Comfort in Type R [Archive]

snYpz

17-01-2006, 10:12 PM

Hi guys,
I am not too familar with sports cars but im considering buying a second hand 2003 DC5R or a 2003 WRX...wat are the benefits of each that u noe of?
I noe personally that the HOndas are very reliable as i am driving atm a 1998 model accord. the type r, from reviews appear to be uncomfortable for driving? can this be fixed by suspension or sth? the WRX is good because its all wheel drive and 4 doors.
Also, can adults fit into the back seats...im 6ft tall BTW...

cheers
snYpz

dark138

17-01-2006, 10:17 PM

you will have a hard time fitting anybody in the back seat
i m 5ft7 and barely anyone can fit behind the drivers seat.

stay away from parramatta rd if you're in sydney, its one bumpy mofo. i've sat in a echo, jazz, accord, MR2, S15, DC5 S, Accord Euro.

i still reckon the DC5R has the best seats, great back support. hugs you so tight... i can just fall asleep on them when i m waiting for my gf.

nipnip

17-01-2006, 10:42 PM

the back seats are fine in a dc2 compared to say... an s15 (u may as well chop ur legs off)...

dark138

18-01-2006, 07:04 AM

you buying the car for yourself or for other people?

who need back seats
if should you + your miss
thats all

:D

snYpz

18-01-2006, 07:37 AM

well yeh for me...but sometimes if i go out with some mates for a drink its more convenient! ;)

dark138

18-01-2006, 07:57 AM

if you're going for a drink

you should really take a taxi
don't put yourself and others at risk

vtml

18-01-2006, 11:53 AM

WRX is more comfortable than DC2R.

CJL

18-01-2006, 12:05 PM

He's talking about dc5r:rolleyes:...

Go the wrx if would like passengers to have room. plus awd :D
I find the suspension is not as harsh in the wrx

vtml

18-01-2006, 12:40 PM

opppss my bad

Andys

18-01-2006, 12:51 PM

WRX also has 4 doors. WRX definitely more comfortable for rear passengers, its similar to say a nissan pulsar.

[ricer]

18-01-2006, 01:05 PM

get the WRX
more roomy and comfortable (suspension wise) and there more fun to drive with a blow off valve, but thats just me...

Boostzor

18-01-2006, 01:57 PM

ehhee blow off valve eh, you really live up to your name ;)

im 6"1' or 6"2' depending on the day and my head hits the roof and its driving me nuts. Im thinking i might try get the seat lowered a bit.

wrx vs teg are apples and oranges.

things to consider:

Can you fit comfortably?
If you want to mod it wrx will be easier and cheaper to get power from.
Teg will use alot less fuel
Teg will be alot easier/cheaper to insure
In my opinion the teg is built better so you will have less problems with it.
Long drives the teg blows as susp is too hard and doesnt have alot of torque.
everybody drives wrxes ;) makes em cheaper though.

Q_ball

18-01-2006, 02:02 PM

comfort in wrx > comfort in dc5r

[ricer]

18-01-2006, 02:29 PM

ehhee blow off valve eh, you really live up to your name ;)

hehehe cheers mate :thumbsup:
haha
its just that i like these little misc noises, exhausts are just plain and boring now, vtec sounds like a broken car being pushed hard... so its all turbo now.. abig vroom then a smooth psssshhh :D

nipnip

18-01-2006, 02:46 PM

wrx vs teg are apples and oranges.

race inspired coupe vs. family 4-door with a turbo :p

but seriously, i'd get a wrx if i'd go turbo and comfort... better than a skyline gtst or something :D

Boostzor

18-01-2006, 03:50 PM

Andys

18-01-2006, 04:04 PM

Last time i got inspired by racing i went and got a beer ;)

Sadly, I think you have a point, when it comes to the DC5 :(

EDIT: before I get flamed, what I meant is, with the DC5R(S) Honda took the performance of the DC2R and made it more accessible. Which is a good thing! Since the DC2R can be a pain in the ass to live with sometimes.

But in the process, they made it less "race-inspired" IMO.

nipnip

18-01-2006, 06:10 PM

haha dont mind my phrase, only ricer will know what im talking about

olda

18-01-2006, 08:15 PM

R123

18-01-2006, 08:50 PM

YEP... REXs are cool cars.. they got turbo, 4 doors and a big air vent, cant go wrong with it man...

Menthu Rae

18-01-2006, 10:03 PM

YEP... REXs are cool cars.. they got turbo, 4 doors and a big air vent, cant go wrong with it man...

Don't forget, boxer rumble from 'zaust! :D :D :thumbsup:

Andys

19-01-2006, 07:03 AM

BTW, the type R *is* comfortable for the driver. :) Just not so much the passenger, and definitely not the rear passengers (really, only small/young fit in the back)

- Andrew

Boostzor

19-01-2006, 01:27 PM

Don't forget, boxer rumble from 'zaust! :D :D :thumbsup:

and a top end that sounds like an old man's shed on a sunday arvo. :rolleyes: *clang bang pop clatter*

Miss Chanel

19-01-2006, 01:55 PM

If ur comparing comfort, from a chicks perspective, go the rex (front and back seats).

string

19-01-2006, 03:59 PM

Well there are about as many gtsts as there are wrxes these days but id go the gtst or the 34gtt over the wrx purely cause its got 2 more cyl more room for mods and is really an all round better car.

Gotta love teh phrase "race inspired" what the frell does that mean? hondas race cars are nothing like the teg. They are FWD for starters and the definition of a sports car starts with RWD so that kills that. Its not got alot of power so that kills that. It does however handle very well and have a good weight distribution so iguess that helps.

Last time i got inspired by racing i went and got a beer ;)
Your an idiot. A sports car does not have to be rear wheel drive, or that powerful really. The "R" tegs have been degenerating to comfort rather than race, but they are still truly a sports car. Take a look at the DC2R for example. But wait, thats FWD, oops!

On the topic of power. The DC5 Type-S puts out 154kw.
Now, the new WRX has 25% more capacity, yet doesnt even put out 10% more power (169kw) yet, it has a turbo attached!

If the DC5S engine isn't "sporty" enough for you, then the WRX is something an 80 year old should be driving from lawn bowls to her bridge club.

Don't make me bring up the DC2R versus S14 Silvia again...

Boostzor

19-01-2006, 04:24 PM

Your an idiot. A sports car does not have to be rear wheel drive, or that powerful really. The "R" tegs have been degenerating to comfort rather than race, but they are still truly a sports car. Take a look at the DC2R for example. But wait, thats FWD, oops!

On the topic of power. The DC5 Type-S puts out 154kw.
Now, the new WRX has 25% more capacity, yet doesnt even put out 10% more power (169kw) yet, it has a turbo attached!

If the DC5S engine isn't "sporty" enough for you, then the WRX is something an 80 year old should be driving from lawn bowls to her bridge club.

Don't make me bring up the DC2R versus S14 Silvia again...

Word of advice, dont start post with insults, it serves to undermine your credibility.

The Teg has a higher power to weight ratio than the wrx does, i agree. However it has almost half the torque (194nm compared to 320nm) than the wrx.

The "definition" of sports car varies and due to alot of improvements in transmissions and drivelines it doesnt really HAVE to be FWD. Regardless the classical definition of sports car has been around for ages as i stated before (RWD, low centre of gravity, 50/50 weight distribution, 2 doors, hi powered) if you are top gear fan you would have heard Clarkson refer to this many times if you hadnt heard it anywhere else.

dont fool youreself mate. While the teg is great car its still a run about or psuedo sports car. You cant buy sports cars for under 70k in aus. The s2000 is a sports car the teg is a very well built commuter.

2MPRSS

19-01-2006, 06:51 PM

If ur comparing comfort, from a chicks perspective, go the rex (front and back seats).

oh wow :wave: hehe

coladuna

19-01-2006, 10:53 PM

Can you fit comfortably?
If you want to mod it wrx will be easier and cheaper to get power from.
Teg will use alot less fuel
Teg will be alot easier/cheaper to insure
In my opinion the teg is built better so you will have less problems with it.
Long drives the teg blows as susp is too hard and doesnt have alot of torque.
everybody drives wrxes ;) makes em cheaper though.

You are misguided there. Insurance is not a lot cheaper for Integra.
I got online quotes on both and it was around $1000 mark for both cars.
If I had a choice, I'd certainly pick WRX over Integra. Integra tend to be more expensive to purchase, doesn't have that 'oomph' compared to WRX and it's a front wheel drive. If you can, try and find a club spec evo7. It comes with leather seats and sunroof as extra.

coladuna

19-01-2006, 10:59 PM

On the topic of power. The DC5 Type-S puts out 154kw.
Now, the new WRX has 25% more capacity, yet doesnt even put out 10% more power (169kw) yet, it has a turbo attached!

If the DC5S engine isn't "sporty" enough for you, then the WRX is something an 80 year old should be driving from lawn bowls to her bridge club.

You are forgetting something important.
He's mentioned the difference in torque so I won't repeat that again.
WRX may only produce a slightly more peak power than Type-S, but the turbo kicks in at around 3500rpm where as the Type-S has to be revved a lot more to reach peak power. It's not just the peak power you need to look at. You have to also look at when the peak power arrives.

Type-S has great engine, but don't use that fact to ridicule the engine in WRX.

nipnip

20-01-2006, 12:35 AM

the integra being a FWD is not a liability when compared to the WRX... my mate has a MY04 and the thing body rolls like crazy... but it has the AWD grip. if that didn't make sense, then drive a stock wrx and throw it around consecutive corners, hop in a type r and do the same thing and you'll see the difference. not baggin the rex, as i've stated before, im quite fond of em, and as i said b4, i'd get one... and another thing... whats with all this wrx talk? i only mentioned it as an example :confused:

as for power... i'd say its all about balance, brakes, weight, gearbox, chasis etc. compared to any other stock car (under 50k), i think the whole package works well with a type r, and as for the weight distribution, again for comparison sake... dc2 is double wishbone, dc5 is mcpherson (and wrx)... double wishbone > mcpherson strut

and maybe "race inspired" was too much of a statement, but again, that was only directed to "ricer" lol. but for the sake of a friendly debate, can anyone suggest a car under 50k that approaches the type r philosophy (stock of course! and thats showroom pricing at time of release)

edw-R

20-01-2006, 01:01 AM

I will choose Type R.

Catcha

20-01-2006, 06:39 AM

It's funny how everything is compared against a WRX, Why not compare it to a mazda MPS :) or some other car hehehe

nipnip

20-01-2006, 08:28 AM

dont fool youreself mate. While the teg is great car its still a run about or psuedo sports car. You cant buy sports cars for under 70k in aus. The s2000 is a sports car the teg is a very well built commuter.

well lets look at what honda did to a type r:
- spot wielded chasis
- removal of sound deadening
- hand buffed and ported engine
- lightweight inlet valve, piston rods, windscreen etc

aside from all that work we get a harsher ride from the stiffer spring rates. my point is, i dont think honda put in all that effort to create a "very well built commuter", im sure they had other intentions. why would you bother spot wielding the chasis to create a run about car? the lack of sound proofing and the harsher ride isn't exactly what the majority of the market will tolerate, a drive along hume hwy/parramatta rd is not exactly a comfortable journey, the car doesn't even have vanity mirrors. for your average commuter vehicle, the type r would be quite a poor choice

nipnip

20-01-2006, 08:35 AM

It's funny how everything is compared against a WRX, Why not compare it to a mazda MPS :) or some other car hehehe

i'd compare a mazda mps to a subaru liberty gt as they share the same target market and pricing (over 55k). they also have very similar power figures 191kw vs 190 kw. nice car though, not sure how well they're selling as i've only seen one on the road so far

Miss Chanel

20-01-2006, 08:39 AM

oh wow :wave: hehe
Hehe.. (in the passenger seat, when u flip the vanity mirror down in the typeR, u cant see urself properly) :wave: :cool:

nipnip

20-01-2006, 08:49 AM

Hehe.. (in the passenger seat, when u flip the vanity mirror down in the typeR, u cant see urself properly) :wave: :cool:

how could that be? type r's dont have vanity mirrors at all... :confused:

b18cfreak

20-01-2006, 09:24 AM

Sorry if what i say is a little outa context now but i only skimmed trough this post..

WRX is definately a more comfortable ride than a type-r but have you considered the new LS integra's? Are you after the performance? I've been in the newer LS's and they aren't really short of power when compared to other four cylinders, plus they are really comfortable, still the only negative thing in your case is you want to beable to take passengers, the integra's aren't really the greatest car for "fitting" back passenger's especially when compared to a four door.. But if it's only when going out with mate's every now and then (weekends perhaps) then you should really be concentrating on which car you like more, take them both out for test drives and decide which one takes your interest more.. your mates will fit in both cars no worries (i'm 6ft something and have sat in the back of DC5 and only thing that got me for my head touched the roof) and i'm sure if they are drinking they really won't care about being a little cramped..

Another thing i read somewhere in this topic was some one saying the type-r isn't really a sports car or something along those lines? Isn't the R supposed to stand for "racing"? I am 99% sure honda has used that in advertisements before.

-- prolly off topic section --

Just another point i'd like to make is when racing around a track i have read dozens of articles that show Type-r's comfortably out performing wrx's and 200's. (though i think the new type-r vs s15 in Aus where pretty even now, but wrx is definately left behind).

One last thing i'd like to say is that it's all about the Gen 2's, yeah that's right, typeR has nothin on old school LS power when it comes to the track! :D

FunkyR

20-01-2006, 09:59 AM

Lol, if u want to know how a type R performs on the track, go race one..... a huge rear wheel drive kW monster isnt everything.... :)

Miss Chanel

20-01-2006, 10:11 AM

how could that be? type r's dont have vanity mirrors at all... :confused:
Yeh actually they do.. the japspec ones do neway :)

So the moral of the story is- if u want u lady friend to look good- get a wrx- however, if she decides to do her mascara while the car is moving- bad idea.

nipnip

20-01-2006, 10:20 AM

Yeh actually they do.. the japspec ones do neway :)

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal2/orly_copter_pilot.jpg

Tofu

20-01-2006, 10:27 AM

get the WRX

alot of people buy the Type R for the wrong reasons...
if you don't like the feeling of almost driving a go kart, then don't get the R

if you still like the shape of the DC5, then just get the base and turbo it

Miss Chanel

20-01-2006, 10:32 AM

Trust me.. u dont wonna have a flaming pics war with me..

nipnip

20-01-2006, 10:39 AM

Trust me.. u dont wonna have a flaming pics war with me..

well, i wasn't really attacking you, frankly, i dont know if the jdm type r's have vanity mirrors at all, i just wanted to use the picture... and this one too

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_owl.jpg

and now im off to work

Boostzor

20-01-2006, 11:34 AM

Yer i gotta agree with teh go kart thing here. The connection with the road is pretty damn good, you feel everything and thats in an S!!! i had heard the R made long drives a little bit irritating due to the stiffness and response so thats why i never got an R before but the S makes a good compromise. The WRX however, in that respect, is not even in the same ball park.

Alot of people praise the WRX because its AWD and therefore should handle better? i disagree with this as the belief that its is and understeering so and so is well founded. I tried to understeer the teg and had serious trouble even in the wet. I always found that when a FWD car starts to under steer you are essentailly screwed but this is not the case with the teg.

b18cfreak

20-01-2006, 12:45 PM

I always found that when a FWD car starts to under steer you are essentailly screwed but this is not the case with the teg.

I agree totally with this and i drive a 90 LS lol, it understeers easily if you don't know the car's limitations but if it does start you just simply back it off the accelerator a bit and it comes back fine..

Catcha

20-01-2006, 10:55 PM

i'd compare a mazda mps to a subaru liberty gt as they share the same target market and pricing (over 55k). they also have very similar power figures 191kw vs 190 kw. nice car though, not sure how well they're selling as i've only seen one on the road so far

I'm starting to see a few on the road.:D

Catcha

20-01-2006, 10:57 PM

type r are suited more to track, but not to normal road conditions where as a wrx is build for road not for track, but some minor suspension work will fix that in any car let alone a wrx

aaronng

20-01-2006, 11:11 PM

I tried to understeer the teg and had serious trouble even in the wet. I always found that when a FWD car starts to under steer you are essentailly screwed but this is not the case with the teg.
LOL, if it was a RWD in the wet and it started to oversteer, then you ARE already screwed. :D Just have to wait to be royally screwed when the car turns 180º.

Banana

20-01-2006, 11:18 PM

I always found that when a FWD car starts to under steer you are essentailly screwed but this is not the case with the teg.

LSD is ur friend :)

jords

20-01-2006, 11:23 PM

who cares about passenger comfort you'll be driving, and you will never sit in the back....

AMS-89Q

23-01-2006, 05:03 AM

The DC5R rarely understeers, very stiff suspension though (like Banana said, get 2 way LSD my friend or coilovers). Friends with S15's and WRX's all say the interior of the R is beautiful (pst! get red sway theme). About the controversy of the rear seats... ummm its a coupe, you musn't expect it to have glorious amount of room (although the only roomy coupe i've found to be is the RX8 nice! unlike FTO's and S15's). Finally piece of advice with the Recaros, on the driver seat the entry/exit wears out the padding, get use to getting out of the car awkwardly.