EK4 and DC2R braking power

[uetecu]

Guys,
Can anyone tell me if there is a huge difference between the EK4 and DC2R braking in terms of stopping power.

I'm finding the EK4 brakes are so weak compared to the DC2R? Or am I just expecting too much from the EK?

any opinions appreciated :)

[spoondc2]

Yeah at least the caliper and rotors are more bigger than ek4, and ITR got strong brake booster too. Can't expect too much for an ek4 if comparing to ITR, you may consider upgrading it to ITR brake system but you will need to change the front lower control arm i think and actually ITR caliper is quite heavy...

[SPEEDCORE]

What's the current setup and what tyres are you running with the current setup?

Once we know people will be able to help you out.

[gelo]

i think ur expecting too much from the ek4
the level of braking from the ek4 is like the dc2 non type R
therefore its like comparing dc2 vti-r brakes with type R

afaik, the rear brakes of the ek4 are same as gli, so only the fronts are slighly bigger than normal civics

[uetecu]

i think ur expecting too much from the ek4
the level of braking from the ek4 is like the dc2 non type R
therefore its like comparing dc2 vti-r brakes with type R

afaik, the rear brakes of the ek4 are same as gli, so only the fronts are slighly bigger than normal civics

Thanks for clarifying that.
I'm still in the process of purchasing one so I wanted to be sure it wasn't the car that was the problem. I even complained to the owners it doesn't brake but its just me. At least now I know :rolleyes:

Are the front calipers and rotors in the EK4 larger than the GLi/CXi's at least?

[kayot1k]

why do you worry about this ?
if its all oem and nothings been changed then THAT brake setup that was put there by HONDA is sufficient.
ek4 or whatever.
once you increase your power/motor on that vehicle then do you need to worry about ur braking power.
you worry too much perhaps mate.

[gelo]

Are the front calipers and rotors in the EK4 larger than the GLi/CXi's at least?

yes

[sifoo]

nah he's not worrying too much .. the EK4 brakes suck

Hey Ian! Its Paul .. heard from Aaron your getting a red EK4?

Coming to next trackday? :)

[BlitZ]

nah he's not worrying too much .. the EK4 brakes suck

Hey Ian! Its Paul .. heard from Aaron your getting a red EK4?

Coming to next trackday? :)

How can they suck and yet allow me to run on ABS all day all night around wakie.

the ITR set up is better but the ek4 is sufficient if its running an almost stock 1.6

[uetecu]

nah he's not worrying too much .. the EK4 brakes suck

Hey Ian! Its Paul .. heard from Aaron your getting a red EK4?

Coming to next trackday? :)

heya paul!
thx for giving me a straight answer.

If all goes well I should be on the road in no time.. i'm keep you posted soon and we'll meet up. I have to check yours out as well ;)

Re trackday, i will need to fix these brakes beforehand as im not too confident with this brake setup. Hence the reason for all these questions.

[gelo]

How can they suck and yet allow me to run on ABS all day all night around wakie.

the ITR set up is better but the ek4 is sufficient if its running an almost stock 1.6

agreed
i track in a full stock ek4 at wakefield
besides the fact that the abs coming on too easily (imo)
they are sufficient to do 2-3 hot laps continously

depending on what uve done to ur car
maybe upgrading the pads will be enough
if ur going hardcore then u can go the dc2r brakes

[uetecu]

yes

;)


How can they suck and yet allow me to run on ABS all day all night around wakie.

the ITR set up is better but the ek4 is sufficient if its running an almost stock 1.6

I appreciate ur input.
Please note i was only comparing it against the ITR brake feel.

Blitz what pads and fluid are u running? i assume DOT5 fluid?

[iamhappy46]

Better pads and slotted rotors in the EK4 will make braking power comparable to the standard DC2R setup. The heavier unsprung weight of DC2R calipers, rotors and pads is a disadvantage to be considered here too.

[BlitZ]

;)



I appreciate ur input.
Please note i was only comparing it against the ITR brake feel.

Blitz what pads and fluid are u running? i assume DOT5 fluid?

Motul Dot 4 RBF400..
Just didnt want people dissing ek4 brakes when they have never used them properly

[uetecu]

Better pads and slotted rotors in the EK4 will make braking power comparable to the standard DC2R setup. The heavier unsprung weight of DC2R calipers, rotors and pads is a disadvantage to be considered here too.

Now that's what I want to hear.

What type of pad, fluid, rotor combo's are you guy's running for track/street application?

I'm after a setup which will allow me to do 10 hot laps at wakie using the stock caliper/rotor size :) Have you found this possible?

[BlitZ]

Now that's what I want to hear.

What type of pad, fluid, rotor combo's are you guy's running for track/street application?

I'm after a setup which will allow me to do 10 hot laps at wakie using the stock caliper/rotor size :) Have you found this possible?

just use motul rbf400 fluid and any performance pad under EBC, endless, ferodo, project mu and you'll be guaranteeed no fade all day all night..

Then you tyres will s!@#$! itself..

get some semis too while at the shops

[BlitZ]

the only reason why i woud upgrade ek4 brakes to itr is cause its cheap. 150-300

[sifoo]

I found that 3-4 consistent hard laps of Wakefield and the brakes start getting very sloppy.

Keep in mind the rear calipers are tiny!

Im going to upgrade to Motul RBF 600 and Ferodo DS2500 if all goes well for next CC day.

[sifoo]

the only reason why i woud upgrade ek4 brakes to itr is cause its cheap. 150-300

you sure you can get them that cheap? :confused:

you need more than the calipers and discs for the conversion. hubs, arms and etc will run $300+

plus you need a set of 5 stud pattern wheels to match ...

a kit without wheels prob goes for $1000

[spoondc2]

Better not to use RBF600 on Honda brake sysyem, i forgot why but motul said so

[BlitZ]

What brake setup are u running? oem?

Try upgrading... i can break into 1:16 and constant 1:17 with better brakes (pads and fluids) and jsut ITR springs, kopnis, street tyres


They proabably feel soggy cause you over cooked your fluid. (passed boiling temp).. If you upgrade the fluid and pads it would be good.

The caliper does the job... ITR would def have a better brake feel and less warming up- instant bite.... but ek4 brakes can brake pretty well if you upgrade the fluid and pads





I found that 3-4 consistent hard laps of Wakefield and the brakes start getting very sloppy.

Keep in mind the rear calipers are tiny!

Im going to upgrade to Motul RBF 600 and Ferodo DS2500 if all goes well for next CC day.

[iamhappy46]

EBC brake pads are awesome for track days, the standard slotted rotors from DBA are a bargain but if your can afford it, the slotted 4000 series are AWESOME.

http://www.dba.com.au/dba_catalogue_2004/HTML/4000series/4000_index.htm

Remember that the lighter your car, is the better and longer your brakes will perform...

[todaek9]

In DC2R or CTR, Their brakes are definately bigger than Ek4 but how ever EK4 can also improve their braking distance by just changing braided lines, Sloted disc, Pads, brake oil. Or, take out ABS and put in brake stopper as well. Anyway, Rotor alone can improve quite abit.

[sifoo]

Better not to use RBF600 on Honda brake sysyem, i forgot why but motul said so

and what reason may that be?

[uetecu]

I found that 3-4 consistent hard laps of Wakefield and the brakes start getting very sloppy.

Keep in mind the rear calipers are tiny!

Im going to upgrade to Motul RBF 600 and Ferodo DS2500 if all goes well for next CC day.

The rear calipers aren't tiny.. they are more cute actually..hehee :D

If your running the stock DOT4 brake fluid they will stay mushy indefinitely.
I used to run the RBF600 and it was great..!

I need to source some good pads now as mine are almost dead. I ran racebrakes previously but it started squeeking too much for my liking.
I wonder who in this forum has the best prices for pads?

[uetecu]

What brake setup are u running? oem?

Try upgrading... i can break into 1:16 and constant 1:17 with better brakes (pads and fluids) and jsut ITR springs, kopnis, street tyres


They proabably feel soggy cause you over cooked your fluid. (passed boiling temp).. If you upgrade the fluid and pads it would be good.

The caliper does the job... ITR would def have a better brake feel and less warming up- instant bite.... but ek4 brakes can brake pretty well if you upgrade the fluid and pads

oem setup at the moment.

So u can manage 1:16's with only pads and fluid for your brakes? if so then that's good enough for me!

[uetecu]

Better not to use RBF600 on Honda brake sysyem, i forgot why but motul said so

Are you defintely sure?

Cos I've used it before with no problems. If anything they were fantastic.
There is about 50 Integra/Civic owners out there using it at the moment without any issues. :confused:

[PIS01]

ek4 's roters and caliper much smaller even the brake pads' surface area ar much smaller. however after i put the endless ccx (50-750 heat range) brake pad and cusco brake stopper. my brake goes better and more responsive.

[uetecu]

ek4 's roters and caliper much smaller even the brake pads' surface area ar much smaller. however after i put the endless ccx (50-750 heat range) brake pad and cusco brake stopper. my brake goes better and more responsive.

Are u running stock rotors? are you sure 750 degrees is enough? :rolleyes:

What difference have you found since having the cusco brake stopper?

[PIS01]

Are u running stock rotors? are you sure 750 degrees is enough? :rolleyes:

What difference have you found since having the cusco brake stopper?

yes still running my stock rotors, 750 is very enough. u wont get over 400 on street. even on track u only got 6 runs on queensland raceway then cool down, your disc my go up to 600 max. they ar pretty good pads for track, they cost me abt AU$400 imported fr hong kong.

i love the brake stopper, they make my brake feel harder. Their function is to stop the movement of brake master cyclinder when u ar braking. but it will lead to your brake more responsive. stop earlier than b4 without it. therefore ABS will come earier. thats wat i found by using it. :D

[uetecu]

For those using their car for mostly street/light track application, what pads do you recommend? I only want to spend $150-200 for the fronts.

Anyone tried these or know of any others?
Ferodo DS2500
EBC GreenStuff

[spoondc2]

Are you defintely sure?

Cos I've used it before with no problems. If anything they were fantastic.
There is about 50 Integra/Civic owners out there using it at the moment without any issues. :confused:

Not definitely sure but i've seen it on Motul offical site before, it said it will stuffed up something inside the brake system but i've forgetten what is it, but i've also tried it on my car before and it seems ok as well... :confused:

It's just an reminder....

anyway, DS2500 is good for street/track if you don't push real hard, and for the EBC green stuff you may forget it, it's not even good enough on the street.

It's all depends how hard you push the car and how hard you step on the brakes, if you are looking for good lap times, you definitely need more better rotors, pads, ss brake line, fluid, caliper and etc. Oh one more thing, if you are driving ek4 and you wanna upgrade to ITR brake system, it's better to get ITR MC and booster as well, it will give you more stronger brake power.