New Euro/M6/liberty/VW Jetty Comparo

[Omotesando]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/boots-and-all/2006/02/09/1139465785069.html


Note that only Auto versions were compared here.


Seems like they think the Euro Auto drinks a fair bit of fuel? But not even mentioning the HID advantage, nor the fact that the Jetta's turbo increases insurance costs.


But generally I agree with most of what they said.

[albii]

pretty good read that one....

[aaronng]

Wow, 2.0L turbo with DSG in a $39990 car. Too bad when you start comparing the manual base models of the Euro, Mazda6 and Jetta, you'll notice that at $32,990, the Jetta comes with only a 110kW 2.0L direct injection engine. :D

[coladuna]

It's a shame that the Jetta doesn't come with leather seats as standard.
I can't believe they marked the Euro down for being thirsty. It's one of the most fuel efficient car I've driven for the power it produces. Maybe the auto version is a lot more thirsty than manual.

Also, what on earth are they talking about? They reckon ESP was a recent addition. Euro always came with VSA as standard.

[aaronng]

from what I've heard, the auto is thirstier. 450kms to the tank in the city. The manual does 550m consistently.

And w.r.t. ESP, LOL!

[integraz]

It's JETTA, not jetty ..LOL
hehehe jetta Fast and Furious style, race it against an s2000 with an sr20det with more than $100,000 put into the car, for pinkslips.

philz

[Pumped]

Good Read :)

[as001]

Interesting read however they failed to mention european cars cost more to service and to insure, not really worth owning a european badged car for the sake of in oz unless your well off imo....

That being said i would own a E39 M5 if i could pony up the 100k for 2nd hand one :D

http://www.drive.com.au/used_cars/bmw/m5/melbourne/detail.aspx?id=2536791&pg=1&pp=2&d=0&nv=1

[invertiga]

I manage to get 650-700 out of every tank in my manual. I live just off a highway so I use it alot where possible.

[Omotesando]

It's JETTA, not jetty ..LOL
hehehe jetta Fast and Furious style, race it against an s2000 with an sr20det with more than $100,000 put into the car, for pinkslips.

philz



LOL! Stuffed up the name did I?.. :rolleyes:

[yfin]

Also, what on earth are they talking about? They reckon ESP was a recent addition. Euro always came with VSA as standard.

i agree the article loses all credibility when they talk about the recent addition of ESP to the Euro.

[Omotesando]

Hey I actually thought the new Euro came with AI intelligence and Extrasensory Perception (ESP) now?

Telepathy throttle and steering - however just no braking when reversing..

[JeffyG]

Just saw the Jetta at the Motorshow... While I wanted to like it, and thought the interior was supurb, the boot is FAR too long and destroys the proportions, and the chrome front is a disgrace!

What a shame!

Euro Sport loooked goos there in Milano Red though!

[ABS121]

Volkswagen Jetta
By Jeremy Clarkson of The Sunday Times

Well done VW, it's the most boring car in history








At my old school, detention usually involved being asked to write a 1,000-word essay about the inside of a ping pong ball. So I'm well qualified to write about the new Volkswagen Jetta. Because I spent every Saturday afternoon for five years writing about the precise chemical breakdown of air, it's a breeze to fill these pages with prose about what is unquestionably the most boring car in the whole of human history.

Even James May, my colleague from Top Gear, agrees. I spoke to him yesterday. "I'm driving the most boring car in the world," I said, and though he's known as Captain Slow and practises the art of what he calls Christian motoring, he said: "Oh, you must have a Jetta then."

I wouldn't mind if it were awful or ugly or spontaneously combusted every time there was a day in the week. That at least would make it characterful and interesting. But it does none of these things. It does nothing.

I can't abide bores. There's a man I meet every week - I shan't say where in case he's reading this - and never, not once, in four years has he been able to make a single story interesting. Even if he'd just been mugged by a gang of Terminators or gang raped by a rampaging swarm of goblins he'd still fail to bring the tale alive. And pretty soon you'd be wishing you were a horse; so you could fall asleep standing up.

Unfortunately, he never has been raped by goblins or beaten up by Terminators. All that happened in his life last week was a new delivery of paperclips. And staggeringly, he believed that this was interesting enough to bring up in conversation. Honestly, after a few minutes I gave serious thought to stabbing him in the heart.


I believe that the greatest gift bestowed on a human being is not beauty, intelligence or wealth. It's the ability to make a story live. To take a tale and know instinctively what to leave in, what to leave out and when to lie a bit. If you do not have this, then you should learn to shut up




I believe that the greatest gift bestowed on a human being is not beauty, intelligence or wealth. It's the ability to make a story live. To take a tale and know instinctively what to leave in, what to leave out and when to lie a bit. If you do not have this, then you should learn to shut up.

Of course it helps if you do actually lead an interesting life. I mean, if Rannulf Ffiennes had been an office boy or an IT consultant he probably wouldn't be much fun down the pub. But when he tells you about sawing off his own fingers using a garden-shed fretsaw - well, it's kind of hard to mess that up.

I have such a pathological loathing of bores that, and I mean this, I'd rather have dinner with Myra Hindley than dinner with a dullard. I'd rather spend time with Richard Brunstrom, the mad mullah of the traffic Taliban who runs the North Wales police, than spend time with someone from the Aston Martin owners' club.

Once, when I was working on a local newspaper, I came home at night and told my girlfriend that we'd had some new office furniture delivered to the office. Moments later, when I realised what I'd said, and how deeply uninteresting this was, I left her, the job and moved to London.

Now I have children and I'm forever to be found in the kitchen telling them that if the story they've embarked on has no point then they shouldn't have begun. Simply reeling off the lessons they've had at school that day is just not good enough, not unless it's an anecdotal device, some kind of calm before the crescendo in double Latin when the teacher exploded.

I can't be bored. I have no ability to deal with it. That's why I can't do church sermons, or Big Brother. It's why I was so irritated by the game of squash in Ian McEwan's Saturday and why I won't go to America any more. Those two-hour queues for immigration are just killers.

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It's also why I'm fidgety and distracted today. Because I came to London yesterday in the Volkswagen Jetta, and tomorrow I must go home in it. Which will be like spending an hour in a coma.

I'd love to meet the man who styled the exterior, to find out if he'd done it as some sort of a joke. But mostly I'd like to meet the man who simply didn't bother at all with the interior. Because looking at that dashboard gives you some idea of what it might be like to be dead.

It's black. And so are the buttons, and so are the dials, and so are the carpets and so are the seats. To give you some idea of how dull and featureless life is in there, put a cardboard box over your head. And leave it there for 10 years.

Then there's the engine. This is the 2 litre direct injection jobbie you find in various other VWs and Audis and it's normally not bad. But like a bloke who could make a UFO encounter seem boring, the Jetta seems to suck all the life out of it.

It's the same story with the ride and handling. It's really not bad at all. But it's hard to spot this when you are stuck in that vegetative no man's land with a face that's so numb you don't even know you're dribbling.

And now we arrive at the boot lid, which is supposed to boing up when you press a button on the key. But it can't be bothered. It springs from the traps, rises about a foot and then just gives up.

There's a similar lack of enthusiasm from the satellite navigation system. Every request is met with a shoulder-sagging teenage harrumph. Perhaps this is because the car's made in Mexico: so it just wants to sit under a tree all day dozing.


Volkswagen itself was plainly bored to tears when trying to think of things to say about the car. So what you get in the press blurb is chapter and verse on the windscreen wipers, which apparently perform a number of tasks. Further investigation reveals these tasks to be 1) sitting still and 2) moving hither and thither clearing raindrops.

What I'm most interested in is why on earth this car was made in the first place, because it's actually a Golf with a boot. Or to put it another way, a Golf that's a bit uglier, a bit heavier, a bit slower, a bit less practical, a bit less economical and a lot more boring to drive. To paraphrase Mark Twain, then, it's a good Golf ruined.

And yet the model I drove cost £18,500. And to that you must add another £1,200 for an automatic gearbox and £1,675 if you want leather upholstery instead of the Pleblon that comes as standard. I'd also go for the £13.99 "life hammer", which is designed to be used to break the windows after an accident. But it could also be used by a passenger to hit you on the head when you start dribbling. Or as a tunnelling tool, like the rock hammer in The Shawshank Redemption.

Because believe me, being trapped inside a Jetta is just like being trapped in a 1930s jail. You really would want to escape, whatever the cost.

Anyway, my point is that the Jetta is a £21,000 car. So why not buy a bigger, better and (marginally) more interesting Passat instead?

Or why not save a few bob and buy a vastly superior Golf GTI? Or why not buy 2.1m penny chews? What really pisses me off about the Jetta is that Volkswagen is a company that makes the Bentley Continental and the Lamborghini Gallardo. It has the flair and the panache to make the Bugatti Veyron, and we know it can make a Golf saloon interesting because they've proved it with various Seats and Skodas.

But what they've come up with here is an automotive Belgium, Tim Henman with wheels. The inside of a ping pong ball. I therefore cannot recommend it to you in any way.

VITAL STATISTICS

Model Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 SE FSI
Engine 1984cc, four cylinders
Power 148bhp @ 6000rpm
Torque 147 lb ft @ 3500rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel 34.4mpg (combined cycle)
CO2 197g/km
Acceleration 0-62mph: 9.2sec
Top speed 131mph
Price £16,625
Rating 1/5
Verdict So boring you want to die

[Omotesando]

ROFL!

I have read about that before previously, and it does make a lot of sense. The design of the Jetta is boring true.


However the car being described here and the Jetta with a nice little turbo in it is a totally different beast. Not as nimber as the 'vastly superior' Golf GTI but at least heading towards there!


Having said that, I'll buy prefer an Audi A3 with a 1.8T :D

[jackosimm]

Why not buy a Polo GTI if you want the 1.8L T ;) save on some $$$

Drive the Jetta Turbo and tell me its a boring car! You can't tell the difference between it and a GTI when your going! :)

[albii]

i gotta say that even though it doesnt compare to the euro in the looks department,the jetta sure is great buying ....it's gonna give the euro a run for sure.

[tdarian]

Hi all. Browsing the forum and came across this thread.

We have been considering for weeks between the Jetta Turbo (and even the Jetta TDI) and the Euro Lux. Let me tell you it was a VERY difficult decision.

The Jetta Turbo's engine is absolutely superb. It shares the same engine as the Golf GTI so this is not unexpected. The responsiveness, sheer acceleration, refinement, everything about it was better than the Euro's.

Post-haggling, the prices were very close - both around the $42500 mark for auto (the Jetta only comes with DSG gearbox which is both auto/manual.

In addition, the Jetta is all-new while the Euro has been out for 3 years. It also has better fuel consumption (8L/100km compared to Euro's 9.1).

Why did I end up going with the Euro Lux? After weeks of test driving, weighing up both cars, it was a bloody difficult decision. But in the end, I went with the Euro becuase:

1. Its a known quantity - widely regarded as (one of, if not) the best mid sized cars around.

2. The equipment level - the Euro has leather, sunroof, HID headlights as standard, the Jetta did not. To spec the Jetta up to include these items would push the price to about $48k!

3. The interior - the Jetta's interior is very disappointing for a $40K+ car. The dash is cheap - the dials looks and feels like loose bottle caps and there is cheap black plastic all over the centre console.

The only things the Jetta had going for it were a better engine and fresher look. The Euro Lux had more than $6k more equipment (!) and a much MUCH classier interior. Value for money (and common sense) won out in the end so now I am a proud owner of an 06 Graphite Euro Lux.

[Suntzu]

Im up to turn my 05 Euro over next year. I am starting to look.

Tdarian, im interested in what you had to say. I'm considering the Jetta also.

So there was a lot of difference in power? I have a 6sp manual at the moment but would consider the 6sp dsg. Also the styling of the jetta has put me off.

I have to say that even though I love my Euro a lot. With a bunch of new cars comming next year, the Euro's getting a bit dated. Im looking at the 200kw + AURION at the moment as a potential replacement. We'll see what happens.

If they could sqeeze 10 more KW and 30 more NM out of the Euro I would not hesitate to re - lease a new Euro in 2007. It would be a near perfect car then. :D

cheers

[pepelepew]

Old thread but I'll throw my take on it as an unbiased reader (I dont own a Honda at this time).

1) I've seen the Jetta interior and it lacks the quality finish of the Honda. The Euro has a sweet interior and is one of its highlights, and one of the reasons I have it on my list
2) I'd like to see the real world average consumption of the Jetta, I dont think 8l/100 reflects it AT ALL. To criticize the consumption of any of the others without mentioning this reeks of desire to see a particular result
3) Price advantage whatever way you look at it goes to the Euro for par on par equipment levels. Give the Euro a turbo option for the price difference and it'd be a killer package
4) As said above somewhere, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of a repair bill

Its easy to be sucked in by the new kid on the block and the in mind bias towards a European car...but I dont think this VW deserves being clouded in that aura.

Oh did anyone say dealer delivery fee of 2.5K? Hmmmmm

[blueeuro]

I also looked at the Jetta and was dissappointed with the interior. One issue for me was that I was wearing Polarised sunglasses and this meant the stereo screen was effectively blank and couldn't be read unless I removed my glasses. I do not have this issue in my Euro.

It was still an very nice car, but a car must tick all the boxes for me to order it. The Jetta would have been more expensice by the time I added leather and sunroof, which somes std in Lux.

Overall the interior of the Jetta looked and felt cheaper than the Honda. Therefore I went an ordered a new Lux 06.