Civic Carby Conversion to vtec turbo

[CivicciviC]

anyone out there have any suggestions, or recommendations on how and what i should put into my 1990 civic hatch twin carby, is it possible to turn it into a turbo without changing engines? or would changing it to a vtec 1.6 SOHC wit ha turbo do the trick?

Anyone have a front cut with a b16a ? Turbo?
Thanks

[amurray]

a D16y8 with turbo hmm....... why not go b16a turbo ?? now that would be fun :D

[CivicciviC]

Im a bit new at the whole engine mods thing, so, do you know what i would need for a b16a turbo conversion? and would a b16a turbo fit in a 90 civic?

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah it's possible, there's a guy in brisbane with that setup. But his car still loses to other EG's with B16's

[bboy_gadget]

Yeah it's possible, there's a guy in brisbane with that setup. But his car still loses to other EG's with B16's


I was talking to this honda dude opposite team jet speed and he rekons its best to turbo the b20, b16a should be left natural.

I've also had big talks 2 enginners and stuff, some say to drop compression right down but others rekon honda engines depend upon high compression so its important to keep it high like around 10 at the least. So you got a few things to consider. Also the amount of boost u want will affect how much engine alterations you need to make too. Its good 2 talk 2 some engineers and mechanics about it who have worked with hondas in the past. :thumbsup:

I wanted a turbo in my EG but wen my mate wid a 180 got beaten by this type R and he had the blow off and still got beaten i just wet my pants. :rolleyes:

[CivicciviC]

Is there a 1.6 litre that can be turbo'd? All i'm looking for is to put a turbo on my carby civic, without spending a fortune on it...Sugestions>?

[mtaing]

dude it really depends on ur budget and how much u really want to spend on the car that u need to determine first. but if u got money to blow i reckon you should get the b18c2 integra engine and turbo that?

[CivicciviC]

Im looking at about $3000 - $4000 give or take,
any suggestions for that,can i do a b18c2 integra engine and turbo for that amount? or am i dreaming/?

[mtaing]

dude i think u may be dreaming. my mate got a b16a j-spec put in his eg and it runs pretty good. he got it done for around $2900. think of it this way, the turbo on your carbi engine isnt going to run as good as a twin cam vtec engine. i sugest that u just get a vtec powerplant dumped in. and with the extra money work on your suspension and gearbox.

[CivicciviC]

So a vtec powerplant is a whole new engine? or just a mod to the orignal carby?
did your mate withe the b16a get his engine with the turbo for 2900?

[A.G.System]

dude i think u may be dreaming. my mate got a b16a j-spec put in his eg and it runs pretty good. he got it done for around $2900. think of it this way, the turbo on your carbi engine isnt going to run as good as a twin cam vtec engine. i sugest that u just get a vtec powerplant dumped in. and with the extra money work on your suspension and gearbox.

Best advice ive heard form a newcommer for a long time.
Even a D16 SOHC VTEC would be an improvement over the carby engine you have.
Also a hell of a lot cheaper.

[A.G.System]

So a vtec powerplant is a whole new engine? or just a mod to the orignal carby?
did your mate withe the b16a get his engine with the turbo for 2900?

Think that before you go jumping into replacing ANYTHING on your car you need to stop and do some research.

Find out about the car you own
Find out about the engines that you are interested in
Find what swaps other have done in your series car
Find out what VTEC is :P

THEN look at what you can do in regards to engine swaps etc.

[mtaing]

ive have a d16y8 engine before and from experience i know that all my mates cars blew past me. its nothing compared to a b18c2 or a h22a1. i was soo damn far behind it wasnt funny. i honestly think a b18c2 would be a good choice for an Eg civic. but after the new engine transplant, if u want to give it some gas at the lights i suggest get a nice suspension set up and a heavy duty clutch.

[CivicciviC]

Thanks for your help and suggestions,

[[[d a n n y]]]

if u cant afford it

turbo a ZC motor

EG si motor

these are twin cam non vtec.
96KW

[huynh12345]

hey civiccivic im doing the same conversion but in my 93" twin carby..

just wandering how much moneys u got to play with?

[CivicciviC]

Hey huynh12345, i was allowing about 3 -4 k, depending how much things are going to cost. how about you? any ideas on what engine you are going to put in?

[Nuttz]

ok heres some facts for the newbies!!
get a fuel injected motor first the carby isnt gonna work!
any D series motor(d15b,d16y1,d16y8) that would be the cheapest options the B series(b16,b18,b20) would cost minimum $3000 just for the motor to be put in.

because your car is carby you are going to have to upgrade fuel lines and fuel tank too.
get yourslef a turbo kit i think the most well known is the greddy turbo kit(costs about $2500-3000) bolt it in.

there u have it a turbo civic!

[huynh12345]

and 2500 - 3000 is JUST the turbo.. price of installation of turbo is another 1000 and other litlle things such as intercooler ... blah blah blah

[huynh12345]

wells hopefully i can get my d16y1 the vti 95" front half cut for maybe 1000 +- 300

[MoonSha]

GNOES YOU MUST GET A B16 OR HONDA WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL YOUR CAR BECUASE B16 IS THE ONLY ENGINE HONDA EVER MADE THAT YOU CAN PUT INTO OTHER CARS AND EVERY OTHER ENGINE THEY EVER MADE WAS FOR ECONOMY SO B16 IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.

Or, you could try something different... like, talking to somebody who knows what the **** they're talking about.

[mojo the flashy monkey]

lol 3k for a conversion in 2 a 90 civic ull be lucky to get a d16a8/zc for that much bseries will cost u over 6k lest wen i did mine it was in that range

all i can say is that in the end carby to efi in the 87-90 civic is pricy

make shour u know what u want and know what u need thers alot of little things that u dont think about but need

but yer its fun to do and some day ill be another old civic to play with long as its not red :D lol

[Lukezen27]

GNOES YOU MUST GET A B16 OR HONDA WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL YOUR CAR BECUASE B16 IS THE ONLY ENGINE HONDA EVER MADE THAT YOU CAN PUT INTO OTHER CARS AND EVERY OTHER ENGINE THEY EVER MADE WAS FOR ECONOMY SO B16 IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.

Or, you could try something different... like, talking to somebody who knows what the **** they're talking about.

Maybe you should read before making this stupid statement

"""EVER MADE WAS FOR ECONOMY""
VTec was made to get more power out of such small displacement engine full-stop

This EVER MADE WAS FOR ECONOMY is a load of crap apart for E-VTec or whatever its call and maybe 1.3L versions

Plus a turboed D16Y1/D16Y8 or even ZC will best a B16 just fine

[CivicciviC]

cheers lukezen27, so you think going with a d15b vtec with a turbo would produce a bit of power??

[Lukezen27]

cheers lukezen27, so you think going with a d15b vtec with a turbo would produce a bit of power??

Well its like this

B16 = 118KW at the flywheel, so maybe 90 to 95 KW at the wheels(lose 20 to 25% through the drivetrain)

Turboed D16Y1 is good for about 120KW at the wheels with intercooler ungrade and so on

So yeah it should pwn B16s hehhe if there stock tho :p

Tho just installing a B16 and not tuboing would be the cheapest and most reliable way to go mate



So much cash to turbo cars lol

[Kawasaki]

please upgarde your brakes and sussy if your going to do anything like this or u'll end up over a cliff etc

your d15b carby is a heap of junk, best to chuck it out. Go b16a IMO, even if you have to wait for the turbo you'll still have plenty of power to play with.

[CivicciviC]

There isn't going to be too much trouble and fluffing around putting a B16a or B16y1 into a ED is there??

[SKREMN]

Just drop in a B16a and you should be impressewd compared to what you have now
once you get over the b16 you'll have saved up more monies then do turbo conversion
one step at a time unless your have $$$
I was going to turbo my b20 but thats about an extra 8 grand i'm doing it one step at a time

[CivicciviC]

OK i think i have decied what to do.
Im going to go for a B16A conversion at the moment, and when i get some more $$'s i'll slap a turbo on that puppy and watch it fly ;)

Thanks for all your peoples, and if anyone knows where i can get a front half with a B16a Vtec, Please let me know!
Thanks Heaps

[[[d a n n y]]]

B16a are hard to find these days.
and the price of the b16a's are going up and up.
very rare these days

[MoonSha]

Maybe you should read before making this stupid statement

"""EVER MADE WAS FOR ECONOMY""
VTec was made to get more power out of such small displacement engine full-stop

This EVER MADE WAS FOR ECONOMY is a load of crap apart for E-VTec or whatever its call and maybe 1.3L versions

Plus a turboed D16Y1/D16Y8 or even ZC will best a B16 just fine

oops, somebody forgot to learn about sarcasm.

[Lukezen27]

oops, somebody forgot to learn about sarcasm.

lol sarcasm

Guess so :p

[1kmodem]

carby engines are not worth spending money on , they basically have no potential for anything so just drop a b16a or a h20 with turbs if ya got dosh to spend

[A.G.System]

carby engines are not worth spending money on , they basically have no potential for anything so just drop a b16a or a h20 with turbs if ya got dosh to spend

Thats about as Stupid as saying that SOHC VTEC motors arent VTEC.

I know plenty of people that have turbo'd 77-84 Gen Civics
Note that these arent Fuel Injected.

And Compared to the stock motor have HUGE potential...but also cost HUGE $$$ to get that potential.

Whats wrong with dropping a D16 SOHC VTEC into this guys car and Turboing THAT (ala Weq's car)????

Or My own which is a D16 SOHC NON VTEC in the process of being Turbo'd.

What you have to remember (origional poster) is that to a lot of guys you talk to you havent got a Honda unless you have engine X in car Y.

Truth be known, find out what potential engines fit into your car and legalities. Then from that point decide on what OTHER mods will need to be done.
eg Engine mounts, suspension, Tyres, Brakes etc etc.

All these things add up and make the difference between a good car and a great one.

on a side note also remember that all these guys that are ditching their old motors to go B16/B18 also means that there should be some nice cheap D series engines floating around. :D

[EuroDude]

CivicciviC have you considered just selling the car and buying a later model Civic with a VTec or ZC in it? Its gonna cost a fortune converting an old carby to a turbo fuel injected engine, plus the body/frame may not be up to the task of handling all that extra power, especially if its a tired 300,000km+ car.

The 92-95 Si had the D18A8 ZC, and the 92-95 Vti had the SOHC 1.6L VTEC. Maybe get one of those - you could probably find one for around $7000 may be less, then wack a turbo or supercharger on that :)

[CivicciviC]

I have thought about ditching this car and getting a new one, but, it is in good condition, i have done most other mods , suspension, tires, and if i sell it now it won't really be worth much, however if i change the engine, havea lil play :) and then flick it, it might be worth a bit more no??

well thats what i figured, but i am open to sugggestions....

[bboy_gadget]

OK, I just need to confirm something :wave: , for a carbie 2 vtec conversion, you need new fuel lines and tank, engine mount, maybe a brake upgrade, ECU, gear box and the loom?? Are they just the essentials or are there any more? Will the engineers handle the rest? :confused:

Also does anyone know of a good place that handles engine conversions that can do better than $2000 for a conversion :confused: . fair enough that you can do home jobs, but I want professionals workin on it that know wats goin on with experience, thats probably pushing it with that price but thought i mite try and find out anyway.. :thumbsup:

[jayjabroni]

hey dude.. im in the same situation as you.. i got a twin carby 1992 model EG.. planning to change engine.. NO point putting and spending a shit load on turbo for a carby... get a b16a... i am :D cost ya about 2-3 g's half cut? should come with everything you need.. gearbox etc etc.. just gta look for a place which have em! but hey ur ride! ur decision! but best thing b16a.. or if u want mor speed why not b18c..
:D

[bboy_gadget]

sweet man, 2-3 grand? The best price I got on a B16a was 2 grand wid box and loom and ecu, thats coz it was a gen 2, gen 3 and 4 are different in the vtec and DOHC or somin and cost up to 3 and 4 grand, yea i was thinking of gettin a gen 1 in a half cut but i think i want a lil more power in a gen 2, wid a bit of engine work in wid it would make it almost as powerful as the b18c depending on wats done and how much is spent, i'm budgeting round 5 or 6 grand so far, 2 and a half for the engine and parts, 2G for the conversion professionally done and the rest on upgrades. The turbo will cost about the same, some dude in NSW said he can hook me up wid a 280hp turbo for $5500 and a 380hp turbo all 8psi for $8000 with :wave: full custom exhaust from turbo back, custom piping and dyno. If i paid a supplier $6000 he'd supply the parts and get guys from sinapore 2 install the stuff and thow in an air con wid a 2nd hand condenser wid all the electrics done, its a temptation but depends wat package deals i can get by asking around and the knowledge i get from stuff, :cool:

Yea man mines a 91-92 EG3 civic breeze :honda: , i hate the 1.3L shit, u notice also that the car takes a lil longer 2 start up as a carbie rather than fuel injection, lil things like that get 2 u hey... wat r your plans man?? :(

[jayjabroni]

oh yeh.. well ive been researching white alot... id say go for a b16a DOHC... cost very but try ebay.com... overseas and email a couple suppliers see if they can do anything for you.. if you wants give them a call so they knoe your serious.... if u shop around enough labour can cost you cheaper than you think... and i wouldnt go turbo for our car! carbie aint all that! well id say its a POS! well im gna go b16a... shop around once i got the cash... just browse through ebay they link you to alot of jap importers... email around uno... btw with installation.. if uno a good mechanic make a deal with him on the side or something! but let me know what ya decide! im in the same boat! btw heres a pic of my ride.. its auto.. twin carbie.. GL 1.5L.. nothing done.. for performance just looks atm.. cept for an exhaust and airfilter... http://imagestore.ugbox.net/aview/686aba0845bd4eedfad99262f9050e32

[gnx1987]

This is just my opinion. Some people might have had good experiences but if I was doing an engine conversion, I'd try to get everything done as close to home as possible. Getting stuff from overseas for me is something I'd really try to avoid. I think you're better off shellin out a few extra beans so you've got the guarantee that you know where the motor is coming from and where it's getting put in so if need be you know where to send the cops.

And my opinion on the go turbo or stay atmo decision is stay atmo. Anyone can shove a few pounds into a four and go around beatin 8's but it's far more impressive to go around beatin 8's without boost!

[bboy_gadget]

yea thats true hey, but that spooling feeling wen u hit boost makes me hunger, so u rekon if i used that 5 grand on the engine instead of turbo t'd go as hard? The turbo would wear the motor down more than if it were NA wouldn't it? So that'd also be alot better. :wave:

Nice EG man, white rims and all lookin pretty rice haha, i got no pics of mine, its yellow, dark shadow 5 spoke 17" mags, black hood, black eyelids and cannon exhaust wid asian decals where yours are 2 give an image of my r :honda: ide..

Yea man, i'm committed 2 spending on performance but the amount and wat plus i get for my bucks isn't determined yet.. i've made mistakes :o in the past wid that stuff so this time i'm having a really hard look round and study be4 i go spending again.

[bboy_gadget]

yea thats true hey, but that spooling feeling wen u hit boost makes me hunger, so u rekon if i used that 5 grand on the engine instead of turbo t'd go as hard? The turbo would wear the motor down more than if it were NA wouldn't it? So that'd also be alot better. :wave:

Nice EG man, white rims and all lookin pretty rice haha, i got no pics of mine, its yellow, dark shadow 5 spoke 17" mags, black hood, black eyelids and cannon exhaust wid asian decals where yours are 2 give an image of my r :honda: ide..

Yea man, i'm committed 2 spending on performance but the amount and wat plus i get for my bucks isn't determined yet.. i've made mistakes :o in the past wid that stuff so this time i'm having a really hard look round and study be4 i go spending again.
:wave:
Thanks 4 the adice guys.. PEACE!!

[defect]

I once owned a eg3 (1.3l carby) and wanted to do a type r conversion, I brought the car without realising it wasnt just a matter of dropping in the motor.
So I sold it and got myself a turbo instead (never looked back).

your probably better of ditching the car and getting a 91 civic gli which is fuel injected and then considering a swap. Im not too sure if gli's came with drum brakes on the rear but thats another thing you should consider too.

End of the day, it isnt as cheap as you think it is. Gather more information before you start looking for looking for anything,

[[[d a n n y]]]

well okay..
ive already done my conversion.
and in the process of another

it's not hard to convert them over but time consuming.
if u have any Questions plz feel free to ask me

[jayjabroni]

i got one danny... my cars 1.5l GL twin carb and auto... whats the best and less hassle? buying a half cut? or buying the engine then buying the bits n pieces needed?

[[[d a n n y]]]

well id say halfcut

since your car is an auto lots of modification is requiered.

[2MPRSS]

why dont you be a sickkieent and drop a b18c and turbocharge that,should be a machine,cost way more though if anyone asks what u got,then u tell them its a 1.3 carby :D just lie to them like everyone on here does and say its stock man its stock,that would be the best sleeper ever :D il shut up now bahaha