Owners of DC2R's...things to look out for?

[stephen8512]

Hi everybody.
Name's steve and I'm a regular over at the accord thread. How is everyone here? :wave:
I currently own an accord euro luxury 05 and yeah its been modded a bit. mugen kit, 20's, etc.
Anyways, reason why im posting here is that im looking at getting another car in about a years time. im really liking the DC2R's. Just a few questions spring to mind when I say "DC2R"

1) any major things to look out for when looking for one? e.g known problems etc?
2) wat alarm do you guys have on ur R's? cuz i hear recaro seats being stolen almost every time....
3) insurance cost FCI? I'm 21 and currently with Just Cars insuring the euro
4) any major pros/cons for gettin a JDM teg R instead of just an ozspec one?
5) whats the theft like on these? anything like the nissan skylines or the silvias?
6) I'm looking at one with roughly 60-80,000kms for about 23-25K. this reasonable or no?
7) how much would it cost to get a JDM front conversion on an oz spec R?
8) and lastly, fuel consumption. ATM with my euro i avg about 9.5-10L/100kms. wats it like on the R's?

Any info would be great help. sorry bout the questions. :o

[Kazaf]

Great thread, I'm also looking for these answers as I'm looking to purchase one, not anytime soon though.

This is a very good help for those looking into ITR's

[shebangs]

1. I'm sure others will add alot more, but check the gearbox and feel the clutch. Make sure the clutch isnt slipping, and changing gears is perfect.
2. I've got a Viper 1000 with Microswave Sensor. Came to $800 fitted. This is the top of the line one, the only better than this one had remote start and instant paging - but I couldn't justify ~$1500.
3. Impossible to guess.
4. Harder to find.
5. Park it in a deserted car park in Inala (or the current ghetto town in your city) and it will get stolen, but nothing worse than any other car. Shouldn't be a deterant. Just be sensible. More chance of being scratched then directly stolen.
6. Sounds about right. For $25k though, you should get less K's than 80.
7. nfi
8. Roughly 400KM on a tank, before it takes 37-38L to fill up. Calculates to 9.3L/100KM when I drive it (and I typically drive hard). If my girlfriend drives, I'm sure she could hit 500KM easily (****ed if I'm letting her drive a full tank tho :p)

Matt

[IN73GZ]

4. Yes much harder to find a genuine one, they put out a lil more power, apart from that im not really that sure,u get diff steering wheel and interior is a little different aswell.,comes with b18c5 instead of b18c7. id just get a ozspec and do a jdm front

7. Should cost you between $3k-4k fitted depending on whether u get the 98spec jdm front or the 96. 96 will be a lil bit cheaper as it does NOT come with HIDs. If you pick one up at the right price shouldnt cost anymore than $4k i rekon.

[[ricer]]

just make sure it goes hard :D

[aaronng]

JDM should net you Brembo front calipers too.

[teggiboy]

1) any major things to look out for when looking for one? e.g known problems etc?
not really, just accident damage i guess. pretty reliable cars

2) wat alarm do you guys have on ur R's? cuz i hear recaro seats being stolen almost every time....
I've got a viper alarm, cost about $350 installed. It has a factory imobiliser so u need a coded key to start it. Just don't park in dodgy places

3) insurance cost FCI? I'm 21 and currently with Just Cars insuring the euro
I'm currently 24 paying $1400 with just car

4) any major pros/cons for gettin a JDM teg R instead of just an ozspec one?
jdm is very hard to find and u'll see that they are mainly older ones here, eg 1996-1998. I don't trust dodgy imports

5) whats the theft like on these? anything like the nissan skylines or the silvias?
no idea. I guess every part on these things are very valueable. eg, engine conversion for civics, recaro seats, etc

6) I'm looking at one with roughly 60-80,000kms for about 23-25K. this reasonable or no?
most of these are approaching 100,000kms. To get something low kms, you might need to pay a bit more.

7) how much would it cost to get a JDM front conversion on an oz spec R?
I heard 5k? in my opinion, not worth it. round lights look heaps better!

8) and lastly, fuel consumption. ATM with my euro i avg about 9.5-10L/100kms. wats it like on the R's?
i get about 480kms to a tank...thats vtecing once in a while...hehe

[teggiboy]

4. Yes much harder to find a genuine one, they put out a lil more power, apart from that im not really that sure,u get diff steering wheel and interior is a little different aswell.,comes with b18c5 instead of b18c7. id just get a ozspec and do a jdm front

7. Should cost you between $3k-4k fitted depending on whether u get the 98spec jdm front or the 96. 96 will be a lil bit cheaper as it does NOT come with HIDs. If you pick one up at the right price shouldnt cost anymore than $4k i rekon.

b18c5 is NOT jdm...its the usdm version. JDM is b18c

[IN73GZ]

b18c5 is NOT jdm...its the usdm version. JDM is b18c

sorry mate
b18c5 is the jap spec b18c
The US GSR comes with a b18c1
the US acura type r comes with b18c3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine#B16B

[2MPRSS]

5) whats the theft like on these? anything like the nissan skylines or the silvias?


expect to see ur windows smashed and milk crates left behind

[2MPRSS]

sorry mate
b18c5 is the jap spec b18c
The US GSR comes with a b18c1
the US acura type r comes with b18c3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine#B16B

wrong mate b18c5 is no jap spec sorry to bust ur bubble

[stephen8512]

hmm thanks for the info guys
yeah im basically lookin at gettin the DC2 end of this yaer. will be added to the family. euro + 4wd prado. :D

i like the look of the 2, but the DC5 is also very nice. I just like the 2 better cuz it seems slimmer and sleeker. The 5, its newer and has the K20A donk in there....very inticing as the B series seems to be slowly phased out. not completely mind you, but the K series seems to be creeping in more and more.

480km per tank? how big is the tank?
and also, besides the fact thats its more rare and the brembo front calipers and the extra KW from the B18C, any other factor that one may justify in gettin a JDM spec over an ozspec?

[nastyazn694u]

i'd strongly prefer u to get the oz spec even tho i love the JDM one. my reason? airbags. they saved me last week when i crashed. very essential i rekon..

[stephen8512]

cant u just change the steering wheel to an airbag one?

[nastyazn694u]

i think you can but i'd guess it isn't cheap. may be worth it to get a passenger one too cos i know it made a big difference to saving my friend who was next to me in my crash.

you can always do a front end conversion after. the imported JDM ones are very rare and very hard to get one in good condition. i know cos i found 2 when i was looking for my R.

[stephen8512]

ahh i see
thanks for the tip
yeah im not in any hurry to look at it atm
planning on making the type R a track beast

If you guys had to, would u choose the DC5R or the DC2R? trying to remain unbiased?

[nastyazn694u]

dc2r all the way. i love the look and the rawness. and old skool vtec. love the way it kicks in after 5500rpm!

i will probably be rebuying one in a year's time. hopefully a CW one with the optional sideskirts and valances that my old one had tho nothing can replace it.#069,had a sunroof and was in immaculate condition :(

hope u find a great car buddy, you wun regret it once u buy it.

[dc2r sumi]

3) insurance cost FCI?
im with just cars $2300 i think dats pretti good or maybe cheaper cause im a girl??

6) I'm looking at one with roughly 60-80,000kms for about 23-25K. this reasonable or no?
hm.. most dc2rs around 100kms ..or just about to hit 100k.. but price is still not datt cheap...

8) and lastly, fuel consumption. ATM with my euro i avg about 9.5-10L/100kms. wats it like on the R's?
i get around 500km till the light is flashing.. but dats because im a girl and drive like a girl.. heheh BUT if i drive not girly.. around 400km...^^

[IN73GZ]

well sorry guys if i was mislead to think the jap spec b18c was a b18c5 but im not the only one who agrees. anyway im not here to start an arguement, i was only trying to help out stephen with his questions, not try n make everyone think i know everything coz i dont.
in reference to your last question i would definately choose the DC2R over the DC5R, and im not biased as a drive a Da9. dc2r looks much better and like nasty said, there is nothing like that old skool vtec. just my 2cents

[stephen8512]

DC2R sumi - 2300 with just cars on ur R? how old are you?! im paying just under that amt with my euro! but i have all mods declared (kit, rims, suspension, exhaust, etc etc....)

IN-73-GZ - hey its cool dude! appreciate the help from you and everyone here :thumbsup: i love the shape of the DC2R cuz yeah i do agree it looks slimmer and alot sexier/sleeeker. but the only thing is, its getting quite old....for a 2000 model R, it would be 6 years old this year. and the ohter thing i like about the DC5R, its newer, thus newer technology, would have a comfier interior i'd suspect and also, the potential of the K20A. but thats not takig anything away from the B18C.

Keep th efeedback comin guys! :)

[teggiboy]

I'd go dc2r all the way bro. I've had mine for nearly 1yr and still loving it! Nothing turns more heads on the road than the raw sound of VTEC!! The dc5r is too chunky looking and feels very high up when ur in there. The way the speedo is weird because 0km starts at the very bottom. makes u look like u are driving slow because the needle hardly goes up to reach 60kms

[nastyazn694u]

i jsut dun liek the interior of the dc5. a lil bit on the cheap plasticky side. jsut my opinion. i liek the carbon fibre, racey, raw look of the dc2r's interior.

[type one]

']just make sure it goes hard :D


this is not as stupid as it sounds... i have seen a great varying degree of R's in melb... some could be done by lightly modded Vti-Rs (straight line of course hehe)...

the only thing i noticed when i sold my R - things i would look out for:

1.) wearing around the tips of the recaros (this gives a good inidcation of how well the car has been looked after (might sound stupid but gives a REAL good indication of previous owners bad manual habits).

2.) master brake and clutch cylinders - make sure the fluid is clean and doesn't smell... if it is motul the fluid will be clear and it will be easier to tell, if it is your cheaper stuff (bluey liquid) you will need to look harder for residue at the bottom of the cylinders

3.) get the owner to give the car a squirt (simple test to see how healthy the engine is and whether you get any rattling noises etc - i took the new owner of my R around the "eastern freeway track" hahaha very impressive to feel the real rawness of a well maintained and strong R.

4.) go with your instinct on the purchase... if sth doesn't feel right with the car, it usually won't be.

[IN73GZ]

vtirs have sunroof, type Rs do not have sun roof, first thing i would look for, apart from many other but this is the most obvious.
if u want that sleek look but would prefer the k20a, and u like jdm front on dc2
why not get like a 94+ GSi , do a jap front and k20a transplant????
thats wat i wana do if i can get the money

[stephen8512]

hahahah not a bad suggestion but nah prob will get 1 R or the other.
im loving the red/yellow ITRs. black and white seem over and done with. (though they too look quite nice. excellent example is ITRBoi. white ITR with white volks + spoon calipers = sex)
i just dont see as much yellow/red teggies. i love faijai's banana teg with them banana recaros. omg!!!!

[BlitZ]

never knew jdm dc2r came with fornt brembos.. isnt it only the dc5r that came with brembos

[nastyazn694u]

i thought so too...

[stephen8512]

didnt the jdm spec 98 ITR have them also?

[nastyazn694u]

i really don't think so. to my knowledge(correct me if i'm wrong) onli the JDM dc5R came with brembos.

[stephen8512]

hmmm
u'd prob know more than me...i only just started researching my teggies a few days ago so yeah....
i do know taht DC5R came with brembos. i know this because i read it in SPEED magazine. lol. they were doina comparo to our then ozspec DC5R with the jdm DC5R, saying that ours was a detuned version that missed out on the few more kw @ the crank and the brembo brakes and the fact that ITR fans would be disappointed or something......

[nastyazn694u]

yeah its true, we got a rebadged JDM type S...

[MR_PEA]

just a quick question did the DC2R come with air conditioning as an option? or not availible at all..... its too freekin hot these past few weeks...

btw im looking for a 2001 example.

[teggiboy]

just a quick question did the DC2R come with air conditioning as an option? or not availible at all..... its too freekin hot these past few weeks...

btw im looking for a 2001 example.

yes a/c was a factory option... make sure u buy one with a/c...mine has a/c :D

[nastyazn694u]

no1 gets one without a/c unless they gonna make it a hardcore racer. shouldn't have any problems finding one with a/c

[teggiboy]

in my hunt for a d2cr...i only found 1 out of 4 that DID NOT have a/c....so should be easy to find yo!

[yourfather]

they came stock with A/C after 98.

before that, was optional.

[dc2typ35r]

vtirs have sunroof, type Rs do not have sun roof, first thing i would look for, apart from many other but this is the most obvious.
if u want that sleek look but would prefer the k20a, and u like jdm front on dc2
why not get like a 94+ GSi , do a jap front and k20a transplant????
thats wat i wana do if i can get the money

actually have seen some dc2R's with sunroofs
not sure if they were custom made
but im pretty sure it was factory optioned at one point

[IN73GZ]

actually have seen some dc2R's with sunroofs
not sure if they were custom made
but im pretty sure it was factory optioned at one point

well im not gona say your wrong but ive never heard of a dc2r with a sunroof from the factory, but yeh u can have them put in via a custom job, or they could of been a modded vtir wiv type R badges.

[type one]

Honda offered to put sunroofs in for the R... so technically its not form Japan, but it is offered out of the Aust workshop.

[stephen8512]

the sunroof may have been one of those options, seeing as how a/c was an option....

[VTECACCORD]

B18C equal Jap spec, hard to distinguish between Jap SIR
B18C5 = US spec Type R
B18C7 = AUDM Spec
B18C6 = Euro Spec

No DC2R came with Brembo's
Sunroof was a dealer installed option.
Recaros will not live unscathed, corner bolsters will get some wear, its very hard getting in and out properly.

watch out for abused DC2R's there are lots out there, in my quest for one I found 3 with replacement engines.

[chai]

my itr had sunroof when i bought it. dunno if it was custom made or factory fitted though

[bennyboy]

as others have said no dc2rs come with brembos unless they were fitted later on.

the 98spec jdm dc2r comes with a driver and front passenger airbag, HIDs and 16" rims...

airbags were options for the 96spec but none of the 96specs in sydney have airbags.

for jdm dc2rs, clocks and radio/antenna are options

if you are really interested and serious about buying a jdm 98spec dc2r send me a pm and we can talk more

[teggiboy]

they came stock with A/C after 98.

before that, was optional.

definately not true as Aust dc2r came out in 1999. 95% of them don't have sunroofs. They were shipped to Australia without sunroofs and honda offered the option to put it in afterwards :rolleyes:

[MR_PEA]

can you clearly see the engin number from standing at the frount of the engin bay or do you have to go hunting for it?

[nastyazn694u]

its pretty clear man. right there in front of you

[MR_PEA]

sorry i havent seen the engin bay of a dc2r so i dont know where to look?

[chai]

isnt there a plate near the battery or something? *shrugs*

[MR_PEA]

no the engine number is on the engine itself....

[yourfather]

definately not true as Aust dc2r came out in 1999. 95% of them don't have sunroofs. They were shipped to Australia without sunroofs and honda offered the option to put it in afterwards :rolleyes:

well, new guy,

if you read my post, after 98 = 1999.

And I was talking about air conditioning, not sunroofs. read properly please.

[djvin]

hey guys,

stephen8512, in my opinion, the DC2 ITR has been my best buy for 2005 (albeit, i've had it for 2 mths! :D )

the vtec rush is indescribable, and just the rawness of torque is soo tempting. The B18's can take an absolute hammering, and they still ask for more.

Anything above 4000 rpm is fun, and anything above 7000 is amazing. Slam it into the next gear @ around 8000 and start all over again...

rinse, and repeat... again and again....

Your everyday straights and corners will never be the same!!!

ps: they demolish p-plater lancers.... :D

my 2c

[stephen8512]

hahahahah
djvin, love ur post man!!!!
ive actually been in the DC2R and yeah gotta say.....round abouts and corners are way superior compared to my current euro! i mean....my gawd!!!!! :D
after that ride, thats what made me decide that i wanted an R....
the sexiness and recaros are a bonus for me! lol

[jooboo]

typeR gear knobs get more shinier the more u touch it...around 70 they lose that titatnium look :p n start 2 get more shinier hehehe

[stevent]

well, new guy,

if you read my post, after 98 = 1999.

And I was talking about air conditioning, not sunroofs. read properly please.

you said "a/c came stock after 1998" meaning all australian type rs came with a/c stock, which is incorrect.

[djvin]

typeR gear knobs get more shinier the more u touch it...around 70 they lose that titatnium look :p n start 2 get more shinier hehehe

Yesh, specially if you are engaged or married (those rings *** up the tanium like anything)...

Thats why I told ma bitch I ain't wearing the ring when I'm driving the R... :)

[spetz]

I haven't read all the pages, so someone probably stated this already, but check things like wear marks on the recaro's that may suggest a racing harness was used... which obviously means the car was tracked (read: thrashed) heaps

[nipnip]

I haven't read all the pages, so someone probably stated this already, but check things like wear marks on the recaro's that may suggest a racing harness was used... which obviously means the car was tracked (read: thrashed) heaps

IMO majority of sports cars have been driven hard, not really an issue if its been serviced and taken care of

[xzbit]

Back to you pricing issue, i brought one about 6 months ago with 48k on it for 25k, was pretty well looked after. and it hasnt been tracked once! Albit, it was owned by a grandma!

And as someone else said about the bolsters on the side of the recaro's, its bound to occur! there low as shit and not all places can you full open your door to get out! plus the fact that all of them are 5+ years old!

But, you can pretty much be assurred all R's have been driven hard at some stage, but thats what they were made for! Well thats my 2c's & there still da shit!!

[stephen8512]

hmm thanks everyone for ur input!
really helped me get perspective on a few things i wanted answers for.
:thumbsup:

[nastyazn694u]

gluck finding it when u do ;)

[freakygeek]

never knew jdm dc2r came with fornt brembos.. isnt it only the dc5r that came with brembos

Correct... no DC2R ever came with OEM Brembo's.

[ITRDC2]

sigh,how come my dc2 can only run for around 370km in one full tank?????

[nastyazn694u]

ummm is that from completely full to light on empty? it shouldn't be doing that. shoudl get atleast 420 or so. and use a 98 octane fuel which is best for it.

maybe you should see a mechanic or someone to see if your car isn't running rich(i.e you air/fuel ratio is fudged up).

[ITRDC2]

shit....thank you for reminding me......actually i went to sevice in Honda all the way but never ever anyone tell me any problems about my car....sigh again....anyway i will get my car service next month i think and i will check out what's going on.

[nastyazn694u]

yeah man do that. love ur dc2r properly and it will love u back. go to hanny's if ur from sydney. dun go to honda >.<

[ITRDC2]

i am from Melb actually~~~ok i will find a gd mechanic workshop.thx u r cool man!

[freakygeek]

sigh,how come my dc2 can only run for around 370km in one full tank?????

Nothing is necessarily wrong with that.

I drive my car the way it was intended and get 350km per tank (40L fill) most of the time.

People who are getting 400+ km per tank aren't driving them hard enough, haha ;)

[1900-hustler]

370km / tank is not so bad. thats pretty normal, i get about that and i use 98 octane all the time. it really depends on how u drive the car cos it has the potential to have great fuel economy and is also very very fun to drive. which urges me not to worry about the fuel encon and jus drive it how it is intended.. =)

the most ive got from a tank is 470km and the least ive got is 310. haha .. my car is apporaching 100,000km (prolly by the end of the year) and have to cough up a small fortune for the major service..

so now i get around 380 - 450 / tank

ps mods decrese the amount of mileage u get aswel..

[10KRPM]

i can get around 500km to a tank. Thats a mixture of highway and city driving.

See my car in the for sales section to see the mods it has.