released, in my old car (rover 416i) I had one at the lights. Thinking is was as stupid as a Camry Sportivo (no extra power), I revved it up. And got a nasty suprise. Next set of lights I ask what it is, and they says "nothing, just a standard corolla". After a few hours trying to find out what it was on the internet, I felt a whole lot better.

I bought my car around making sure I could drag of 'rolla sportivos. I figure they are going to be very popular, and take he stickers off, a bit of a sleeper

McChook,
dont you have a Prelude VTi-R?
thats the same power as a corolla sportivo, and a truckload more torque!

[McChook]

Yep, exactly.. and they weigh about the same...

[wynode]

So that would mean a GSi could beat one too? hehehehe j/ks

[McChook]

So that would mean a GSi could beat one too? hehehehe j/ks
GRRRRRR

maybe

[Civic Type R]

16.2 from the VTiR stock

[sui]

16.2 from the VTiR stock

is that what you time is or what it says on the paper?

[civiceg9]

I know a ITR can kick a rolla arse 8)
Vti-R I think is a match.
I had a go in the rolla before, gearing is really tall. drops out of the VVT point everytime u change gear. :?
and I can't feel the VVT coming in at all :|

[Civic Type R]

16.2 from the VTiR stock

is that what you time is or what it says on the paper?
both.
I ran a 1/4 test last year of a stock VTir hatch.
every run was 16.22 - 16.27 on full street trim

[genesis]

15.6 for me ;)

[Civic Type R]

bastard.

[Spoon-Accord]

i'd give them a squirt..
:D

see if they eat me alive P~~

Hehehe.. Honda power guys..
no need to be scared of VTEC imo's
muahahahaha

Ken

[OLM-02R]

stock vtir 1/4 mile around mid to high 15s... :D

[genesis]

Once i install my new clutch and flywheel i think i will be in the high 14s

[saboteur]

15.6 for me ;)

Is this after or before you got that new intake?

[fusion_VTi]

i'd put my money on the corolla ;)

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

I've got a 2003 Corolla Sportivo. Completely stock.

I'll take on a stock Civic Coupe VTi-R and prelude anyday.

My friend has a VTi-R coupe with exhaust+hanny's treatment.

all i can say is....it's not a hard beat.

[Javed]

My money is also on the 'Rolla, if the same conditions were had same driver ability etc, the corolla would win.

[fusion_VTi]

it's almost like comparing a vtir civic to a type r integra, they both have around the same power and weight so my $ is on the rolla

[pornstar]

ive raced a few celicas and corollas, they are worthy of taking my grandma shopping, but then again, im not stock :)

[kimbi]

my sis raced a sportivo corolla in my civic ;) and we won - both with two passengers (and yes the rolla driver was giving it too), three times along one road, kimbis civic=II corolla=0 red light at the last second=I. heheh.

[ian]

I was actually at the Toyota dealers yesterday looking for an MR2 and I noticed the Corolla sportivo. The 141kw of power took my breath away and so I asked about the performance............0-100km. The dealer quoted, according to the specs it did it in 8.8secs........i was dissappointed.

I've read reviews on the civic vtir coupe and they've quoted 7.8secs 0-100km.

I guess I've just got to look for a 'rolla and proove those figures........hehehe.........how about it Sport?!

[mo]

I've got a 2003 Corolla Sportivo. Completely stock.

I'll take on a stock Civic Coupe VTi-R and prelude anyday.

My friend has a VTi-R coupe with exhaust+hanny's treatment.

all i can say is....it's not a hard beat.

Hahaha this guy looks like he signed up just for this thread lol

[A'PEXi]

well you are comparing a car which has "more power".... but i do think that the vtir has a chance :D

[justinfox]

Guys, if you really want to beat people off the start. Buy a 2nd hand, cheap Skyline GT-R.

I have one... it's not a great daily driver as it guzzles up a lot of fuel... but damn it's fast. I just bought a Civic for a daily driver but when I go to sleep I dream in Skyline. Never did like the idea of turbo cars until I bought it. Don't diss one until you have driven one. It's a beast in the true sense of the word. I overtook 2 Porsches (911 + Boxter) and an M3 all at the same time on the straight at Eastern Creek early this month and hit 220km/hr before the left sweeper at the end of the straight and that was "taking it easy".

:) Turbo's are cheating? Well then cheating's good! Especially when you have a twin turbo RB26! :)

[McChook]

I know this is the civic section, but if any foo with a Sportivo or celica wants to "show me what they got", any modification, they are more than welcome to let me know.....

[Civ_97]

I know this is the civic section, but if any foo with a Sportivo or celica wants to "show me what they got", any modification, they are more than welcome to let me know.....

hahahahaha go get em sport ;) do us all proud :D

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

i'm stock, so to make it fair, you should be stock to.

all i'm saying is...keep an open mind with these things.

imagine all the mods done to a civic vti-r are also done to the sportivo.

who'd win?

I will admit, a stock sportivo will get beatin by a stock type r....only by a bit.

No use having a skyline GTR and racing a non-turbo supra or honda s2000. it's just not a ffair comparison.

Gotta keep it realistic. Why should i race a worked vti-r when my car isn't worked either? shouldn't both cars be worked to make it fair?

McChook: what's done to your prelude?

[totti]

I will admit, a stock sportivo will get beatin by a stock type r....only by a bit.

you obviously havent raced an ITR, i do recommend you try it, then tell me how you only lost by a bit :roll:

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

had a cruise with a fair few DC5 and a few DC2's down the old pacific highway.

then we pulled over and made sure the road was clear.

then we did quite a few runs down the highway. almost topping out 4th gear in both cars.

there was a stock dc5 and a stock sportivo. the sportivo lost, but not by much.

the front of the sportivo was at the rear of the dc5.

i should have video taped it, but for legal purposes...i didn't.

then...we had another sportivo there..but with a unichip. beat the dc5. just.

i'm not saying the dc5 and civic coupe vti-r is slow. all i'm saying is that, you gotta give some respect to other cars out there.

look at the new 206 GTI 180. That's a quick car! 0-100 mid - high 7's. Stock!

Honda's are great cars, don't get me wrong, but there are other cars out there too, and i know you guys don't want to admit it, but can beat honda's too. (eg: sportivo stock vs vti-r stock). don't go stupid with saying that a worked dc5 will absolutely smash a sportivo (well, are they both worked? or is the sportivo stock? details like this matter.)

[mo]

But a DC5 is only 118kw !! HAHA

[**Ghost**]

hahaha if u live in melbourne man i'll take u on neday... an di drive a STOCK ek4... come see me before i put in the bolt ons i bought...

BUt, not saying i'll win man, just wanna see...

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

what i meant was....the new Integra Type-R.

Sorry, don't know all the honda models.

isn't the DC2 the old integra and the dc5 the new integra?

[mo]

Yea they are...But you mean the DC5R :)

Anyways I dunno...I was in the same situation as you with a friend's sportivo (I was just behind him)...and if you know what car I have, you would be thinking wtf considering the car is nearly twice the power of mine...LOL....my friend also said he was giving it as well!! So I'm not sure...maybe he was bullshitting me or not.

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

ah! the DC5R. ah, i get it.

so, the DC5 is the non type-r, right?

my friend has a vti-r coupe (nice car!) and we always drag when we can. every time we've raced, i've won.

[mo]

Yea DC5 is non type-r :)

Cool...Civic vti-r is somewhat 30 more kilowatts then I do...hahah

edit: We did a rolling run...He was 3/4 of his car in front of all the way

[**Ghost**]

i've sat in the corrolla sportivo... apparently its got few things againstit

1.weight, pretyt heavy i heard, neone wanna confirm|

2. VVTI-L, only comes in 6000rpm + and only lasts for 2000 rpm i think... compare htis to a b16a, vtec at 5500 all the way to 8500, got a bit more rev range in the wild cam...

3. gearing, apparently every gear change puts u way below the shift point..

i dunno man i know its a nice car, the interior is damn sexy btw... but i really like to run one

[mo]

Yea B16A, all the way to 8500?? But does it make power all the way? Can you confirm??

I'm not sure about the other points since I haven't driven or sat in a Sportivo before.

[McChook]

McChook: what's done to your prelude?

Mugen exhaust, Type S intake, Type S cams, AEM cam gears... few other little things....

[SiR]

Having said all this, what do you mean by fair? To be 'fair', a Sportivo shouldn't even be taking on a Civic VTi-R. Why? The sportivo is a 1.8, the VTi-R a 1.6. Given the extra 200cc's, that ain't 'fair' to the Civic.

By no means am I dissing the Sportivo, but I just can't see a DC2R beating it by just a 'bit' :?


i'm stock, so to make it fair, you should be stock to.

all i'm saying is...keep an open mind with these things.

imagine all the mods done to a civic vti-r are also done to the sportivo.

who'd win?

I will admit, a stock sportivo will get beatin by a stock type r....only by a bit.

No use having a skyline GTR and racing a non-turbo supra or honda s2000. it's just not a ffair comparison.

Gotta keep it realistic. Why should i race a worked vti-r when my car isn't worked either? shouldn't both cars be worked to make it fair?

McChook: what's done to your prelude?

[SiR]

Yea B16A, all the way to 8500?? But does it make power all the way? Can you confirm??

I'm not sure about the other points since I haven't driven or sat in a Sportivo before.

Peak power @ 7600rpm, redline @ 7900rpm. I've never hit 8500rpm though cos I wouldn't want to feel the rev-limiter kicking in - not a nice feeling :D

[mo]

Yea...so if Peak power is made at 7,600rpm, why would you want to rev past that point?

[Kit]

i've sat in the corrolla sportivo... apparently its got few things againstit

1.weight, pretyt heavy i heard, neone wanna confirm|

2. VVTI-L, only comes in 6000rpm + and only lasts for 2000 rpm i think... compare htis to a b16a, vtec at 5500 all the way to 8500, got a bit more rev range in the wild cam...

3. gearing, apparently every gear change puts u way below the shift point..

i dunno man i know its a nice car, the interior is damn sexy btw... but i really like to run one

Ghost, The EK4 has a rev limit of 8400rpm.

I know this is a honda forum and all, but over the quarter mile, I would say there is probably no chance that a stock civic VTi-R can be faster than a stock corolla sportivo with 140kw from the factory.

0-60, then the civic *might* be faster, but still unlikely.

and i'm talking about cars with same mileage, same maintenance schedule and same state of tune and same driver.

the thing is, we are talking about two cars with similar weight, except one has more torque, 20+ more kilowatts and one extra gear from the factory.

Chris :)

[xoom]

Hi Guys,

Sportivo VVTL-i sent me the link to this thread to have a read very interesting. Im the guy with the chipped sportivo that beat the new integra type r. I have a few friends with honda's and we all c the pro's and con's of our cars. From our own personal testing when i was standard i ran my mates vtir civic. He had exhaust and filter. I won on each run 1st gear pretty even after that though the corolla just opens it up. Ran the new type-r when i was stock and so was it. Man thats 1 quick car beat me each time except for once wen he buggered the start. @ the end of 3rd each time he was ahead though and no way i was going to pull him in. Now after my chip ran another new integra type-r. Even though i absolutly buggered the start and slipped to have my bonnet at his rear wheel NOT ONLY DID I PULL HIM BACK IN BUT I PASSED HIM @ END OF FORTH GEAR. :D :D Have contented again several times with a new type-r and wen i get my starts down pat im just wasting my petrol as i now know im quicker and can get several lengths on 1. Does this mean either car is better than the other NO. All it means is MY car is quicker than some of the type-r's on the road. Nothing else. Have had my ass handed to me by an s2000 :( but have also handed an s2000 his ass to him :D . By the way same s2000 consecutive lights + after i had the chip. Let just say he was surprised how good the car went and gave me a congrats as he's never seen a rolla go so well and the fact i beat him he was astounded, the KEY THING he was a good sport about it and gave credit where credit was due. Your not gona win them all. Something people keep forgetting a race is of 2 things the car and the driver without both the race is over before it begins. Anyway guys enjoy your cars and have fun. I love driving my friends honda's n they the sportivo.

[Kit]

Having said all this, what do you mean by fair? To be 'fair', a Sportivo shouldn't even be taking on a Civic VTi-R. Why? The sportivo is a 1.8, the VTi-R a 1.6. Given the extra 200cc's, that ain't 'fair' to the Civic.

By no means am I dissing the Sportivo, but I just can't see a DC2R beating it by just a 'bit' :?



well it is fair cos both cars are in the same class, and if the VTi-R were for sale today, then they would be competing against each other for the same market. :)

[SiR]

the thing is, we are talking about two cars with similar weight, except one has more torque, 20+ more kilowatts and one extra gear from the factory.

Chris :)

Sportivo = 1224kg
VTi-R (coupe) = 1114kg

Similar weight?!?!

OK..... :?

[xoom]

Hi guys,

toyota has a few mis-truths in the public today about the sportivo..why ?? No idea

1) the weight of the car is closer to 1180...this has been put to the test by a few sportivo owners. The cars had a full load i.e. petrol, spare in da boot etc. So how toyota got 1224 i have no idea.

2) claim of a 0-100 time of 8.4. Top gear in england achieve 7.8, a danish magazine achieved a 7.7 and a greek magazine achieve a 7.3. Had some people take a sportivo to a test track and depending on shifting style record different times. With flat shifting i.e. foot on the gas at all times 3 times were recorded 6.9, 7.1, 7.2. Normal shifting the times were 7.4, 7.55 and 7.6.

Again no idea why the mis-conceptions but it has created a lot of controversy.

[pornstar]

meh who cares, id never buy a corolla, but thats just me.

and if u won against a civic thats cool, and if u didnt thats cool. all is good, but tis even better if its a honda ;)

[**Ghost**]

There is a point in revving past the peak torque/power point... i think... in my understanding (whihc is limited as i admit), the torque curve doesnt fall down a cliff -like tangent after 7600... it drops down slowly, which is i think a better "rev range"than shifting straight away to the next gear to wait for vtec...

but...i could be wrong

[Kit]

Sportivo = 1224kg
VTi-R (coupe) = 1114kg

Similar weight?!?!

OK..... :?

I had a quick look at the toyota website... although I couldnt find the sportivo, the corolla 4 door ultima hatch has a kerb weight of 1105-1175. I just assumed the sportivo would be similar.

the other thing is, magazine 0-100kmh tests are about as accurate and consistant as Joe Blow timing it with his casio wristwatch on the street.

The cars that journo's get to perform their tests on can vary from brand spanking new to thrashed to the sh!thole condition.

Add to that certain magazines run their cars with half a tank, some with 2 people and a full tank, some use flatchanges (which no one ever does anyway) and some don't launch properly, so comparing 0-100kmh times between different cars is a very unreliable comparison.

[**Ghost**]

i second that opinion... just cos some fatty works for motor or wheels or whatever doesnt mean he drives fast... and even if he does he might not thrash it cos the manufacturer lent the car to him

[Kit]

There is a point in revving past the peak torque/power point... i think... in my understanding (whihc is limited as i admit), the torque curve doesnt fall down a cliff -like tangent after 7600... it drops down slowly, which is i think a better "rev range"than shifting straight away to the next gear to wait for vtec...

but...i could be wrong

Ghost, i just pulled out my dyno chart of my EK4. the torque band is pretty much flat after 6000rpm, infact the torque curve is pretty much flat all the way through the rev range, with it peaking close to 8000rpm.

there is an argument for shifting past peak power rpm. (remember, once you past peak power and the power drops off, you are actually accelerating slower), and its done only if acceleration after the peak power would be faster than shifting up into the next gear.

but tests have shown that it is faster to shift at redline in the EK4 rather than to hang on until the revlimiter. Also, if you shift at redline on the EK4, the next gear will always be in the Vtec range, its only in the DC2 integra VTi-Rs that have a problem with dropping out of vtec range from the first to second gear shift.

Chris

[**Ghost**]

would I be able to convince u to send me a copy of that dyno sheet? i've actually been looking for one!!! plssssssssssssssssssss

[Kit]

yeah, pm me with your email address. i'll see if i can scan it or take a picture of it with my digital camera. The car wasnt standard at the time tho.

[luzinit]

hey! interestin stuff, may i ask what forums u corolla boys are from?? would be interesting just to read about the opposition ;0

[Xenon]

Now after my chip ran another new integra type-r. Even though i absolutly buggered the start and slipped to have my bonnet at his rear wheel NOT ONLY DID I PULL HIM BACK IN BUT I PASSED HIM @ END OF FORTH GEAR. :D :D .

Hi Xoom....

Just wondering what type of chip you installed into your corolla and also what other mods u have done to your car at that time?
Good job beating the ITR. :D

have u ever taken your car down to the strip for a real life time? :?:

[McChook]

Hi guys,

toyota has a few mis-truths in the public today about the sportivo..why ?? No idea

1) the weight of the car is closer to 1180...this has been put to the test by a few sportivo owners. The cars had a full load i.e. petrol, spare in da boot etc. So how toyota got 1224 i have no idea.

2) claim of a 0-100 time of 8.4. Top gear in england achieve 7.8, a danish magazine achieved a 7.7 and a greek magazine achieve a 7.3. Had some people take a sportivo to a test track and depending on shifting style record different times. With flat shifting i.e. foot on the gas at all times 3 times were recorded 6.9, 7.1, 7.2. Normal shifting the times were 7.4, 7.55 and 7.6.

Again no idea why the mis-conceptions but it has created a lot of controversy.

You have your own misconception

The aussie spec Sportivo is totally different to any other version in the world.

Ask Rick Bates

[xoom]

hmmm funny 1 that 1. Well considering that these are all produced from the 1 factory i.e. south africa ..with from what ive been told the occasional 1 produced from japan... how do i know this ??? well ive had lengthy conversations with the people at toyota, their management, tech staff, performance houses i find it hard that the OS ones are different but anyway playing with your idea that they are different. Explain 2 me how ? other than appearance they all share the 2ZZ engine, the same gear box, ratio's etc etc etc so tell me how r they different....oh wait they have a space saver n we have a full mag as a spare, their head lights appear to be different than ours, the front skirt is slightly different than our own, yes the europeans do get a chance to get their hands on a 3 door as opposed to our 5 door but as yet all confirmations/communication that ive had with people in europe state that even the 3 doors weight is the same as the 5 door....but hmmm u must be right with that for sure they must perform better than ours.... PLEASE...by now u must realise i am being sarcastic. If you havent noticed ...do some research every single toyota website around the world claims an 8.4 0-100 time for the sportivo or t-sport or RunX no matter what varient. Have spoken with dealers in south africa directly as well to confirm other things about the car .... So you can make your claim or have your own opinions BUT how about u consider the facts first. Oh did i let it slip to early that there is a concept called the "world vehicles" in toyota's stream of work which involves a 4x4 turbo corolla which involves several toyota cars world wide to be exactly the same...manufactorers are learning the hard way that they can just tea up consumers with dodgy after market products...HONDA is a perfect example explain to me what the ITR in japan is all about like 167kw, more torque etc but yet our ITR is only the equivilant of a lower model in the US whats going on there ????? So now u tell me who's cars overseas perform differently the example i just gave u is pretty obvious so i hope u cant miss it...hmmm must be y honda is ending its type-r brand ????

Now if ur gona take a dig at someone b prepared to have someone take a dig at u. PPL can post what ever u want on a forum but if ur full of crap well then ur only having urself on

Xenon: i have a unichip installed and breathing mods. How done a few other touch ups since then but lets not tell no 1 ;-)

[SoundStreamer]

xoom you beat a dc5r? i find that pretty hard to believe, dc5r bad driver? chip and intake only?? what sort of gains did you achieve?

i had a stock dc2r, i have also driven the corolla sportivo and not being biased or anything they did not even come close to being the same. the dc2r wouldve owned the sportivo,in a straight lined and even more on twisty's, and i dont mean only by a little bit. if i still had my itr i wouldnt mind being educated. only thing i can think of is your car must've had some impressive gains from intake and chip.

*note* im commenting on the itr vs sportivo, i have no first hand experience with ek4 so il leave that to you b16 boy's.

im not dissing the sportivo, i almost bought one, defineately well priced for a 14xkw? car, but no way a type r eater, or can be compared to a type r.

[pornstar]

omg xoom, english uses something called PARAGRAPHS. im not going to even bother reading that shit unless its done ina readable manner, we are honda ppl, intelligent not toyota ppl so please, some punctuation.

[mo]

Hahah this thread is just getting started.

[MR-VTEC]

lol mo. yeah i can say i got owned by a couple of sportivos. they're pretty fast. more than what i expected anyway. but im having trouble believing they could match it wit the new itr. i'd have to see it to believe it. :shock: :evil:

[mo]

Well in actual fact...I will not believe that a sportivo can beat any ITR through TLGPs...

If it was at a drag strip...both cars driven with full interior/spare wheel/full tank of petrol etc etc...same driver down the quarter then I'd believe it if the sportivo beat the ITR there

Other than that I think this thread is going absolutely no where

[xoom]

Ok lets get some punctuation into the post.

Yes SoundStreamer that is correct i beat an ITR. Coming from behind mind you. And if you read my post i have also sized up an s2000 as well. Yeah maybe he screwed up but like i said a race is car & driver.

The gains from my mods. Well lets just say when i saw my dyno graph & i have had it dyno'ed at a few places as i thought i was imagining and it was in shootout mode mind u i was very :shock: :shock:

I am yet to have the chance to run a DC2R off the lights. The older 1.8 type-r rite ? Did mingle with one in and out of traffic and we didnt seem to prove anything getting caught behind cars, catching up, passing one another etc so nothing learnt or taught. Yep they are an awesome piece of machinery, a friend had one a few years back. But the new type-r i think is quicker isnt it ? correct me if im wrong.

The new type-r is also a mean machine that to be honest with you is definitly built for the race track and i have no gripes with that, but on Aussie roads man thats one rough ride but if your into that then so be it.

Also i dont recall mentioning that i out handled a type-r that is NOT possible. The type-r's have been built to twist and turn in a way that put in few words is JUST AMAZING and from driving my friends one man that is one hell of a drive. I have seen 1 out handle a WRX. I say this because the WRX slid into the gutter and the type-r didnt. :twisted: :twisted:

My gripe is people who are of the impression that they own the is and end all of cars. I think some people need to look outside of their own little corners of the car world and see what else is out there.

I have and i give credit where credit is due. Can you honestly make the same statement ?

To be completly honest with you the satisfaction i get from beating a fellow 4 banger isnt that much as it doesnt really prove anything. I personally love to take it out on all those 6's & 8's that believe they own the roads. Tell me would you prefer passing a SS 5L (i have done and continue to hand out lessons in this department VL all the way through to VS, XR6's, normal falcons, XR8's the list goes on) or a 1.8L ?

The problem the integra's and honda's have is that everyone knows what they are and what they can do. The number of people that have under-estimated the sportivo, boy ive lost count. The number of people that have asked me the questions at the next set of lights after ive just blasted them "Thats not just a corolla is it ?" ive also lost count. Street sleeper :) :).

By all means enjoy your cars i know i do.

[MR-VTEC]

man nice speech and i give ya credit for takin the time and explaining yourself although the fact that you say you've beaten the new itr and sized up an s2000 won't go down well with the people on here. remember it's a honda forum.

i had this same arguement with my friend. we are still argueing about it now and it is three months down the track. he said he beat an s2000 in his standard 1995 bluebird sss. i said he wasnt racing you but he had witnesses and the guy in the s2k chirped of the line. well like you said it all can come down to the driver and some people must obviously really suck.

all im trying to say is you gotta understand that your claims are gonna make the people on this forum pissed.

anyways congrats on ur victories but i am still one who must see to believe. although i am one to admit those rollas are fast and give the civics a good run and in my case a good floggin.

and i do enjoy my car. :D

Cheers buddy. ;)

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

mo: don't you read previous posts?

i specifically said that a STOCK SPORTIVO vs a STOCK DC5R INTEGRA TYPE-R....will NOT beat it.

i specifically said that a Stock DC5R will beat a Stock Sportivo. Can i make this any clearer? Or are you still confused as to what i'm trying to say?

Xoom's Sportivo IS NOT stock.

Talk about tunnel vision!

[MR-VTEC]

lol. we've definetely gathered the fact that xooms isn't stock. hence his claims of an itr and s2k scalp.

[xoom]

No worries MR-VTEC. I mean no offense to anyone just trying to get some education into people to open up their options and not be so narrow about these things.

Hey i might run into 1 of you guys at a lights and u might b a better drive and pip me out or it might be vica versa.

But its all good. As long as your not a sore looser about it. Nothing worse than those abusive drive by's ive recieved after beating some1 fair and square.

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

Oh, and about changing gears in the Sportivo and landing outside of the powerband.

This is where Driver Skill comes into play.

If you're a good enough driver and can quick shift quick enough, i mean quick enough! You can change at 8,200 rpm and land well about 6,000 rpm (where LIFT comes in) We've got video evidence of ppl doing the above from 1st gear to 2nd gera to 3rd gear.

That's why quite a few sportivo's lose, because the drivers can't change gears for crap! hahaha. But, once in the power band, wow! Do they move!

Had 2 runs with a WRX. he had a full car (driver+ 4 passengers) and i had myself and 2 passengers. Lights went green and being 4wd jumped straight infront of me. was a car length in front and from then to 200KM/HR he NEVER pulled away, but i didn't pull him in either. so i pretty much stayed with him!

[MR-VTEC]

yeah i know how some people can be so narrow minded. PRIDE.

yeah we might soon hear about a traffic light showdown between you and someone else on here. i'm sure they're all lining up as we speak.lol

yep i know what ya mean there are some real dics out there that can't handle a beatin. specially the kind with a couple of more cylinders than us.lol.

[MR-VTEC]

just a question Sportivo VVTL-i how can you seriously tell me you stuck with a wrx a 4wd turbo. the power higher up in the speed stakes would kill a 2 litre na car im sure. please someone correct me if im wrong. must be one of these crap drivers again or he must've had his air-con on full ball.lol.

[mo]

mo: don't you read previous posts?

i specifically said that a STOCK SPORTIVO vs a STOCK DC5R INTEGRA TYPE-R....will NOT beat it.

i specifically said that a Stock DC5R will beat a Stock Sportivo. Can i make this any clearer? Or are you still confused as to what i'm trying to say?

Xoom's Sportivo IS NOT stock.

Talk about tunnel vision!

:oops: :oops: :oops:

Heheh sorry!!

[MR-VTEC]

oh yeah and his turbo must've been broken. lol.

[mo]

Oooo I have a question! Have you's taken on any skylines before?

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

MR-VTEC: wish i had a camera! me and my mates were like :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

pulled up next to him and said, "this is stock" and he said "so is this" then is said " this is 1.8 L N/A..and that's a 2L turbo" hehehe..he wound his window up and wanted to race again. well, guess what, same result.

most cars get in front of the sportivo, coz it requires skill to launch it properly, it either wheel spins or bogs. but the sportivo loves to play catch up.

I don't know how i kept up, i just did. One of your VTEC comrades on this forum was a passenger in my sportivo. he will definately tell you.

oh and had a honda accord Euro luxury with me too. was behind me racing a commodore. hahaha.... 4 car drag to 200km. awesome! :o

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

skylines...no. they'd rip us to shreds, wouldn't they? when i say we, i'm talking about both honda's and toyota's.

besides the fast ones of our makes of course =)

MR-VTEC: u from sydney? did u go to the ozhonda meet last friday? it was at auburn maccas. i was there with the stivo. =)

[MR-VTEC]

:shock: :shock: :shock: fair enough. i don't want to argue wit you. congrats on your victory. ;)

[xoom]

I have taken on an R33 gts-t

It wasnt a clean run though. If any of you know the lane cove area you'll know what im taking about.

I was going down lady game drive towards Lane cove road. I was at the round abouts where it open up to 2 lanes and back into 1 again. He was on my ass the whole way and he tries to pass me but i took notice of this and had already prepare.

Shifted 2nd and bang put the power to the ground went around the round about and we were side by side. 2 bad his land ends so he was going to slam into me but i slam on the horn n he waves and backs off. Ok yes he was on the outside lane and so he had to cover more ground but i still didnt let him in. That was all i wanted to achieve.

Anyway go to the lights at lane cove rd and they were green so i turn the corner and just put the foot down. All i hear from behind me is an all mighty roar and head lights going left - right - left - right but i was 2 busy concentrating infront of me.

I was ahead all the way down to the bridge by then was moving really fast end of 4th which is when i chose to back off and he flew past me and kept putting the foot down i reckon easy he took it over 200.

Ok no 1 take this out of context. I take one off the lights, i didnt say i can beat 1 any day of the week, etc etc etc. All i said is i held him out to prove a point of who cares if you have a skyline

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

MR-VTEC: it wasn't a victory. it was more of.."can i keep up with it".

i know a wrx will beat me, but i also know that i can keep up with it, 1-2 car lengths behind (coz i can't launch properly). Once in LIFT of course.

[MR-VTEC]

Sportivo VVTL-i nah sorry bro im from queensland,

[justinfox]

200km/hr on public roads? Um, what happens if some idiot walks out onto the street without first looking for traffic? (as people always do in Sydney).

You guys really should keep it to the track! That's where the fun is really to be had. The long straight on Eastern Creek is almost 1km long and gives you plenty of time to see who's the fastest :)

Here's a photo of me overtaking 2 porsches and a 911. :)

http://www.australianinfront.com.au/users/justin/burrowsday2/overtaking_m3_911.jpg

And in the lead of-course :)

http://www.australianinfront.com.au/users/justin/burrowsday2/pro_03.jpg

And I have had countless people try to race me off the lights in my GT-R. Anything from other turbo owners to Honda Civics. I rev up, look at them and grin then let them beat me every time. Why? Cause it's just not worth it! I get the last laugh. I like it that way! :)

[ginganggooly]

whats your best lap time around there?

[Kit]

just a question Sportivo VVTL-i how can you seriously tell me you stuck with a wrx a 4wd turbo. the power higher up in the speed stakes would kill a 2 litre na car im sure. please someone correct me if im wrong. must be one of these crap drivers again or he must've had his air-con on full ball.lol.

far out guys.

Can we not have an aggressive argument FOR ONCE?!

McChook, can you try hard not piss someone off on the forums?

I don't know about you guys, but the two corolla guys came in here in a non aggressive manner to join the discussion on their cars, they are just speaking about their experiences...

I know this is a honda forum and all, but Honda's are not bulletproof, and the fact is, there WILL be plenty of faster cars out there. (a general comment, not directed at corollas specifically)
They are only talking about their experiences, and as I said many times before, street drags mean very little due to the large variances in tune and driver ability!

MR VTEC, what makes you think a highly strung FWD 2L NA car can't keep up with a WRX? you *know* it won't or you just *think* it wont?

Faster acceleration is ultimately about power.... a lightweight 2L FWD NA car with about 150kw at the fly should have no problems keeping up with (or even beating) a Stock WRX.

Don't forget that the WRX isn't all that fast when it gets moving, they are only fast at launch cos of their 4WD system and ability to grip with high RPM clutch dumping.
In addition, the 4WD drivetrain has a lot of power loss associated. Its possible that the corolla might even be putting more power to the ground... I'm talking about a stock WRX tho.

so.... before this discussion gets messy can we all kiss and make up?? :)

:P

[mo]

200km/hr on public roads? Um, what happens if some idiot walks out onto the street without first looking for traffic? (as people always do in Sydney).

You guys really should keep it to the track! That's where the fun is really to be had. The long straight on Eastern Creek is almost 1km long and gives you plenty of time to see who's the fastest :)

And I have had countless people try to race me off the lights in my GT-R. Anything from other turbo owners to Honda Civics. I rev up, look at them and grin then let them beat me every time. Why? Cause it's just not worth it! I get the last laugh. I like it that way! :)

Nice photos!!

I love your website too!

[Kit]

200km/h?! you didn't happen to get pulled over on the M5 last night did ya?!
haha

far out man. I REALLY hope that you don't kill yourself or worse still kill someone else one day.
and I sure hope I'm no where near you when you pull those crazy stunts like that. I've been in far too many near misses cos drivers/bike riders think they have big balls.

take it to the track, its safer.

[xoom]

I've actually sent an email to the people at the creek to get some details about track time. As yeah i recognise doing this on the roads is dangerous and very stupid but we all get the hype every now and then and i dont think any1 can deny that.

[MR-VTEC]

kit maybe you should read all my posts under this topic before you go accusing me of arguing!

and as for my stint about the wrx i let that go!

read first before you go accusing me!

[Kit]

kit maybe you should read all my posts under this topic before you go accusing me of arguing!

and as for my stint about the wrx i let that go!

read first before you go accusing me!

Its cool... the wrx comment was directed at you, the other comment about this getting aggressive wasnt.
I can just see this getting very messy.
:)

[MR-VTEC]

ok no probs.

[MKI4EVA]

ah! the DC5R. ah, i get it.

so, the DC5 is the non type-r, right?

my friend has a vti-r coupe (nice car!) and we always drag when we can. every time we've raced, i've won.


i'll pay that............

[gelo]

if u wanna beat a corolla sportivo
just take one on on the tracks
im pretty sure the ek4 can easily outcorner the sportivo

i was choosing to get a sportivo or an ek4 last year
now my mind is made up
just have 2 find one now.....
2nd hand ek4 anyone?

[ginganggooly]

if u wanna beat a corolla sportivo
just take one on on the tracks
im pretty sure the ek4 can easily outcorner the sportivo

i was choosing to get a sportivo or an ek4 last year
now my mind is made up
just have 2 find one now.....
2nd hand ek4 anyone?

you might find yourself mistaken there.

a good friend of mine was lapping his (stock) corolla levin -yes the 100kw version- station wagon consistanly as quick as his previous (stock) civic vti-r hatch. despite the civic being quicker on the straights.
i can only assume that he'd be quicker again in a sportivo...

[MKI4EVA]

MR-VTEC: u from sydney? did u go to the ozhonda meet last friday? it was at auburn maccas. i was there with the stivo. =)

you were?...........huh..........what colour car?...............

[Civ_97]

what type of skylines we talkin bout cause stock rexies eat stock 33 and 32 GTSTs. so if the rolla will stay with a wrx it will prolly be right next to the skyline. it all goes down to driver skill though cause i have been in a sotck liberty RS turbo (pretty much older model rex) that has eaten a rolla and yes he was goin as he chirped it off the line.

[mo]

what type of skylines we talkin bout cause stock rexies eat stock 33 and 32 GTSTs. so if the rolla will stay with a wrx it will prolly be right next to the skyline. it all goes down to driver skill though cause i have been in a sotck liberty RS turbo (pretty much older model rex) that has eaten a rolla and yes he was goin as he chirped it off the line.

Cool! So if I chirped it off the line, you would think I'm driving the car hard? lollllllllllllllllll

[b13nx]

I've always wanted to run the EK Vtir's as well as the Sportivo's. You guys wanna make it a 3 way :D

[mo]

threesome's are good!! :dance:

[Weq]

Sportivo's are slow. a vtir will prolly be >= to it everytime. the corrolla's powerband is thin as a bee's dick and they are heavy as donky balls.

[luzinit]

" u are fat....smelly...shit...ghay....shit and fat"

[joneblaze]

ROFL... I'd love to see a modded Prelude VTiR w/ Mugen zorst, Type Sssss Cams and "a few other little things" run a stock Corolla Sportivo. WOnder to the outcome... :roll:

Xoom and 1.8L , gutsy of you guys to come onto a Honda forum and argue like you have. Good to see some healthy inter-make discussion, and that you guys aren't being tools. :thumbsup:

[fried]

*i agree*

[luzinit]

hey toyota dudes! which forums are u guys from, i own a ekvtir myself, which is similar in performance to a sportivo, go the lil n/a cars ;)

however hondas got massive aftermarket support, would be interesting to c where u guys go to get more power outta ur similar cars

[McChook]

ROFL... I'd love to see a modded Prelude VTiR w/ Mugen zorst, Type Sssss Cams and "a few other little things" run a stock Corolla Sportivo. WOnder to the outcome... :roll:
:

I can remove everything and go back to stock if required...

[mo]

8============D - Jon
8=======D - McFluff...I mean McChook :P :D

Which one's bigger?

[joneblaze]

8============D - Jon
8=======D - McFluff...I mean McChook :P :D

Which one's bigger?

WTF? I wasn't comparing anything of mine.... the topic is "Sportivo".... you freak. Go back to standing in engine bays... :)

[McChook]

8============D - Jon
8=======D - McFluff...I mean McChook :P :D

Which one's bigger?

WTF? I wasn't comparing anything of mine....

Either way, yours IS bigger than mine....
Hell, I have to spend MONEY to try and make sure you never get near me again....

[gatecrasher]

I've read a few reviews of the sportivo and most say it's pretty slow. In a wheels mag. they compared it against clio sport, astra turbo and focus st170. As i remeber on the dyno the corolla had practically the same power as the focus and clio. Alot of other reviews gives 0-100 times in the high 8's. You would think most of the time a vti-r would beat the sportivo.

[MR-VTEC]

man you cant use a review to analyze how two cars will go against each other. have you read the rest of this thread.

[gatecrasher]

Yeah i've read this thread but i'm saying the reviews from mags such as wheels and newspapers are from people who have driven more k's than most ppl here. I reckon their comments count alot more than someone draggin someone at the lights. There's my 2 cents.

[Javed]

Hahaha, seriously you cannot put the Corolla Sportivo against the DC5R like some have stated in this thread. All you need to do is take the 2 cars to the track, then all will be revealed. Remember motorposrt (in its true form) is not in a straight line ;)

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

joneblaze: Thanx for the comments ;)

We didn't join to argue and start negative vibes. I just wanted to clarify and try and get some credit for the sportivo. It's just so under-estimated.

Weq: tell that to a vti-r owner who has an exhaust, k&N, hanny's treatment, 8mm ignition leads, iridium sparks and so forth...who i can beat easily in my stock sportivo. *cough* tunnel vision *cough*

MKI4EVA: black.

Civ_97: might try a stock skyline then, aye? :)

[gelo]

a good friend of mine was lapping his (stock) corolla levin -yes the 100kw version- station wagon consistanly as quick as his previous (stock) civic vti-r hatch. despite the civic being quicker on the straights.
i can only assume that he'd be quicker again in a sportivo...


that maybe, but the sportivo has a 144kw vvtl-i engine
will limited adjustments 2 suspension and same chassis
im wondering if the sportivo can handle the corners carrying the extra power without under-ing

thers no doubt the sportivo will own the straights

but real men tackle the corners! ( best motoring =P)

[ginganggooly]

a good friend of mine was lapping his (stock) corolla levin -yes the 100kw version- station wagon consistanly as quick as his previous (stock) civic vti-r hatch. despite the civic being quicker on the straights.
i can only assume that he'd be quicker again in a sportivo...


that maybe, but the sportivo has a 144kw vvtl-i engine
will limited adjustments 2 suspension and same chassis
im wondering if the sportivo can handle the corners carrying the extra power without under-ing

thers no doubt the sportivo will own the straights

but real men tackle the corners! ( best motoring =P)

ROFL :D :D :D

best grasping at staws argument ever chum ;)
cheers, i needed a good laugh...



by the way, never heard of a car getting slower lap times as a result of gaining 40-odd kw :)

[SIKCVC]

anyone in melbourne with a sportivo care to meet up with someone off the forums at caulder to prov its power?

[Weq]

joneblaze: Thanx for the comments ;)

We didn't join to argue and start negative vibes. I just wanted to clarify and try and get some credit for the sportivo. It's just so under-estimated.

Weq: tell that to a vti-r owner who has an exhaust, k&N, hanny's treatment, 8mm ignition leads, iridium sparks and so forth...who i can beat easily in my stock sportivo. *cough* tunnel vision *cough*

MKI4EVA: black.

Civ_97: might try a stock skyline then, aye? :)

Ehehe fair enough.. Id like to see them lined up.

id say drivers would be the deciding factor, but 0-100times similiar!

off-topic:
not having a go at u, but dont quote 'hannys' as a performance modification - 'he' dosnt work on performance cars. 8mm leaders/plugs/ignition stuff dont do anything to a car also.

[mo]

Hannys Performance do performance mods y0! They have seat covers!! HAHAHAHA

[McChook]

thers no doubt the sportivo will own the straights

WRONG
The corolla is a tall, unaerodynamic tub of lard.
So it might own a Civic CXi, but not a VTiR

[wynode]

[quote="McChook
WRONG
The corolla is a tall, unaerodynamic tub of lard.
So it might own a Civic CXi, but not a VTiR[/quote]

Got some drag coefficient comparisons to back that up?

[mo]

He probably doesn't...Like most other comments made by anyone on these forums lol.

[VTEC16]

An emphasis on aerodynamics puts this car at the top, with a drag co-efficient of just 0.31Cd. The height and shape of the front bumper direct the flow of air over the sides and underneath the body with minimal eddies, while the height and shape of the rear bumper directs a smooth flow of air from beneath the car.

That is off the Australian toyota website - but it refers to the base model corolla....not the sportivo

[mo]

I always thought that the difference between base the sportivo is of the kit (I mean looks wise) and bigger wheels ?? Would the kit that comes on the sportivo give it even better aerodynamics?

[VTEC16]

If anything it would hinder the drag coeficient.

[xoom]

of the two civic vtir's in my area.

One is owned by a guy who is a sales rep for a toyota dealer. As such i met up with him and did some minor test. When i was stock each time with me driving his car or him driving mine the corolla just before hitting lift was slighly in front. Upon entering lift it surges ahead and once in second its all over there is no way the civic is going to catch up.

How serious is this guy on his cars. Let just say he went out of his way to buy the engine of the new type-r, full performance computer, and various other bits and pieces and is about to get some serious boost from his purchases out of his little civic. Man thats going to fly.

The other i believe is a CXi or what ever else models they come out in and is badged and done up as a vti-r as i've run this guy at least 10 times over the last 5 months as he only lives around the block from me and ive absolutly blasted him. When u chirp 1st and 2nd and do a drive by after i've just ripped you and ive completly backed off by that stage that to me says he's running me.

My conclusion is the civic vtir is a great little 4 banger and in the right hands can perform well, but i have yet to loose to one. Maybe they are all shit driver. But oh well ive got my victories as u might say with other sportivo's u've ran.

[mo]

Heheh chirping means nothing...I can't drive for shit and sometimes chirp off the line for no reason! hahaha...but yes I agree...most people that do chirp are actually want to run!!

[xoom]

Drag coefficient of 0.30Cd

according to carpoint

[bennjamin]

WRONG
The corolla is a tall, unaerodynamic tub of lard.



Is that why your car is so slow too ?

[Sportivo VVTL-i]

MrChook: i would love to get some video evidence of me beating a vti-r (both cars stock) again..and again..and again... :x :x :x

and would LOVE to see the reaction on your face. :shock: :shock: :shock:

i know it would definately be hard to swallow, especially for you.

Let's say you do the same mods to the VTi-R as you would on the Sportivo. Making it fair, then let's see how it goes again there.

btw, there are heaps of aftermarket parts out there for the b16. unfortunately, due to being recent the 2zz-ge doesn't have much aftermarket stuff. imagine how it would be if it had the same aftermarket range as the b16. Ouch! That's gotta be another one....

Thanx 4 all the honda owners out there who are actually open minded and are willing to acknowledge there are other cars out there. :thumbsup:

[SIKCVC]

Is it possible to put up times from both cars, not manufacture but these guys who are posting and another guy with an EK4 and put this to rest? We better choose a good driver to rest the fate of this argument :P

[bizee_1]

man you cant use a review to analyze how two cars will go against each other. have you read the rest of this thread.

Yeah i've read this thread but i'm saying the reviews from mags such as wheels and newspapers are from people who have driven more k's than most ppl here. I reckon their comments count alot more than someone draggin someone at the lights. There's my 2 cents.
Well i am going to use stats. I think it'd be interesting to test them out on track. Sooo interesting.

Check this : Motor BFYB 2003. Tests conducted at Wakefield Park. Times listed are those ONLY of Rick Bates.
180Nm Corolla Sportivo 8.7kg/kW 0-100 = 8.21 0-400=16.0 Lap=1:16.75
196Nm Focus ST170......9.5kg/kW 0-100 = 8.32 0-400=16.2 Lap=1:15.78
200Nm Clio Sport..........8.3kg/kW 0-100 = 7.76 0-400=15.54 Lap=1:14.27

Now, IMHO, (with same driver) a DC2R will be faster than the above. As a whole package (chassis, brakes, LSD, seats etc) it is superb on the track.

But for a 150Nm EK Vti-R with a 9.3kg/kW ratio VS Sportivo Corolla, me thinks it'd be quite interesting :) .......arrghh who cares, let's just hit the track anywayz fellas !!! :nod:

[Jus-10]

It's good to hear from a couple of guys with the Sportivo. I looked at getting one of those late last year, and as far as value for money goes, I don't think you can go past it as it comes with basically everything you could want....leather, climate control, 6speed 2ZZ all in a pretty decent looking package at $30k! Only thing is, it needs a pretty decent lowering IMO.

Can't remember why I didn't buy one in the end?

All this arguing about the motors is pretty funny actually. I remember that the topic was touched on in the "Why vtec is so much better than VVTi" thread. (It should be VVTLi actually) and I remember TODA AU saying how the 2ZZ is quite similar to the F20C and that it responds amazingly well to the Power FC.

Look, at the end of the day, everyone is really debating about a comparison between apples and oranges. The B-series Honda engines are a generation behind the 2ZZ...I mean the B16 came out in things like gen 2 CR-Xs (late 80s-early 90s) - back when Toyota was still pushing the 4A-GE. A more realistic competitior for the B16 would be the 4A-GE 20valve (if it was in an AUDM car of course)

Don't get me wrong, the B16s are a bloody fantastic engine and obviously stood the test of time, but I think it's pretty fair to say the 2ZZ (in Sportivo guise) offers some major bang for some pretty reasonable dollars and from what TODA AU says, it has some pretty amazing potential too.

I can love and respect all types of cars and as far as reliability and quality goes, there isn't much out there that beats Honda and Toyota.

J

[xoom]

Ok Guys before you read on or open the links below please be open minded as im only publishing the facts and figures.

For those who are purely after facts and only believe wats on paper here are 2 documents you will find interesting

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cpetrakis/toyota-sportivo-test.pdf

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cpetrakis/toyota-sportivo-test2.jpg

Both of the tests are the sportivo against the 2.0L type-r civic AND NOT any of the civic's we get in Australia. The one with the DC5R engine i believe as its specs are almost the same as the DC5R engine: 147kw & torque is a bit more. By the way they are using the other metric system for torque i.e. 145 * 1.353 = 196 NM a bit more torque ! Also shown as 196NM in the jpg.

I have taken two quotes out of the pdf if you dont wish to read through it all.

we managed an impressive 0-62mph time of just 7.8 seconds. This is all the more amazing as Toyota claims 8.4 seconds and our test was hampered by a wet track. In the dry the Corolla would be quicker still.

The saturated test track was no place to find out how fast the Honda could get off the line. It simply couldn’t put its power down in the wet. A best 0-62mph time of 8.3 is a long way short of what this car can achieve in the dry. Honda claims 0-62mph in 6.8 seconds

From these quotes it might indicate why the second tests times are so quick for the civic as it probably was done in the dry and they were able to get the power to the tarmac.

Now you might say well the sportivo only gained 0.1 seconds but if you read the pdf they disabled the traction control to get the 7.8 in the wet. In Aus we dont get traction control so who knows maybe the JPG's test was done with the traction control on and it was dry ? Does that prove anything ? Maybe. Driver maybe who knows ? Again keep an open mind.

What does this all prove ? I think the Aussie testers for the magazines have no idea what they are doing if they are like 0.5 second out and potentially even more as we have a test performed by a HSV test driver who recorded a 6.9 0-100. Ok the stivo wasnt stock just CAI & extractors but still that a lot of a gain from 8.4 ??? Hmmm gets you thinking doesnt it.

[xoom]

For all the pencil pushing calculator punching junkies take an analysis at the following

Civic Weight 1105kg - 97 vtir according to redbook
9.36 kg per KW
7.47 kg per NM

Sportivo weight 1224kg - 2003 according to redbook

8.68 kg per KW
6.80 kg per NM

Now we have weighed the s'tivo on a weighing bridge
and it only achieve 1180 kg with a full load as ive
indicated before. At that figure it achieves

8.37 kg per KW
6.56 kg per NM

Integra type-r 1160kg - 2004 according to redbook

7.89 kg per KW
6.04 kg per NM

Interesting !!!!!!

[mo]

Very!! But I don't like facts and figures!! I like times :P

[baboo]

It's just a toyota.

cannot compare with Honda..."the power of dreams"


hehe....but yeah, sportivos are harder to drive quick. but if you can keep the rev within "THE ZONE" yeah, your car should be quick once it gets going....

so it's really depends on the driver's ability to extract every bit of performance out of the car.

what I'm saying is that Xoom is a better driver than the DC5R driver that he have beaten. if they swap cars I'm sure Xoom who drive's the DC5R will be faster than that driver again.

[MKI4EVA]

stuff all this talk guys..........lets go and find out...........its quiet on tues nights..............hehhehe.

friendly gtg........

so which one of the bigg honda talkers are in?..........

[**Ghost**]

This in all in sydney isnt it? :(

[Kit]

I'll come........... to watch........ if someone gives me a lift...... :D

I think the EK4 (95-98) was actually 1131kg, and it was the EM1 coupe VTiR that was slightly lighter (at 1105kg).

[luzinit]

my ek4 is 1105 kg on the RTA rego thingo!
damn.. hehe i'd love to test sportivo vs ek4.. but im a shit driver :(

[ginganggooly]

i wanna see sportivo vs white gsi.

[mo]

i wanna see sportivo vs white gsi.

Same!!! http://members.iinet.net.au/~ehor/smileys/hyper.gif

[ginganggooly]

sorry to drag you into this jon. we all know you love it :D

[MKI4EVA]

i wanna see sportivo vs white gsi.

yes thats where the partys at!!............i've ran both and both pulled on me in similar style.......

i give it to the sportivo though..........only cuz i wanna piss john off.......hehhehe :D (jk'n mate)

Gsi imortality!! Take IT JOHN its YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!...........ROFL

[mo]

Hahaha *awaits jon*

[luzinit]

his clutch is dying.. heheheh so gotta wait for a while :P

[A'PEXi]

excuses excuses :D

[joneblaze]

i wanna see sportivo vs white gsi.

And after I lose i suppose only THEN it gets to face the mighty Grey? ;)
Leave me alone la...



i wanna see sportivo vs white gsi.

yes thats where the partys at!!............i've ran both and both pulled on me in similar style.......

i give it to the sportivo though..........only cuz i wanna piss john off.......hehhehe :D (jk'n mate)

Gsi imortality!! Take IT JOHN its YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!...........ROFL

AHAHAHAHA....i've seen that TWICE now... :x My gf loves it. Fukin Brad Pitt...
BTW ... its joN....JON...JON!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:




his clutch is dying.. heheheh so gotta wait for a while :P

Yes, I'm driving like a grandma atm, making it last... ETA is 3-4 weeks.

[SIKCVC]

Well finally good to see some talk of action :P

[Weq]

wooo i'll come toooo! see what the stivo is made out of!

[Grimlock]

woo hoo, book a time and place for this spectacle. I hope the people turn up.

au.toyotaownersclub.com

[MKI4EVA]

i dunno im just suggesting..........dunno if ppl are down.

good excuse for a meet though.

[Civ_97]

too bad u guys are all in NSW id love to c this

[Grimlock]

There will be a sportivo meet the coming friday 4th of June night time.
If honda peoplare interested. I think XOom will get definite answers

[stocky]

stuff all this talk guys..........lets go and find out...........its quiet on tues nights..............hehhehe.

friendly gtg........

so which one of the bigg honda talkers are in?..........

Yeah lets go!
I'll be in and it will also settle this other thread
http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&star t=30

I'll bring my trusty honda and that 1zzfe ascent along too

[luzinit]

where u guys meetin/heading to?
ill c if im busy.. btw i dont think my honda is superior or vice versa, i just wanna see what the rolla scene islike etc, good to see other similar cars to keep things interesting ;0 sr20de's are boring. hehe

[joneblaze]

Excellent. Sounds like a plan boys, but this is WAY off topic, hehe. :)
Someone can start up a new thread in The Lounge if you like.
I expect one of the first to line up a brand new 'Stivo will be the mighty Mcchook... *in the Honda corner*...... "black mean Prelude VTiR wif phat modz coming atcha!" 8)