A Pulsar to rival egk20a!!

[DannyB]

i've got a mate who is a memeber of the pulsar group of australia website and he has just informed me about an n14 sss pulsar that is starting to come good in the drag curcuit here's his specs!
N14 SSS with Tomei Power!!
Hey guys and girls,

Well, I have been reading the forums here for a while and finally got a static email so I could sign up.

I got a Black 1993 N14 SSS Pulsar, with ABS & Elec' Sunroof
18" Zepter Ligare Spokes with 215/35 Hankook Ventus K104 Sports
NZ-R N1 15" Rim fitted with slicks for front(drag race only)
Slotted N14 Spec DBA Rotors
Lowered 2" on a mix-match of springs and shocks
Whiteline Strut Braces Front & Rear
Whiteline Swaybar Link & 'D' Bush Kits
Offset Lower Control Arm bushes on front (increase castor)
New Factory Black 2 Pak Acrylic Paint
C-West 'Rear Half' Wing - Meant for 180SX

Now comes the tastiest part:
SR20DE Engine Block
Oversized Forged Pistons
91mm Stroke TOMEI Full-counterweighted Crankshaft
Shot-peened SR20DET Conrods
12.47:1 Compression Ratio
Modified Block Skirts
Nismo Main & TOMEI Conrod Bearings
Light Chro-Moly Flywheel
Upgraded Exedy Clutch Assembly
Billet Alloy Engine Pulleys - Anodised Blue
SR16VE N1 Specification Cylinder Head
Custom ground camshafts to suit engine
Subtle Camshaft Timing Adjustment
Custom 4-2-1 Extractors
Tomei Quad-Throttle Body Kit
Custom Plenum made to adapt to factory Air-box
3" Metal Biscuit Catalytic Converter
3" Performance Free Flow Exhaust System
Walker Resonator + Rear muffler with dual 2.5" exit (sounds great!)

SR16VE N1 Gearbox with 'special' internals
Billet driveshafts as the standard ones break with slicks http://forum.pulsar.org.au/images/smilies/frown.gif

201Kw@the wheels, burning around 2L of BP Ultimate per minute
13.24s @ 103mph with a crap 60ft time, running 18" street tyres and without quad throttle body kit.
Naturally Aspirated ROCKS!!

I have spoken with the driver of the 12s Civic, EGK20A and he believes that with suspension and tyres sorted, I will be into the very low 12's

Yes, I am also the guy with the VET X-Trail.. Will add more here when I get it back from the workshop.

Reason for edit: Had to update work performed in the last few months.

[Chi]

nice !!! Pwn The Honda's Yo !!!


BTW EGK20A had stock internals

[DannyB]

yeah?? shit i'd love to see thses two head to head!!

[JDM.Power]

thats a nice list!!
hope everything goes well for him.

[0098]

His Zepters and suspension setup sound awesome!
:rolleyes:

[[[d a n n y]]]

shit box nissan.. lol

[jdm_kid]

]']shit box nissan.. lol

lol
needs weight reduction

[Chi]

yeah?? shit i'd love to see thses two head to head!!

You spoke to the the driver of egk20a and you didnt know internals were stock? :confused:

[tinkerbell]

yeah?? shit i'd love to see thses two head to head!!

you spoke to the driver of egk20a and didnt know the car doesnt exist anymore?

[panda[cRx]]

you spoke to the driver of egk20a and didnt know the car doesnt exist anymore?

eh?:confused:

.... and all that internal work to match a stock k20a lmfao! :wave:

VTEC y0!

[EG5]

our EGk20a dont exist anymore.
12.3@109 is as fast as we can go back in 9th april compak attack.
1.7 60ft ( 2115lbs with driver )
It was stock internal with bolt on ITB , header , race clutch , flywheel and hondata.

[EGB16A]

My money is on JDM yard! they can take on any NA nissan without an issue!

Since EGk20A is no more, i'd like to see this pulsar go head to head with BADHBT :honda: :D

[hebe]

the engine has gone into a the new crv :)

[Kawasaki]

man 2l's a min..... why? Not to put you down or anything but thats just crazy spending all that money and ending up with such a small amount of power

[TeMp]

man 2l's a min..... why? Not to put you down or anything but thats just crazy spending all that money and ending up with such a small amount of power

Its all about power to weight ratio mate.

[Kawasaki]

Its all about power to weight ratio mate.'

thats a no brainer, i drive a 800kg ef for that simpple reason, but he's burning 2l's of fuel a min and there are easier and more fuel efficient ways to make more power,

just my opinion

[tinkerbell]

but he's burning 2l's of fuel a min

well, the claim has been made that it is,

i would be interested to know how they came to the conclusion?

[blackdc2]

well, the claim has been made that it is,

i would be interested to know how they came to the conclusion?

car ran out of fuel after 20 mins? :p

[0098]

Id say hes exagerating. Maybe hes trying to say the cars burns alot of fuel, but doesnt exactly mean 2l a minute

[DannyB]

true that i had no idea the honda wasn't running but it still would have been nice too see, but yeah i'd love to see it up against the badhbt dc2.

[2MPRSS]

nissan n/a = waste of time=shit=honda wanabe=no chance again BADHBT=go buy a gtr

[0098]

gtr=its still a nissan=never pay that much for a nissan

[SiReal]

hey no need for haters guys...DannyB's been nice, hasn;t been arrogant. Lets try keep the nasty insensitive comments to ourselves.

Anyway, welcome DannyB. Good to see some other car brand drivers here. AFterall, its about sharing and learning isnt it?

[EGB16A]

hey no need for haters guys...DannyB's been nice, hasn;t been arrogant. Lets try keep the nasty insensitive comments to ourselves.

Anyway, welcome DannyB. Good to see some other car brand drivers here. AFterall, its about sharing and learning isnt it?


Its a honda forum.... as if he wasn't going to cop it from some, if not all members here :D

the same way we cop it on just about EVERY other forum

Besides, i think all the "insesitive" comments are just some friendly competition
:honda: :thumbsup:

[DannyB]

heheh no no i'm a Honda lover through and through (just looke at my profile <--------) .... it's just my mate who keeps tryin to prove me wrong heheh....but honestly i had no idea the k20a civic was no more, so i understand the comments!! i only posted the nissan because he does have a nice setup and since we're all car enthusiasts.

[tinkerbell]

i only posted the nissan because he does have a nice setup and since we're all car enthusiasts.

PICSORBAN!!!!!!

[[[d a n n y]]]

gtr=its still a nissan=never pay that much for a nissan

very stupid coment.

it's a better than your em1 with the same price. tag

[2MPRSS]

NOCOMP best plates ever

[StrawberryFace]

gtr=its still a nissan=never pay that much for a nissan

Your a tool.

[dc4t]

wats the point of going n/a with nissan to compete with honda n/a lol

[ALLMTR]

201kwatw.......right.........

What the hell happened to the K20a Civic?

[OLM-02R]

gone ages ago...

[ALLMTR]

Gone = ?

[[[d a n n y]]]

yeap engine sold to badhbt
buti hear theres some thing more..

i am thinking k24/k20 :D

[Civic Type R]

Rip his box off Yonus :D

[EG5]

Rip his box off Yonus :D

its Yonas dude LOL

[EG5]

mad props to whoever resposible for the NA pulsar, serious guys give the man some credits., atleast someone care to do up allmotor nissan.

egk20a is long gone and badhbt will be our new project. stay tuned.

[92DELSOL]

oh that makes me sad. i was in love with egk20a:(

[Felix]

Who would want a naturally aspirated Nissan??

[DannyB]

Somethin different though isn't it, good to see someone with big enough kahoonah's to do somethin against the grain!! Can't wait to see it in action actually.

[iamhappy46]

Hey Yonas,
Based on the MSN conversation the other day, I was under the impression that EGK20A was still up and running. Thought you couldn't make it to Summernationals because of work commitments...

ANYWAY, I am the owner of this monster SSS and if you guys bothered to read old posts, I have posted the specs of this car MONTHS AGO. B16A Vs SR20 was the topic thread...
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29154&page=4&pp=12

Lets just say this N/A Nissan spins thru 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears with 18" Zepters and Hankook Ventus K104 Sport tyres.

The car was built for track work / hill climb events and from a 60Km/h rolling start I OWNED a a HSV Coupe 4.

The 2L per minute of fuel is based on: At 9,600rpm when 4x550cc injectors have reached maximum safe duty cycle, so about 2L per minute... Anyone disagree??

PS: DannyB, I would have prefered it if you asked for permission to post this info elsewhere, although it is already on this site. Thanks mate.

[Steer^Gimic]

well done. id love to own a all motor sr20.












*bennjamin edit* For generalizing , you are a cheese-dick :wave:

[Kawasaki]

ANYWAY, I am the owner of this monster SSS and if you guys bothered to read old posts, I have posted the specs of this car MONTHS AGO. B16A Vs SR20 was the topic thread...
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29154&page=4&pp=12


your comparing a 2 ltr to a 1.6?

Props to you for your ride, your money and this is how you used it :thumbsup:

[EuroAccord13]

It's nice what you have done to the car and running those times in N/A form... Good Work!

[b13nx]

Who would want a naturally aspirated Nissan??

Well you may as well say 'Who would want a forced Honda??'. Props to anyone who puts in the hard yards to get performance out of their car, forced OR n/a :thumbsup:

[dc4t]

Well you may as well say 'Who would want a forced Honda??'. Props to anyone who puts in the hard yards to get performance out of their car, forced OR n/a :thumbsup:


yes but everyone knows vtec+turbo=sex

and only reason ppl are dissin him is bcoz his friend is comparing it to an eg k20 with nowhere near as much done.

but i hav to give him credit for doin something noone does. so much more impressive than boosted nissan. N/A all the way!!

[iamhappy46]

I can assure you all that my SR22VE cost less than a K20A motor conversion into a EG or DC2.

As far a N/A Nissan's go... what about the 200+Kw 350Z?!?! or 132Kw X-Trails?!?!

[Chi]

k20a + sr20xx = 4 cylinder

350z = V6

[online]

Sounds like a nice package, 103mph through the traps doesn't equate to 200kw to the wheels though. sorry but MPH means HP. Keep up the good work, we need more non Honda race cars out there. :thumbsup:

[dc4t]

I can assure you all that my SR22VE cost less than a K20A motor conversion into a EG or DC2.

As far a N/A Nissan's go... what about the 200+Kw 350Z?!?! or 132Kw X-Trails?!?!


naa not talkin about price... its about wats done compared to the k20. we all kno k20 halfcuts are so overpriced coz of the demand

[2MPRSS]

everthing u went through with ur engine it sounds tough, 201 kw is impressive but i believe the k20a will make that power with half of what you have done,egk20a had like 175 kw atw with basic mods nothing major

[spetz]

Even though I realise the topic startic as this Nissan compared to a K20A power Honda, but isn't a B20A compared to an SR20DE a much more accurate comparison?

[pillow]

B20A is a fair bit older than the SR20DE, also this dude has a neo vvl head (I think that's right) therefore they're totally different motors. A more realistic comparison may be a B20Z block with a VTEC head.

[dc4t]

]']very stupid coment.

it's a better than your em1 with the same price. tag


ur saying its better than his car based on wat?? bcoz its faster? :confused:

i guess ur talkin about the r32 bcoz u said "same price tag" well
its a late 80s, early 90s model car that ur comparing to a late 90s model car :rolleyes:

[spetz]

B20A is a fair bit older than the SR20DE, also this dude has a neo vvl head (I think that's right) therefore they're totally different motors. A more realistic comparison may be a B20Z block with a VTEC head.


B20A and SR20 are both from the 80's I thought?

Anyway of course I didn't mean a stock B20A against this SR, but rather a B20 with B16 VTEC heads and similar mods.

I mean, 200+kw atw from an na 4 cylinder is quite impressive, and surely if an SR20 is newer than a B20A so it's an unfair comparison, then what about the K20A being so much newer than a SR20.

With a 91mm stroke, and 86mm bore what capacity is the engine now?

[bennjamin]

B20A and SR20 are both from the 80's I thought?

Anyway of course I didn't mean a stock B20A against this SR, but rather a B20 with B16 VTEC heads and similar mods.

I mean, 200+kw atw from an na 4 cylinder is quite impressive, and surely if an SR20 is newer than a B20A so it's an unfair comparison, then what about the K20A being so much newer than a SR20.

With a 91mm stroke, and 86mm bore what capacity is the engine now?

the "earlier" early 90's and 80's version of the sr20 was the CA18T(sorry if wrong ) and then the FJ20 before.

a very basic quide of displacement for 91mm bore and 86mm stroke = 2.1 litre

[b13nx]

The SR20DE's were first released in the N14 Puslars in 91. 86mm x 86mm, bore and stroke.

The closest comparison to imhappy46's motor would be the K20A.

[b13nx]

everthing u went through with ur engine it sounds tough, 201 kw is impressive but i believe the k20a will make that power with half of what you have done,egk20a had like 175 kw atw with basic mods nothing major

Define basic? I find 175kw atw with basic mods very hard to believe. TODA suggest the following for 160kw:

High budget – best power delivery
#1 – Lightweight flywheel ( Or Hi-Power single clutch kit)
#2 – Heavy-duty clutch
#3 – Lower final drive
#4 – JDM Intake manifold + CAI only
#5 – Header + S2000 cat + cat-back system
#6 – Ported head / Spec C camshafts (or larger)/ valve springs/ Titanium retainers / adjustable cam gear - exhaust only / fuel pump / Forged pistons / Forged rods (For over 9000rpm) / injectors & fuel pressure regulator / ECU / dyno tuning / heavy duty engine mounts.
Nb: Additional head work that can/may need to be done includes shaving of rocker arms for cam clearance, re-shaping of valves, combustion chamber re-profiling.
Power output: 160+kw @ wheels (Dyno dynamics – shootout)
NB: Spec C camshafts, VTC function is retained.

[EG5]

Here is list of our mods to the old egk20a :
JDM k20a type R , TWM itb , ORC clutch + flywheel , hondata kpro , 2.5 inch exhaust, DTR header.
thats it.
Dynoed + tuned by toda au

[BADHBT]

whats goin on here?

ok same mods *minus* the ITB's
+ 3 inch exhaust = 140atw
same dyno
same tunner

[Q_ball]

]']shit box nissan.. lol

[spetz]

What power does the EGK20A put down anyway? In kw?

I mean, individual throttle bodies isn't really a "basic" mod...

And sure 86 X 86 is the same as a K20A but I was putting it into a year perspective. SR20 still has 10+ years over a K20A.

None the less, 13.2 quarter mile in the pulsar Vs 12.3 in the civic.
Take into account the weight difference, slicks Vs 18" Nankang tyres, and for sure the pulsar would have much taller gears than the civic. I mean just put those 18s on the civic and it would get a similar time anyway

I just don't see why people as so quick to be so defensive on Honda's behalf and demean Nissan so quickly. Honda's are great but Nissan pisses on Honda when it comes to straight line performance and I don't think you guys can handle that. I'm not saying all of you but I read some comments on Nissan being sh!t and I don't see how you guys can say that. I prefer Honda over Nissan as well, and with all honesty I am not a fan of Nissan and do think their cars are over rated but I would never put such comments down for the owner of this Nissan to read after he did such a great job.

I for one congratulate the effort of this Nissan owner and let him know I am extremely impressed with the car and respect his efforts.

Also who built the engine? Especially the cams etc?

[online]

Define basic? I find 175kw atw with basic mods very hard to believe. TODA suggest the following for 160kw:

High budget – best power delivery
#1 – Lightweight flywheel ( Or Hi-Power single clutch kit)
#2 – Heavy-duty clutch
#3 – Lower final drive
#4 – JDM Intake manifold + CAI only
#5 – Header + S2000 cat + cat-back system
#6 – Ported head / Spec C camshafts (or larger)/ valve springs/ Titanium retainers / adjustable cam gear - exhaust only / fuel pump / Forged pistons / Forged rods (For over 9000rpm) / injectors & fuel pressure regulator / ECU / dyno tuning / heavy duty engine mounts.
Nb: Additional head work that can/may need to be done includes shaving of rocker arms for cam clearance, re-shaping of valves, combustion chamber re-profiling.
Power output: 160+kw @ wheels (Dyno dynamics – shootout)
NB: Spec C camshafts, VTC function is retained.

and 200kw atw from a SR20DE is easy to believe! hmmm :rolleyes:

[T-onedc2]

.........Honda's are great but Nissan pisses on Honda when it comes to straight line performance and I don't think you guys can handle that.......
I think you forgot to add the little "IMO" after that. If you really think about it, compare apples with apples, NA vs NA, Honda > Nissan. IMO!:)

[[[d a n n y]]]

ur saying its better than his car based on wat?? bcoz its faster? :confused:

i guess ur talkin about the r32 bcoz u said "same price tag" well
its a late 80s, early 90s model car that ur comparing to a late 90s model car :rolleyes:

well since it's a overall better car
that's why it's held it's value.
fast is only 1 thing it's better
it's got better handling.
better creature comfort.
better in any ways well should i say except for the fuel consumption.

[iamhappy46]

And sure 86 X 86 is the same as a K20A but I was putting it into a year perspective. SR20 still has 10+ years over a K20A.

None the less, 13.2 quarter mile in the pulsar Vs 12.3 in the civic.
Take into account the weight difference, slicks Vs 18" Nankang tyres, and for sure the pulsar would have much taller gears than the civic. I mean just put those 18s on the civic and it would get a similar time anyway
...
Also who built the engine? Especially the cams etc?

I have a Pulsar VZ-R SR16VE race box that was built for a JDM race car, the owner wrote the car off at the track prior to fitment and I picked it up really cheap. Changing gears at 9,600rpm and the next gear engages at 7200rpm.

I had the engine prep'd by a local, my Dad(an ex-bathurst driver and qualified mechanic) and I performed the original engine assembly. I was responsible for tuning it but was limited by factory AFM and the ECU I was using. 142Kw@treads was the 13.24second quarter. Since then, I have had some problems mechanically and also with my left ankle(broken) so not been to the track since. The engine has been freshened up with new billet cams to suit the engine and gearbox(best power between 7000 and 9600rpm), some other smal changes and a new ECU to run the ITB's. 201KW@treads is the new baseline and I am FULLY aware that there is more power in it, even with 98 octance pump fuel.


Sounds like a nice package, 103mph through the traps doesn't equate to 200kw to the wheels though. sorry but MPH means HP. Keep up the good work, we need more non Honda race cars out there. :thumbsup:

Check the first post: 13.24@103mph = 142Kw@treads

Everbody else:
91mm stroke x 86.5mm bore(oversize factory pistons) = 2124cc

The motor is running Nissan engine components except for Crank, big end bearings, camshafts and valve springs...

I have a video of the SSS doing a 0~180Km/h sprint which will show you what your all dealing with ;) Post a link up when it finishes uploading.

-- -- --
Vids of a STANDARD Nissan X-Trail GT

CVT Auto in 2nd Gear
http://www.users.on.net/~noelsilv/au...rail_GT_2.mpeg
CVT Auto in Drive
http://www.users.on.net/~noelsilv/au...rail_GT_D.mpeg
Notice in drive it does the 0~100Km/h sprint in under 6 seconds

[dc4t]

[QUOTE=spetz]Honda's are great but Nissan pisses on Honda when it comes to straight line performance and I don't think you guys can handle that.[QUOTE]

omg ur a knob.. yes a BOOSTED nissan pisses on honda in straight line, but a N/A nissan has no chance..

[pillow]

I mean, individual throttle bodies isn't really a "basic" mod...



Bolt on mod;) EGK20A was unopened, imagine what it could have done with some new internals etc:)

[spetz]

I guess every Honda owners excuse is that it has no turbo...
But in the end of the day both Nissan and Honda are a japanese car and are competitors. Why are people so quick to point out that Nissan is quicker because it has a turbo, but when an NA honda is quicker than another NA car, it means Honda is the best and any other car is sh!t? A lot of you guys, and I am not saying everyone, but a lot really have your mind made up and nothing can change it. Whatever helps you guys sleep with your Honda in the garage...

iamhappy46,
Who did the cams? Your dad as well? How did you guys figure out what spec cams are the best to put in? And how is the car around the city? When do the cams swap over from low to high?

Pillow,
Yeah, quad throttles are a bolt on mod but in almost all cases it needs a full standalone ECU, and quads aren't good for street driving. Surely it can be driven on the street but it's the kind of mod that is making the car closer to a race car. And if this nissan has quad TB's on top of it's 201kw atw it will be a monster! Not that it isn't already...



In the end of the day all I am trying to say is that there really is no need for people to diss iamhappy's car just because it's not a Honda

[dc4t]

I guess every Honda owners excuse is that it has no turbo...
But in the end of the day both Nissan and Honda are a japanese car and are competitors. Why are people so quick to point out that Nissan is quicker because it has a turbo, but when an NA honda is quicker than another NA car, it means Honda is the best and any other car is sh!t? A lot of you guys, and I am not saying everyone, but a lot really have your mind made up and nothing can change it. Whatever helps you guys sleep with your Honda in the garage...

iamhappy46,
Who did the cams? Your dad as well? How did you guys figure out what spec cams are the best to put in? And how is the car around the city? When do the cams swap over from low to high?

Pillow,
Yeah, quad throttles are a bolt on mod but in almost all cases it needs a full standalone ECU, and quads aren't good for street driving. Surely it can be driven on the street but it's the kind of mod that is making the car closer to a race car. And if this nissan has quad TB's on top of it's 201kw atw it will be a monster! Not that it isn't already...



In the end of the day all I am trying to say is that there really is no need for people to diss iamhappy's car just because it's not a Honda


lol dude noone said honda was the best.. the reason ppl love honda is bcoz.. for wat they r, they are frieken quick. awesome built engines that put out good power and offer awesome fuel efficiency. that is all. u gotta rememeber ur on a honda forum so of course everyones gona stick up for honda so u puttin honda down doesnt get u anywhere

[pillow]

You're on a Honda forum Spetz...what the **** do you expect? Sure quads aren't really for street driving (they can be with an airbox enclosing them) but the car already had a 'standalone' ecu, so it's not a major omg mod such as new internals;) Side by side, look at which one has more work, and purely for that reason, the Pulsar will probably be quicker. Like someone else in thread has already said - Apples and Oranges my friend, the only things common to both these cars is 2L, FWD and No Turbo lol.


:) :)

[FR33K]

woahhh so much rubbish in this thread.. its funny.. b20 vs k20 vs sr20 vs 350z vs b16 vs SSS vs honda vs nissan vs na vs turbo vs CA18T

[iamhappy46]

iamhappy46,
Who did the cams? Your dad as well? How did you guys figure out what spec cams are the best to put in? And how is the car around the city? When do the cams swap over from low to high?

In the end of the day all I am trying to say is that there really is no need for people to diss iamhappy's car just because it's not a Honda

I think the problem here is that Honda's have been at the top of the ALL MOTOR TREE for a long time and that to have a Nissan come along to take that glory is rathering... frightening? if that is the right word here?!?! I am even considering taking the ITB's off as the SR16VE N1 intake manifold was not much of a restriction with my old setup but rather the AFM killing flow.

I am not sure what the plans for BADHBT are but if the K20 needs to be cracked open to post times similiar times to what I will be in a few months, then will that make it fair??

Spetz: My step-brother works in Japan. He had a mate of his Tetsu, who works for a major Japanese performance house grind the cams. I gave him all my engine details, the power band I wanted and he sent these over for testing.
NEO VVL allows for independant changing of I&E camshafts, so the engine is smooth and tractable. Intake cam changes first followed by exhaust cam. Exact specs are a trade secret.

I guess the strip is the only place to settle this when I post a low 12 second quarter. Feel free to show up at WSID for Summernationals ;)

[sivic]

ITBs are great for street driving/low rpm performance. just cos they're good for high rpm doesnt mean they're not good for low rpm.
only prob would be the noise but from what i see/hear thats not an issue for most ppl driving modified cars.
but anyway, very impressive to get such power from an NA SR20, although perhaps overly confidant. not to say you wont post low 12's( cos you prob will) but wait till its done b4 saying it and before the "glory" is already claimed;)
as far as the top of the FWD NA tree goes..... until something other than a honda starts touching the times seen in the states......

[pillow]

ITBs are great for street driving/low rpm performance. just cos they're good for high rpm doesnt mean they're not good for low rpm.
only prob would be the noise but from what i see/hear thats not an issue for most ppl driving modified cars.
but anyway, very impressive to get such power from an NA SR20, although perhaps overly confidant. not to say you wont post low 12's( cos you prob will) but wait till its done b4 saying it and before the "glory" is already claimed;)
as far as the top of the FWD NA tree goes..... until something other than a honda starts touching the times seen in the states......

Well said:) Not many NA nissan or mitsubishis running 6s 7s or 8s;)

[Non Vtec]

well if your talking about cammed K20A's like Z10-EG5's one well my EG civic ran 11.30 @ 119mph with basically the indentical mods to EGK20A just with cams added and abit lighter.. it made almost 190wkw..
Now with pistons and rods done I hope to see it run in the 10's.. And my car is built with off the shelf parts in my shed on the farm even...

[spetz]

But isn't that just a popularity contest? I mean, look at this Pulsar, had to have custom cams made from japan... which basically goes to show how much effort it would take to get a quick NA Nissan, in comparison to just ticking a checklist to get a quick NA Honda.
And in the end of the day Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota have all just chosen a different route for making power, and all manufacturers offer a VTEC type of alternative but there simply is no aftermarket for them. Put simply, you want a quick Civc, you put a VTEC with mods in it, turbo maybe etc, you want a quick Pulsar, you put and SR20DET, you want a quick Lancer, you put a 4G63T. But for sure if you want a quick NA car, you buy a Honda.

All I am trying to say is that a lot of people could show more respect to cars other than Honda. And a few of you said this is a Honda forum, what do I expect, well I've been on other car manufacturer forums and it's nowhere near this bad.
Although Nissan boys are up themselves I guess :D

[Non Vtec]

I respect any fast N/A cars, Honda's and Mazda's tend to be the ones noticed the most though. Although in NZ we had a Nissan NXcoupe in street trim run 12.1 @ 112mph with a slightly worked SR20DE it is being tube chassised at the moment, i'm talking to the engineers on the wheelie bars and rear suspension for it at the track on sunday.. They aim to run 10's in it so its gonna be a good machine..

If I really wanted a quick FWD I would probably go for a Misti Atsi coupe and install a 4G63T in it, if guys can make 1000whp from them thats a damn good starting base..

[j-specAccord]

man the good ol Honda VS Nissan debate. a very funny read...

"nissans NA are crap, honda NA rules"
yeah i agree that nissan should stick to what they good at which is boost, but the fact that a nissan driver has put this much work into his car so he can compete with some of the top honda NA's is impressive. IMO its good to see all motor competitors that arent honda even if he's done all that work. he's up there nonetheless.
i am a honda lover like 99.9% of ppl on this site and honda will IMO always dominate the all motor class, i mean look at the comparison the EGK20A's internals were untouched. at the end of the day all i want to say is honda keep that VTEC coming and nissan... stick to your hair driers

[spetz]

Non Vtec, there are some 4G63's making 2000whp as well in drag dedicated cars.
But yeah, in a FWD application a 4G63 could make huge power on stock internals. An asti is just a lancer by the way.


j-specaccord,
I think you have to also take into account that honda engines were designed for NA use and therefore have internals to match. Put simply, a stock Honda engine can't handle much boost at all, where as a stock nissan engine could handle way more boost. So the engines were designed for different uses, and one does one thing better than the other. And a K20A comes in a "sport" Honda. Realistically, besides the NSX and S2000, the ITR is Honda's best car. I read and think that a K20A is better than the F series, so this is the BEST 4 cylinder Honda has to offer, in the 3rd best car Honda has to offer, against an SR20DE, in a pulsar, and this pulsar came with this engine, not a 10 year old light chassis with a brand new engine conversion

[TAKEN]

The car looks like it will alot of potential and it's great to see non Honda and Rotary ALL MOTOR cars comong out, keeps things interesting! Now to cut all the bulls*it lets see it on the track and running some stout MPH so we can tell if it really makes power, On the track no one can hide in front of a computer! Good luck with it all.

[dc4t]

Non Vtec, there are some 4G63's making 2000whp as well in drag dedicated cars.
But yeah, in a FWD application a 4G63 could make huge power on stock internals. An asti is just a lancer by the way.


j-specaccord,
I think you have to also take into account that honda engines were designed for NA use and therefore have internals to match. Put simply, a stock Honda engine can't handle much boost at all, where as a stock nissan engine could handle way more boost. So the engines were designed for different uses, and one does one thing better than the other. And a K20A comes in a "sport" Honda. Realistically, besides the NSX and S2000, the ITR is Honda's best car. I read and think that a K20A is better than the F series, so this is the BEST 4 cylinder Honda has to offer, in the 3rd best car Honda has to offer, against an SR20DE, in a pulsar, and this pulsar came with this engine, not a 10 year old light chassis with a brand new engine conversion

ok dude lol.. the quickest n/a honda in the world does a 9.4, powered by a k20a and guess wat car it is in.. a DC5R

u hav really wierd ways of comparing things i mean its only in the pulsar bcoz both the engine and car are 10yrs old.

end of the day if u do the same amount of work to a k20 thats done to the sr20 pulsar whether its in the civic or integra the k20 will always come out on top

how bout u wait for the BADHBT project to be completed and see how this pulsar goes up against that

[spetz]

The 9 second DC5, how much did it weigh though? Probably less than a gutted EG hatch.

And it just brings back on my other post that the K20A was built with NA power intentions, SR20 wasn't.
Realistically, this Pulsar doesn't have THAT much work done to it. It has a lot but things were replaced on that engine because Nissan never intended it to be a monster of an NA engine. They after all used turbo for power. Honda's were built for NA and don't need as many things replaced

Anyway, all of my posting wasn't to say that Honda isn't good, I mentioned Honda is the best for NA power, I was just trying to stop people demeaning this Pulsar driver just because it wasn't a Honda

[pillow]

The fact of the matter spetz, is that the title of the post is 'a pulsar to rival egk20a!!' when clearly they arew two different cars:) I don't think people were 'demeaning' this guy, they were just stating the the facts (or however they want to put it lol) and the fact is, these two cars are pretty much nothing alike lol.

:thumbsup: to this guy with the pulsar, I'd love to see it run one day
:thumbsup: to JDMYard for what they did with EGK20A
:thumbsup: to anyone who wants to play around with N/A four cylinders

I think it's time this thread got locked down, it's going around in circles lol, people can read the thread and if they want to ask questions - PM the owner:) Otherwise, let's just all wait till it runs down the quarter with its new setup:)

peace out:wave:

[EG5]

well if your talking about cammed K20A's like Z10-EG5's one well my EG civic ran 11.30 @ 119mph with basically the indentical mods to EGK20A just with cams added and abit lighter.. it made almost 190wkw..
Now with pistons and rods done I hope to see it run in the 10's.. And my car is built with off the shelf parts in my shed on the farm even...

Home build :thumbsup:

[showpony]

Ha ha yonas gotta love JDM yard home build. Should be interesting when BADHBT starts racing, lol after tonights ride i know this car is fast. Might see another car out there sometime in the near future too;) .

[dc4t]

The 9 second DC5, how much did it weigh though? Probably less than a gutted EG hatch.

And it just brings back on my other post that the K20A was built with NA power intentions, SR20 wasn't.
Realistically, this Pulsar doesn't have THAT much work done to it. It has a lot but things were replaced on that engine because Nissan never intended it to be a monster of an NA engine. They after all used turbo for power. Honda's were built for NA and don't need as many things replaced

Anyway, all of my posting wasn't to say that Honda isn't good, I mentioned Honda is the best for NA power, I was just trying to stop people demeaning this Pulsar driver just because it wasn't a Honda


lol yeh of course it weighed less than the eg... but yeh u cant stick up for the pulsar bcoz if u think about it. if a honda fan had went onto the nissan site saying they hav a car to compete with one of their best cars the honda woulda been attacked 50 times worse and yet here noones really payin out the car they r stating the obvious

[spetz]

Ok, lets just agree that everyone is making valid points.
And as a final post in this from me (hopefully! ;) ) lets all try to respect each others cars and be polite to each other... unless they drive Holdens or something! ;)

[sivic]

haha. word:)

[pillow]

unless they drive Holdens or something! ;)

What's wrong with Holdens lol? Damn mitsubishi people hating on everyone:p j/k man

[todaek9]

what's wrong with holden? apparently they love to bullied Honda, just like me previous car...but yea, they picked the wrong one to mess with...hahaha...

[ALLMTR]

I aint getting into the Honda > anything bit of this but I HIGHLY doubt your NA Sr is making over 200kw........HIGHLY doubt it

[Weq]

The 9 second DC5, how much did it weigh though? Probably less than a gutted EG hatch.

And it just brings back on my other post that the K20A was built with NA power intentions, SR20 wasn't.


Umm yes it was.... the NEO VVL came in 2l and 1.6l as a direct competitor.

[spetz]

I never heard of a 2L VVL
I always knew of the 1.6 which made 147kw??

[Non Vtec]

the quickest N/A FWD is the K24-20hybrid DC2 of skunk 2 not the DC5, it weighs 1650lbs on the track i beleive..

[shmivic]

lol
needs weight reduction

lmfao needs honda engine!

[GaryD]

ok dude lol.. the quickest n/a honda in the world does a 9.4, powered by a k20a and guess wat car it is in.. a DC5R

u hav really wierd ways of comparing things i mean its only in the pulsar bcoz both the engine and car are 10yrs old.

end of the day if u do the same amount of work to a k20 thats done to the sr20 pulsar whether its in the civic or integra the k20 will always come out on top

how bout u wait for the BADHBT project to be completed and see how this pulsar goes up against that

You don't seem to have a great grasp on what this engine is about. The sr**ve engines are a fairly new design only produced in the late 90s. What difference does it matter anyway, lots of people put b and k engines into older honda chasis. From what I understand the block is a DE with the VE n1 head on top with custom oil lines for the neovvl (vtec) activation. You make yourself look silly when you post about stuff that you have no idea about. My fairly stock sr20ve engine makes about 118wkw but needs better tuning. The only power adders really are the ecu and exhaust.

Why is there such negativity about a nissan making good power. Why is there so much animosity between members of this site and nissans. When I read about egk20a i thought, wow thats awesome ill go check it out. There are plenty of people in the states making over 160wkw with n1 cams on stock sr20ve engines with much fewer mods, its not hard to believe guys.

Im sure chuck had many doubters and people asking him whether it was worthwhile to put the k20 into his old civic.

Maybe wait till its run, then you can have your say, but i wouldnt be so quick to judge.

[pillow]

There are plenty of people in the states making over 160wkw with n1 cams on stock sr20ve engines with much fewer mods, its not hard to believe guys.


USA dyno's don't read the same as Aussie ones:)

[j-specAccord]

why is there so much negativity? my guess would be nissan drivers generalise us as ricers and most of them think hondas are shitboxes, honestly i get alot of haters most of who drive either nissans or aussie built cars. i have no negativity against the engine or what this SR is capable of but rather the excessive rivalry between brand enthusiasts. cant we all get along and proclaim honda as the best built cars in the world ( :cool: lol). it doesnt really phase me at all because there is rivalry in everything... and our scene is constantly competitive and so are nissan lovers and honda lovers

[dc4t]

You don't seem to have a great grasp on what this engine is about. The sr**ve engines are a fairly new design only produced in the late 90s. What difference does it matter anyway, lots of people put b and k engines into older honda chasis. From what I understand the block is a DE with the VE n1 head on top with custom oil lines for the neovvl (vtec) activation. You make yourself look silly when you post about stuff that you have no idea about. My fairly stock sr20ve engine makes about 118wkw but needs better tuning. The only power adders really are the ecu and exhaust.

Why is there such negativity about a nissan making good power. Why is there so much animosity between members of this site and nissans. When I read about egk20a i thought, wow thats awesome ill go check it out. There are plenty of people in the states making over 160wkw with n1 cams on stock sr20ve engines with much fewer mods, its not hard to believe guys.

Im sure chuck had many doubters and people asking him whether it was worthwhile to put the k20 into his old civic.

Maybe wait till its run, then you can have your say, but i wouldnt be so quick to judge.


wtf man.. i never mentioned anything about an sr20ve.. im talkin about the sr20de and that was replyin to wat spetz said so read properly before makin comments like dat. fact of the matter is he only changed the head right? so the block is still sr20de

anndd i never said it was a problem to put a newer engine into an older chassis.. thats wat spetz brought up as defense for the pulsar

and obviously only reason ppl are doubtin those nissans makin power is bcoz its N/A nissan

[ALLMTR]

My "negativity" is at the power claim. My B20vtec made 124kwatw. H and K motors seem to get to 150 to 160kwatw with a bit of work. Over 200 is a BIG claim. A claim the MPH doesn't back up....

[GaryD]

My sr20ve would probably make 124kw _stock_ if i could be stuffed getting the powerfc tuned correctly.

The mph was run when he had around 140wkw afaik

[ALLMTR]

The mph was run when he had around 140wkw afaik

That sounds about right. 140 is a truckload away from 200 tho

[2MPRSS]

so when is this running? we wana see how a n/a sr20 goes so make sure u update us with a 1/4 mile time so noone here thinks ur bullshiting about having 200 kw good luck

[EG5]

we run 106mph with 140ish kw

[online]

Like i said before, MPH does not lie!

[GaryD]

Like i said before, MPH does not lie!

Agreed, one way to find out :)

[tinkerbell]

i was running 101mph with 122kW and was running a stock crank, stock rods, OEM camshafts, stock block, OEM flywheel, OEM intake manifold, OEMN plenum, OEM gearbox with no LSD,

so a Nissan with all that work to the engine should be able to nail some pretty decent MPH...

with a claimed 200kW ATW you would expect very low 12's if the driver can drive...

[iamhappy46]

GaryD is right, the VE motors are much better than their DE counterparts. The Tomei crank is used to give higher rpm, increased torque + capacity over the DE/VE items. I used DET rods which can safely support 400Hp because I did not have any DE rods that were straight ;)
Basically the rest of the motor is only mildly modified. Would a K20A make the sort of power my SR is making with a 2124cc bottom end, increased compression and camshafts?

As spetz said in post #94, the SR16VE makes 147Kw@fly from the factory. With compression, capacity, revs and cams improved upon, the power potential is there!

I can definitely drive and I already have a video of a 0~200Km/h run(on 18's + street tyres) along a local 'private road' that would put EGK20A to shame.

[tinkerbell]

I can definitely drive and I already have a video of a 0~200Km/h run(on 18's + street tyres) along a local 'private road' that would put EGK20A to shame.

oh oh oh!!

please post vids of your timed 1/4 mile run at a drag strip!

please please please! :wave:

[EG5]

Video of egk20a http://www.k20a.org/z10/MOV01646.MPG

my 12.886 runs , 1.9 60ft with street tyres and stock IM ;) , s14 with front mount , exhaust , intake etc on the other side.

I will post my 12.3@109mph runs soon.

[tinkerbell]

i've got a mate who is a memeber of the pulsar group of australia website and he has just informed me about an n14 sss pulsar that is starting to come good in the drag curcuit here's his specs!

BTW - just for sake of clarification.

what *car* are we discussing here?

yours iamhappy91, or DannyB's mates?

or is it one and the same?


also - GaryD, Chuck never raced with a K20 in a Civic.

[dc4t]

As spetz said in post #94, the SR16VE makes 147Kw@fly from the factory. With compression, capacity, revs and cams improved upon, the power potential is there!

dude r u tryna make up lies to intimidate us or something :confused:
:thumbdwn:

this is off actual nissan forums from the states:

SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR20VE - 187hp @ 7000rpm / 145lb torque @ 6000rpm
SR20VET - 276hp @ 6400rpm / 228lb torque @ 3200rpm (awd turbo)

that doesnt look like 147kw to me :rolleyes:

the sr20ve doesnt even put out as much power as a b18c!!! :rolleyes:

[T-onedc2]

dude r u tryna make up lies to intimidate us or something :confused:
:thumbdwn:

this is off actual nissan forums from the states:

SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR20VE - 187hp @ 7000rpm / 145lb torque @ 6000rpm
SR20VET - 276hp @ 6400rpm / 228lb torque @ 3200rpm (awd turbo)

and all these engines were made late 90s

the sr20ve doesnt even put out as much power as a b18c!!! :rolleyes:
At last some accurate stats on the SRXXVE engines.

[tinkerbell]

more info on SR's

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/nissan_sr_engine1

[iamhappy46]

Accurate stats on the VE engine are actually here:
http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/caniva/SRVE.htm

or for a comparison of the EK9 Civic Type R Vs N15 Pulsar VZ-R N1...
http://asia.vtec.net/side/ek9vzr/index.html

The car will also have onboard video at Summernationals, WSID.

[tinkerbell]

Accurate stats on the VE engine are actually here:


accurate in that it correctly refers to the 147kW engine as an N1 engine?

[2MPRSS]

dude r u tryna make up lies to intimidate us or something :confused:
:thumbdwn:

this is off actual nissan forums from the states:

SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR20VE - 187hp @ 7000rpm / 145lb torque @ 6000rpm
SR20VET - 276hp @ 6400rpm / 228lb torque @ 3200rpm (awd turbo)

that doesnt look like 147kw to me :rolleyes:

the sr20ve doesnt even put out as much power as a b18c!!! :rolleyes:

when the integra type R came out It had the highest horsepower per litre (at 108) of any production car so sit on this:thumbsup: and rotate in my opinion sr20 is a bitch engine compared to b18c and here you are still trying to blow away a preety much stock k20a

[dc4t]

Accurate stats on the VE engine are actually here:
http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/caniva/SRVE.htm

or for a comparison of the EK9 Civic Type R Vs N15 Pulsar VZ-R N1...
http://asia.vtec.net/side/ek9vzr/index.html

The car will also have onboard video at Summernationals, WSID.

lol dude y would u bring that up :confused: its not helping ur side of the argument. the civic is rated faster overall.. the n1 may hav a quicker quarter but if u read the civic has better 0-100 times and 0-150 times and it puts out less power!! and it only has a slower 0-180 coz its governed. so once again n/a nissan is fallin to hondas feet :p

"Many automotive enthusiasts lament over the fact that Nissan is only going to make 200 N1 VZ-R's. Added to the fact that the N1 VZ-R costs around $5,000 more than the Type R Civic, it makes for a bunch of disappointed Nissan fans."

as it states.. basically a limited edition

dont the new sentra se-r's have the sr20ve? over in the states. coz ive got a video of one against a dc5 type s. both stock cars adn the sentra gets killed

[GaryD]

How many different VE motors are there?
There are five (5) VE motors.
SR16VE - 173hp 5 speed Manual 97-2001
SR16VE N1 - 197hp 5 speed Manual 97-98
SR20VE - 187hp CVT 6 speed Auto 97-2001
SR20VE - 204hp 6 speed Manual 2001-Present
SR20VET - 276hp AWD Turbo 2002-Present

How much power does the VE have?
SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR16VE N1 - 197hp @ 7800rpm / 134lb torque @ 7600rpm
SR20VE - 187hp @ 7000rpm / 145lb torque @ 6000rpm
SR20VET - 276hp @ 6400rpm / 228lb torque @ 3200rpm

-----------
The sentras never had a ve standard... It would be a 2.5l engine or sr20de. Or if it could have a VE swapped in.

Have a look at the BMI n1 vs ctr, then n1 vs spoon ctr (i think its a spoon car). Probably not the greatest race ever because its raining and they are fooling around
http://www.pulsar.org.au/multimedia/VZRvTYPER.avi

[b13nx]

when the integra type R came out It had the highest horsepower per litre (at 108) of any production car so sit on this:thumbsup: and rotate
Well in 1997/98 the SR16VE N1 had 197hp, equating to 123hp/L :wave:

[2MPRSS]

Well in 1997/98 the SR16VE N1 had 197hp, equating to 123hp/L :wave:

yes again honda was front of other motoring groups first with there bikes and then with there car engines,so it took nissan 2 years later to achieve that and didnt sumone say the N1 was only a limited edition?

[dc4t]

yes again honda was front of other motoring groups first with there bikes and then with there car engines,so it took nissan 2 years later to achieve that and didnt sumone say the N1 was only a limited edition?


haha yep :p and hondas f20c produced 123hp/l as well. correct?

n that 197hp was still slower than the civic type r (b16b) with 185hp :thumbdwn: to nissan once again

[iamhappy46]

But that was a Honda website... of course it is going to write a crap review and I am sure all of you Honda guys would write a similiar article! I only put it in to prove how biased Honda drivers really are!!

The fact of the matter is: Every single Japanese car magazine reviewer praised the VZ-R N1 Pulsar and consistently got quicker times for 0~100, 0~180, 0~400m and 0~1000m against the EK Type R.

[todaek9]

EK9, is known as the Fastest FWD production car in 1.6 categories in the world if i'm not mistaken..u mean that the pulsar has taken over the place?

there goes again...comparing a 2.0 with a small lil 1.6...why must this always happen..hahaha...but wait, is the pulsar 1.6 as well??..hmmm...

[dc4t]

But that was a Honda website... of course it is going to write a crap review and I am sure all of you Honda guys would write a similiar article! I only put it in to prove how biased Honda drivers really are!!

The fact of the matter is: Every single Japanese car magazine reviewer praised the VZ-R N1 Pulsar and consistently got quicker times for 0~100, 0~180, 0~400m and 0~1000m against the EK Type R.


dude wat do u expect ppl to say "go nissan".. and ur on a honda site tryna compete with a stockish k20 lol cmon...

and nissan drivers are just as biased as honda drivers are!!!! im sure toyota drivers are biased towards toyotas as well! not to mention mazda drivers etc

every single jap car magazine??? plz prove ur statement. show me quotes from EVERY SINGLE magazine lol i bet u read like 1 or 2 magazines in which the reviewers were nissan biased.

by the way those acceleration times at the bottom of the page on the link u posted before. hav a look: "Here are some times from a test run by BestCar"



look im not sayin the n1 pulsar is a bad car. i am actually impressed by the n1 pulsar and would love to own one, infact i never knew it existed till today but wat ur tryna say is n/a nissan has overtaken honda right??

[v3ctourist]

dude wat do u expect ppl to say "go nissan".. and ur on a honda site tryna compete with a stockish k20 lol cmon...

He didn't post this here to start with. He's building quite the respectable SR20 by Nissan terms, and the easiest comparison he can make with another engine of closest similarity is with the EGK20A. I'm sure he didn't intend to start a shitfight.



and nissan drivers are just as biased as honda drivers are!!!! im sure toyota drivers are biased towards toyotas as well! not to mention mazda drivers etc

I'm not. I drive a Nissan.

Not everyone is bias - granted, some/probably most drivers are. But wouldn't you like to try and ignore such bias and get down to some healthy competition? It's pretty amazing what can be learnt from people who have knowledge in other car manufacturers way of doing things - when your not trying to tear their head off.


but wat ur tryna say is n/a nissan has overtaken honda right??
From what I can gather, thats not the point at all. The 'point' (for lack of a better word) is that a pulsar driver has an SR20 that rivals some VTEC engines.
By Nissan standards, this is pretty impressive. By your standards, maybe not so impressive. Perhaps if some users here saw past their Honda-Nissan bias, they would have realised that.

[EG5]

I can definitely drive and I already have a video of a 0~200Km/h run(on 18's + street tyres) along a local 'private road' that would put EGK20A to shame.

What is the point of you saying this :confused:
Not trying to create more arguments here , but all this talk is useless without you backing up with your time slip. I wanna see how fast it can do down the 1/4 mile.

[pillow]

0-200km/h on a 'private road':rolleyes: ? That's just ****ing stupid, and people wonder why the public don't like the modded car community.


From what I see. EGK20A has the runs on the board. Get your car tuned, run some times, then come back and talk:)

[dc4t]

He didn't post this here to start with. He's building quite the respectable SR20 by Nissan terms, and the easiest comparison he can make with another engine of closest similarity is with the EGK20A. I'm sure he didn't intend to start a shitfight.


I'm not. I drive a Nissan.

Not everyone is bias - granted, some/probably most drivers are. But wouldn't you like to try and ignore such bias and get down to some healthy competition? It's pretty amazing what can be learnt from people who have knowledge in other car manufacturers way of doing things - when your not trying to tear their head off.


From what I can gather, thats not the point at all. The 'point' (for lack of a better word) is that a pulsar driver has an SR20 that rivals some VTEC engines.
By Nissan standards, this is pretty impressive. By your standards, maybe not so impressive. Perhaps if some users here saw past their Honda-Nissan bias, they would have realised that.

lol ok thank u for answering for him. i am honda biased but still love other cars, bmw, merc, nissan, mazda so on.. i do find his car pretty impressive but i just dont get y hes tryna single out egk20 and sayin things like "put his car to shame" wtf is with that.. thats not friendly competition. and yes i hav learnt alot about nissan n/a from this thread and would like to learn more

[dc4t]

ohh btw.. didnt the egk20 run a 12.8 without the itb's??

[GaryD]

Dc4t: You're not only Honda biased you're also niave and lack any facts to base an argument upon. If you looked at the thread starter it wasn't iamhappy46 who posted this up.

Its not about who has the most modifications, its should be more about who has spent less. If you looked at an average price for a k20a it would probably be fairly similar outlays, seeing as iamhappy46 hasnt paid for mechanics.

[EG5]

ohh btw.. didnt the egk20 run a 12.8 without the itb's??

12.886 without ITB. And it was done without slicks too.

[iamhappy46]

It is a private road, to be exact a hotmix driveway at my mates farm in Coramba, about 700m long. No onroad stupidity for me... the SSS has already been in police impound for sh!t I did not do.

I was just pointing out the fact that my 0~200K(0~123Miles) time is 15 seconds with my OLD setup.

[2MPRSS]

i too never heard of the n1 SR engine till yesterday

[Kawasaki]

Dc4t:Its not about who has the most modifications, its should be more about who has spent less. If you looked at an average price for a k20a it would probably be fairly similar outlays, seeing as iamhappy46 hasnt paid for mechanics.

Fact is the k20 in egk20a was stock and running 12's and has way more potential than the sr20, who cares if he didnt spend as much because he got some work done for free?

[sivic]

this is just stupid. we've got proven times vs speculation.
until the pulsar actually runs a time with the current setup this thread is going nowhere

[dc4t]

Dc4t: You're not only Honda biased you're also niave and lack any facts to base an argument upon. If you looked at the thread starter it wasn't iamhappy46 who posted this up.

Its not about who has the most modifications, its should be more about who has spent less. If you looked at an average price for a k20a it would probably be fairly similar outlays, seeing as iamhappy46 hasnt paid for mechanics.


wtf r u talkin about dude... i lack facts? i think i already stated before i only found out about these VE nissan engines wen this thread was brought out. just bcoz u r fighting a losing battle u try n pick at my knowledge.. i drive a honda and know the potential of a k20. fact of the matter is that the egk20 has got less work done than ur friend and yet its only "possible" that ur friend could get similar times. go tell ur friend to run his car and both of u's stop talkin shit until then

[joyride]

i bet you all takumis car (group A 4age) would rip anyone [/sarcasm]

[iamhappy46]

http://www.sr20forum.com/archive/index.php/t-18317.html

*cough cough*
Bottom of first post ;)
12.8 with bolt ons for a SR20VE, in 2002
*cough cough*

[tinkerbell]

What kind of 1/4 mile time can I expect with an SR20VE?
Average 1/4 mile times for a full interior SR20VE powered SE-R are 13.8 - 14.2. Forum member "bigtom (http://www.sr20deforum.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2028)" currently has the fastest known SR20VE running a 12.8!!

are you saying that that is YOUR car????

[iamhappy46]

Tinkerbell: No, not my car but is proof of what the 'bolt-on' only mods to an SR20VE are capable of. Note that it is a Sentra SE-R in full street trim and the Sentra is a land whale!

Also keep in mind, that this run was done over 3 years ago...

[SPEEDCORE]

i bet you all takumis car (group A 4age) would rip anyone [/sarcasm]

DA 86 CAN NEVA LOSE! PHEAR! :p

*Grabs popcorn and sits back to watch this one*

[tinkerbell]

Tinkerbell: No, not my car but is proof of what the 'bolt-on' only mods to an SR20VE are capable of. Note that it is a Sentra SE-R in full street trim and the Sentra is a land whale!

Also keep in mind, that this run was done over 3 years ago...


ohhh, well i think i was under the impression this thread was about YOUR car.

if you like,

Non Vtec's car in NZ runs 11's with a K20A with 'bolt-on' only mods and camshafts... stock internals (unlike your aftermarket crank, rods and pistons...)

[ALLMTR]

I only spent a few minutes on that forum but your 201kwatw stands out as being AWSUM, well done. Do you want me to link you to a US K20a forum and see some of their times????

Look, I aint baggin ya but SR's are a lemon. Have you compared the ports on them to a K....or even a H motor?

[dc4t]

umm show us proof that it is a sentra and show us the mods and a timeslip.. ur other friend is sayin sentra's dont come with sr20ve's

[iamhappy46]

ohhh, well i think i was under the impression this thread was about YOUR car.

if you like,

Non Vtec's car in NZ runs 11's with a K20A with 'bolt-on' only mods and camshafts... stock internals (unlike your aftermarket crank, rods and pistons...)

It was just to show what potential the SR20VE had 3 years ago. My car is lighter, more power, purpose built gearbox and the motor has plenty of power left in it.

I got stock Nissan rods and pistons. If I had a SR20VE crank, I would have used that and kept it all Nissan but I got a good deal on the Tomei item.

[tinkerbell]

OK, best of luck at the strip,

but you are going to have a tough time beating a internally stock K series (even if you car is lighter and more powerful than the Sentra, with a purpose built gearbox)...

[GaryD]

umm show us proof that it is a sentra and show us the mods and a timeslip.. ur other friend is sayin sentra's dont come with sr20ve's

This is the last time I'm going to bother retorting to your nonsense. The sentra (basically a pulsar with a different shell) have never had an sr20ve, so obviously it has been transplanted...

[GaryD]

OK, best of luck at the strip,

but you are going to have a tough time beating a internally stock K series (even if you car is lighter and more powerful than the Sentra, with a purpose built gearbox)...

I dont see what the stock k20 vs modded sr20 has to do with this argument. Thats like saying I bet a stock rb26dett is going to make more power than a stock k20 engine. In the end its irrelevant, its the whole package that counts. How he makes the power and runs the times matters not, I dont think any of us have said sr20 is a better n/a engine than a k20. So why is everyone becoming so defensive? Making a car go fast costs money, it doesnt matter what sort, theyre all expensive. My point is, the modded sr20 is probably similar in price to a stockish k20a. Like you can buy a ferrari or modify a gtr to be as fast, the GTR will still probably end up much cheaper. If you dont care about the image what does it matter?

[tinkerbell]

I dont think any of us have said sr20 is a better n/a engine than a k20.

hmmmm, well if it wasn't SAID, it has certainly been implied...


I think the problem here is that Honda's have been at the top of the ALL MOTOR TREE for a long time and that to have a Nissan come along to take that glory is rathering... frightening? if that is the right word here?!?! I am even considering taking the ITB's off as the SR16VE N1 intake manifold was not much of a restriction with my old setup but rather the AFM killing flow.

<snip>

I guess the strip is the only place to settle this when I post a low 12 second quarter. Feel free to show up at WSID for Summernationals ;)

[GaryD]

No hes just saying theres been no real competition, theres not much mention of sr20 vs anything there

[iamhappy46]

I have a lot of respect for the K20A powered Hondas and for that matter JDMYARD. I just wish I had a chance to go head2head against the EG.

Hopefully, the ALL MOTOR FWD drag racing will become a little more exciting this year if BADHBT and SR22VE can have a little head2head racing...

*cough cough*
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/664000-664999/664216_12_full.gif
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/664000-664999/664216_13_full.gif
Tomei ALL MOTOR Torque and Power graphs for the SR20DE
*cough cough*

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/664000-664999/664216_15_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/664000-664999/664216_14_full.jpg
The Tomei Quad throttle body kit

[EG5]

stock jdm k20 with just I/H/E + ecu vs modded sr
BADHBT: stock internals untouched motor VS a tomei crate sr

do you think this is fair to do a head to head race ?

* Big thumbs up for u for doin all that mods , it will be interesting to see how it goes down the 1/4mile*

[Bodgy Racing Developments]

hey that would be pretty sweet running a crate sr20 tomei engine, congrats to getting it and im sure it would be a lethal engine.

Unfortunatly i dont agree about saying that the sr20 tomei engine and the k20a engine is a fair match. The K20A has alot of r&d by honda to create a powerful n/a engine but when it comes to modifying the engine, alot of the principals of the r&d from honda are thrown out the window because of the fact that there are aftermarket parts being matched with OEM parts.

A tomei crate motor on the other hand is an sr20 from nissan that is carefully scrutinised using even more r&d to further make a better engine. Tomei would be able to carefully design aftermarket parts that would excel further then oem parts but everything is changed in the entire engine so that everything works in harmony.

In a nutshell any sort of crate motors arent normally modified too much because of this balance and how everything works so well due to the r&d of the company and the amount of cash invested.

So thats why a sr20 crate motor from tomei isnt a fair competitor to a "street" tuned K20 engine. just like a home made plane wouldnt fly as well as a plane that has gone through extensive r&d.

Hope that gives some scope.

[iamhappy46]

Tomei only make SR20DE or SR22DE crate motors.

My engine is a SR22VE and was built in Australia, using the Tomei crank, main bearings and thin head gasket + the recent addition of the Tomei ITB's. Japanese designed and built camshafts as nobody in Australia had the ability to make one for a VE head.

If the cardomain logo was not in the way, you would notice that the SR20DE Derive Stage 3 makes over 250Hp@7000rpm! With the SR22VE making peak power@9600rpm, is my power output still in doubt?

[dc4t]

This is the last time I'm going to bother retorting to your nonsense. The sentra (basically a pulsar with a different shell) have never had an sr20ve, so obviously it has been transplanted...


omfg.. dude congratulations u r cool :rolleyes: i was asking him a question incase u didnt realize.. bcoz the way he said it was like he meant the car came stock with that engine.. this is why im not into the whole nissan thing.. too many arrogant cocks like u hahaha :cool:

[z10]

talk too much

go out and race already.

btw 103mph =/= 200kw :P more like 130-140 tops

[iamhappy46]

dc4t: What ¼ mile times are you pulling in your car??

I don't see you offering to race me, are ya scared? or just too arrogant to realise that GaryD's Pulsar would probably beat your B18B?

You were claiming previously that SR's are a crap N/A engine and we should all stick to turbos :confused:

[iamhappy46]

talk too much

go out and race already.

btw 103mph =/= 200kw :P more like 130-140 tops

You might wanna read the first few posts again...

13.24@103Mph ¼mile with 160Kw@wheels and a crappy 60ft time

[z10]

still 103mph =/= 160kw :P

crappy 60ft "normally" = more mph.

end

[z10]

seriously tho, no point arguing " me make more powa than you" over the world wide web.

show us what the car can do with a slip

shut us all up!

ALL THE BEST to fellow Allmotor racers

[iamhappy46]

z10: Read the previous posts and realise that we are waiting for Summernationals

[z10]

z10: Read the previous posts and realise that we are waiting for Summernationals

all the best man :thumbsup:

hope to see you there with a :honda:

[sivic]

seriously tho, no point arguing " me make more powa than you" over the world wide web.

show us what the car can do with a slip

shut us all up!

ALL THE BEST to fellow Allmotor racers
exactly. instead of carrying on about how this car is gonna shame the K20 and how its gonna take the crowning glory of the FWD allmotor tree without anything to back it up, maybe wait until its done.
at least get it dynod before these 200kw atw claims are made also.
with NA tuning of small capacity engines the gap between 160wkw and 200wkw is huge.
its much like 1/4 mile times. the lower they get the harder it is to keep bumping them down

[dc4t]

dc4t: What ¼ mile times are you pulling in your car??

I don't see you offering to race me, are ya scared? or just too arrogant to realise that GaryD's Pulsar would probably beat your B18B?

You were claiming previously that SR's are a crap N/A engine and we should all stick to turbos :confused:

lol y the hell would i want to race u wen obviously id hav no chance in hell? i kno my cars slow.. its my first modified car and i havnt done much to it so i've got alot of plans along the way. so if u want, wait till the end of the year coz i too have plans for a k20 conversion plus more :p lol


well i pulled a 15.24 with just i/h/e and hav suprised alot of vtec hondas. i found that pretty impressive for a b18b2... gary's pulsar? wat.. is it a sss? well ive never been beaten by an n/a one with equal mods to my car (they couldve been bad drivers) so i doubt his would beat mine unless hes got some worked engine

lol i was just referring the the sr20de wen i said stick to turbo.. but surely the sr20ve and sr16ve are great engines. im impressed :thumbsup: just like wen the sportivo corolla came out :thumbsup: awesome engine, awesome car

im in no way dissin nissan, like i said theres alot of nissans i would love to own over alot of other hondas (my favorite being the 350z).. just annoyed at the fact that u n garyd r tryna compare ur car to a stock internal k20 n u back up ur statement by sayin it cost less


im actually glad i took part in this thread coz ive learnt alot from it :p thanks guys lol but id just like to say:

in my opinion honda has the crown for small n/a engines and has yet to be beaten and nissan gets the crown for their turbo engines

[Non Vtec]

well my new K20A has got over 200wkw @ 8500 now I have done a street able bottom end conversion to it.. The motor runs to almost 10,000rpm so there is still plenty more in the motor, plus sleeving it and running 15:1 compression would see well over 300whp anyway..

[GaryD]

well my new K20A has got over 200wkw @ 8500 now I have done a street able bottom end conversion to it.. The motor runs to almost 10,000rpm so there is still plenty more in the motor, plus sleeving it and running 15:1 compression would see well over 300whp anyway..

Sounds awesome. Any vids/pics? Any chance of floating it over to Aus for some runs? We All motor desperatly needs more quick fwds in aus otherwise it could end a rotar fest

[tinkerbell]

z10: Read the previous posts and realise that we are waiting for Summernationals

i hope you are going to a test and tune before the big day?

you know, to sort the 'gremlins' out...

unless that private driveway is enough, in which case - you are a very lucky person :D

PS - what tyres will you be running?

[iamhappy46]

exactly. instead of carrying on about how this car is gonna shame the K20 and how its gonna take the crowning glory of the FWD allmotor tree without anything to back it up, maybe wait until its done.
at least get it dynod before these 200kw atw claims are made also.
with NA tuning of small capacity engines the gap between 160wkw and 200wkw is huge.
its much like 1/4 mile times. the lower they get the harder it is to keep bumping them down

It has already been dyno'ed for the initial power output. It has had 2 more days of tuning done since with trumpet changes and chasing a mis-fire that was sorted yesterday.

Yes, there will be a test & tune where she will be running the 18's and a full interior. The gremlins being sorted out was discussed on the Pulsar forum plus allow her to get rid of the nerves so she can see how the car handles on a grippier surface than roadbase hotmix.

[Non Vtec]

I've been talking to a few guys about bringing it over to race, but I want a spare motor and box etc befroe I come across, so I need to save abit more.. I'd want to be running low 10's or quicker if I came to aussie otherwise there isnt any point in coming over..

[b13nx]

so it took nissan 2 years later to achieve that

haha yep :p and hondas f20c produced 123hp/l as well. correct?
Correct on both accounts. Howevr, it took Nissan 2 years to BEAT 108hp/L. It took another 3 years for Honda to MATCH Nissan's 123hp/L.

You two are so Honda biased it's not even funny. At least I can appreciate the B16A and B18C (Type R) for the great motors that they are.

Weq comes onto PGA, and I've never seen him get knocked. The Nissan bashing on this forum WAY exceeds the Honda bashing on PGA.

[pillow]

Correct on both accounts. Howevr, it took Nissan 2 years to BEAT 108hp/L. It took another 3 years for Honda to MATCH Nissan's 123hp/L.

You two are so Honda biased it's not even funny. At least I can appreciate the B16A and B18C (Type R) for the great motors that they are.

Weq comes onto PGA, and I've never seen him get knocked. The Nissan bashing on this forum WAY exceeds the Honda bashing on PGA.

Honda also made 100hp/L in 1989....I have no idea when Nissan first made 100hp/L out of one of their 4cyl motors?

Of course the Nissan bashing occurs alot here, most people I know who drive honda's are very much the same, Honda drivers are just arrogant lol

I don't know why everyone's still going on about this, untill there are some dyno charts or slips posted of this 'new' motor, there isn't much to say other than the bickering that's already going on lol.

[pillow]

Correct on both accounts. Howevr, it took Nissan 2 years to BEAT 108hp/L. It took another 3 years for Honda to MATCH Nissan's 123hp/L.


From what I've read the SR16VE and SR20VE variants were released in 1997, whereas the B16A was released in 1989, thats a good 8-9 years it took for Nissan to get near Honda;) With the F20C being released in 1999, I don't know of any otrher 4 cylinder motor that has won as many awards as it has? Please correct me if these are wrong.

I'm not taking anything away from Nissan and their NEO motors, I wouldn't mind one in say a datto 1600 or 1200 ute:D

[Weq]

Correct on both accounts. Howevr, it took Nissan 2 years to BEAT 108hp/L. It took another 3 years for Honda to MATCH Nissan's 123hp/L.

You two are so Honda biased it's not even funny. At least I can appreciate the B16A and B18C (Type R) for the great motors that they are.

Weq comes onto PGA, and I've never seen him get knocked. The Nissan bashing on this forum WAY exceeds the Honda bashing on PGA.

Yeh i try and keep things as unbiased as possible. i seriously have respect for good engineering in general. Most of the good engineers ive met also have the same idea. Narrowmind = bad.

[dc4t]

You two are so Honda biased it's not even funny. At least I can appreciate the B16A and B18C (Type R) for the great motors that they are.

Weq comes onto PGA, and I've never seen him get knocked. The Nissan bashing on this forum WAY exceeds the Honda bashing on PGA.

umm dude.. honda is the most "bashed" car manufacturer ive ever heard about. i can prove it but im too lazy to post up links. from the forums ive been on honda is dissed by holden drivers, ford drivers, nissan drivers, bmw drivers, euro car drivers, mazda drivers etc etc.. too much to write down and just bcoz nissan is bashed a lil bit on this forum u wanna cry about it?

i mean ask one person around the streets whos not a honda fan. and theyll say "honda is rice"

and wen they actually see a honda pulling crazy times they then say "its bcoz theyre so light" but the main hondas are designed to be lightweight from the factory :rolleyes:

[online]

Which class will you be running at the summernationals. Super Street? very good and competitive class that one, it's a 11.00 to 12.99 DYO, need to qualify better than 12.99 to make the field..

[OLM-02R]

when is summernationals? wouldn't wanna miss all the action... :)

[defect]

i love hondas even though i drive a nissan myself.

friend has a civic coupe with a b18c, i love it. shape wise, they sick as cars

to achieve big power, ill just stick to my snail :]

[Weq]

summernational's is this weekend. which are the best days to go??

[Weq]

So im guessing this guy talked it up a bit too much??? i dont see anymore bragging :)

[tinkerbell]

post slips?

who went to the 'nats?

[iamhappy46]

Weq: Read my post in the Pulsar forum, in the intro section

http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showpost.php?p=781140&postcount=93

[EG5]

Weq: Read my post in the Pulsar forum, in the intro section

http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showpost.php?p=781140&postcount=93


Well, I have been trying to get the SSS video's uploaded. My mate sent me them from his Nokia Mobile Phone in a .3gp format and I am not sure if WIN-XP can view this, as WIN95 does not http://forum.pulsar.org.au/images/smilies/frown.gif

I am getting my XP machine on Monday next week, so upload some pics and record some mpeg vids for you all to check out.

The SSS is not at Summernationals as the driver had urgent family commitments despite pulling a 12.64@110.7Mph on street tyres on Tuesday.Hope to be at a WSID Wed Night street meet in the next few weeks...


__________________

[EG5]

Now where is the time slip ?

[iamhappy46]

My girlfriends(the driver) sister got diagnosed with a Neuro-Blastoma(google it) so she was not able to attend. I still have a broken ankle so I chose to spend time with my GF and her family rather than risk damaging my ankle or the car :!:

The time was G-Tech recorded and ECU data logged as a backup. We will be in SE Qld in about 2 weeks, so will have to post a few times from Willowbank.

[blackdc2]

My girlfriends(the driver) sister got diagnosed with a Neuro-Blastoma(google it) so she was not able to attend. I still have a broken ankle so I chose to spend time with my GF and her family rather than risk damaging my ankle or the car :!:

The time was G-Tech recorded and ECU data logged as a backup. We will be in SE Qld in about 2 weeks, so will have to post a few times from Willowbank.

I really think you should stop posting until you get a time slip

without a time slip, no one really cares.

Once you have a time slip, then you can rub it into all the haters, until then I really don’t think you are doing yourself any justice proclaiming that you have a 12sec car or 200kw.

[iamhappy46]

I was answering questions as to why I was not there and giving an indication of when time slips will be forthcoming.

[EGB16A]

My girlfriends(the driver) sister got diagnosed with a Neuro-Blastoma(google it) so she was not able to attend. I still have a broken ankle so I chose to spend time with my GF and her family rather than risk damaging my ankle or the car :!:

The time was G-Tech recorded and ECU data logged as a backup. We will be in SE Qld in about 2 weeks, so will have to post a few times from Willowbank.

LOL! I got a stock b16a, and it runs 12s with the gtec as well...... i just got to find a hill steep enough.... hahahaha

[v3ctourist]

Would it not be an intelligent idea for this thread to be locked until we all have a timeslip to draw conclusions from?

[tinkerbell]

Would it not be an intelligent idea for this thread to be locked until we all have a timeslip to draw conclusions from?

no, we can keep hacking on iamhappy46 as he thinks his nissan is fast...

but seriously- iamhappy46, i hope your partners sister is going to be OK, and keep resting your ankle, get well soon (so you can get a real time slip!!!)

[ALLMTR]

Damn my records been beaten.......

I love how you quote to the hundreths of a second with something as inaccurate as a G-Tech. It's like looking to the position of the sun in the sky and quoting the time in seconds hehehe

[sivic]

yeah i wouldnt go by gtech times. they're very optimistic. gyro sytems which can actually measure to such accuracies cost far more than what a gtech costs. they also require constant callibration.
its like relying on the public airpump at your local servo to give you an accurate measurement of your tyre pressure
i know it sounds like we're all hating but such big calls require hard evidence to be backed up with and i've never seen a gtech time considered an official time.
very keen to see the end result though:thumbsup:

[iamhappy46]

Thanks tinkerbell. Hoping to get some good news in the next few days if chemo works.

I used the MoTec M800 data log to calculate the acceleration rate/wheelspin/time/speed, etc and the data adds up to a theoretical 12.64 with a terminal velocity of 110.7Mph. The G-Tech was quicker than this figure but I doubt the MoTec can fudge numbers with the data it controls/reads.

Of course, we all would know that getting that sort of time on a drag strip, where all sorts of variables(temp,grip,nerves) can occur is why I want her to post a legitimate time(which I wanted to do at WSID)

I see no reason why a sub 13 pass is not feasible on street tyres. If slicks can get 60ft times down to a <1.9, a low 12 is possible with my 50Kg girlfriend driving.

[Weq]

Thanks tinkerbell. Hoping to get some good news in the next few days if chemo works.

I used the MoTec M800 data log to calculate the acceleration rate/wheelspin/time/speed, etc and the data adds up to a theoretical 12.64 with a terminal velocity of 110.7Mph. The G-Tech was quicker than this figure but I doubt the MoTec can fudge numbers with the data it controls/reads.

Of course, we all would know that getting that sort of time on a drag strip, where all sorts of variables(temp,grip,nerves) can occur is why I want her to post a legitimate time(which I wanted to do at WSID)

I see no reason why a sub 13 pass is not feasible on street tyres. If slicks can get 60ft times down to a <1.9, a low 12 is possible with my 50Kg girlfriend driving.


soz i was looking all over pulsar.org for the info. hope to see slips soon!

[snowman95]

Best Thread Eva!!!!

[iamhappy46]

Video 1 (http://media.putfile.com/SR22VE_200Ks_anybody)
2nd Gear take off, due to broken engine mounts, grab 3rd as speedo shows actual road speed, 3rd gear wheels spin to about 140K's, grab 4th as road speed slows to 100k's and then watch it wind out to 200k's in the wet!

Video 2 (http://media.putfile.com/SR22VE_3rdthen4th_to_180)
3rd gear from 60K's, grab 4th as the speedo slows to represent road speed then out to 180K's in 4th gear.

Video 3 (http://media.putfile.com/SR22VE_4th_gear_wheelspin)
4th gear wheelspin in the wet, back off throttle then back to WOT and watch that speedo fly!

MANY MANY thanks to dsp26 from PGA for his conversion of the .3gp's files I sent him.

Hope to have my last 2 videos available shortly...

[Kawasaki]

....?

[2MPRSS]

....?


ahhaaaa

[ALLMTR]

Dude, FFS take it to a drag strip...PLEASE!!!!!

[v3ctourist]

He's saving his 'debut' for the 28th of march. 2 months away :( Until then, I suppose...

[pillow]

He's saving his 'debut' for the 28th of march. 2 months away :( Until then, I suppose...

28th of March was yesterday...do you mean May?

[Zilli]

Video 1 (http://media.putfile.com/SR22VE_200Ks_anybody)
2nd Gear take off, due to broken engine mounts, grab 3rd as speedo shows actual road speed, 3rd gear wheels spin to about 140K's, grab 4th as road speed slows to 100k's and then watch it wind out to 200k's in the wet!

Video 2 (http://media.putfile.com/SR22VE_3rdthen4th_to_180)
3rd gear from 60K's, grab 4th as the speedo slows to represent road speed then out to 180K's in 4th gear.

Video 3 (http://media.putfile.com/SR22VE_4th_gear_wheelspin)
4th gear wheelspin in the wet, back off throttle then back to WOT and watch that speedo fly!

MANY MANY thanks to dsp26 from PGA for his conversion of the .3gp's files I sent him.

Hope to have my last 2 videos available shortly...


yeh ok, ill watch the videos later... funny how you picked a wet day to do all this huge 4th gear wheelspinning.... then running to 200....

????? why do i in wet weather, you said it spins 1,2,3 in dry? surely you could show us all, since your bothering to post a video... at least in the dry?

and unfortunately you had a broken engine mount....? you built the motor yourself, your old mans an ex v8 driver, and you go out and put a video together to show all us honda boys what your car is capable of with a ****ing broken engine mount?

go to the track mate, do it in sydney, and make a thread which DEFINITIVELY SAYS WHEN YOU ARE GOING

UNTIL THEN, STFU AND GTFO

[EG5]

compact attack maybe ?

[iamhappy46]

The video was actually for PGA... Note the first video has traction in 4th gear and shows what the car is capable of. Pulls from 120K's to 200K's very smoothly.

[v3ctourist]

28th of March was yesterday...do you mean May?
Sorry mate, yes I meant May :o



compact attack maybe ?
Yepo, he's said he'll be 'in attendance' which had better mean "I'll definately be there without a problem, 100%, no question, with my car, I'll be driving it, it'll be in ideal tune, I won't have an excuse for lower-than-expected results, etc" :)

[iamhappy46]

Yeah, I will be in attendance. Obviously, nerves, wet weather, a variety of other factors may prevent me from pulling expected numbers(a low 12 on my first serious outing in a long time) but it will give you all a chance to look at the car/engine bay.

[iamhappy46]

Try these videos, they have audio and are in mp4 format...

The reason why my engine mounts break (http://media.putfile.com/1st2nd3rdwithaudio) ;) Bit hard to watch but good for audio.

This one (http://media.putfile.com/3rd4th5thtowithbrokenmounts) I had to shift slower and earlier in the rev range as the mounts were broken.

Gotta love the intake noise :rockin:

Got Drummond Motorsport 50mm Coilovers on order, with paint and panel repairs being sorted out this week.

I should be in Newcastle/Sid-o-knee on the 17th/18th of April in my Nissan X-Trail GT, if any Honda people want a look. Should be in the Sydney CBD or something on the night of the 17th. Probably with a lot of PGA members...

[tinkerbell]

mate - if you wanna get horny over intake noise,

you really need a Honda ;)

*rightclick save as* 8MB

http://home.exetel.com.au/tinkerbell/davemainstraight.avi

main straight at wakefield :D

doesnt quite rev as fast as yours, but damn hell sure sounds better :thumbsup:

[2MPRSS]

man did that thing just jump up to 120 km/h as soon as you launched??????

[Da1nONLY]

man did that thing just jump up to 120 km/h as soon as you launched??????


it looks like it! :)
wheels spinning too fast!

[2MPRSS]

yeh badly ha,good luck at compak attack are yougoing to be using slicks?

[iamhappy46]

For the first video:
It was taking off in second gear(as engine mounts were already broken, in first gear the box lifts and knocks it back into neutral), grabbed third(where you see the 120Km/h at around the 12s mark) and then wind it out in 4th gear to around 160 before backing off and slowing down.

These vids were before the other vids and were too large to MMS, so took a while to get them off the phone.

[Menzy]

*coughing alot ... ;)

[iamhappy46]

Yeah, I will be using slicks and I will have more than 203Kw@wheels running on slicks. Waiting on new engine mounts to be fitted and paint/panel work before it gets a final tune. Will be sure to post the new dyno graph up for everybody...

Also planning a street tyred run with around 200Kw@wheels.

[Menzy]

bro what your saying means 0 factor for everyone ...

since you started this all we wanted is a timeslip ..... :)
Good luck though

[EG5]

I just chat with the owner of this pulsar on msn.
He said he is not gonna be at compak attak for whatever reason .

[v3ctourist]

Please tell me you're kidding...

[Kawasaki]

Booooo Thread is worthless I want to see a race after all that talk

[dc5ive]

Go The Pulsar :p

[iamhappy46]

I just chat with the owner of this pulsar on msn.
He said he is not gonna be at compak attak for whatever reason .

Post the exact conversation from MSN, I DID NOT SAY THAT!!

I stated that I am not going but my car is, as we got another driver and he should be posting some good times.

If the date had not been changed from the 28th to the 21st, I could have made it.

[Kawasaki]

woot

:)

PS no need to yell

[Calvo]

wat happened to drivin ur own car these days...
cant believe 19pages of sh!t, and theres still no time slip...

[iamhappy46]

Calvo: The fact I had surgery on a broken left ankle and am unable to use a clutch, is why I do not drive the SSS these days. That is why I have an auto to drive...

The new date has stuffed up my schedule but I organised a driver. Got the X-Trail as the support car(SSS is being trailered there) and should have no problems running on slicks or streel legal radials. I am attending compak attak but I will not be racing...

[EG5]

**CTR Coupe EDIT**
My car(s) will be there, whether it pulls a low 12s ¼ on it first attempt is unsure but atleast it will be there.

cool :thumbsup:

[EG5]

PM me if you want a driver to race your car :)

[ALLMTR]

whether it pulls a low 12s ¼ on it first attempt is unsure

There is no doubt about whether it will run a low 12 first time out...

[CRXer]

Best Thread Eva!!!!
2nd that!!!
Oh,hang on,let me just check Pandas thread one more time(you know the one),just to be sure........*sneaks off to the lounge*
Someone should submit this thread to Fast & Furious for a sequel,its got it all
:honda: :thumbsup:

[dc5ive]

cant wait too see the pulsar cop the civic

[iamhappy46]

I think everyone on here knows how much effort, development work and trial/error went into EGK20A. It was a really quick car for a mildly modified K20A.

In reality, it is not about the SSS beating any FWD Civic/Integra/Excel but about pulling the numbers to 'help' backup the power claim, right? With over 270Nm of torque@crankshaft available, it has the potential to pull some very fast times/trap speeds for a N/A FWD.

Hopefully, it will spur on the N/A FWD drag racing scene in Australia, which all of you would agree is a GOOD THING.

No more negative posts until Compak Attak, OK? Feel free to flame me afterwards if we only get a 13.0001! Will let Yonas know asap about being the pilot, talk to you on msn mate.

[ALLMTR996]

What is the weight of this so called weapon Nissan I want to work out what mph it should run with the claimed power output.Was there ever a dyno sheet posted up for everyone to see the claimed power output of that egk20a because I still remember it running at a street meet with a std intake manifold on it and they claimed 140 something kw then when it ran the 12.3 it was only a couple of mph faster but they claimed 170+kw then which is outrageous as it would have gone 8 to 12mph faster with that sort of power output.The only difference I seen was it was running slicks & the quad throttle body setup when it ran 12.3 and I think it had drag radials on it at the street meet where it ran 12.8.Please dont get this wrong as I think the times the Civic ran where great and it was a great thing that the JDM yard guys did but the plain truth of it all is mph comes from KW's.
ALLMTR996

[iamhappy46]

The Pulsar has a lot of new parts since its last weigh in, I have no idea what it would weigh these days. Some new parts are lighter than the ones they replaced, other work has made the car heavier. Also had the interior stripped from the B pillars back. I would hazard a guess and say around 2000Lbs(900+Kg) including driver.

For reference, this (http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=150324) is a thread on a 200+Hp@wheels SR20VE in the USA.

[ALLMTR996]

The Pulsar has a lot of new parts since its last weigh in, I have no idea what it would weigh these days. Some new parts are lighter than the ones they replaced, other work has made the car heavier. Also had the interior stripped from the B pillars back. I would hazard a guess and say around 2000Lbs(900+Kg) including driver.

For reference, this (http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=150324) is a thread on a 200+Hp@wheels SR20VE in the USA.
Dude what does that link have to do with the weight of your car?.With the 900kg car and your claimed power you should run 116 mph + guess we will see at the Compak Attack how much of this is bullshit and how much is real.
ALLMTR996

[DynoDave]

The Pulsar has a lot of new parts since its last weigh in, I have no idea what it would weigh these days. Some new parts are lighter than the ones they replaced, other work has made the car heavier. Also had the interior stripped from the B pillars back. I would hazard a guess and say around 2000Lbs(900+Kg) including driver.

For reference, this (http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=150324) is a thread on a 200+Hp@wheels SR20VE in the USA.
With that power you claim and 900kgs on slicks 11.9@116mph if you know how to set a FWD chassis up, if it does not run this with your so called special gearing I will torch you with a flame thrower after the Compak Attack.
This power is more than a FACTORY built 2lt Super Tourer engine was making in the late 90's and yes I was the Team Engineer for 3 different brands of these things for 10 years so I do know what they where making.Funny how Online's CRX car comes out and runs 10.98@118.something MPH and yet NO ONE knows or will ever know what power it makes as the ET and MPH speak for themself's.And if you would care to pull your head out of your arse ALLMTR is a ANDRA Sport Compact class and has been one of the best supported class's at the Sport Compact Meetings this last season so dont think that your Nissan streetcar will suddenly spur eveyone on to come racing.
Regards Dyno Dave

[CRXer]

Guys ,please,you gotta stop!!!
I gotta know the end to this superb drama series......
Between this thread,Lost,waitin for Miss Chanel to post another pic & waitin for my mounts to arrive from the states,I'm losing my mind :confused:
:honda: ;) :honda: :) :honda: :p :honda: :D :honda: :cool: :honda: :thumbsup: :honda: :angel:

[i_own_you]

Guys ,please,you gotta stop!!!
I gotta know the end to this superb drama series......
Between this thread,Lost,waitin for Miss Chanel to post another pic & waitin for my mounts to arrive from the states,I'm losing my mind :confused:
:honda: ;) :honda: :) :honda: :p :honda: :D :honda: :cool: :honda: :thumbsup: :honda: :angel:

lol@thread

[ginganggooly]

270Nm at the crank?

sorry... but no, not possible with an na 2.0l.

[DynoDave]

Guys ,please,you gotta stop!!!
I gotta know the end to this superb drama series......
Between this thread,Lost,waitin for Miss Chanel to post another pic & waitin for my mounts to arrive from the states,I'm losing my mind :confused:
:honda: ;) :honda: :) :honda: :p :honda: :D :honda: :cool: :honda: :thumbsup: :honda: :angel:
Dude just wait till after the Compak Attack then we will let the games begin as I have only just started.:p
Regards Dyno Dave

[Zilli]

Dude just wait till after the Compak Attack then we will let the games begin as I have only just started.:p
Regards Dyno Dave



oh man i cant wait!!!!!!!

FLLAAAAAAAAAAAMAGE

[iamhappy46]

270Nm at the crank?

sorry... but no, not possible with an na 2.0l.

Not possible... yeah, probably not possible for a 2.0L but seeing as this not a 2.0L, it is possible.
Tomei SR22DE power/torque graph, 250+Nm@crankshaft here (http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-catalogue/e038_sr20de.html) The VE head is a much better design than the DE head so more torque can be generated with the right tuning/CR/camshafts.

ALLMTR996: The SR20VE thread was relevant to those who question the power potential of any SRxxVE engine. Internally standard SR20VE has 150Kw@wheels.
Also, the SR16VE N1 motor in Japan can easily get 150Kw@wheels with extractors, exhaust, 12.7:1 CR, camshafts, ECU and other support mods. Not bad for a 1.6L!

DynoDave: The SR20DE Touring car engines are nice(with head reversed so the inlet manifold on the front, exhaust on the back right?) but they were limited to a stock crank and 2045cc capacity(from memory)
I am sure that you would agree that if torque could be increased via a longer stroke and using the VE head to optimise a low lobe rpm cam for street duties and hi lobes for higher rpm, that the power output is attainable.
The car will be in Sydney a few days before Compak Attak, your welcome to get your own power/torque figures out of the car, then flame the car then and there if you like.

Also my 'gearing' is not the 'special' part of my gearbox :zip:

[j-specAccord]

hahaha yeah this thread is better than prison break!

[Weq]

The car will be in Sydney a few days before Compak Attak, your welcome to get your own power/torque figures out of the car, then flame the car then and there if you like.


I think this sounds like a grand idea, dave :)

[DynoDave]

we run 106mph with 140ish kw
So I was right 106mph with 140kw and 109mph with 170+kw that you guys where claiming :confused:, there is something very wrong there maybe the quads where not worth 30kw after all or maybe people will come to terms there is alot of bullshit involved with people's setups and claims and that the old MPH at the drag strip is the best way to workout who makes what power.
Regards Dyno Dave

[iamhappy46]

Another thing...

The US SR20VE link that I posted on the last page, does anyone care to calculate how much torque it is making in 'Nm' @ the wheels??

Factor in a 20% drivetrain loss and I believe 250+Nm is available@crankshaft from this US engine. Is 270Nm so hard to believe now?

Seeing as: Power = (Torque x rpm)/constant

Take the 208Hp@7800rpm, then assuming the same amount of torque at 9600rpm, the power output would be 256Hp@wheels...

Factor in the stroker crankshaft and you can see that 270+Hp@wheels is not impossible.

Anyone disagree with this?

[ginganggooly]

oh boy.

well mate, if your car runs the numbers, i dips me lid. if it doesn't, i'll laugh at ya along with everyone else.

g'luck to you buddy. :)

[EG5]

So I was right 106mph with 140kw and 109mph with 170+kw that you guys where claiming :confused:, there is something very wrong there maybe the quads where not worth 30kw after all or maybe people will come to terms there is alot of bullshit involved with people's setups and claims and that the old MPH at the drag strip is the best way to workout who makes what power.
Regards Dyno Dave

the truth is, do not trust anyone, some dyno tuners can be sneaky as shit.

i seriously do not think we have 170kw, im telling what the dyno plot shows.

[^CarBoy^]

TOOOO MUCH TALK !
save every one the trouble and get a dyno and a time slip


THE END.

[^CarBoy^]

The Pulsar has a lot of new parts since its last weigh in, I have no idea what it would weigh these days. Some new parts are lighter than the ones they replaced, other work has made the car heavier. Also had the interior stripped from the B pillars back. I would hazard a guess and say around 2000Lbs(900+Kg) including driver.

For reference, this (http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=150324) is a thread on a 200+Hp@wheels SR20VE in the USA.


900kgs wooaaahh INCLUDING DRIVER impressive!

is the car made out of carbon fibre or paper???????

[Zilli]

Another thing...

The US SR20VE link that I posted on the last page, does anyone care to calculate how much torque it is making in 'Nm' @ the wheels??

Factor in a 20% drivetrain loss and I believe 250+Nm is available@crankshaft from this US engine. Is 270Nm so hard to believe now?

Seeing as: Power = (Torque x rpm)/constant

Take the 208Hp@7800rpm, then assuming the same amount of torque at 9600rpm, the power output would be 256Hp@wheels...

Factor in the stroker crankshaft and you can see that 270+Hp@wheels is not impossible.



Anyone disagree with this?


cant believe this guys still talking

[iamhappy46]

Because the people who have seen my car/know my car will have a massive laugh at this thread. Obviously, some people on this site are not prepared to learn about something non-Honda related. It is an engine, use the laws of physics and try to prove that these numbers cannot exist!

I also never said 900Kg, the post read 900+Kgs or >900Kg. I am not sure of the exact weight but when my N14 SSS has a factory 'wet' weight(inc full tank of fuel) of 1040Kg and I have removed atleast 100Kg worth of weight to make it race ready. So I would expect around 960Kg or roughly what I stated on a previous page somewhere.

Personally, I am happy to answer questions cause I will be backing it all up shortly. Feel free to doubt my car/power output but I expect a pat on the back and a sincere apology from everyone who has a case of tall poppy syndrome.

Zilli: Obviously an intellectual answer there... yet no answer as to why this power is impossible. If you cannot handle the theory, stay out of this thread. Your comments are not impressing anyone except yourself.